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Steve Israel
Rep. Steve Israel, not a Ryan supporter.
Republicans have tried to co-opt some of the creators of the idea of "premium supports" in Medicare to say that their plan really isn't so radical, that it's a bipartisan idea. That effort is falling flat, as the former Clinton administration officials who've developed the idea have said they find little resemblance between it and what Rep. Paul Ryan cooked up.

The fallback for Republicans is to try a bit of a head-fake—"Look, they did it, too." (Always a strong way to defend your ideas.) In this case, it's the vote of Democrat Rep. Steve Israel for the House version of the prescription drug plan back in 2003.

The committee’s majority staff said Israel “cast the deciding vote that would have enacted a new premium support program in Medicare. That premium support model, contained in the House-passed Medicare prescription drug benefit legislation, is similar to the one contained in the House Republican budget, which Israel is now lambasting.”
Israel’s office called the charge “laughably disingenuous.”

“Rep. Israel voted to expand Medicare to offer prescription drug benefits, and that is the exact opposite of the last two Republican budgets that end the Medicare guarantee,” his spokeswoman Samantha Slater told TPM. “It’s apples and oranges, and desperate at that.”

The House bill had some broader Medicare reforms that did not survive the legislative process, that provided some antecedent to the current voucher idea for Medicare. When Israel cast that vote, he specifically said he was voting for it so it could be made better.
“Is this plan flawed? I believe it is,” Israel said before voting for the House bill. “I believe the Senate plan, supported by [former Sen.] Ted Kennedy [(D-Mass.)], is much better. But we can’t get near that plan unless we go to a House-Senate conference. And we can’t go to a House-Senate conference unless we pass this bill today.”
It's quite a stretch to call the prescription drug plan (flawed as it was) the same (or just as bad, as Republicans seem to be arguing) as the current Republican plan. That's just not going to fly. Try as they might, they're not going to find cover from Democrats for adopting Ryan's social Darwinism as their marvelous vision for America.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 10:24 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (14+ / 0-)

    "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

    by Joan McCarter on Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 10:24:25 AM PDT

  •  Do you have a link? (0+ / 0-)

    To the information about "former Clinton Administration officials" who are supporting the GOP on this plan?

    I'm seeing lots of talk, but no names, no proof.  If you have none, please stop saying it.  Attacking Clinton for problems that originate with the GOP is just so...lame and ineffective.

    Thanks.

    In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

    by Betty Pinson on Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 11:04:20 AM PDT

    •  I think Joan is talking about Alice Rivlin (0+ / 0-)

      Former Clinton OMB director. She worked with Paul Ryan on a Medicare reform plan, but doesnt support the Ryan budget.

      •  So if she doesn't support it (0+ / 0-)

        Why do we keep trashing Clinton's name by falsely
         linking him to it?  

        The Dem primaries were over in 2008, its time to move on.  

        Unless someone has some data proving that bashing a popular Dem ex-president picks up votes for Obama,  perhaps y'all should stop shooting yourselves in the foot.

        In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 11:24:00 AM PDT

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        •  Perhaps you should stop being so over sensitive (2+ / 0-)
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          That effort is falling flat, as the former Clinton administration officials who've developed the idea have said they find little resemblance between it and what Rep. Paul Ryan cooked up.
          How is this bashing Clinton or Clinton admin officials? It's the exact opposite, saying that even Clinton officials who worked with Ryan dont support this plan.

          The reality is Rivlin worked with Ryan on a Medicare reform plan, and the GOP, as Joan noted in the first sentence, is using that to say the Ryan budget has bipartisan support. Which it doesnt.

          •  If you want to win in November (0+ / 0-)

            You have to stop shooting yourself in the foot.

            I realize Obama and his supporters are conservatives who have more in common with Republicans than Democrats, but they need to put that aside if they want to win.

            In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

            by Betty Pinson on Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 11:46:53 AM PDT

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            •  Yes, Obama is a conservative (3+ / 0-)
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              xenothaulus, eps62, sebastianguy99

              I mean, he did sign into law DADT, DOMA, welfare reform, a repeal of Glass Steagall and a cut in capital gains taxes.

              Joan didnt criticize Clinton. But people are allowed to do that.  

              •  Yes, he is a corporate conservative (0+ / 0-)

                But he's still accountable to Democrats and voters.  

                In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

                by Betty Pinson on Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 11:55:41 AM PDT

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                •  Then most of the voters are conservative then (0+ / 0-)

                  If we now identify a "conservative" as someone like President Obama, then we only marginalize ourselves. I think it best to just identify being being from the Far Left rather than to  generalize in a way that undermines any credibility you have with those who aren't as far left as you.

                  In any instance, silly labels such as "corporate conservatives" can easily apply to any one who isn't off the grid. Alienating the vast majority of those who bother to vote is more a strategy to enhance one's victimhood and less a way to build an enduring coalition.

                  "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

                  by sebastianguy99 on Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 08:47:15 PM PDT

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  •  Rivlin and many other Dems favor cuts (0+ / 0-)

    to Medicare and Social Security, because their fat asses don't need it. Clinton tried it, but a messed dress stopped his march to "austerity."

    Richard Haas just wrote a piece about the dreaded, help the average Joe, "entitlements" which will be attacked in a bipartisan manner after the November elections. If it's good for the CFR, it's got to be great for the gravediggers and janitors of America. Three cheers for Henry Kissinger and the mighty council.

    The Fall "grand bargain" will be the start of killing off many of the poor and elderly, raising the work week to China's 60 hours, and lowering the hourly wage to something between the slave labor rate of Vietnam and the serfdom salary ($0) in Rwanda.

    •  Obama and his Cat Food Commission (1+ / 0-)
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      and his fellow corporate Dem crowd are the only ones who want to cut Social Security and Medicare.

      Former presidents are no threat to you. The only one you need to worry about is the one in the White House.  Get him on record in really clear language opposing cuts to SS and Medicare.  

      In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

      by Betty Pinson on Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 11:51:32 AM PDT

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  •  It's OK — Politi"Fact" is giving them cover (0+ / 0-)

    claiming Democrats are lying about Republicans wanting to end Medicare, because they want to substitute something else but still CALL it Medicare. Which to me is the same thing as ending Medicare.

    Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

    by anastasia p on Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 11:46:56 AM PDT

    •  Giving who cover? (0+ / 0-)

      All Republicans are on record wanting to end Social Security and Medicare.

      There are a few WH Dems, the POTUS included, who have made similar proposals, e.g. raising eligibility ages, cheating on COLA's etc.

      The best thing we can do is get our own party leaders on record against any cuts, any changes.  So far, the WH hasn't done so.

      In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

      by Betty Pinson on Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 11:54:09 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

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