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This really seems like a Debbie Downer post and very well may be but it is a realistic question.  I hear talk about student loans and lower interest.  I see the most outrageous presidential race trotting out on the Grand old Poop stage like I have never seen.
Jobs are in the can and trickling back at minimum wage.  It almost seems like being good at flipping burgers is a better asset than a degree in physics.

Please jump below the fold....

I hear talk of times that we are on a slow road to recovery.  What I see is really frightening.  I see charts of hunger,  healthcare crisis, a bunch of loons walking around shooting at things they don't like.. (OK I broad stroked a bit ) still we have governors talking about seceding, secret service agents getting caught with their pants down, uninvited guests strolling into the White House hugging world leaders with no pat down while 3 year olds are gropped and patted down at airports.  I see people wearing tea all over their faces claiming to be republicans, literally tearing the country apart.

 I see gridlock in legislation like a 747 stuck in 20 feet of snow trying to get off the ground.
The wars are unending and we have lost an entire generation of good kids to death and horror of war.
I see an unhinged Supreme Court giving corporations rights of We the People.  I see protesters exercising their first amendment rights to be pepper sprayed, shot and abused.  I see veterans and military families on the edge being treated badly.  I see so called legislators not having respect for a president enough  that they call him a liar in the State of the Union.

  I see  state and local laws trying to override federal laws.  I see unions being dismantled.   I see opinion commentators like Rush Limbaugh calling women testifying before congress a slut.  I see a so called entertainer with a big mouth
calling for the assassination of a president with crude words like suck on my machine gun.
I see slime or God knows what being served to our children and elderly in places where nutrition is supposed to matter.  I see churches acting like satanists. I see unchecked banks that are pulling Jessie James on us.  My apologies to Jessie James.  Rich People are stealing homes from the poor.

  Oil companies are killing our fish and environment.  There is no respect, accountability, or compromise with a party so far right they have fallen off a cliff and drug us off with them. This did not all happen under one president in 4 years.  Only a fool and we got plenty of that, would believe such nonsense.

Is this the kind of democracy we are trying to shove down people's throat if we have to kill everyone to give them?  Why is up ..down...?  Why is everything that we were taught as youngsters suddenly know, birth control is good..unwanted pregnancy is not.

Why are we pulling troops out of mental hospitals and sending them on to battlefields drugged up on stimulants (legal meth).  

I want solutions.  I want sanity.  I want a sane country.  Do I hate America?  I don't know if that place called America exists anymore. I know I miss it.
Who are we?  What can be done?  Is this a fight for a safe place to dwell or have we lost it already.  Basically what do we do to stop this trainwreck of lack of common sense and decency.  Is this baby beyond CPR?  I really think it looks like America has a very weak pulse and it will take 100 years to rebuild if then.  
I know I sure as hell miss it though.  I HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO TELL MY MINOR KIDS ANYMORE.  I don't want to cry when I tell them to trust something.  To try and achieve as rewards are in education and hard work.  I honestly fear for their future and their well being.  I don't need to read the Shock doctrine.  We are living in an alternate state of reality.  We keep trying to make things right but is it too late?


Will America survive what conservatives have brought it??

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  •  tipped and rec'd... (8+ / 0-)

    it does semm that things are going to get worse before they get better sometimes.  the state legislatures are what scare long til they become normal again?

    The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all. John F. Kennedy

    by ebbet on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 08:47:16 AM PDT

    •  I think the boomer generation will (7+ / 0-)

      have to die off and there will be something other than social security.  I think it is gone soon.  I just don't know anymore.  Thanks for the T & R.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 08:52:44 AM PDT

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      •  The boomer generation is the collective memory (2+ / 0-)
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        of the social justice gospel of MLK and JFK's aspirational inspiration instead of the prosperity gospel of the me-generation Reagan babies and their mega-churches.

        The boomer generation... well, half of us boomers... had to fight tooth and nail with the other half who were the conservative dicks and forerunners of today's teabaggers and radical wingnuts.

        Just like today, there were those who wanted the right to live their lives in peace and quiet and dignity as they saw fit... and then there were those uptight conservatives whose authoritarian nature demanded control and fealty over everyone in every dimension of our lives.

        And we won a few fights... because we were lifted upon the shoulders of those who fought and died to bring forth some rights a generation before us.

        It never ends. The conservatives and their selfishness will always be with us and each generation has to learn to stand up and fight simply to keep the yardlines of rights from shrinking away from them. Winning extra ground simply gives some play for the future generations to have breathing room to continue the work.

        The young of today stand on the shoulders of the DFH boomers and those socialists and multitudes of immigrants who fought for those rights that so many take for granted. The baton will be passed. Let's hope it is never dropped and the light never goes out.

  •  We'll survive (8+ / 0-)

    The sane among us need to take more responsibility for what happens down the road.  From here on the left we need to make a better effort to communicate with those who disagree with us, win them over (as much as we can).

    I think we've been deluded in our belief that life (and by extension political life) makes sense.  It's not about knowing the truth, but (in democracy) about communicating it.

    I personally believe we've fallen down on that.  When we disagree with the right we tend to laugh at them and call them names.  That rarely changes anybody's mind.

    Why don't our politicians attach some negative branding on conservatism (you know, that philosophy that opposed the abolition of slavery, that opposed universal suffrage, that thought it was OK to have children work in mines and factories instead of going to school)?  Because we don't (at least not often enough).  Instead we go wonky and put lower info people to sleep, or we act superior to them and give them reason to believe we don't care about them.

    Or we get despondent and quit a little bit.

    When I was kid I heard the elders talking about that other depression and what led up to it.  They dug in and after awhile the country turned around.  We can do that too.  I think we will.  I hope we will.

  •  Hmm..where to start- first I sure feel what you (12+ / 0-)

    are feeling. However, you'll grasp better what is going on 'behind the scenes' by the corporate Control, global economy, wall street if you do read the Shock Doctrine, or one will never really believe what is going on. You'll see how America has been trampling the world for resources by tearing other countries apart..

    2nd- we do not have a democracy, though we were led to believe that we did, maybe America started out with it, but it is long gone as is the American Dream-which really is just a dream, even though most of us played by the rules, worked hard bought a house, went to school and obeyed all the rules and while the majority of U.S. citizens were doing that something else was going on. Some of the shit has been made clear by the GOP wingnuts, but the Big Wheels in the Big Corporations (Mostly defense, money, big pharma/ins.companies/contracctors etc.) are doing Their PERSONHOOD thingy.

    IMHO I see no change coming until the 99% really rise up and we get BIG Corp money out of politics.

    Local elections may be our only present day hope..and it may never really get better in the near future.

    "Time is for careful people, not passionate ones."

    "Life without emotions is like an engine without fuel."

    by roseeriter on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:02:37 AM PDT

  •  It's become a pretty sad state of affairs. (7+ / 0-)

    And our only option seems to be to elect Democrats who, I think, mainly are capable of keeping the car on the road (although it might be a jalopy in bad need of a tune-up). As opposed to voting Republican, in which case, I fully expect them to go all Thelma and Louise on us. Right over the cliff.

    "It does not require many words to speak the truth." -- Chief Joseph, native American leader (1840-1904)

    by highfive on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:11:29 AM PDT

  •  You are not alone (11+ / 0-)

    You are not alone.  Many, many people see these same things and are as distress about these things as you are.  

    Interestingly, many people who are conservatives see these same things and are also appalled.  They blame the left while we blame them.

    The wealthy and corporate interests that have brought about these conditions seek to further empower themselves by dividing the rest of the country.  They use all sorts of themes: black vs. white, red vs. blue, native vs. immigrant, christian vs. muslim, etc.

    So how do we the people fight back against the wealthy and corporations.  That will take organization and a long-rnage strategy of coming together and working for what supports democracy.  

    Meanwhile, here are some simple things that you can do: 1) stop buying crap; 2) buy local; 3) turn off the TV; 4) help your neighbor; 5) avoid using the car; 6) patronize the farmer's market; 7) teach your children; 8) participate in your town governence.

    MOST importantly - start thinking about the things you can do rather than focus on the stuff beyond your control.  

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:13:31 AM PDT

  •  Life inside the bubble (7+ / 0-)

    Having been outside the US for a few months now I have some interesting insights that may or may not help you.

    1. The media inside the US seems to be pushing the "End of the World" shit. Outside of the US media bubble, not so much.

    2. When I was in the states I would often over consume mass media and it depressed the shit out of me. Times are tough, but there seems to be a concerted effort  to create the impression that they are hopeless. I found that when I stopped being a consumer and started be a producer, my mental state turned around.

    3. I started producing in my own life, because it was the only thing that I had any control over. For me that meant seeking out alternative choices for my life and work. Instead of being locked in to living how we always had, it meant simplifying, downsizing, and discovering the things that were really important to us.

    For us that meant a travel lifestyle where we go where the money is. This was easy for us since we don't have a lot of family ties or close friends. What we found was that by becoming the driver and essentially ignoring the other traffic on the road, you can escape most of the negativity that pervades the "driven to work so you can consume more," America Dream.

    Look at your life with fresh eyes. At the very least you can take some time away from all the negative and really appreciate those things that you do have.

    Stay strong.

    The only difference between (Mitt) Romney and George W. Bush is that Romney hasn't destroyed the American economy, yet - MoT

    by Herodotus Prime on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:16:23 AM PDT

    •  I would love to do some of those things but (8+ / 0-)

      cannot.  I am a veterans advocate and in the heat of things MOST of the time.  I am in the heat of them from my own local area to the halls of congress.  I do get down but I can't throw the game.  I have to stay in it and heavily.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:20:51 AM PDT

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      •  props for your work (4+ / 0-)
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        maybe when you have time off, really take it off, get some of those small moments of paradise living on earth can provide.  

        When I was in highschool I read Solzhenitsyn's One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch.  Here was a guy in an intolerable situation --a slave in Siberia-- who managed to make a few tiny moments (a good trowel, a crust of bread) each day give him enough joy to keep his soul alive.

        •  I am trying very hard to (3+ / 0-)
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          prioritize my abilities as we should be rational enough to know we are no super hero but there are many so lost in this ball of confusion and so many of us with huge responsibilities to help them find their way.  It is kinda like watching people die in slow motion.. That sounds harsh but I am seeing things I have never seen before and reminds me of Katrina in many ways.

          We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

          by Vetwife on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:47:21 AM PDT

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    •  Fear is being pushed on Americans by our (3+ / 0-)
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      government and our media. Everywhere we go we have to go through security checkpoints and we just accept that we take our shoes off now all the time. Even to get into the courthouse for jury duty. It makes it seem like they catch dangerous people trying to bomb or shoot us constantly.

      A few weeks ago our local schools were on code red lockdown for HOURS because someone called one school and threatened to hurt themself and others. Because one school was threatened (sort of) SWAT came to that school and the other schools had kids sitting under desks in the dark and peeing in trash cans in the corner for several hours. Another time someone called the police and reported seeing a person carrying something that looked like a gun a few blocks away from a school. Two schools locked down with kids in the dark on the floor for an hour.  It was an old man with a cane.

      We have decided to live in fear and to keep ourselves "safe" we are willing to wait in lines to get into anywhere we want to go just so they can search our shoes and our bags and find....what, exactly?


      by voracious on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:45:27 AM PDT

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    •  I try really hard to do this (appreciate those (3+ / 0-)
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      things...), but it feels like its all slipping away. Gotta refocus, clearly.

      Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

      by Smoh on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 10:13:57 AM PDT

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  •  Up is down and left is right and dark is light (5+ / 0-)

    I agree with everything you wrote.

    I've really had to partition my feelings on this stuff.  There are some things I can positively impact, there are some things that I'll never be able to impact at this point in my life, and the landscape is changing so quickly that it's hard to keep up.

    A while back, I figured out that it was unproductive to worry about what kind of legacy I leave for my kids (and potential grandchildren someday, perhaps).  They'll figure out their own way, eventually.  Sometimes, the best I can do is live in the now and concentrate on the core stuff where I can actually influence a positive outcome.  There is so much that I can not do that with, and I had to learn the difference.

    The rest of it was driving me insane.

    Maybe I'll send you a Tolle book, also.  :-)

    Hugs, dear.

    The test of whether we're willing to stand up to the thugs that wrote voter suppression laws is this: Are you willing to hold hands with someone that needs hand holding in order to qualify to vote?

    by Richard Cranium on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:19:14 AM PDT

  •  Your words speak for sooo many,Sweet lady (4+ / 0-)
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    Tipped & reccomended !!!

    You have given voice to what a lot of us tremble with fear to try and figure out especially those of us with children... whose parents raised us on the "American Dream"... I pride myself in being honest with mine but how can I encourage them to go for their dreams when there are so many standing in front of them ready to destroy them before they can even get started.

    Bless you for keeping the reality out there in the open.

    “And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

    by JMoore on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:25:07 AM PDT

  •  Good diary (2+ / 0-)
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    I just read a short piece on the Maddow blog in which the blogger references a paper written in a physics journal about the fragmented state of society.

    "...One of the co-authors of the paper, Cristian Huepe, says "unfortunately, the fragmented state is a much more common final state" in today's world, due in part to the niche media and something the physicist refers to as "circular referencing..."

    "...In circular referencing, people only talk to like-minded people, re-enforcing the same beliefs, even if they are totally wrong..."

    I agree with you Vetwife. The world does seem crazier than ever. I think until we all accept each other and "join" in some way, we won't see any changes for the better. I don't see any hope in the near horizon. I think things will probably get a lot worse first. Maybe an extreme right wing president and congress will finally open everyone's eyes.

    •  We've retreated into our echo chambers... (5+ / 0-)
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      ...for various reasons, I think (and that's on both the left and the right).  It didn't happen by accident.  The Balkanization of America has been a feature of the corporatization of the country, not a bug.

      Jay Gould, one of the Gilded Era robber barons, said it best:

      "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."
      Until the 99% in America truly figure out and understand what Gould was saying and truly unite against this crap, the beatings will continue until morale improves.  I'm not particularly hopeful that's going to happen in my lifetime.

      The test of whether we're willing to stand up to the thugs that wrote voter suppression laws is this: Are you willing to hold hands with someone that needs hand holding in order to qualify to vote?

      by Richard Cranium on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:34:18 AM PDT

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      •  Well..time is not on our side for sure (1+ / 0-)
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        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

        by Vetwife on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:40:22 AM PDT

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        •  Actually, time is on our side. Reality's liberal (1+ / 0-)
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          bias (wonderful observation/comment by Stephen Colbert) is working behind the scenes.  The times they are a-changing.

          We are on the brink of changes every bit as big as those of the '60s.  Climate change--we can still mitigate, but cannot now stop it.  It's happening and undeniable. People are waking up and taking up their grievances all over the world. Even here.  

          The old vulture (or more accurately vampire) capitalism is on its way out. And those who fatten on it are in panic. Panic is an interesting word--the unreasoning primitive fear induced by Pan. Or to put it in a more feminine perspective, by Mother Nature.

          It is going to be a rough ride, but the old hierarchal ways are going over the cliff. Celebration of obscene selfishness is in its last fetid flowering.

          Meanwhile, take care of yourself. Take time out to escape for a few hours with a fun novel, a walk, anything just for a good break.  Best wishes to you and all working for a better world.

          "'s difficult to imagine what else Republicans can do to drive women away in 2012, unless they decide to bring back witch-hanging. And I wouldn't put it past them." James Wolcott

          by Mayfly on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 10:39:36 AM PDT

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  •  You should read this older diary (3+ / 0-)
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    What we are seeing is the end of the industrial revolution.  Most people still haven't grasped that.  We've seen this before.  Here is a very well written diary on the subject.  There is an old saying that generals always fight the last war.  I'm afraid that it can apply to more than genearals.  The old idea of everyone that is able to get a college degree should go ahead and pursue one is sadly out of date.  Anyone qualified to be a first rate scientist or software developer should go that route, but not everybody.

  •  Class War breeds (2+ / 0-)
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    revolutions and Empires always fall.

  •  I always get so confused when the left and the (2+ / 0-)
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    right both cry for the country they want back.  

    Rick Perry is George Bush without brains.

    by thestructureguy on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:44:48 AM PDT

    •  To Be Expected in an Owners' Revolution Driven (1+ / 0-)
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      by propaganda. They've invested countless billions into that outcome.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 10:07:24 AM PDT

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  •  Heartbreaking! (2+ / 0-)
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    Each evening, from December to December,
    Before you drift to sleep upon your cot,
    Think back on all the tales that you remember
    Of Camelot.

    Ask ev'ry person if he's heard the story,
    And tell it strong and clear if he has not,
    That once there was a fleeting wisp of glory
    Called Camelot.

    Camelot! Camelot!
    Now say it out with pride and joy!

    Camelot! Camelot!

    Where once it never rained till after sundown,
    By eight a.m. the morning fog had flown...
    Don't let it be forgot
    That once there was a spot
    For one brief shining moment that was known
    As Camelot.

  •  Bizarro world (2+ / 0-)
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    A black city in the South drowns. A black city in the North sold piecemeal to build golf courses. Banks stealing homes with impunity. Torturers honored. Ad infinitum.

    This shouldn't be an election. It should be a landslide blowout.

  •  I'm increasingly convinced (1+ / 0-)
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    ...that within another generation what we currently call America will be a tin-pot petro-state ruled by a Dominionist theocracy, with "prosperity gospel" as the national creed in place of the Constitution.

    That said, curling into a ball & dying is exactly what the scumbags want us to do. What we need to be doing right now is carving out our own islands of sanity to prepare for the coming madness.

    The enemies of our liberty want a generational fight? Then let us give them one.

  •  Take it to them (1+ / 0-)
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    Taking it to Wells Fargo Bank right now in San Francisco. Banks have their stockholders mtgs this time of year--they'll be hearing from the people this year.


    Twitter  #wf24

    More info. about what's happening there and why.

    There are things happening most every day across the USA now.

    I think never watching TV is very important to sanity these days.

    Resistance Is Fertile - Occupy

    by Sean X on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 11:38:46 AM PDT

  •  I predicted the GOP would keep going insane (1+ / 0-)
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    ...but I'm more shocked at how "normalized" it's become.

    The fact that Romney had to distance himself from Nugent but not Birther Trump is still shocking.

    And the hack media keeps playing the "Well yes, they demand his birth certificate but has he really reached out to the GOP?"
    equivalence game over and over to our society's doom.

    Otherwise, things are peachy;]

  •  Apparently our Civil War (2+ / 0-)
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    is not over. Or perhaps our aristocratic landowners never really accepted the results of our War for Independence from England (and them.)

    "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

    by Orinoco on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 12:05:38 PM PDT

  •  Short answer: I don't think so. (1+ / 0-)
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    Sometimes I sit here wondering how I ended up retaining my DFH self and my cohorts went right - FAR right, some of them.  Years ago, an acquaintance told me that she was a Democrat then, but when she inherited from her dad she'd be a Republican.  I thought she was silly, but she really did go all conservative when he died.  

    Maybe the reason I didn't is because there was never an inheritance for me to look forward to.  I used to console myself with the fact that living on the edge made me better prepared to endure the hardships that would inevitably befall us all when this whole "Wonderland" scenario blew up.  

    Now, I'm no so sure.  I may survive, but I don't think the people with serious money will even notice a ripple if the rest of society goes to hell.  They're not only ideologically distant from us, but geographically, as well.  Even if they live nearby, they've walled themselves in (or us out).  Nothing so banal as a revolt in the streets will inconvenience them, not even a little bit.  At 62, I don't ever expect to be any better off than I am right now.  That makes life a pretty bleak prospect for most of us.

    -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

    by luckylizard on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 12:27:49 PM PDT

    •  I know exactly of what you speak regarding (1+ / 0-)
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      people you knew maybe even in HS.  I shake my head.  Some of these DFH so to speak were really radical and as Archie Bunker said..they ran and joined the establishment.  NO,,,they became the tea partiers.  OMG,,,did they get religion or money or just go stupid?

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:15:42 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, yes, and yes. (1+ / 0-)
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        Especially to the "go stupid" part.  :-)

        -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

        by luckylizard on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 04:30:02 AM PDT

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