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    Perhaps Mitt Romney thinks that eating sliced up bananas on a sandwich is equal to eating banana bread?  Or, perhaps Mitt Romney is intentionally deceitful with his game of semantics during his Etch-A-Sketch Moments?

     Mitt's Political Adviser, Eric Fehrnstrom is 100% wrong when he falsely said, "Obama took Romney's advise on Auto Bailout" as Mitt Romney's "Advice" was to not give the Auto Industry a Federal Loan while Obama's did. And, Romney's "Advice" would have enabled a Foreign Corporation to take-over American Auto Companies and Obama's did not.  So why is Mitt Romney so confused about his own 2008 Auto Bankruptcy "Advice?"  

Is Mitt trying to "Steal" Obama's Auto Rescue Plan and now claim it as his own?

     To be clear: Other than simply having the word, "Bankruptcy" included in the Auto Rescue Plan, Mitt Romney's Definition of Bankruptcy Plan was not, I repeat, not anything even remotely like Obama's Auto Rescue Plan that the Auto Industry entered into which saved American jobs during the Great Recession.

2008 President-elect Obama Auto Rescue Plan:

- Federal Loan To Auto in order to operate while restructuring
- Federal Loan to Auto during Restructuring so no Foreign Corporation Could take over American Auto Companies.
- Restructure management,
- Retool engineering to manufacture fuel efficient cars
- To avoid Court-Bankruptcy procedures without Federal Loans During the Great Recession.
- If need-be, and since Auto would have Federal Loan, Broker pre-bankruptcy deals for both companies with the major stakeholders.

Mitt Romney's 2008 Bankruptcy Plan:

- NO Federal Loan to Auto Industry so Auto could continue operating during restructuring
- NO Federal Bailout Money to Auto Industry so Auto could continue operating during restructuring
- Let Foreign Auto Corporations buy up American Auto Companies, if need-be
Notice, two key differences between Obama's Plan and Romney's "advice":
     First Key Difference: Obama's Plan always including making sure the Auto Industry had money in order to continue operations during Restructuring, while Mitt Romney's Plan did not.  And that, my friend, is a huge difference as Obama's Plan guarantee Americans would remain employed and Mitt Romney's did not.

    Second Key Difference: Mitt Romney's Plan included a Foreign Corporation taking over and buying out American Auto Companies and Obama's Plan did not.  And again, that my friend, is also a huge difference as Obama's Plan guarantee Americans would remain employed and Mitt Romney's did not.

     November 20, 2008 Mitt Romney told Neal Cavuto of Fox that Foreign Corporations may buy American Auto Companies

CAVUTO: On a day, Governor, we had this huge sell-off, do you think, partly on fears that Washington's out of control?

MITT ROMNEY (R), FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOVERNOR: Well, I think it's mostly on fears that the economy is out of control. And — and there's real reason for that.

"CAVUTO: The history of companies that file for bankruptcy in a recession is not very good. Usually, most of them fail outright. Those that fail, or go into bankruptcy, and the cuts by the slowdown, can come out of it. Continental comes to mind, as an example ... Your dad ran American Motors, and we ultimately know that, company went into the arms of Chrysler, that later went into the arms of Daimler-Benz, and then on its own again. My point is that markets have, if not a cold, but a very efficient means in handling this sort of thing. Do they not?

ROMNEY: Oh, they sure do, and that's precisely why I am saying, no to a bailout, yes to work-out.


ROMNEY: Work with the industry. There may be a merger in the future, perhaps. There may be a merger with a foreign company.

~ Romney Interview with Neal Cavuto

    It is no secret that Mitt Romney's Business Model has always included shipping American Jobs overseas and letting Foreign Corporations take over American Companies -- so Mitt's 2008 comment to Cavuto should come as no surprise.  But last week, did Mitt Romney and his campaign try to steal Obama's Auto Rescue Plan - then claim it as his own?

    Dates are important here in order to make my point that, suddenly, in General Election 2012, Mitt Romney is trying to "steal" President Obama's actual Auto Rescue Plan and claim it as his own.  

     Therefore, remember, before November 18, 2008 President-elect Obama's Auto Rescue Plan always included:

    Giving a Federal Loan to Auto so they may continue operations during Restructuring and Retooling so that Americans could continue to stay employed.  And, Obama's Plan, via the Federal Loan, always guaranteed American Auto Companies would not be taken over by a Foreign Corporation - which also guaranteed Americans would stay employed during the Great Recession.  
    Conversely, and 180 degrees opposite from Obama's Plan, on November 18, 2008 and after Mitt Romney's plan only, only comprised of:
    No Federal Loan to Auto Industry even if it meant they had to stop all operations during Restructure and thousands of Americans losing their jobs.  And, Mitt Romney's plan including the notion that a Foreign Corporation could buy American Auto Companies which would put Americas at risk of losing their jobs during the Great Recession.

     Timeline of President-Elect Obama's Auto Rescue Plan:
November 10, 2008

"Obama Asks Bush to Provide Help for Automakers" By JACKIE CALMES

     Mr. Obama has signaled to the automakers and the unions that his support for
short-term aid now, and long-term assistance once he takes office, is contingent on their willingness to agree to transform their industry to make cleaner, more energy-efficient vehicles.

     Mr. Obama said he would instruct his economic team, once he chooses it, to devise a long-range plan for helping the auto industry recover in a way that is part of an energy and environmental policy to reduce reliance on foreign oil and address climate change.

     Mr. Obama has called on the Bush administration to accelerate $25 billion in federal loans provided by a recent law specifically to help automakers retool.

~ New York Times

Keywords: "Retool," "long range plan," "transform their industry" which are all part of Managed Bankruptcy.

November 11, 2008

CANDY CROWLEY: Sources on the Obama transition team say the president-elect urged President Bush to take quick action to help the auto industry. Obama thinks the aid could be coupled with ... someone with the authority to push for industry reforms he has talked about recently.

SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D-IL), PRESIDENT-ELECT: I have made it a high priority for my transition team to work on additional policy options to help the auto industry adjust, weather the financial crisis, and succeed in producing fuel-efficient cars.
~ CNN Transcript

November 12, 2008
If Congress falls short on the auto industry loans during the lame-duck session next week, the Obama administration has promised there will be strings attached to a bailout for Detroit.

~Politico By Patrick O'Connor & Ryan Grim

CNN Reported:
President-elect Obama is weighing in quietly. I mean, we do know that he was urging President Bush about the auto industry, that he talked to him about a car czar, sort of overlooking improvements in how the auto industry does business and what it produces. He's also talked to the leadership on Capitol Hill about what he'd like to see in some of these packages.
November 16, 2008
OBAMA: "my hope is that over the course of the next week, between the White House and Congress, the discussions are shaped around providing assistance but making sure that that assistance is conditioned on labor, management, suppliers, lenders, all the stakeholders coming together with a plan ... So that we are creating a bridge loan to somewhere as opposed to a bridge loan to nowhere. And that's, I think, what you haven't yet seen."

~ CBS 60 Minute Interview
   In that same 60 Minute Interview, Mr Kroft asked Obama about Bankruptcy for Auto.

KROFT: Are there a lot of people that think that the country would probably be better off and General Motors might be better off if it was allowed to go into bankruptcy?

OBAMA: Well, you know, under normal circumstances that might be the case in the sense that you'd go to a restructuring like the airlines had to do in some cases. And then they come out and they're still a viable operation. And they're operating even during the course of bankruptcy. In this situation, you could see the spigot completely shut off so that it would not potentially permit GM to get back on its feet. And I think that what we have to do is to recognize."
~ CBS 60 Minute Interview

November 17, 2008
    When asked if a bankruptcy declaration by any of the auto companies would be acceptable to the White House, [Dana Perino] responded that would be "the companies' decision."

     President-elect Barack Obama supports direct aid for the Big Three, but he has said taxpayers should be protected too. The hangup is whether to insist that loans or loan guarantees be conditioned upon an assessment of "financial viability" over the next 10 years as under the Energy Department loan guarantee program or not, as under TARP.

November 18, 2008
Mitt Romney Writes: "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt"
"Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" By Mitt Romney

     IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed.

     Without that bailout, Detroit will need to drastically restructure itself. With it, the automakers will stay the course — the suicidal course of declining market shares, insurmountable labor and retiree burdens, technology atrophy, product inferiority and never-ending job losses. Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.

     [D]on’t ask Washington to give shareholders and bondholders a free pass — they bet on management and they lost.  A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs."

     Notice, Romney is adamant in 2008 when he pens do not give Auto Industry one penny during Bankruptcy even if it meant Americans lose their jobs during the Great Recession.

Fast-Forward to 2012 GOP Primary Election

    February 13, 2008 - Another Mitt Romney Op-Ed

"Taxpayers Should Get GM Shares' Proceeds" - By: MITT ROMNEY

     This was crony capitalism on a grand scale. The President tells us that without his intervention things in Detroit would be worse. I believe that without his intervention things there would be better.

     Before the companies were allowed to enter and exit bankruptcy, the U.S. government swept in with an $85 billion sweetheart deal disguised as a rescue plan. By the spring of 2009, instead of the free market doing what it does best, we got a major taste of crony capitalism, Obama-style.

     Such a state of affairs is intolerable, and as president I would not tolerate it.

~ Excerpts from another Mitt Romney Op-Ed Dated 2/13/2012

    February 14, 2012:
From Detroit News:
"Romney wrote that the government’s rescue of the American auto companies amounted to “crony capitalism on a grand scale” and argued that G.M. should have gone through a Chapter 11 bankruptcy without taxpayer assistance."
    Remember, in 2008, Mitt Romeny said "Yes" on $700 Billion [TARP] for white collar bankers.  But, in 2008 and still in 2012, Mitt Romney would "not tolerate" Loaning Auto Industry two percent of that ($17 Billion) for blue collar American workers to stay on assembly line during Restructuring.

     In fact, on March 20, 2012, Mitt Romney credited Bush/Cheney's TARP funding to Bankers as saving the US Economy:

    At a town hall in Arbutus, Maryland.
ROMNEY: "I keep hearing the president say he's responsible for keeping the country out of a Great Depression.  No, no, no, that was President George W. Bush and [then-Treasury Secretary] Hank Paulson."

     Even now, Mitt Romney thinks Bush/Cheney giving Bankers $700 Billion Taxpayer Dollars (TARP) saved America but loaning the Auto Industry funds so they may operate during Restructuring is "not to be tolerated."

     Mitt Romney is lying with the aid of his Etch-A-Sketch Lens, and falsely claiming that Obama used Mitt Romney's Bankruptcy "Advice" and that it was Mitt's Bankruptcy Plan that saved the Auto industry.

     Even worse than Mitt Romney lying is that Romney seems almost pathological with his lies as it appears that Mitt Romney is trying to "Steal" President Obama's Auto Rescue Plan and claim it as his own.

     ... because as we can see, facts clearly show President Obama's Auto Rescue Plan is not even remotely close to anything Mitt Romney "Advised" Congress to do in 2008 or 2012.

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  •  Lets let the Meh Romney (2+ / 0-)

    campaign wholly embrace this one for a while. If we just let it slide this stupid little trial ballon might turn into a campaign ending blunder. If Romney wins it's because he stole the election. There's no fucking way people can take this guy seriously. I refuse to admit half the country is that stupid.

    Lo que separa la civilizacion de la anarquia son solo siete comidas.

    by psilocynic on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 07:53:28 AM PDT

    •  I have only three words for you: (7+ / 0-)

      Bush's Second Term...

      If you play Microsoft CD's backwards, you hear satanic things, but that's nothing, because if you play them forwards, they install Windows.

      by Unit Zero on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 11:16:06 AM PDT

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    •  Sadly, Romney's argument is a winner for 40+% (2+ / 0-)
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      of the American public.  On the other side, the slightly less than half of the American public that is not that stupid will look on in amazement and disgust as our Presidential election turns on that few percent who don't know now, and seem to be confused about what Romney said and did just a few months ago in the Michigan primary.  If they missed that show, they should have been able to see some of Romney's record over the six years he has been running for President, mostly as a "severely" conservative loon.  On and on this campaign will go, with lies upon lies to confuse the low information independents and discourage voters likely to support Democrats.  It will get worse, much worse.  Our political class thinks this really is the best politics money can buy - it must be because there is one hell of a lot of money behind it and not much for anything else.  

    •  All that Citizens United money sloshing around (0+ / 0-)

      will have an unpredictable effect.

      I hope that in the end it may not have much effect because all they can do with the money is buy ads.  I think the Republicans' official campaign won't be able to use super PAC money to pay for grass roots organizing.  The best they can do is leave the ads to the Super Pacs and concentrate their money on GOTV but I think their party structure is rotting and they can't do much of that effectively.  

      Here's an article from Wonkette about the MN Republicans getting evicted from their headquarters for not paying their rent.

      I'd love to know how many other state parties are having those kinds of money woes.  

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 04:09:23 PM PDT

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  •  Excellent timeline. Thank you. n/t (4+ / 0-)
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    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 07:56:23 AM PDT

  •  Project ur faults on BO, claim his wins really urs (4+ / 0-)

    Along with a heaping helping of sorrogate's making dog whistles and Rove et al blasting hundreds of millions of lies on TV... that's Mr. 1%s entire GE campaign in a nutshell.

    'Cause its all he's got.  Bain's vulture capitalism is toxic.  The 'Olympic Savior' was the taxpayers not Willard.  He won't even mention being governor of Mass., nor would I if I was 47th in job creation and raised taxes while cutting services to most.  And did I mention, he is the living embodiment fo the 1%?

    Hell, the man lies about his 1st name.

    The WH better have a whole ad campaign labeled 'Truth' planned, causing the public is going to be very confused and just might buy the b/s if he just relies on the media to correct the deluge of lies coming.

  •  No He DID Steal It. Not Trying, He Did It. nt (3+ / 0-)
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    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 08:24:08 AM PDT

  •  Is the media going to call him out on this? (2+ / 0-)
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    Lemme guess...NO!

    When the operation of the machine becomes so odious that you can't take part,you've got to put your bodies upon the gears;you got to make it stop.Indicate to the people who run it that unless you're free the machine will be prevented from working at all

    by YoungArizonaLiberal on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 10:57:44 AM PDT

  •  Mitt Did not Propose the special Tax treatment (1+ / 0-)
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    for GM.

    General Motors Co. will drive away from its U.S.-government-financed restructuring with a final gift in its trunk: a tax break that could be worth as much as $45 billion.

    Mitt did not propose this unusual corporate tax benefit.

    In addition, this $45 billion is a large share of the economic assistance that GM has received and is an essential part of their good profit performance after tax (as GM does not pay US income taxes, and will not for several years).

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 11:52:03 AM PDT

    •  From the article (0+ / 0-)

      you link:

      The tax benefit stems from so-called tax-loss carry-forwards and other provisions, which allow companies to use losses in prior years and costs related to pensions and other expenses to shield profits from U.S. taxes for up to 20 years. In GM's case, the losses stem from years prior to when GM entered bankruptcy.

      Usually, companies that undergo a significant change in ownership risk having major restrictions put on their tax benefits. The U.S. bailout of GM, in which the Treasury took a 61% stake in the company, ordinarily would have resulted in GM having such limits put on its tax benefits, according to tax experts.

      The government's rationale, said people familiar with the situation, is that the profit-shielding tax credit makes the bailed-out companies more attractive to investors, and that the value of the benefit is greater than the lost tax payments, especially since the tax payments would not exist if the companies fail.

       It sounds to me like a good deal for the taxpayers...

      "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

      by happy camper on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 01:06:22 PM PDT

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  •  The problem is, Mitt's base believes it. (1+ / 0-)
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    The "Right" is really, really good at framing the message, cutting the corners, denying the quotes ... and completely retelling history. If you don't look to any source than Fox and the WSJ editorial page, what the GOP says is probably what you think is true.

    But the good news is that if we simplify our pushback - a big if; we want to say everything we can think of! - those voters who are not bought-and-paid for in the GOP base can be exposed to what's correct, not "Right."

    Obama and strong Democratic majorities in 2012!

    by TRPChicago on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 11:52:57 AM PDT

  •  yes they are (0+ / 0-)
    Because there are damn liars and then there's 'Meh' Mitt Romney
    Mitt's Signature Recommendation "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt"

    Sometimes the sheer magnitude of the Romney campaign's lies are almost breathtaking.

    You wouldn't think anybody could lie as brazenly, as insultingly as arrogantly as these people do.

    Mitt Romney made millions from the businesses he destroyed. IF HE WINS WE LOSE.

    Video Link  

    The Romney's are the GOP's favorite vulture capitalists.

    Flop Campaign PR

    The purpose of Mr. Romney's op-ed is to clarity his position on the auto bail-out ahead of Michigan's primary.  

    And the piece rivals Cirque du Soleil in its display of contortions.

    The federal government "has no business tampering in" giving loans to citizens so that they may obtain an education, gain knowledge and improve their economic productivity. That's socialism. - Rep. Todd Akin R-MO

    by anyname on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 11:59:56 AM PDT

  •  This is way too confusing for a re-election (0+ / 0-)


    Most Americans were in a daze of confusion when the banking crisis hit then followed by the auto industry meltdown.

    You need to be able to explain it in a couple of sentences, and it is impossible to do so.

    Free market folks will take Romney at his word that GM and Chrysler would have done just as well going through structured bankruptcy.

    Those that are prone to believe Obama will believe his was the only way.

    And to confuse things even further, President Obama wasn't even in office for the first three months of the whole auto  bailout affair.  Much of it was done by Bush, even if Obama was putting in his 2 cents from the sidelines.

    Any explanation, either pro-Obama or pro-Romney, will never convince more than a handful of people to swing their vote.

    Obama needs to simply keep saying, we bailed out Detroit, and it worked. It mostly has, except for the alternative energy cars - they have been a failure so far if sales numbers mean anything.

    •  Bush fronted up (0+ / 0-)

      just enough cash so nobody could say the US auto industry died on his watch. The actual final plan was Obama's.

      "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

      by happy camper on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 12:36:03 PM PDT

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      •  Also, (0+ / 0-)

        There were no strings attached to Bush's $ to automakers. So, they quickly burned through that cash & returned for more w/ nothing to show for it.  It was the Obama administration who famously made every party involved "take a haircut" includingin the unions & stockholders.

    •  Obama must make Mitt explain the difference. (0+ / 0-)

      Just keep repeating and showing the headline where Mitt said, "Let Detroit go bankrupt."

      Force him to explain.

    •  One very simple tell (0+ / 0-)

      The man wrote an op ed.  It was entitled "let Detroit go banktrupt" and included the sentence "if this bailout goes through, Detroit is dead"

      Can any one seriously pretend that Mitt was doing anything but very publicly and ostentatiously staking out a position opposed to Obama?

      He was betting on failure.  He was betting that the industry could not be saved, that the O admin would try and be embarassed, and he would have this bold I-told-you-so to campaign on.

      He was, plain and simple, trying to get himself a moment comparable to Obama's early opposition to the War in Iraq.

      The guy chose sides, rolled the dice, and lost.  For him now to take credit for Obama's success is obscene.

      That really is a simple story to tell.

  •  This is typical Karl Rove! (2+ / 0-)
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    Take the strength of the opposition, then use it against them.  Claim the opponent's strength as your own.

    It looks like Karl Rove is running this campaign as W's 3rd Term.

    Impeach Grover Norquist! Defeat a Republican!

    by NM Ray on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 12:26:52 PM PDT

  •  You forgot another (0+ / 0-)

    important difference: Mitt's plan would have destroyed both the pension plan and the UAW. The labor agreements would have been gone. Living wage and benefits? Gone. Retiree medical care, gone. Pensions earned through a lifetime of work would have become the responsibility of the government. The overburdened PBGA would have needed an infusion of taxpayer money to keep operating. Hundreds of thousands of retirees would have found themselves with half a pension, or less, unable to pay their bills.

    Not keeping the company operating during the restructuring would have brought down a significant number of suppliers, the same ones that Ford and the foreign transplant operations also depend upon. This in turn would have cost hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of jobs from the ripple effect, and could even have forced Ford and the US operations of Toyota into bankruptcy. The damage to the economy would have been enormous.

    Romney simply saw an opportunity for his vulture capitalist buddies to cash in, and he was pissed when the company and it's workers were protected from being picked clean and thrown on the trash heap. Mitt's non-plan would have been a disaster.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 12:54:40 PM PDT

  •  There is no nice way to say this Mitt (2+ / 0-)
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    is a good for nothing F---ing liar along with a cheat and a thief  this pile of garbage wants to be president. Just goes to show how far down the sewer pipe the Republican have gone that this is the best they have to offer

  •  Democratic prez-USA GETS BINLADEN (0+ / 0-)


    seems like an easy choice

  •  Mitt Romney wants to "be like Barack" or be Barack (0+ / 0-)

    Remember the "be like Mike" commercials?  Mitt Romney wants to be likeable, relatable, have a record (any record) for getting things done and right (for once) on policy.  We know he (and his campaign) will lie about any thing and every thing. So it's not surprising that they want to be like the President so much that they are co-opting his record and claiming it as their own.  They must have heard the "if you can't beat them join them" saying wrong.  It's join them not be them.

  •  yes (0+ / 0-)

    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
    Real journalists know that lies do not bring "balance" to truth! (h/t elwior)

    by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 02:59:43 PM PDT

  •  Link to Fehrnstrom (0+ / 0-)

    Perhaps you should link to an article that discusses what Fehrnstrom said. It took me way too long to figure out what your point was.

    Congress shall make no law abridging the right of the people peaceably to assemble.

    by edg on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 03:20:21 PM PDT

  •  The only idea Obama got from Romney EVER (0+ / 0-)

    was health care.  He doesn't seem quite so likely to take credit for that.

    "Forever is composed of nows." Emily Dickinson

    by Leftovers on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 03:52:04 PM PDT

    •  so true and so funny (0+ / 0-)

      The guy had one accomplishment, one thing he did in elected office that succeeded.

      and it was just his bad damn awful luck, that his opponent adopted that plan, and his party decided said plan is actually evil incarnate

      and he has to run like hell from it

  •  I hope they allow the use of videos (0+ / 0-)

    in the debate so that they can showcase just what Romney said.  Let. it. go. bankrupt.

    •  If you showed the videos... (0+ / 0-)

      ...and the "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" headline, you'd also prove one big thing about Mitt Romney. To borrow something Rachel Maddow said, even given the low standards American politicians are held to, Mitt Romney's constant lying falls even below them. He lies all the time and he even lies when he doesn't have to. This is not about mere flip-flopping. This is about a serial habit of blatently lying about anything and everything. Mitt Romney cannot be trusted by ANYONE, period, to be president.

      "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

      by alaprst on Tue May 01, 2012 at 09:15:31 AM PDT

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  •  Mitt Romney's (0+ / 0-)

    etch-a-sketch is on acid.

    "...on the (catch a) human network. Cisco."

    by hoplite9 on Tue May 01, 2012 at 02:08:07 AM PDT

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