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Ozzie Guillen, the manager of the Miami Marlins, was suspended for five games without pay for having the audacity to tell a Time Magazine reporter that he admired and respected Fidel Castro.  This is not a popular sentiment in this country and was guaranteed to offend many Cuban-Americans who live in Miami.  Guillen, an American citizen, originally from Venezuela, has since apologized profusely and attempted to clarify his remarks.

Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig felt compelled to add his two cents, expressing support for the suspension and asserting that "Guillen's remarks, which were offensive to an important part of the Miami community and others throughout the world, have no place in our game."

This is not a First Amendment issue.  The First Amendment prohibits the government -- not businesses -- from interfering with free speech.  Nevertheless, it does seem rather remarkable that Guillen is being punished for merely expressing an unpopular opinion.  (Guillen didn't say anything about supporting Castro's policies but only that he respected him because "a lot of people have wanted to kill Fidel Castro for the last 60 years, but that son of a b—— is still here.”)

Such treatment is particularly ironic, as Matthew Rothschild points out, given "that critics of Castro stress Fidel’s own intolerance of dissent."  And even more ironic given that Commissioner Bud Selig, along with Orioles owner Peter Angelos, went to a game with Castro, when the Orioles played in Cuba in 1999.  

It remains to be seen whether the five-day suspension will be enough to assuage the Marlin fans, many of whom are calling for Guillen's resignation.  The New York Times aptly concludes in its editorial that "the Marlins may legally, be within their legal rights, but they should have thought harder before succumbing to the cries of a mob and punishing a political statement for business reasons."

Amazingly, as Rothschild states, more than five decades since Castro took power, "red-baiting is still a dangerous sport in America."  Or at least in South Florida.

Originally posted to Lovechilde on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 11:47 PM PDT.

Also republished by LatinoKos and The Wide World of Sports.

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  •  Worse than you think, (6+ / 0-)

    Praising Castro in Miami is sort if like praising the Grand Wizard in Atlanta.

  •  and the lessons are: (15+ / 0-)

    1)  The anti-Castro crowd in Florida are just plain cranks.  As in, nuts that not even squirrels would bother with.  Fifty-some years after Cuba goes communist and they're still as revved up as the day they got on the boat and came over here.  If they haven't had more satisfying lives here than the lives they ran away from there, it proves that the source of their problem isn't Castro, it's themselves.  Let 'em stew in their own juices.

    2)  In theory an employer can fire you for any act of speech whatsoever, even something as mild as a major party candidate's bumper sticker on your car, and sometimes they do.  That ought to be illegal, period.  Employers have legitimate reasons to prohibit political and other potentially divisive speech in the workplace but they don't own their employees, and if they think they do, they deserve an extra-special lesson in American history & civics, delivered on weekends, by order of a judge.  

    3)  Caving in to hooting mobs of nuts is f---ing stoopid.  People who do it are spineless cowards who deserve to die ignominious deaths of omniphobia (fear of everything) or bovine spongiform encephalopathy (mad cow) and have the words "here lies a terminal scaredy-cat" on their gravestones.  

    4)  Never ever ever apologize for stating an honest political opinion.  If you do, it's gonna' take a long time to get every last trace of the shit off your nose from kissing ass.  

    5)  "Love of money is the root of all evil."  Famous saying attributed to an early progressive by the name of Paul who used to hang out with a radical Rabbi named Jesus.  What part of "all evil" don't people understand?  

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 12:05:23 AM PDT

    •  But for celebrities who are famous only for their (2+ / 0-)
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      employment situation, and who would not have such a high level of media attention if not for their employment, are (I believe fairly) subject to some reasonable constraints on speech that would get media attention chiefly as a result of that employment situation.  Would Guillen have been covered by Time Magazine if not for his role with the Marlins?  I doubt it.  His speech, in this case, was connected to his "workplace," regardless of the physical location of the interview.

      Otherwise, I agree with you about #2.

      A Wall Street "bonus" should not be more than what my house is worth.

      by bushondrugs on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35:15 AM PDT

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      •  no, that's just a variation on the "public persons (5+ / 0-)

        ... have no right to privacy" arguement.

        Almost all celebrities are famous due to their employment situation, whether it be in sports, film, television, music, or whatever.  

        And in this day & age where the "fifteen minutes of fame" traditionally accorded to Everyman and Everywoman have been replaced by "a lifetime of exposure" via "social" media and suchlike, it becomes arguable that everyone, from the sports figure to the guy at the counter in the sporting goods store, is "connected to his/her workplace."  

        The moment a person puts their name and picture on the internet, they become not only recognizable but searchable, and not just by their name but also by their face (thank Mark F---ing Zuckerberg for that).  

        So, does this give employers a claim that their employees are "ambassadors for the company" at all times?   Some, given half a chance, might try that.  

        As a principled matter, the idea that "freedom of speech outside the workplace is a right of employers but not employees" is as detestable as the idea that the "freedom of religion" of an employer trumps that of employees when it comes to medical care.  

        There is both a liberty principle and an equality principle at stake here.  What's good for the big, is also good for the small, otherwise it does not stand.

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 03:31:32 AM PDT

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    •  the ex pat community has made a cottage (9+ / 0-)

      industry of resisting Castro.  Though they have not taken a step towards Cuba since the Bay of Pigs, the Old Guard of this group remains dangerous.  Through the years they have murdered a diplomat and brought down an airliner, not including numerous provocations designed to inflame US opinion against Cuba.
      The CIA has bankrolled these guys and more recently it has come out for many of these professional counter revolutionaries the free cash was used to support their lavish lifestyles and not for counter revolution.

      Face it, hate Castro or not, the man led a tiny nation against the world's greatest super power on that power's doorstep and survived for 50 years or more.  We have made peace with the former USSR and China and even VN but Cuba remains the one country we have never been able to forgive

      •  That whole situation is just pathetic. (7+ / 0-)

        First of all Cuba is not ours to "forgive."

        Second, the root of our national snit over Cuba is when Castro expropriated certain items such as casinos and such that were owned by the Mafia.  Really now!

        Third, the way he did it was to offer to buy them out for the value of their properties as declare on Cuban tax documents.  This was a frankly brilliant rhetorical trick to demonstrate that the properties had been deliberately undervalued for purposes of tax evasion in the pre-Castro era, no doubt backed by all manner of petty palm-greasing corruption.

        Fourth, it's arguable that part of the reason for the travel ban was to prevent Americans becoming too familiar with (and therefor not terrified by) what communism looks like on the ground.  And the only reason for that would be that perhaps communism isn't quite as horrible as it's been made out to be, perhaps most Cubans are reasonably satisfied with their lives, and perhaps the entire facade of anti-communist paranoia and the rightwing shit-stirrers it supports, would be in danger of collapsing as a result.  

        So here's to hoping that Obama in his second term, finds any excuse needed to just get it over with and a) open diplomatic relations and b) dump the embargo in the proverbial dustbin of history.  

        As for the "professional anti-Castro revolutionaries" in Florida and their taxpayer-funded lavish lifestyles, they deserve nothing less than public disgrace and ridicule for having lived with their snouts planted socialistically in the public trough.  

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 03:44:26 AM PDT

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        •  agreed; Baptista was in the bag for the Mafia (4+ / 0-)

          Castro's success was unprecedented and made the US all the more determined to make sure the same thing did not happen on any more of our doorsteps.  Hence the brutal repressions throughout the region when Senator Helms decided to enforce a more muscular Monroe Doctrine where not only did foreign nations have no right to meddle in American affairs, the indigenous inhabitants of the region also had no right to self determination

    •  Just one nit-picking thing: (2+ / 0-)
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      Paul did not hang out with Jesus, nor was he a progressive. Let the women keep silent in church and if they want to learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home is just one of Paul's teachings that indicate he was certainly not progressive. There are many other examples in his writing.

      Paul never knew the man Jesus and changed the emphasis of Jesus' teaching from how one treats one's fellow man to teaching that faith is enough for salvation. IMO, the Christian church would have been a different and much better institution if the powers that be had not included Paul's letters and teachings in the canon.

      You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

      by sewaneepat on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 04:55:50 AM PDT

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      •  oopsie. (2+ / 0-)
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        That's what I get for being unchurched (blush).

        Paul was clearly on record as being reactionary about all things gender and sex related.  But I suppose that means that when the rightie-nuts quote him approvingly, we can throw that other quote back in their faces and ask "what part of all evil don't you understand?"

        Interesting that Paul appears to be the root of the division between "salvation by works/deeds," which ultimately became identified with Catholicism, and "salvation by faith (alone)," which ultimately became identified with Protestantism.

        Looks like I have some reading assignments to catch up with.  Thanks for the critical input, it's always useful when someone brings up facts that contradict one's preferred interpretations.

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 05:47:19 AM PDT

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    •  He called Castro "great". (1+ / 0-)
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      That is offensive to a lot more people than just the cranks. He's also, in the past, gone out of his way to publicly demean gay people. The guy has a real problem. How stupid can one be to say that Castro is great to an interviewer, especially someone just given a prominent job in Miami?

      •  maybe he thought (2+ / 0-)
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        his job was to manage a baseball team...

        "By your late thirties the ground has begun to grow hard. It grows harder and harder until the day that it admits you.” Thomas McGuane, Nobody's Angel

        by Keith930 on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 05:34:38 AM PDT

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      •  though, I'd rather deal with honest cranks... (2+ / 0-)
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        ... than with slippery smooth mealy-mouthed slimeballs who sugar coat their words, check everything with their PR consultant first, and then stick it to the public when nobody is looking.  

        People are welcome to boycott the team if they don't like what he said, whether it's the anti-gay stuff or the Castro remark.  If a company takes an actual hit due to the boycott, that could be legitimate reason for a board or senior management to replace senior or subordinate management respectively.  But all this pre-emptive groveling at the feet of an organized crank lobby is bullshit.

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 05:51:30 AM PDT

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    •  In this case, though... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...the statements Guillen made were going to have a direct effect on the business's bottom line.

      If I were running the Marlins, I'd suspend Guillen too. No baseball team is going to succeed in Miami if the ex-pat community is against them.

      If your suggestion were enacted, and businesses weren't able to discipline or fire people who make political statements in public that lead to potential boycotts from a core customer base, as Guillen did, then it would just mean that those with controversial political opinions would never be hired in the first place. I'm not sure that would be an improvement.

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

      by JamesGG on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 06:29:14 AM PDT

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    •  Some of them have (0+ / 0-)

      just gotten off the boat and come here. It's not as if they are all old Batistaists pining for 1952.

    •  Agree. (0+ / 0-)

      And the fact that Cubans have made major gains (health care, education, arts, science, environmental protection, women's rights, racial equality, employment) in the past half century? That maybe the loons in Miami don't represent all of Cuba or even all Cuban-Americans?

      Tough. Guillen still had to in his words "go on his knees" and beg forgiveness for appreciating that Castro has not been assassinated or overthrown by the US.

  •  The US policy towards Cuba... (14+ / 0-)

    ...has been illogical and counter-productive for a long time and is so because it is held hostage by a small minority in a very important electoral state.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 12:13:32 AM PDT

  •  Ozzie strikes again! (0+ / 0-)

    Being a Cubs fan, I absolutely loathed Guillen during his tenure as manager of the White Sox. It's not surprising at all that he would go to Miami and make comments that are perceived as supportive of Fidel Castro. Guillen is a blowhard who seems to enjoy starting trouble.

    I've made controversial comments on DKos in the past, and some members of this site will never forgive me. It is within Guillen's First Amendment right to speak his mind, but anything he says can be used against him in the kangaroo court of public opinion. Every other person in the United States has the same First Amendment right Guillen has. Just because you're exercising your First Amendment right doesn't mean that everyone is required to support every single thing you say.

    •  no but it means there is a third generation of (0+ / 0-)

      free speech where people are allowed to disagree with his critics. Beyond that is a fourth and fifth generation and so on

    •  So many here think it unfair that (1+ / 0-)
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      Guillen is in such trouble simply for "expressing an opinion". But how do people feel about the time in 2006 when Guillen publicly referred to a sports reporter as a "faggot", and then refused to apologize to the reporter (while officially apologizing to the fans for his "inappropriate language").

      The guy is a douche, plain and simple.

  •  Where's the inevitable comparison to Limbaugh? (2+ / 0-)
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    Ignoring the fact that Ozzie didn't disrespect or denigrate anyone except in their own minds. I find this to be another disgusting incident of mob rule.

    We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance.

    by PowWowPollock on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 01:57:40 AM PDT

    •  You just don't like this particular mob. (3+ / 0-)
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      If he said that gays are going to hell and was subsequently suspended in the ensuing outrage, I doubt you'd be bitching about mob rule.  It's not mob rule you object to; it's that you don't agree w/ this particular mob.

      •  Heh. (1+ / 0-)
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        I say that because Guillen actually did get in trouble 5 years ago with the gay community for calling a reporter a faggot. I think that you're right, that Guillen's pro-Castro (and pro-Chavez) comments don't piss people off much here, but if it were something else he said, something more offensive to progressives, the opinion here would be somewhere between firing him and lynching him.

        •  Ironically, the gay community's far more... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...forgiving than the CANF crowd.

          At a minimum, they want him off the Marlins.  They'd prefer him dead, but they'll probably settle for his leaving the Marlins.

          I was dismayed, but not surprised, to hear ESPN announcers talking last night about how it was now going to be a deadly dangerous thing -- quite literally -- to attend a Marlins home game unless and until Ozzie left for good.  

          Visit http://theuptake.org/ for Minnesota news as it happens.

          by Phoenix Woman on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 06:36:57 AM PDT

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      •  yep (0+ / 0-)

        Wonder if anyone here would have defended Marge Schott back in the day for speaking admiringly of Hitler.

  •  In Little Saigon, Be It OC or SJ (1+ / 0-)
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    ...any reference to Saigon as HCM City in some places will guarantee your tires will be slashed.

    Most older Cuban-Americans and VN-Americans vote straight ticket GOP, for the same reason (they blamed Kennedy), and generally are no less nutty than their Caucasian blue haired Fox-news watching contemporaries.

    •  A-yep. (0+ / 0-)

      Even though in many cases (such as in Minnesota) it was Democratic politicians that helped the Vietnamese and Hmong refugees.

      Don't get me started on the subject of Vang Pao.

      Visit http://theuptake.org/ for Minnesota news as it happens.

      by Phoenix Woman on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 06:40:12 AM PDT

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  •  I have always admired Fidel Castro. (3+ / 0-)
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    He expelled a corrupt Mafia/USA government from his homeland, brought some measure of equity to a class of Cubans who were essentially slaves in their own country and exposed the CIA as being inept bunglers. Had it not been for the embargo and nasty tricks his communist experiment might have actually worked. I lived in Miami for a dozen years. The "exile" community (although as they fled of their own volition they technically aren't "exiles") were almost ridiculous in their hatred. He was an impassioned and committed leader of his island nation for almost half a century.

    •  I lived in Cuba for 4 years (3+ / 0-)

      and I can assure that the embargo, wrong and ineffectual as it is, has nothing to do with the failures of the Castro regime.  And please show me where the "measure of equity" is.  

      •  Health care and literacy are two measures of (2+ / 0-)
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        equity that have certainly improved under Castro.

        You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

        by sewaneepat on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 04:41:26 AM PDT

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        •  This used to be important but now it's not. (1+ / 0-)
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          Health care and literacy have skyrocketed in every Latin American and Caribbean country in the last 53 years save for Haiti.  Castro achieved immediate results such that you could look at Cuba c. 1965 and it had more to show than other countries in the region vs. 1959, but there has been very little progress since then while most other countries (despite the collapse and neoliberal reconstruction of the 1980s) have progressed a lot.  

          But nobody's buying flowers from the flower lady.

          by Rich in PA on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 06:18:26 AM PDT

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          •  Health care and literacy are always important IMO (1+ / 0-)
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            and while other Latin American countries have also improved in these areas, Cuba still seems to lead. I compared statistics for Guatemala, Honduras, Surinam, and Brazil to Cuba and found that all had a lower life expectancy. Maybe there are countries in Latin America with higher life expectancy, but I don't have time to look at all of them.  And it is harder to do better than a 100% literacy rate.

            It seems to be Cuba has done pretty well for the resources it has, in view of the fact that its largest, richest neighbor will not  trade with it or allow its citizens to visit with their tourist dollars.

            I do not condone the human rights abuses of the Castro government; however, I am old enough to remember the revolution and Batista was no better in that regard and much worse than Castro in many other regards. If I had to choose to live under Castro or Batista, I would choose Castro and I bet you would also.

            You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

            by sewaneepat on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 07:02:03 AM PDT

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      •  I think that some people here (1+ / 0-)
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        are very ignorant of Castro's horrific policies. As progressives, I am 100% sure that every person here would be aghast at what Fidel Castro has done, if they only knew the facts. But one can't force others to be educated on a topic. While it is true that the anti-Castro zealots are extreme when it comes to US-Cuba policy, those here who think Castro is anything other than a repressive dictator are just as wrong.

        •  Well, that's how it goes with some progressives (1+ / 0-)
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          If you hate imperialism enough, you get rose-colored glasses about anyone who stands up to imperialism.  We saw it with people a lot worse than Castro (worse in that they lacked any agenda beyond their own power, e.g. Saddam Hussein) so it's hardly surprising that there's a reservoir of goodwill for Castro.

          But nobody's buying flowers from the flower lady.

          by Rich in PA on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 06:16:08 AM PDT

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        •  Castro's never bombed anyone (1+ / 0-)
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          Nor has he blown up airplanes.

          The CANF crowd -- made up at its core of the brothel owners and mobsters (and their descendants) who he kicked out of Cuba (and who then proceeded to turn Miami into the most corrupt city in America) -- has done both.   See also: Orlando Bosch, Luis Posada Carriles.  For starters.

          Castro has tried to infiltrate the CANF, but that's been the extent of his own known actions against them; if he'd done more, it would have been heavily broadcast by the US media.

          Visit http://theuptake.org/ for Minnesota news as it happens.

          by Phoenix Woman on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 06:20:00 AM PDT

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          •  No but (1+ / 0-)
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            He's executed many people and held many more prisoner due to their religious or political beliefs.

            •  America has installed and supported a bunch... (0+ / 0-)

              ...of brutal dictators over the period where Castro controlled Cuba. From Haiti to Chile to Iraq and all over the globe. And at this point can we really say what was factually reported and what was part of the propaganda campaign? We've all witnessed how our "enemies" are systematically demonized (Iraqi soldiers yanking infants from incubators, anyone?). And frankly, since I consider most drug offenders to essentially be political prisoners, proportionally America has a worse track record in that regard. Castro wasn't in it for the money, he wasn't in it to benefit an elite class. Some things went sour, sure, but I've seen the faces on the flag-waving crowds at his speeches...a lot of those folks believe in him.

              •  A lot of them do believe in him (0+ / 0-)

                And some of it is genuine. Some, not so much. There was never much choice. There's no need to "demonize" someone like Castro has in fact committed a myriad of human rights abuses, including murder. That's not just "going sour."

                •  Hmmm...Was Fidel Castro responsible... (0+ / 0-)

                  ...for funding and enabling Death Squads throughout South and Central America? Did Fidel Castro order the deaths of civilians in Iraq, Pakistan or Afghanistan? Did he play a role in Abu Ghraib, Bagram or the myriad clandestine torture sites scattered around the world? Has Cuba armed Third World nations with sophisticated weaponry? Was Mubarak, who received billions of dollars and political coverage from the U.S., any "nicer" than Fidel? I'm not excusing any human rights excesses that may have occurred, I just don't think that he's as villainous as we've been conditioned to believe in relation to other regimes that America has protected.  

                  •  Who's claiming (0+ / 0-)

                    Any of this:

                    for funding and enabling Death Squads throughout South and Central America? Did Fidel Castro order the deaths of civilians in Iraq, Pakistan or Afghanistan? Did he play a role in Abu Ghraib, Bagram or the myriad
                    Misdeeds by the U.S. or anyone else don't  make Castro's horrific record on human rights any better.  
                    •  But it certainly acts as a qualifier... (0+ / 0-)

                      ...as to the accusations/assumptions. So, American murder and torture and undermining of democratically elected foreign governments are simply "misdeeds" but Castro's acts represent a "horrific record on human rights"? I'm sure that many Cubans suffered under Fidel's regime but at least he strove to provide both quality education and health care to all of his citizens. None of the US-backed evil dictators ever did anything similar.

  •  Business is business... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...and you don't make a business work in Miami if the Cuban ex-pat community is pissed off at you. And they will be unbelievably pissed if you say nice things about Castro. That's showbiz.

    And Bud wants to make nice with the Cubans for when Castro kicks the bucket and the embargo lifts, so he can get more ballplayers from there... or maybe even put a franchise in Havana.

    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

    by JamesGG on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 05:14:44 AM PDT

    •  true... nobody in "Business" speaks publicly (1+ / 0-)
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      about issues that are sure to offend someone.  They write a check out to a politician, and let him/her say it for them.

      "By your late thirties the ground has begun to grow hard. It grows harder and harder until the day that it admits you.” Thomas McGuane, Nobody's Angel

      by Keith930 on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 05:40:26 AM PDT

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      •  Not just "someone"... (0+ / 0-)

        ...but one of their core constituencies, whose support they need to make money.

        "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

        by JamesGG on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 06:25:56 AM PDT

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  •  I have been wondering how he got on that topic (2+ / 0-)
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    with a reporter.

    I don't follow baseball so I was watching the headlines (with the TV on mute) adn I still don't get all the excitement but it seems what he said has been wrongly  taken 'out of orbit' by a minority of Cuban exile's.

    Maybe sports reporters should just ask sports questions........

    •  He's mentioned Castro's toughness before (1+ / 0-)
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      And really, that's all he was doing here.  He was making a pretty straightforward statement of fact -- namely, that for someone with such powerful enemies to have survived for over fifty years despite them would indicate that he was a pretty tough person to kill.

      But you can't say those things when the stadium where your team plays is located in Ground Zero of the Cuban exile community.  Not without paying a price -- and ESPN analysts last night were stating that it was now actually unsafe, perhaps deadly dangerous, for people to attend Marlins home game.  This will probably remain the case until Ozzie resigns or is let go.

      In fact, if Ozzie is to have a future in baseball as a manager, he's going to have to go to an American League team and hope that he never faces the Marlins in either interleague play or the World Series.

      Visit http://theuptake.org/ for Minnesota news as it happens.

      by Phoenix Woman on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 06:27:18 AM PDT

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  •  This just Guillen's lack of self-discipline (1+ / 0-)
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    It's obvious why he admires Castro: both Guillen and Castro have done whatever they've wanted to do and a lot of people have wanted them gone, but they keep on going.  Guillen was just foolish for saying that in the one part of the country where a lot of people have very strong negative feelings about Castro.  A short suspension seems just about right to me.  It's a tough issue in part because you bring in someone like Guillen so he can be out there and entertaining, but you don't want him to cause huge problems.  

    But nobody's buying flowers from the flower lady.

    by Rich in PA on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 06:13:56 AM PDT

  •  Castro was a decent pitcher (0+ / 0-)

    and currently is a thoughtful pundit published in the U.S. His important speeches, sometimes covered by CNN, were more exciting, although longer, than a Marlins game. If he were given his own TV show in the U.S. it would be an oasis in the vast bourgeois wasteland.

  •  This is not (2+ / 0-)
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    the first time Guillen has opined on Castro. In a 2008 interview:

    Who’s the toughest man you know?

    Fidel Castro. He’s a bullshit dictator and every-body’s against him, and he still survives, has power. Still has a country behind him. Everywhere he goes they roll out the red carpet.
    I don’t admire his philosophy. I admire him.

    He has some other interesting things to say too.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 07:47:27 AM PDT

  •  I agree this is not a speech issue (0+ / 0-)

    But 5 games?

    Here is what Golf Analyst David Feherty said in 09:

       From my own experience visiting the troops in the Middle East, I can tell you this, though: despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Osama bin Laden, there's a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."[6]
    He suffered no consequences for these hideous remarks about the sitting Speaker of the House and Majority Leader HERE IN THE US!!!!  

    The Marlins can do what they want, but I thought it was extreme.

    Call your representative and senators and the white house (lack of capitalization intended) to STOP this crazy warmongering with Iran, please.

    by Indiana Bob on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 10:43:39 AM PDT

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