What blows my mind here, are all the Progressives in training and those Democrats steadfast - who do NOT think for themselves - or believe that others are not allowed to do so. George Zimmerman is full of Bull [c]hit of the highest order and anyone within this DK realm that does not think so - may feel free to do such - but you are NOT permitted to tell me to quash my opinions on same.
First off, this is DailyKos and you are reading a thing called a "DIARY". It was a brilliant, apropos thingy for Kos and gang to entitle our writings within as such. Because Progressives can thus speak their "views" as if a diary note to oneself. And bless the rest of us - with what they say or think. It is wonderful subject matter, to hear what other Progressives have to say and Kos's Rule on entering a house ["Diary"] applies. You are a guest here - So PLEASE stop trying to stymie human development for the better and inferring that any of us should STFU? If you don't like the fact that we speak our minds you do not understand the word progressive.
That being said, there's some great stuff out there today, about the Trayvon Martin case and George Zimmerman - and I SAID IT from the outset, that Zimmerman is guilty. Therefore, I cannot be on the jury - but can - as a Free Thinking Progressive - speak my mind. Thus we march below the fold.
Marinade Dave's article "The Pyrrhic Victory of George Zimmerman"
You should forgive Marinade Dave for the use of words or terms that one has to look up like "Pyrrhic Victory" ("pyrrhic victory" means a victory with devasting costs"). Yet you will adore his dedication to a story.
At Marinade Dave's website "http://MarinadeDave.com" - he has been a Florida Blogger turned main stream media [kinda] - earning a real press badge. Dave has a great sense of temerity and tenacity for getting to the crux of the issues. His new story gets us much details as he pens "The Pyrrhic Victory of George Zimmerman" with proof and info germane.
Please bare in mind, Marinade Dave lambast's both sides of the realm for making this a GOP v Dem thingy etc. He is on the record in this new story, stating he just wants the truth. In that measure, I concur and hope that we all do the same. Why this story is getting so much press, is due to the fodder of the extremists stating that Trayvon Martin and his parents are at fault for Trayvon's death; which is absolutely absurd. Thus, we needed a million plus signatures for Trayvon's mothers petition and Al Sharpton and other "progressives" to get into this case to bring forth the "truths" that "they" were hiding.
We want and CAN handle the truth as Progressives. It is the might makes right RIGHT - that seeks to quash the truth/ facts - to foster their veiled agenda into such absurd laws as Stand Your Ground. Any decent, non-biased person, knows that there is a great possibility that the "whitish" George Zimmerman was not arrested because he shot a John Doe "black" youth in a hoody. If it were a "black" Trayvon who shot a "whitish" Zimmerman - arguing an arrest would not have been likely immediate - is vastly disigenious and incongruous with history. Especially in Sanford Florida.
Marinade Dave breaks down Timeline of Phone calls
I would suggest you read the entire story by Marinade Dave (here). It is a lengthy article, but has many details worth reading. What I find germane and dispositive - if Dave's writing is correct - is the phone call break downs of both Trayvon with his girlfriend being sync'd with George Zimmerman's 911 call. As you can see here - Zimmerman's original story is that Trayvon marched up to his truck.
Marinade Dave appropriately points out the fallacy of Zimmerman's contentions;
“Why are you following me?” Trayvon asked.
“I’m not following you,” Zimmerman responded after rolling down his window.
Here’s where it falls apart:
7:04 PM: Trayvon received a phone call from his girlfriend.
7:08 PM: Trayvon’s phone call with his girlfriend ended.
7:09 PM: Zimmerman spotted Trayvon while sitting in his truck and called the non-emergency police number. Log records showed the incoming call was received at 7:09:34 PM.
7:10:35 PM: Zimmerman told the dispatcher that Martin was coming toward him.
[Commentary by Marinade Dave]emphasis added by "moi"
At no time during this period did Zimmerman say anything to the dispatcher about a verbal exchange between the two, while seated in his truck, nor is there any record of it on the phone call. As a matter of fact, Zimmerman said the boy was running away. This may have had something to do with why a charge was filed. Almost simultaneously, Trayvon was walking toward him and running away, and no verbal exchange took place.
7:11:48 PM: Dispatcher asked Zimmerman which way Martin was running. This is when he exits his truck.Marinade Dave makes a remark that a trained reporter shouldn't do. Like the one that the dispatcher "warned" him [Zimmerman]. The actual voice on the 911 call released and (if undoctored) - we heard stated "are you following him" - Zimmerman said "Yes" and the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that". Thus the appropriate term is the dispatcher "reflects a cautionary note" - not warned. A warn would need more detailed instructions.
7:12 PM: Trayvon’s girlfriend called him back.
7:13 PM: Zimmerman said his truck was parked at a cut-through. 15 seconds later, he lost sight of Trayvon.
[Marinade Dave's remarks]
It’s very important to note that Zimmerman was in his vehicle until he got out and chased after Trayvon. The dispatcher warned him against doing so upon hearing wind resistance from the cell phone.
7:13:41 PM: Zimmerman ended his call to the dispatcher.
Meanwhile, Trayvon was still on the phone with his girlfriend.
7:15 - 7:16 PM: Trayvon told his girlfriend he thinks he lost the guy. She then heard voices:
Trayvon: Why are you following me?
Zimmerman: What are you doing here?”
Trayvon’s phone cut out at 7:16 (approximate.) His girlfriend said it sounded like the phone was dropped. Who hit who first is a big issue, but it does seem Trayvon got the upper hand.
7:16:11 PM: First of seven 9-1-1 calls came in. A high-pitched male voice is heard screaming for help, and then…
7:16:56 PM: A GUNSHOT IS HEARD.
Nonetheless, the facts are what they are. Most of us have heard the 911 George Zimmerman tape and the "f--- c----" arguments. All of us that listened did most definitely hear the dispatchers words of caution and George Zimmerman's "they always get away". That, combined with the fact that Zim is a (purportedly) trained "Captain" of the Watch - who had a concealed weapon. Is enough evidence to justify a conviction of some culpability for a youth winding up DEAD moments later. Not only did he step out of the truck for reasons we will be arguing of even a decade later. But Zimmerman was also TOLD (a fact on the tape) - that they police were on the way.
Sanford Police Arrived Within Seconds After Zimmerman Killed Trayvon
Laser Haas's theory, if you will, has always been that George Zimmerman has a "Hero" complex. That he wanted to be a policeman so bad, he sought out potential "I gotcha's" on a regular basis. Zimmerman had Sheriff's class training, was 28 years old, a father who is a "Judical Officer" (a JUDGE/ trier of facts) and a concealed weapon with a vast history of 911 calls.
What I believe transpired that night - and have said such from the outset - is that Zimmerman ran in front of Trayvon and surprised him. The phone log 911 call and Trayvon's girlfriend accounts tend to corroborate that premise. If Trayvon had seen Zimmerman running at him - does anyone believe the 17 year old, skinny, kid - could not out run the 28 year old, 240 lb - 5' 10" Zimmerman?
But, more to the point, George Zimmerman's call ended at 7:13 - as Zim was already pursuing Trayvon. The gunshot was heard at 7:16:56 pm and the Sanford Police arrived at 7:17 - according to this by Marinade Dave;
According to the initial police report, officers Ricardo Ayala and Timothy Smith arrived on the scene at 7:17 PM, seconds after the fatal shot.
New Judge UnSeals Zimmerman Case as 18th Judicial Circuit Links docs
Denoted by the Wall Street Journal (here), is the fact that the previous Judge [Recksiedler] had "Sealed" the Zimmerman case files. However, Judge Recksiedler had to recuse herself, because her husband a few "connected" issues that brought into question partiality. According to the Wall Street Journal's story "Florida Shooting Case Documents UnSealed" that the "new" Judge [Kenneth Lester Jr.] sided with the media lawsuits and UN-SEALED the Zimmerman case documents (but he did redact witness names).
Zimmerman Case Docs Publicly viewable at FL 18th Judicial Circuit website
It is such a rare thing to see, that obscure issue of Judicial prudence; but that is what we have in this case. Wish we could see more of this and I give a high KUDOs hand slap to the Judges in Florida that make this bold statement on their website (here);
It is the goal of the Eighteenth Judicial Circuit to ensure that the media and public are accommodated to the best of the Court's abilities during special interest/high profile proceedings. Below you will find media advisories and public record documents pertaining to State v. Zimmerman (2012-CF-001083-A). Please continue to check this website for updates. Documents will be posted as they are made available for public distribution.We've not had time to go through the Florida court's website and look at the documents 1 by 1 - Yet. But we will. Meanwhile, you can take a look for yourself at this link;
It is a FACT that we - at DailyKos - got involved in the Trayvon Martin/ George Zimmerman case when Trayvon's mother's Petition on Change.Org "Prosecute the killer our son, 17 year old Trayvon Martin" when it only had around 35,000 signatures. It is now above 2.2 Million. We helped make that happen and it was NOT because we allowed others to quash our opinion.
We are FREE to think and speak here at DailyKos. This is MY DIARY, my opinion and it is based = in great part = upon corroborative evidence. I have to put up with enough bull [c]hit dealing with trolls about my own cases on the outside of this realm. I'll be damn if I am going to sit still and be quiet in here; or permit others to seek to quash and stymie decent free thinking and honorable intellectual discussion on a subject that is obviously extremely important to the country.
Racial bias is alive in America - and that SUCKS.
Sexual bias is alive in America - and that SUCKS.
Mitt Romney is running for POTUS and that REALLY SUCKS.
Daily Kos is a Progressive realm that permits Diary's and that is WONDERFUL!
FINAL NOTE: Trayvon's Mother hears 911 tapes and Cries when Trayvon yells Help!
I've read the Reuters story by Daniel Trotta (big cases have such exquisite reporter names). Marinade Dave suggest we read a Reuters article entitled a gut wrenching issue; which should assauge the naysays - "Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries"
There is a heart wrenching moment that transpired once the Mayor ordered the 911 tapes to be available to Trayvon's parents. Trayvon's mother knows her sons voice. The cry for help not only brought Sybrina Fullerton to tears - it also brought the Mayor of Sanford to tears and everyone else in the room as well. As the Reuters story denotes:
Chief Lee had resisted Crump's requests to make the tapes public, but he was overruled by Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. On the night of Friday, March 16, Triplett invited Trayvon Martin's parents and their legal team into his office to listen to each of the calls, which he played on his computer.
"When we got to the cries for help, that was when Sybrina burst into tears," recalled Jackson. "She said, 'That's Trayvon. That's our son.' She ran out of the room crying." (Zimmerman's brother, Robert, would later swear the voice belonged to George.)
"The mayor himself started to cry," Jackson said. "Everybody in the room was in tears." Mayor Triplett overruled his police chief and distributed disks of the phone calls to the media that night. They have been broadcast unceasingly ever since.