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James O'Keefe is bound and determined to prove that voter fraud exists, so he keeps sending his minions out to attempt to commit it. He put a video out last week showing some guy going to a polling location for D.C.'s primary, and asking if Eric Holder was on the rolls. Watch:

See how clever? A white guy. Eric Holder. Of course, the guy didn't actually take the ballot and try to vote with it, as Kevin Drum, and a Breitbart guy, explain:
You see, O'Keefe's stunt double didn't actually vote. Ben Shapiro, editor-at-large of Breitbart.com, explains why: "Obviously this wasn’t an actual case of voter fraud—O’Keefe and Project Veritas didn’t want to break the law."
They didn't want to break the law (this time). Yes, it's illegal, which is why it doesn't happen on a regular basis in an organized, conspiratorial kind of way that's substantial enough to actually affect an election's outcome. It's a felony, which is ample deterrent, and which is why O'Keefe's stuntmen have stopped at the line of actually committing fraud. As a Department of Justice official commented, "It’s no coincidence that these so-called examples of rampant voter fraud consistently turn out to be manufactured ones."

Voter fraud is theoretically possible, that much O'Keefe can show, when someone pulls stunts like this. But no evaluation, anywhere, even by people determined to find that it actually happens (like the Bush Justice Department's five-year investigation) has found proof that it happens.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 07:52 AM PDT.

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  •  James O'Keefe is this guy: (5+ / 0-)

    His protestations betray his intelligence.

    Lo que separa la civilizacion de la anarquia son solo siete comidas.

    by psilocynic on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 08:00:31 AM PDT

  •  Visions of all those headless corpses in the AZ (6+ / 0-)

    desert headed for the polls.......Golly O'Keefe, you are SO much more clever than anyone else to come up with credit card fraud...er uh....voting fraud all by yourself.......Run with it Sean.

  •  problem with voter fraud these days is that it is (16+ / 0-)

    so much easier to monkey the machines instead of doing it one vote at a time.  Fraud these days has to deliver thousands of votes and this silly stunt merely shows that their version of voter fraud would have no effect on an election  

    •  But It Passes Eligibility Laws That Disenfranchise (8+ / 0-)

      millions.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 08:33:53 AM PDT

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    •  Problem is GOPers the ones committing voter fraud (11+ / 0-)

      As in Charles White, former secretary of state in Indiana, which ironically was the state that passed the first of these Draconian laws in search of a virtually non existent problem. Also, there's the problem of Richard Lugar of Indiana who has voted as being registered at an address he hasn't lived at in 35 years but that would be registration fraud I believe.

      •  He hasn't even owned the property for years, much (1+ / 0-)
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        less lived there!  He does own some large tract of undeveloped land in Indiana, though.

      •  It goes beyond voter fraud. (1+ / 0-)
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        Anybody remember one Dick Cheney's sudden voter registration at his vacation home in Wyoming in 2000? That was to get around the Constitutional requirement that the president and the vice-president reside in different states. Cheney's real house was in North Dallas at that time.

        I could have been a soldier... I had got part of it learned; I knew more about retreating than the man that invented retreating. --Mark Twain

        by NogodsnomastersMary on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 07:46:05 PM PDT

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        •  To clarify (0+ / 0-)

          Off topic, but... Nothing in the Constitution bars presidential and vice-presidential candidates from the same state from running, being elected, or holding office together; it only bars the electors from their home state from voting for both of them.

          This only becomes an issue if the election is very close, or if both candidates are from a state with a large number of electoral votes, such as Texas.

          Now back to our regularly scheduled programing...

          There is nothing more exciting than the truth. - Richard P. Feynman

          by pastol on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 12:25:25 AM PDT

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    •  Also keeps people so occupied with the (8+ / 0-)

      one by one 'voter fraud', which the average individual can understand, that the potentially 'massive number of switched votes' possible by the recording of the voting machines is ignored.

      Democrats - We represent America!

      by phonegery on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 08:43:18 AM PDT

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      •  Why this kind of "fraud" would never work (2+ / 0-)
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        First, how does the Eric Holder impostor know that the real Eric Holder hasn't voted yet?  The election judge will see that an Eric Holder has voted and one of the two Eric Holders is committing voter fraud.  At least in Maryland, there is at least one police officer at every polling place, so the election judge will bring the officer over and chances are the policemen will figure out what is going on and arrest the impostor.

        The second possibility is that the impostor votes first so when the real Eric Holder shows up to vote the authorities will figure out that an impostor has unlawfully voted.  The police will open an investigation immediately, interviewing the election judges, and seize the certification on which the impostor has forged Eric Holder's signature.  Hopefully the judges will remember the impostor's physical description, the certification will be analyzed for handwriting and fingerprints, and hopefully a start will have been made to identifying and arresting the fraudulent voter.

        Either way, it seems that any effort to pose as a registered voter is doomed to failure and those who try such a thing will find themselves behind bars.

        "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

        by Navy Vet Terp on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 07:34:49 PM PDT

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    •  of course....but....someone's FREEDOM has been (4+ / 0-)

      violated...like Al Gore's for instance.

  •  Why hasn't O'Keefe been thrown in jail yet? (10+ / 0-)

    Rhetorical question - IOKIYAR.

    If you do not believe that there is an ongoing war on women, then you aren't paying attention. h/t The Pootie Potentate

    by glorificus on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 09:33:01 AM PDT

  •  Seriously, DOJ should do something here. (5+ / 0-)
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    I honestly don't get why what we get from Justice on this is crickets.  Sure, the charges are trumped up, but if nobody who actually knows about this SAYS anything, they'll just go on and the lies will get bigger and bigger.

    Please, this isn't like the birther crap.  Release a report, or arrest somebody, but SOMETHING.

    -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 11:28:24 AM PDT

    •  I'm an election officer in California (11+ / 0-)

      We are lucky that we have Debra Bowen as SoS, as she kicked out the voting machines (but not the poll sited tabulators which one balances to at the end of the evening), she got everyone (clerk, officers and judges) to have training for each and every election. She got us to understand, one signature, one ballot, one vote.  There is no voter ID law in California, one shows ID when one initially registers, then swears to that ID each time one votes for the rest of one's life.  She also got us to understand where fraud starts, and where a felony starts.

      Paid voter registration people sometimes will sign up "mickey  Mouse" or "A. Hitler" or some such.  The registration forms are numbered so that the registrars do not throw away the registrations of voters they do not like (happened in Santa Barbara, Democratic registrations were tossed, that is now stopped).   M. Mouse and A Hitler do not show up to vote, because the the voter ID first time challenge. Felony to present false ID.

      When one signs the voter roll in California, one signs to verify one's ID.  It is a felony to lie.  

      If, while one is signing, one sees the name of a deceased neighbor, one might make a mention of it, and the clerk will make a note of it, not on the roll, for the registrar to research.  Clerks and other officials may not erase anyone from the rolls.  So, yes, there are dead people on the rolls in CA, but that doesn't mean they vote.

      If one casts an absentee ballot, then dies,  then there is the physical election, the registrar has to decide how to count or not count the ballot (sometimes they have to count the absentee ballots before the election, in order to get the results out).

      If someone says that someone else has voted in their name (happens occasionally with male Jr. and Seniors who live near  or with each other) we give one of them a provisional ballot, and let the registrar sort it out.

      If a citizen challenges a voter's ID, we call the police, and let them sort it out.  It happened on my watch once in East Oakland in a church with 3 precinct's poll sites.  The citizen went away in cuffs and there were like 80 pissed off voters in line but everyone lived to vote another day.  The poll watchers (from the steel worker's union) were a blessing in that they could be amongst the witnesses giving statements to the police.  

      Bottom Line:

      If James O'Keefe came to my poll site, had ID or was willing to sign the voter roll that he was Eric Holder at xyz address as listed on the voter roll, he could perform voter fraud.  He would also be guilty of a felony or two: voter fraud, and I.D. theft.

      So far James O'keefe and his minions have not had the courage of their convictions to commit the crime, and do the time, to prove their non existent point. Poll workers in California are trained to deal with problems.  Come the day that James O'Keefe or his minions do manage to slip through Bowen's carefully crafted net, she will fix the net, and within 3 months the loop hole that O'Keefe slips though will be closed. And he will be in jail.  

      I think Debra Bowen should be declared a state natural resource, and her work franchised to other states.

      "Conservatives care from conception to crowning." VetGrl " It's just a matter of time before the Republicans realize the Ten Commandments are "regulations."" TriassicSands

      by sailmaker on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 12:45:29 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks! nt (1+ / 0-)
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        When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 07:42:27 PM PDT

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      •  great comment. I have some questions. (0+ / 0-)

        Does the ID required to be presented also show a person is a citizen?  If not, what blocks a non-citizen from registering in a community voter registration drive from voting?

        Do the IDs verify identity of the person, for example, a birth certificate provides no verification of identity (most people gain weight and height between the time of birth and when they become 18) but a passport would, for example.

        While some states may require ID every time a person votes, requiring ID to be produced even one time still causes problems for those without ID.  What recourse do people in this situation have?

        The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

        by nextstep on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 07:43:46 PM PDT

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        •  The one time one has to show ID (1+ / 0-)
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          these will work

          A.    driver’s license or identification card of any state;
          B.    passport;
           C.    employee identification card;
          D.    identification card provided by a commercial establishment;
          E.    credit or debit card;
          F.    military identification card;
          G.    student identification card;
          H.    health club identification card;
          I.    insurance plan identification card.

          these will also work
          A.    utility bill; B.    bank statement; C.    government check; D.    government paycheck; E.    document issued by a governmental agency; F.    sample ballot issued by a governmental agency; G.    voter notification card issued by a governmental agency; H.    public housing identification card issued by a governmental agency; I.    lease or rental statement or agreement issued by a governmental agency; J.    student identification card issued by a governmental agency; K.    tuition statement or bill issued by a governmental agency; L.    insurance plan card issued by a governmental agency; M.    discharge certificate, pardon, or other official document issued to the voter
          in connection with the resolution of a criminal case, indictment, sentence, or other matter;

          Source

          I particularly like that last one. Once one has paid one's dues for a crime, one can vote, in California.

          "Conservatives care from conception to crowning." VetGrl " It's just a matter of time before the Republicans realize the Ten Commandments are "regulations."" TriassicSands

          by sailmaker on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 08:59:17 PM PDT

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  •  Heh, on his site it says: (4+ / 0-)

    "Request booking information"

    I for one, would like to see him get some booking information.

    Bookem' Dano!

    "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Matthew 5:11

    by parsonsbeach on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 02:22:58 PM PDT

  •  Why isn't he in jail? (2+ / 0-)
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    birdboy2000, rantsposition

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 07:20:42 PM PDT

  •   (0+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 07:20:56 PM PDT

  •  Whose music is in the video? (1+ / 0-)
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    Would the like to know about it?

  •  Not to digress... (3+ / 0-)

    but I'd bet a lot of money that O'Keefe has not paid for a license to use "S&M" by Rihanna in his little video that proves nothing.

  •  O'Keefe is getting some video for his appearance (1+ / 0-)
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    at "True the Vote" annual convention here in Houston later this month--he's a headliner!  He joins Hans von Spakovsky, Anita MonCreif and other vote suppressors and their bootlickers here at the Brookhollow Sheraton.  I hope he doesn't get clearance from the judge  but shows up anyway and gets put away for probation violation (hey, it's a start, right?)

  •  He proves our point (1+ / 0-)
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    The momma's boy basement crew tin foiler didn't vote because they knew it was illegal. That's shows me the current law works.

    Another idiotic attempt down the drain.

  •  unfortunately it's regularly sold on talk radio (0+ / 0-)

    on the national and local level and has been for years- that big lie is here to stay

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and partisan lying by broadcasting sports on Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 07:31:05 PM PDT

  •  If you want to rig an election (2+ / 0-)

    You don't vote multiple times.  You get in as a poll worker and "find" some extra ballots in the trunk of your car.

  •  Ben Shapiro? (0+ / 0-)

    Is that the same smug little shit who used to write for the Daily Bruin?

    It has to be. Breitbart.com is the only outfit that would take him.

  •  I'm not sure (1+ / 0-)
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    what exactly the "voter fraud" is that the Republicans are trying to stop.

    I go to the polls, I show my voter registration card, I vote, the pollworkers cross me off the list as having voted, and if somebody shows up later and says they're me and tries to vote... yeah, sorry, you already voted.

    I was told by the elections administration that the only reason voter ID is necessary (since our voter ID law got blocked by the DOJ) would be if I didn't have my voter registration card, I could tell them my name and THEN I would have to show my driver's license.

    Where's the hole in here?  If you're worried about "dead people" voting, well, that usually occurs well after all the living people have voted and requiring photo ID from all voters does absolutely nothing about it.

    27, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 07:46:46 PM PDT

  •  But it's working... (0+ / 0-)

    it has 2,925 upvotes and 75 downvotes - bring this dialogue to youtube - downvote it. plz...This insulting hurtful bull.

    I worked the polls recently for a local special election and a Democratic pollworker was telling a Republican pollworker, "I've got no problem with requiring voter identification" and I told them both vehemently, "Well, I do! Because we don't have a voter FRAUD problem in this country. We have a voter DISENFRANCHISEMENT problem in this country." The fact is the Republicans are winning the debate by fabricating a mock problem and getting pushover Dems to placate them.

    I downvoted it and leaving a comment on youtube.

    On top of everything else, I feel truly hurt by this. A good-hearted man is just doing his civic responsibility and this young buffoon is trying to make the election official look bad. It reminds me of the Brooks Brothers Riot. These spoiled young buffoons managed to prevent an elected President (Al Gore) from being certified as such.

    Come on, people. Engage. Engage. Talking amongst ourselves accomplishes exactly NOTHING.

  •  Breitbart overdosed on cheap cocaine... (0+ / 0-)

    ...for this crap?

  •  That's Not the Problem (0+ / 0-)

    The problem is that the Justice Department didn't go after election fraud starting in 2009 when it was fresh on everyone's minds. Right after we discovered that they had basically stolen thousands of votes in Ohio, Justice should have been on the case. And what about the caging and other illegal practices?

    And they should have been all over the voting machines. Why are there still voting machines out there that are so easily scammed?

    This is where the Obama team could have gotten ahead of the curve. If they'd gone after election fraud in a big way the Republicans would have never gotten traction on the voter fraud issue. They would have been too busy defending against allegations (and probably prosecutions) of election fraud.

    But there was no push to do this (other than a lonely guy on Daily Kos). And now we've got this big problem where they are trying to steal about 10% of the Democratic vote this election. That could easily be the difference between winning and losing the White House.

  •  this is STILL fraud (0+ / 0-)

    since when the real eric holder tries to cast a ballot, the board of elections will show that he has already done so.

    just the attempt to defraud by pretending to be someone else and taking that ballot is breaking the law.

    i hope this creep is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law to stop other o'keefe operatives from depriving american citizens of their rights to vote!

    EdriesShop - heart and jade old stock up to 50% off - tonite only! insulin, vet bills and fuel gaskets, oh my! Is GlowNZ back yet?

    by edrie on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 12:13:37 AM PDT

    •  Not quite (1+ / 0-)
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      When you watch, you see he doesn't actually sign.  That means that he didn't actually commit fraud - and it makes sense that he didn't sign, because when you sign, you are swearing that you are who you say you are, and acknowledging that if you are lying you are committing a felony.

      This is sort of like a video where you show someone walking into a bank, looking around at all the people who have money, and saying "If I had a gun, I could totally rob all these people!"

      I'm an election judge, and I always make clear what people are agreeing to when they sign.  I do that to make clear how important voting is, but also for the voter's sake - if they for some reason are NOT eligible to vote, I don't want the to - it can screw up their lives!

      For example, if you are a legal immigrant, but not a US citizen, and for some reason are confused about voting (this happens!), and you vote without realizing that you shouldn't, then 1) you will get caught and proscecuted, and 2) you will NEVER BE ABLE TO BE A US CITIZEN.  This is one of the questions they ask you to become a citizen, and if you did vote, you are immediately refused and can never gain citizenship.

      I know this happened a few times in my city in a previous year, we talked about it at my election judge training the following year.

      Voting is serious.  These jerks make it seem like a game.

      •  i just watched the video and saw where he (0+ / 0-)

        "had to go get his id" - and, you're right.

        but my question is this - IF he walked into a bank and made that statement, would he not have been legally liable for the attempt (if he were talking to the teller, for example, as the creep was at the polling place).  he ATTEMPTED to commit a crime but did not follow through - thus, he violated the integrity of the system.

        i would be very curious to know what any lawyers out there have to say.  the fact that he chose not to do so at the last moment did not in any way alter the fact that he ATTEMPTED to commit a crime - and, i believe that is sometimes enough to be arrested.

        lawyers?  anyone?

        perhaps a closer example would be if he tried to present a fraudulent check on someone else's bank account.

        hmmmmm.

        EdriesShop - heart and jade old stock up to 50% off - tonite only! insulin, vet bills and fuel gaskets, oh my! Is GlowNZ back yet?

        by edrie on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 01:04:15 PM PDT

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  •  VERY POOR COUNTRIES have voter IDs! Why can't we? (0+ / 0-)

    The idea that someone shouldn't have to prove that they are who they are before exercising their right to vote is not only preposterous in its face, but also ridiculous when we consider that many or most of the poor democracies have voters IDs in order to protect the integrity of their electoral systems.

    I am an independent-minded (i.e. I don't subscribe to group think) progressive/populist and, other than sheer partisan objectives, I find no logical basis whatsoever behind the left's/Dems' opposition to voter IDs, provided that it is guaranteed that the states would make such IDs easily available and free of cost.

    It clearly isn't an alien concept that people provide identification when and where needed, as we do need an ID to do many things in everyday life. If someone wants to exercise their right to vote, then it is their responsibility to ensure that they have the necessary identification and show it at the voting booth to prove that they are who they say that they are. Not much more to it than that.

    •  i think america might be one of the few or only (0+ / 0-)

      democratic nations on earth that don't have state IDs that need to be shown in order to vote. Forums that i frequent that aren't dedicated to politics but slant left are completely baffeled how it's even a question whether you need an ID to vote. To most of them it would never accure to them that you wouldn't need one.

  •  Besides the fact that O'Keefe is an idiot... (0+ / 0-)

    Let's hypothetically assume that we are trying to stop this kind of completely ludicrous and unrealistic "voter fraud".  How would having a picture ID stop it?  If I am willing to commit a felony that could land me five years in jail and a $10,000 fine, you don't think I can make a fake ID?

    My parents have lived in Florida their whole lives, have had drivers licenses their whole lives.  My mother, who is 65 went to renew her drivers license last year.  It took many hours and several trips because they made her produce her marraige certificate (from 40+ years ago) to prove her last name was changed.  Yup, stopping voter fraud in its tracks right there!

  •  James O'Keefe proves, again, voter fraud is a Repu (0+ / 0-)

    "James O'Keefe is bound and determined to prove that voter fraud exists, so he keeps sending his minions out to attempt to commit it."

    Sad indeed.....

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