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Many of you already know that on Tuesday North Carolinians will go to the polls to vote on the "Same Sex Marriage Amendment" and, if they are Republicans, to vote in the GOP primary for the other bigots of their choice.  

The wording of this Amendment to Article 14 of the North Carolina Constitution is as follows:  

Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State. This section does not prohibit a private party from entering into contracts with another private party; nor does this section prohibit courts from adjudicating the rights of private parties pursuant to such contracts.
This morning our Sunday Newspaper carried the following full page advertisement...

Picture, if you will, a full page black and white profile picture of a sincere, dignified-looking, white-maned Billy Graham accompanied by the following text:

At 93, I never thought we would have to debate the definition of marriage.  The Bible is clear--God's definition of marriage is between a man and a woman.  I want to urge my fellow North Carolinians to vote FOR the marriage Amendment on Tuesday, May 8.

God Bless you as you vote,
BillY Graham
Montreat, N.C.
(Paid For by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association)

If you're interested in reading more about this odious legislation and who supports it and who opposes it you can go here:  Amendment One

My thoughts are as follows:  If this Amendment passes, not only will North Carolina citizens publicly display amazing bigotry to the rest of the world, it will prove that the first Republican controlled legislature in 100 years is nothing but a nest of vipers hell bent on destroying all the progress made in this country in the past 100 years.   I suspect many businesses and individuals will finally realize "elsewhere" is a more desirable place to live, work, or create jobs.  Buh-bye, North Carolina.

And, Billy Graham will, like many of his ilk, today cements himself among the ranks of those famously described by Christopher Hitchens as

"if he'd had an enema before he died, he could have been buried in a match box."
Finally, to my knowledge, God herself never wrote one word of the Bible.

I hope this Amendment fails.  I hope Billy Graham gets his comeuppance somewhere, somehow.  I hope North Carolinians are better than the political "conservatives" promoting this garbage.   BTW, this amendment is just rubbing salt into the wound because same-sex marriage is already illegal in North Carolina.

Originally posted to Persiflage on Sun May 06, 2012 at 10:34 AM PDT.

Also republished by LGBT Kos Community and Angry Gays.

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  •  For some reason only this wording is on the ballot (5+ / 0-)
    Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State.
    while this part is not:
    This section does not prohibit a private party from entering into contracts with another private party; nor does this section prohibit courts from adjudicating the rights of private parties pursuant to such contracts.
    It is seriously stupid for this to even be on the ballot, and I said so out loud when I voted yesterday.
    •  The Bible is not clear (8+ / 0-)

      in fact, the old testament allows polygamy and mistresses, and this continue through the times of Jesus. Old Mormanism the same verses to justify polygamy. But never mind that, eh, Billy? never mind that yo are using the Word of God to justify your phobias and prejudices, and never mind that you go out of your way to ignore what Jesus told you to do.

      "Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government" T. Jefferson

      by azureblue on Sun May 06, 2012 at 11:34:00 AM PDT

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      •  Alas, the Bible (4+ / 0-)

        lends itself well to smorgasbord religion, because it reflects the culturally colored morality of a series of authors over a thousand years. And if there's anything the most loudmouth Christian cultists hate most, it's that Jesus guy...

        There are tens of millions of Christians who are not flaming bigots, and who try to live their lives according to the supervenient commandment to love God, and love each other. Everything else is politics.

        The five voting members of my household are voting NO. The young'uns are having a camp-out this weekend, we've hit all the friends with the need to vote, and vote NO. Hope they will, it's ridiculously hard to get college kids to vote, for some reason...

    •  I think it means that (0+ / 0-)

      if two same-sex  or heterosexual individuals enter into some written "contract" that defines their relationship. this amendment would not void that contract.   There would simply not be any of the legal rights and privileges ordinarily conferred by "marriage."

      I'm not able to give any examples...perhaps others can.

      The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

      by Persiflage on Sun May 06, 2012 at 11:45:33 AM PDT

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      •  I was thinking it might allow companies (1+ / 0-)
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        Persiflage

        to offer domestic partner benefits.  I don't know if that would not extend to health insurance, since that is so highly regulated and may thus depend on legally recognized relationships.

        It probably allows proponents to claim that by means of legal agreements, gay couples can inherit, use powers of attorney for hospital visitation, etc.  I'm not convinced all of those things would work well in practice, and of course there's the expense.

  •  Could someone explain to me? (2+ / 0-)
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    What sentence 2 is all about?

    Sentence 1 is clear, it not only grants no legal recognition to gay marriage, but to civil unions, and heterosexual couples living together without being married to each other.

    But sentence 2 is gobblygook to me.

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

    by Navy Vet Terp on Sun May 06, 2012 at 10:50:48 AM PDT

  •  If it passes, I'd sure like the DNC to consider (9+ / 0-)

    moving the site of the Convention to a more liberal state - the nation's unions, and Democrats would prefer any place else - how about Detroit or Columbus?

    "George Washington: "The power under the Constitution will always be in the people.... and whenever it is executed contrary to their interest, or not agreeable to their wishes, their servants can, and undoubtedly will, be recalled." 1787

    by moose67 on Sun May 06, 2012 at 10:51:37 AM PDT

    •  They could get the unions back on their side (2+ / 0-)
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      Dave in Northridge, Stude Dude

      if they did.

    •  I'll try explain... (4+ / 0-)
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      The reason some conservative judges have come out against the amendment is because it is poorly written, vague, and will cause multiple future lawsuits.

      I think the repugs, idiots that they are, realized that they had made a mistake in drafting their bill and tacked on the additional statement  This section does not prohibit a private party from entering into contracts..." at the last minute after realizing their initial mistake.

      "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

      by smiley7 on Sun May 06, 2012 at 11:23:56 AM PDT

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      •  although the passing (4+ / 0-)

        would have a negative impact on gays, part of me wishes it would pass, so the blowback would happen and the idiocy of the NC GOP be exposed.

        I still cannot wrap my head around the notion that it is OK to discriminate against American citizens......... This whole thing has the stench of legislation during slavery days....

        "Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government" T. Jefferson

        by azureblue on Sun May 06, 2012 at 11:37:01 AM PDT

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        •  Respectfully, please reconsider your words... (0+ / 0-)

          You said of the homophobic NC marriage amendment:

          Although the passing would have a negative impact on gays, part of me wishes it would pass, so the blowback would happen and the idiocy of the NC GOP be exposed.
          If "gays" are replaced by a different minority, you may see that your foregoing statement is highly problematic. For instance, if this diary were about a currently proposed piece of racist legislation, I would hope that nobody would suggest anything remotely resembling what you just wrote about the LGBTQ community.

          Despite my discomfort with your comment, I would hasten to add that I don't believe you intended to be hurtful toward anybody. I'm just saying we have a ways to go before all people are spoken of with equal degrees of awareness and sensitivity.

  •  I'm sorry you all are going through this (16+ / 0-)

    This is such a shameful initiative. There is no reason why civil society has to adopt any religious definition of the term "marriage"  -- or any religion's definition of any term at all. In fact, it's unconstitutional to make any law or put anything in the Constitution based on religion!  So what Graham has done is to pull the wraps off what it's all about, maybe made it easier to challenge the proposed amendment in court if it does get enacted. But you knew that.

    As a Virginian, I can't exactly hold up my head in pride at our legislative record either, nor can I help directly. :-(

    But among others, my 84-year-old mother is looking forward to voting Tuesday against the bigotry of Amendment One, and for what it is worth, the alleged endorsement by Billy Graham isn't going to impress her one bit.

    I say alleged because it's my understanding that Billy Graham, 93, is in frail health and not entirely on top of things, so the initiator here is probably his power-loving son, Franklin.

  •  I saw a video of someone from Bank of America (5+ / 0-)

    talking about the damage this amendment could do to the state economy if it passes.  

    So, for North Carolina the choice is clear:  God or Mammon.  

    We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

    by Observerinvancouver on Sun May 06, 2012 at 11:13:53 AM PDT

  •  I think it is time to take away the tax exemption (14+ / 0-)

    from any church/organization that brings politics into, or tries to say voters.

  •  If this passes, NC deserves whatever happens (6+ / 0-)

    You're absolutely right, moose.  I don't care how much money the DNC has to lose, if this passes, they should move the convention.  I suggest it should be in Milwaukee, and whoever is running against Walker gets to give the keynote speech.

    -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Sun May 06, 2012 at 11:36:11 AM PDT

    •  The problem with that is that a lot of folks who (3+ / 0-)
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      smiley7, marina, RockyMtnLib

      don't deserve this crap have to live with it, too.

      We don't want our country back, we want our country FORWARD. --Eclectablog

      by Samer on Sun May 06, 2012 at 11:57:48 AM PDT

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      •  Well, they made their bed in 2010 (0+ / 0-)

        Sorry, but unless you're discussing Wisconsin and Ohio, that's really all I can say.

        -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

        by Dave in Northridge on Sun May 06, 2012 at 01:13:46 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks. (1+ / 0-)
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          I guess I deserve this shit since NC went red.

          Veritas Omnia Vincit

          by The Nephew on Sun May 06, 2012 at 01:55:23 PM PDT

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          •  Well, I've never lived anyplace that could have (0+ / 0-)

            turned red, so I'm probably a little jaundiced about things, and I don't know how old you are, so it's possible it isn't your fault even vaguely.  That was really aimed at North Carolinians over 25, and probably not the ones who visit DKos.  

            Don't take it personally, because I know you know what I meant.

            -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

            by Dave in Northridge on Sun May 06, 2012 at 02:38:21 PM PDT

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        •  Yes--what happened in 2010 (0+ / 0-)

          --specifically, the capture of the legislature by the Right--was a seismic shift in a state like North Carolina, and I don't think people are fully cognizant of what it means.  Thanks to redistricting, the Democrats are not going to regain power anytime soon if ever.  The state is going to get a lot meaner.   The Ds will be blacks and Triangle liberals, the Rs will be everybody else.  It's happened in every other Southern state except Arkansas and Kentucky.  

          Anyone who's not in the majority is going to get railroaded.  Glad I got out of there years ago.  Others might want to do the same.

    •  They said on the radio this morning that a huge (5+ / 0-)

      majority of us favor civil unions!  And among people who understand that the amendment forbids them, opposition is close to 70%.

      I guess since they call it the "marriage amendment," people think it only limits marriage.

  •  Nate Silver is predicting passage, damn it. (7+ / 0-)

    We are in deep dodo in NC. Americans for Prosperity and wealthy NC cats have purchased the legislature and  the legislator's agenda is straight out of ALEC's playbook.

     And to top that off, we have a member of ALEC running to chair our state Democratic Party. Well, he was a long-time member, he sent out a resignation letter late Friday evening after being exposed as a member on progressive blogs.

    Our class sizes in K-12 have increased by an average of three students and nearly 3,000 teachers and teacher assistants lost their jobs last year; more large cuts to K-12 are on the way. The repugs are privatizing public education passing seemingly innocuous bills, one after another.

     I could rant for pages about the destruction the first repug controlled legislature in 140 years in NC is doing to our state...

    Want to frack or make money from public education, come on down to NC...the land of discrimination.

    "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

    by smiley7 on Sun May 06, 2012 at 11:49:18 AM PDT

    •  Nate Silver (0+ / 0-)

      is not taking into account momentum at all, but plugging some numbers into a model, numbers that may not be all that recent.

      •  The average age of early voters was 59. (2+ / 0-)
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        Not good.  You can get 3000 Duke students to vote against, but it doesn't matter when 30,000 65 years olds voted FOR.  I've seen what appears to be momentum shifting in favor of the FOR side.  I've been on the ground fighting this day after day.  Despite the commercials, it was just too much for us to overcome.  I won't be at all surprised if the vote is 60/40.  In fact, one of my favorite professors is predicting a 60/40 vote.  

        Veritas Omnia Vincit

        by The Nephew on Sun May 06, 2012 at 12:17:18 PM PDT

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        •  Unfortunately I agree with the Nephew. (4+ / 0-)

          In western NC I've seen a tremendous uptick in signs, letters to the editor and talk FOR the Amendment in the last week.  Of course last weekend was the big push by right wing churches to "preach marriage". It makes me sick. I've drawn a line in the sand with any conservative friends though. I've let them know there is no "agreeing to disagree" on this issue as there are on some others. This is ignorant hate and anyone who supports it is an ignorant hater. I have a relative who is stunned that I "unfriended" her on Facebook.  She messages my sister trying to make peace. My amazing sister told her that she completely understands why I won't listen to any bigoted hate filled talk and suggested she change her heart before she tries to make peace with our side of the family. Unfortunately, tiny little Facebook victories are all we really expect right now.  I am just so furious that these stupid mouth breathing imbeciles are going to do this to our State.

          “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

          by stellaluna on Sun May 06, 2012 at 02:35:57 PM PDT

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      •  Nate Silver is wrong some of the time, too n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        smiley7

        -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

        by Dave in Northridge on Sun May 06, 2012 at 02:38:55 PM PDT

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    •  An example of damage (5+ / 0-)

      I learned from a customer of mine that prior to budget cuts she worked as a psychologist in the prison system here in NC.  When she started, young first-time offenders had a recidivism rate of 85%.  After her program had been running for some time, it was down in the 20s.

      Think of the lives she affected.  All of those young men on the edge, who had a chance not to let one mistake ruin their lives; all of the victims of future crimes not committed; all of us taxpayers not having to pay to catch, try, and incarcerate those individuals over and over again for the rest of their lives.

      Gone with the budget cuts.

      •  The repubs have shit lined up for the May 16 (2+ / 0-)
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        political mutt, marina

        session: voter ID, education, fracking and I'm betting many surprises...

        "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

        by smiley7 on Sun May 06, 2012 at 12:30:11 PM PDT

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      •  They have to make those privatized prisons (1+ / 0-)
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        attractive to stockholders somehow!  And who would provide that cheap prison labor that competes with businesses that pay wages if there were less inmates?

        "I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are?" Barry Goldwater

        by ranton on Sun May 06, 2012 at 06:46:28 PM PDT

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  •  If it passes, the repugs will use their victory... (2+ / 0-)
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    as a hammer to beat us into submission, ramping up their ALEC agenda in the process. However, AaTruman victory could turn the tide for the President, imho.

    Please call NC folks and urge people to vote...

    "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

    by smiley7 on Sun May 06, 2012 at 12:03:07 PM PDT

  •  Franklin Graham has his own commercial (3+ / 0-)
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    too that seems to be outplaying any other political ad I've seen.  The amendment is going to pass.  The rural Republican counties are outvoting the urban counties, not in numbers but in percentages.  The last polling I saw showed African Americans going for it 66% to 33%.  The NAACP tried, but just didn't have enough time I suppose.  I wish President Obama had spoken out against it, but that is too much to hope for I suppose.

    Veritas Omnia Vincit

    by The Nephew on Sun May 06, 2012 at 12:09:56 PM PDT

  •  Geriatric White Southerner Supports Bigotry (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    Dog Bites Man

  •  Many of us here in NC hope it won't come to pass. (3+ / 0-)
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    Persiflage, smiley7, political mutt

    “The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius

    by LamontCranston on Sun May 06, 2012 at 01:00:11 PM PDT

    •  Sort of... (1+ / 0-)
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      political mutt

      except Graham has enjoyed a lot of prestige and publicity throughout his life and will certainly influence some people here.  

      As an aside, but in the same vein, you'd be surprised at how many GOP candidates are touting their similarities to Jesse Helms...  Kind of like comparing one's self to Vlad the Impaler...at least in some ways.

      The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

      by Persiflage on Sun May 06, 2012 at 01:17:27 PM PDT

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  •  Given past precedent with race, evolution votes (7+ / 0-)

    oh - and women's suffrage and Prohibition - I think the easy bet is on Amendment One passing.

    However, I caution everyone in the room that the hysteria about this being a harbinger of doom vote is overdone.

    Why?

    Because North Carolina is not the first state to pass such foolery.

    It's one of the last holdouts.

    And a few months ago, the passage of Amendment One was all but a done deal.

    Then the state's people woke up.

    And as someone here in North Carolina - I see a LOT of "Vote No" signs.

    A whole lot.

    The Republicans have gone from a sure win to yet another money pit for their donors.

    You're all out there looking for daylight - some good news that the right wing crazy train tracks are falling apart.

    You're tired of the nonstop slaps to the face. The spittle in the face. The insults. The beatdowns. The entire second-classedness that comes with not being an unholy bigot in an unholy bigoted land.

    Yet North Carolina Amendment One is not a done deal.

    It's foot race.

    And yes, dammit to hell, we might lose.

    Like thirty-plus other states have done so already.

    Like every state in the South but North Carolina has done so already (that's the word on the street, anyway).

    Like so many states before said "yes" to Jim Crow. "Yes" to silencing women. "Yes" to Prohibition. "Yes" to shutting science out of the classroom.

    The only reason these ugly battles happen is all is ugly people make them happen - because they are afraid. Afraid of change. Afraid of the mirror that casts no kind reflection on their ignorance, their pettiness their laughable lack of ability to stand tall unless they stand on the backs and dignity of others.

    This battle is happening because it IS a battle.

    If it weren't, the unholy bigots would run the unholy bigoted land with ease.

    As it stands, they don't.

    And they won't.

    And they never will, not ever again.

    •  Where are you in NC? (3+ / 0-)

      I see a lot of vote no signs, too, and almost no vote yes. But I live in Durham, which is not very representative of the rest of the state. I'd like to think that the lack of vote yes signs means the amendment is in trouble, but I'm not that optimistic about it. I hope I am pleasantly surprised by the final result.

    •  Well, yes, but . . . (1+ / 0-)
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      True, the only way this wicked stuff is passed into law is because wicked people -- Republicans -- have the money and the clout and the willingness to lie to win votes.

      HOWEVER -- all this is irrelevant.  

      What's relevant is that now this hatred is inscribed into our laws and that means changing it will take a monumental effort.  

      We are stuck with these anti-gay laws for a generation.  Ditto for laws limiting abortion; voter ID laws; laws against immigrants; laws permitting the teaching of creationism, and all the other laws the GOP is pushing through state legislatures.

      Our children or grandchildren will have to fight these battles all over again.  Maybe this time they can make it stick but I doubt it.

      Ignorance is a powerful thing, especially when it's fueled with gobs of money.

  •  NC voters: Whom do you support in the primary? (2+ / 0-)
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    The Nephew, GainesT1958

    I have been both sick and busy and don't know the candidates.  If someone can make a good case that either Bob Etheridge or Walter Dalton has a better chance to defeat Pat McCrory, I'd love to hear it.

    Of course I would cast a vote for President Obama.

    Alternatively, as I am registered "unaffiliated," I could vote in the Republican primary.  I would vote for Ron Paul, who seems to plan to be a contender at the convention, and as many "also ran" candidates as I could identify, in the hopes of triggering runoffs that would burden the campaigns of the ultimate primary winners.

    Thoughts?

    •  I'm unaffiliated too (1+ / 0-)
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      political mutt

      but chose to vote D since the R presidential race seems to be over.  I ended up voting for Etheridge, although it seems Dalton will probably win the nomination.  I frankly don't like either of them.  Etheridge's TV commercial needed a translator really.  I could not understand what he said.  Dalton creeps me out for some reason too.  McCrory is awful, but he will probably win unless Obama has some coat tails.  I've got my fingers crossed.

      Veritas Omnia Vincit

      by The Nephew on Sun May 06, 2012 at 03:11:25 PM PDT

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