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I'm just about fed up with these children. If you've been paying attention to their latest shenanigans, you ought to be fed up with them, too. Statistics show that not only are legions of them impoverished, malnourished, beset by violence and poorly educated, but we now have it from multiple sources that some of these little monsters are putting their sexy moves on men...

Daniel Paz of Jefferson Parish was among the first to alert us to this growing trend of provocative pre-pubescents. Back when Paz was arrested in March 2011, we might have considered sexually aggressive second-graders an anomaly. But, here recently, Michael Fieramusca of Marrero, Edward Felix Benoit of Slidell and Travis Cutrer of Covington have told similar stories of succumbing to the wiles of young ones. So the children must be the problem, right?

Yeah. So reads a Jarvis DeBarry's commentary piece in Sunday's Times-Picayune.

Sexy children made 'em do it.

26 year-old Paz was convicted & is serving a 25 year sentence. He says that the 7 year old who Paz molested - she was the aggressor.

78 year-old Benoit - convicted and currently serving 130 years for his crimes against a 12 year-old girl and her 7 year old brother. He says that he "...didn't corrupt those children. They were corrupt a long time before they met me." He says that he "grew weary of resisting their seduction." I guess that was why he gave the children gifts in exchange for them letting him spank them, and he paid the children 130$ to let him molest them. I note a potential connection between the amount Benoit paid to the children and his prison sentence.

21 year-old Cutrer, convicted and awaiting an expected life sentence, he just was masturbating in the same room as a sleeping 5 year-old girl. She woke and simply insisted on participating. Cutrer simply couldn't stop the 5 year-old girl, and couldn't stop her the second time he molested her. 'Cause ya see, she was really good at catching him while he was masturbating, and she was very insistent.

Fieramusca awaits trial for two rapes - a 4 year-old girl and a 16 year-old girl. He says that the 4 year-old initiated things.

I guess it just shows, no matter who the victim, no matter how vulnerable, there's always someone who is ready to blame them.

Originally posted to luckydog on Mon May 07, 2012 at 12:04 AM PDT.

Also republished by House of LIGHTS.


Are seductive children the problem?

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  •  It's the Humbert Humbert defense. (12+ / 0-)

    And it's pretty gross.  

    Of course there's always Bill Donahue's "molested children are gold-diggers" to challenge that on the grossness scale.

    Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

    by pico on Mon May 07, 2012 at 01:05:12 AM PDT

    •  It is the Humbert Humbert defense BUT (5+ / 0-)
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      OldDragon, pico, northsylvania, LoreleiHI, sb

      of course Humbert knew exactly what he was doing all along and even teased the reader by saying, if you buy any of it, then life is a joke.

      There are some considerations here that have to do with how Americans treat childhood sexuality (by denying it) that may work in the sick twisted minds of pedophiles.

      James Kincaid wrote a book that argues that America simultaneously sexualizes children and then denies that they possess sexuality. If adults recognized that kids do indeed have sexual urges, then the onus would be on adults to know the appropriate boundaries and therefore emphasize adult responsibility. Instead, the culture infantilizes children so that, when a child shows sexual urges or knowledge, the adult interprets this as a precocious child.

      There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

      by upstate NY on Mon May 07, 2012 at 06:51:35 AM PDT

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  •  What we have here are (11+ / 0-)

    instinct-driven people.  They act in response to impulses, prompts that arrive either from outside or inside, which they are unable to resist because they lack self direction.
    I think there's a disconnect between the cognitive or thinking brain and the primitive brain.

    These people have, apparently been with us a long time.  Jesus of Nazareth advised, "forgive them, for they know not what they do." The so-called "golden rule" actually "works" with them in the sense that they mirror behavior and do as is done to them. Unfortunately, when they try to follow the rule in their relations with children, they become a menace to society.  The instinct-driven have to be restrained because they do not have self-restraint.  Worse, being habit prone, by definition, their inappropriate behaviors are likely to become obsessive--i.e. they become addicted and "can't help themselves."

    Going back even further in human history, we find Socrates advising "know thyself."  He must have sensed that self-knowledge is important and seen a lack.  What he likely didn't imagine is that some humans can't do that.  The self is a mystery to them.

    Blaming the children is really just another version of "the devil made me do it."  The person recognizes a compulsion, but doesn't know where it comes from and hasn't a clue as to how it might be resisted. The common assumption that humans are directed by self-interest is false.  Some humans have no idea where self-interest lies.  Otherwise they wouldn't engage in the same self-destructive behavior (the seven deadly sins) over and over again.

    Not so long ago, "I'm just a girl who cain't say no," was considered cute and "just doin' what comes naturally" a virtue.

    The predators' survival depends on just taking whatever strikes their fancy.  It's a lazy existence in which sleep is the constant in the absence of impulses to rouse them.  Predators are prompted to move around by hunger and the perception of danger; the former being triggered by a familiar scent or sound, while the latter responds to the unfamiliar. As a result, predators are conservative and human conservatives follow the predatory mode.  Instead of consuming their own kind, they just abuse them. I suspect the American fixation with death leads us to overlook that.

    "Look, but don't touch" is probably a better common place than "if you break it, you've bought it," especially when addressing people who don't care whether something is broken or whole. For Iraq it spelled disaster.

    The instinct-driven exhibit the predatory mind-set.

    People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

    by hannah on Mon May 07, 2012 at 01:54:17 AM PDT

  •  Sounds like: "seductive women are the problem... (9+ / 0-)

    .... so we make them wear burkas over there, and we deny them access to contraception over here."

    SOS/SNS:  Same Old Shit / Some New Shingle.

    Someone in a state legislature really ought to propose complete surgical castration, as in, lop off the whole "package," as the penalty for men who are convicted of these atrocities.  

    Yes, and watch those male legislators howl, particularly the Republicans.  

    But it might get them to back down on contraception.  Maybe.

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Mon May 07, 2012 at 02:18:25 AM PDT

  •  The diseased mind always (12+ / 0-)

    ...sees himself as the victim. That's the only way he can live with himself. We can apply this mindset to all agressors. And like all sexual agressors, phedophiles too abuse for power and control over innocence they lack, not for sexual gratification. Their warped minds meanwhile really do see their victims as agressors.

    "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

    by zenox on Mon May 07, 2012 at 04:14:33 AM PDT

  •  If there is anything that could drive me to (13+ / 0-)

    physically batter another human being, this is it.  I don't know if I could really hit them, but the way I feel, sitting here in my comfy chair, makes me think I could.  I'm shaking, looking for some outlet for the rage I'm feeling.

    Smack me around and I'll probably put up some defenses.  If you back off, I'm not going to follow you for more.  Touch a child and I really might go off on you.  Really, I think I could do something bad.

    There is nothing to be said for their claims of seduction.  They are sad, sick, sorry folks who needed an intervention long ago.  Now, they need to be put away, not only as punishment, but as protection from crazy old women like me.

    -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

    by luckylizard on Mon May 07, 2012 at 04:31:00 AM PDT

    •  Even IF there was a child who made advances to (2+ / 0-)
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      TX Freethinker, LoreleiHI

      an adult--EVEN IF--it can NEVER, EVER be right.

      Either the adult is or isn't the adult.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Mon May 07, 2012 at 10:34:43 AM PDT

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  •  The editorial quoted (11+ / 0-)

    reveals these attitudes in order to deride and mock them, which is something you did not communicate in the diary.

    The fact is that these perps self-select to associate online with a community of other like-thinkers. They are highly delusional, and may even believe that they are sexually liberating little kids who want to have sex with old men.

  •  this is no different (3+ / 0-)
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    raster44, cany, LoreleiHI

    from the response of the Catholic church to publication of the continued and pervasive child rapes by clergy.  The herarchy truly believes that the "devil made me do it", and that the poor clergy simply succumbed to the seductive powers of the children.  Say a Hail Mary , ask for forgiveness- and you can do it again.

    As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

    by BPARTR on Mon May 07, 2012 at 06:45:16 AM PDT

  •  People are funny! (2+ / 0-)
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    raster44, LoreleiHI

    And I mean us! I mean, here are some people who've done the worst thing you can do, and we're letting ourselves get indignant because of some stupid thing they've said in a pathetic attempt to mitigate and relativize their crime.  They're already as bad as they can be and nothing they say can make them any worse.  Just ignore them, which will be especially easy once they're locked up and never seen again.

    Romney '12: The Power of Crass Commands You!

    by Rich in PA on Mon May 07, 2012 at 06:56:31 AM PDT

    •  well, Rich, for you, commenting on an issue... (2+ / 0-)
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      pico, LoreleiHI

      ...may be the same as getting indignant. Tho' that doesn't mean that everyone else comments only when indignant.

      Tho' course, ignoring problems doesn't really make the problem go away does it. Tho here's your opportunity to post a clever rejoinder about the legal system making 'em go away.

  •  Republished to Tree Climbers at Daily Kos (4+ / 0-)
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    aravir, luckydog, rubyduby7, LoreleiHI

    More examples of "Blame the Victim".

    "Safety and security are the result of collective consensus. We owe our children, the most vulnerable citizens in our society, a life free of violence and fear." - Nelson Mandela. Donate to TREE Climbers

    by TX Freethinker on Mon May 07, 2012 at 09:11:19 AM PDT

  •  I have a child molester 5 doors up. Served six (2+ / 0-)
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    LoreleiHI, SwedishJewfish

    years in prison. Told a neighbor his daughter basically crawled in the shower with him...

    Big strong man can't get daughter out of shower so "lets her molest him" then he has oral copulation with a minor "14 years of age or younger".

    It's the rage, I guess.

    Of course when the up-street neighbor told me the story (she's as dumb as a hammer) I launched into a 4-letter-word screed that blistered paint.

    The man was found guilty, should have been found guilty, and I haven't even read the case yet to see if he plea bargained.

    He's a piece of shit.  Period.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Mon May 07, 2012 at 10:32:25 AM PDT

  •  BTW... love your poll:) (4+ / 0-)

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Mon May 07, 2012 at 10:36:06 AM PDT

  •  That's why I'm so fat (3+ / 0-)
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    LoreleiHI, SwedishJewfish, luckydog

    Its not me, its the pizza; it forces itself on me.

    I'm sitting calmly at the dinner table when the pizza busts down the door, throws me on the ground, rubs its hot cheesy goodness all over my body then climbs down my throat. Often, in upwards of three times a week.

    Then, when I'm laying in a puddle of sauce and tears, the pizza's accomplice Whole Gallon of Ice Cream shows up...

    Really, the absurdity.

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