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The republicians have done everything they can on many many levels to block the move towards solar power.  High pitched sceams of Solyndra Solyndra accompany efforts to block government funding of any solar project.  Fears of china dominating the market have no effect,  they merely shrug and say the market will prevail.  This of course assumes that the free market exists in China.  So, when the market does speak will the republicians follow?

join me past the orange cloud.

The Director of Pew's Clean Energy Program, Phyllis Cuttino, reported that US grabs lead over China in clean energy race  It's important to focus on the success of this undertaking, instead of allowing the republicians to push to destroy one of the bright spots in American industry.
So, repeat after me, the market has spoken, it's up to us to reenforce our #1 standing!

Originally posted to askyron on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 11:32 PM PDT.

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  •  And there are "free markets" where? (1+ / 0-)
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    People forget that the very first thing they're told in Economics 101 is that they are being showed idealized models which don't reflect actual market structures.  Then they go on to indoctrinate us all that those non-representative models are the way things actually work.  Of course, the reality in just about every nation, regardless of theoretical  economic ideology, is that oligopoly administered markets are the norm.  The only difference between the US and China is which oligarchic structure is doing the administering, state or capital.

    The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges. ~ Anatole France

    by ActivistGuy on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 12:35:46 AM PDT

  •  I don't think you read the article. (2+ / 0-)
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    DRo, jfromga

    Your title is very misleading. The main reason for the uptick was the expiration of tax incentives.

    There was a lot of other negative context in the article as well.

    •  The diary was an attempt to push the narrative (0+ / 0-)

      I think she was trying to push her narrative, for instance, this line:

      Experts say a key difference between the United States and China is in how they attract investment -- China by having solid green energy policies that reassure investors and the United States by offering tax breaks for investment.
      We don't offer tax breaks for investments, we offer tax breaks for purchases, unless you feel that buying a solar panel is an investment.

      She is trying to get us to have a solar/renewable energy policy, and so am I.  But I'm trying to push a narrative that can pull in some pro-business allies...

  •  solar cant exist without gvt support (0+ / 0-)

    It's slightly absurd totally about markets for production for it.

    •  There isn't "a market" for energy. There are (1+ / 0-)
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      innumerable markets, based on locality and use. Solar isn't competitive in most of them yet, but it is gradually taking them over a few at a time. For instance, water heating in Arizona and powering small appliances like cell phone chargers in rural India are cheaper with solar.

      The cost of solar will continue to drop and the cost of extractive power will continue to rise- eventually solar will win out in most markets. I don't imagine that I will ever see a solar powered passenger jet, though.

      •  Additionally, we can make a choice (2+ / 0-)
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        Andrew F Cockburn, Bronx59

        let China/Europe dominate a market, or do the heavy lifting now, and take our share.  Sadly, the current political world requires some GOP support to move bills through congress, and so far, the Tea party has decided that destroying the nation to make Obama a one term president is fine with them. Hopefully, the fact that the tea party brand is imploding might get the GOP leadership to do what it can to keep their brand from following it.

    •  Neither can oil. (1+ / 0-)
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      The problem with solar right now is that the price has dropped so fast on solar panels that the market can't guarantee returns for investors.
      So we need to have the tax incentives continue for putting small scale solar on every building where it's feasible.
      Consider it a hedge against fluctuations in energy prices.
      There are lots of non-"market driven" reasons we need it.
      I noticed that $4 bil of the $4.9 bil invested in Australia is for small scale solar.

      I'd rather have a buntle afrota-me than a frottle a bunta-me.

      by David54 on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 05:30:21 AM PDT

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    •  Another thing to consider is that if we had gotten (3+ / 0-)
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      off the ball quicker with solar we'd be exporting solar power to the rest of the world, including all those places that don't have major energy infrastructure but need power.
      Imagine that instead of killing folks in Pakistan and Somalia with drones we were sending solar power units so that people could improve their standard of living.

      I'd rather have a buntle afrota-me than a frottle a bunta-me.

      by David54 on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 05:35:26 AM PDT

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