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Girls are ready to marry aged 10, says top Saudi cleric
According to the cleric, Sheikh Abdul-Aziz Al al-Sheikh, an ugly old man with bad teeth:
Our mothers and grandmothers got married when they were barely 12 ... Good upbringing makes a girl ready to perform all marital duties at that age...

I must disclose that I am highly partisan in this matter. I DO NOT like Saudi Arabia! I have been particularly biased against Saudi Arabia since the attack of September 11, 2001 by some 19 or so religiously deranged Saudi Arabians.

Before that, I found the way Saudi Arabia treats its women most displeasing. Since that time I have also become more and more aware and intolerant of how tolerant Saudi Arabia is of slavery.

The child slaves of Saudi Arabia
On the wealthy streets of Jeddah, in Saudi Arabia, thousands of young child-beggars, under the auspices of ruthless gangmasters, are simply trying to survive.

Many hail from countries like Yemen which, despite bordering one of the Middle East's richest states, is a world away in terms of economic prosperity.

These children are often sold by families who are either duped into believing their offspring will get a better life or sometimes simply threatened.

Given the stranglehold that extreme religion has in Saudi Arabia, I personally believe that there is very little chance of Saudi Arabia becoming part of the 21st century culturally, although the Christian Science Monitor is optimistic:
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia is edging closer to setting a minimum age for marriage, a Justice Ministry official was quoted as saying on Wednesday, following international criticism of cases of child brides.
Unfortunately, it is noted in the same article that as recently as 2009 Saudi courts refused to nullify the marriage of an 8-year-old girl to a 58-year-old man.

It appears, moreover, that Saudi Arabia cannot even bring itself to specify an exact age for a girl to be marriageable.

And, in 2011, the Guardian asks Why is no one protecting Saudi Arabia's child brides?:

Atgaa, 10, and her sister Reemya, 8, are about to be married to men in their 60s. Atgaa will be her husband's fourth wife. Their wedding celebrations are scheduled for this week and will take place in the town of Fayaadah Abban in Qasim, Saudi Arabia.

The girls are getting married because their financially struggling father needs the money that their dowries will provide: young girls of this age can fetch as much as $40,000 each.

Many readers might be shocked at this news. How can it be legal? The answer is that Saudi Arabia has no minimum age for marriage, and it is perfectly legal to marry even an hour-old child.

Meanwhile, the CS Monitor goes bravely forward to discuss the five most dangerous locales for women.

The five most dangerous locales according to TrustLaw, an organization that provides legal aid and information on women's rights:

Surprisingly, Somalia is fifth on the list, for the usual reasons: warfare, poverty, religion, contributing factors to high maternal mortality rates, a high prevalence of rape, female genital mutilation, and child marriage.

The surprising fourth nation, India: female feticide (selective abortion and infanticide), child marriage, women trafficking, and domestic servitude.

The third, Pakistan, because of deeply entrenched cultural, tribal, and religious norms which lay the required grounds for child marriage and forced marriage.

Ranking second is the Democratic Republic of the Congo because of its ferociously high rate of sexual violence, this nation is probably the rape capitol of the world.

Ranking first, Afghanistan: health risks, nonsexual violence, economic discrimination, ongoing warfare, NATO airstrikes, cultural practices

Poverty, War, Religion and Tribalism. The Unholy Four Horsemen of tyranny over women. Especially grossly patriarchal religion.

Come to think of it, the foul, unholy mouth of Rush Limbaugh could be added to the Four Horsemen to create the Most Unholy Pentagram of Evil Towards Women.

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  •  Tipped and rec'd (7+ / 0-)

    Afraid to break rules, so I won't say more

    "Stupid is as stupid does" - The republican motto you can believe in as they live it daily!

    by Mannie on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:36:22 PM PDT

    •  yeah me too. (3+ / 0-)
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      Mannie, marina, Lonely Texan

      Though, if we would just unhook from our damn oil addiction we could face this situation objectively and demand some kind of human rights interventions in countries where "child brides" are common.  

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:48:18 PM PDT

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      •  sadly and unbelievably that is what we were (2+ / 0-)
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        bluedust, Lonely Texan

        trying to do in iraq: create a modern secular state from which we could leverage our position in the region by being able to forgo saudi oil.

        eveb as we doled out viagra in exchange for information, to afghanu warlords and tribal leaders.

        that crazy george bush and big dick cheney: fucking up things well  into mid-century!

        Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounding yourself with a-holes - William Gibson.

        by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 06:08:10 PM PDT

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      •  You bet they can! (1+ / 0-)
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        young girls of this age can fetch as much as $40,000 each.
        Shocking!

        Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

        by rebel ga on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:20:42 PM PDT

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  •  I had a neighbor in college from Saudi.. I don't ( (6+ / 0-)
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    G2geek, Mannie, Smoh, Joieau, a2nite, crose

    know if she survived her return to Saudi to fight for females but I really liked her for her intelligence and guts and morality... Too often what is called morality are rules to convince females in allowing males to divy up the cows amongst themselves. It is like drugging the feed of a herd to make them complacent to their own butchering in the abbatoirs.
    Personally while i love my husband and son I find I would rather fight to the death then to submit to male desires and hungers masquerading as high morals. Especially since most of thier beliefs are from dreams of god speaking to them... Do they not even see how the conversations may be actually with thier sex organs lit up by testosterone... They condemn over half the human race to penis appliances without regard to benefit to the species or to the earth itself. In my opinion males like this clown are simply closer to the animal but using civilization to ensure they come out on top without really having to work for it and without constant threat of death from male competition for resources... So they invent religions to make rules for women to follow so they can apportion them out amongst males. For the females compliance they promise safety and support for raising offspring.. To some women that is adequate while they ignore all the abuse heaped on them and thier children by these males who now are pushing the envelope further towards a masturbatory fantasy that ends with them in control of a planet of virgins who I guess disappear once they are devirginized.... Sure that would become boring eventually without other males to strut in front of and without any reason to keep around thier vicitms... I see many of these religious jerks as really sick F%*&(

    Proud Slut...Fear is the Mind Killer

    by boophus on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:38:24 PM PDT

    •  it's the culture that oppresses not the men (0+ / 0-)

      just like it's the culture that oppresses black and brown Americans not the white men of America. Indeed some black and brown people support their own oppression, they internalize it.

      /If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer/. Thoreau

      by hron on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 02:00:15 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, the culture of obedience persuades (1+ / 0-)
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        us that obedience is a virtue, when it's really abuse. An autonomous self-directed person is not coerced to obey.

        However, if females are not obedient receptive vessels, how are males to protect their sperm?

        The "precious bodily fluids" have become largely unmentionable, but still influence male minds.  What contraception and family planning and abortion and homosexual unions all have in common is disrespect for the sperm.

        People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

        by hannah on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 02:55:32 PM PDT

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      •  The culture derives from the males and thier (1+ / 0-)
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        hormonal drives. When we rose from primitivism they embedded the 'brutes bargain' into the culture like Chrisitanity embedded Paganism into its culture... Hence the Christmas tree, gifts, Santa, etc. It is a way of taking the most powerful aspects and making the eater stronger. THe republicans even today do this by calling the president a Nazi or Limbaugh calling feminists 'feminazis'

        I am not attacking men. I am attacking the remnants of  embedding in many cultures... there is a variance as to how those cultures have worked on removing that which has embedded one sexes needs, fears and drives  as paramount while giving the other sex faint benefits when you consider rape, sex abuse of children, physical abuse, familial murders, abandonment of support commitments, forced pregnancy, resistance to women having a choice whose sperm fertilizes thier eggs, reserving earning power to males only so that females must submit to live... These are only a few ways that cultures keep women as livestock that they determine the use of. To some women it is bettert ohave rules that give them some protections if they follow the commands of the rulers to the point they will physically support that domination by damaging thier own daughters. (foot binding, clitorectomies, looking away from pedophilia)

        I personally think men are better then this if they can be made to see that what they want in all its exaggerations and imaginations is not necessarily moral or even good for the species. I would make that argument for those cultures where women dominate though they have been few and far between for millenia. The take down of the nuns power in the middle ages is the last time I am aware that women had as a group significant power. In fact, I know many women who are absolute jerks in thier attitudes to not only other women (thier competitors in thier puny animal minds) but to thier own children and men.  

        I think we are at a crossroads as to the potential survival  of our species.  It is important for population control without die backs or wars (for resources) or simply degraded lives for a large %age to let women control thier own bodies. I think that the same attitudes towards women on the part of not only men but women is what leads us to practice the economic system we do and to see the Earth as a resource to treat like we do livestock. In fact, even though I am a meat eater I find current livestock practices inhumane and so I am eating far less meat.

        Some cultures are stuck in a undefensible position that to me is IMMORAL but beneficial to a few (most cases powerful old males) and what is known/supported by all culture warriors even if it means that thier culture will go extinct by its own actions.

        The culture is the plot (so to speak) of righteousness claims to benefits nad rights but it is men (and a large minority of women who I think are afraid if the rules are changed men will get worse)who are its foot soldiers when they slap thier wives around, rape the girl who says no at the end of a date or pass laws to make rape by medical devices legal. Just as the culture is the plot but whites are the foot soldiers and warriors to defend that plot. I am not painting all men as immoral just those who are most zealous in thier defense of thier wants to the point they calim those wants are HOLy and moral.

        Proud Slut...Fear is the Mind Killer

        by boophus on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 03:13:08 PM PDT

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      •  Sorry, that's just a way to let men off the hook. (0+ / 0-)

        The truth is these are highly paternalistic cultures and the culture is defined by the patriarchs (by definition that means MEN).  These cultural customs and attitudes go back to the earliest civilizations and beyond when they may have been of some benefit for the survival of the tribe. And then of course there is the fear these early patriarchs had of those female mysteries they couldn't control; the awesome ability to produce offspring and the murky issue of fatherhood (how can I be sure this is MY child). And besides all that, it's really kind of pleasant to have a culturally acceptable (legal) wife or wives (in some circumstances one could substitute the word slave here) to attend to all your needs.
        In those early days, our smaller size, our female musculature, and the constant 3yr cycle of pregnancy, birth and lactation made us vulnerable and dependent.  So where did the power go? To the head males, of course.  Then, just for good measure, the patriarch decided to throw some religion into the mix.  And who were the prophets? MEN of course.  And who interpreted all the rules the prophets revealed that kept women subservient? MEN, again.
        And what have we learned over the eons?  Once a group has enjoyed POWER, they don't want to give it up.
        No, we can't let men off the hook that easy, whether they are Mullahs, or Ayatollahs, or sheiks, or dictators, or generals, or tribal leaders, or Bishops, or rabbis, or priests, or Senators, or Congressmen.

  •  And we're on our way to joining these countries (4+ / 0-)
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    given the increasing policy attacks on women here at home.

    •  so here's a test: (4+ / 0-)
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      A national age-of-marriage law in the US, setting the age uniformly at 18, with an exception for 17-year-olds whose intended spouse is no older than 21, with the consent of parents and forbidding any "consideration" e.g. money for their consent.

      That will either pass without much debate, or bring some interesting animals out of the woodwork to oppose it.  

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:47:02 PM PDT

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  •  seriously (0+ / 0-)

    wanting to marry a 10 year old girl is about wanting to fuck a boy..because 10 year only girls are not fully formed women and does must resemble a boy at that stage.

    /If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer/. Thoreau

    by hron on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:48:41 PM PDT

  •  make no mistake what we're talking about here: (3+ / 0-)
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    Countries in which 50% of humans (females) are property and in which pedophilia is not just approved but  enforced by law.  

    This stuff goes right past my pacifism limits.

    However it might be helpful to start having loud noisy demonstrations any time Saudi Royals show up in the US for any reason at all.  Signs with big photos of some of these "married couples" could be particularly effective at getting on TV.  

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:55:05 PM PDT

  •  I so agree with this diary (2+ / 0-)
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    Tipped and rec'd.  I find female infanticide and child marriage abhorrent.  If these men would spend half as much time trying to improve living conditions and politics in their countries as they spend oppressing the female sex, they'd be a lot better off.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 02:00:07 PM PDT

  •  I'm with you Karen (0+ / 0-)

    I do not like Arabia or for that matter some of its neighbors.
    But at the same time, I want to let them alone. And when America wakes up to the fact we can live without their oil, I expect the Arabs will suddenly become much more cooperative people, though they will never be civilized by our standards.
        Meanwhile, you might like to know that Harry S. Truman once said, speaking of the Arabians: "To get their attention you have to hit them between the eyes with a two-by-four!"
         And he was right!

  •  We love slavery nt (0+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 04:14:37 PM PDT

  •  There are so many ways to go here. (0+ / 0-)

    Religion, espeacially organizied religions, are all about control. Give me what I want or God/dess will strike thee dead at some point in time which I will then show as the divine will manifested.  

    When the populace is uneducated this easy to sell as "truth". Thus a 58 year old dirt bag can say that its ok for another old dirt bag to consumate a marriage to an eight year old female.

    To really get those leaders attention on this is an impossible task. Trust me I've been there and there is no way you are going to change hearts and minds on this  one.

    Those countries remain in the 10th century for a reason. They will not acknowledge that 51% of their population is able to far more than what they are are currently "allowed" to. Think about it. If our country  wants to remain a superpower we need talented women. Lots of them.

    If you really want to fix the little red wagons all over the mid east its to turn of the oil spigot with an alternative way to produve power in multiple ways. When you don't have the money to export terrorism, it becomes far less of a threat. Leave them to thier kitty litterbox. That is where you will hurt the Saudis and the rest of the oil producers.

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