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What do you do if you're a governor just weeks away from a close election and widely reported government jobs numbers show that your state lost jobs last year, amounting to the worst jobs record in the country? If you're Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, you find some new numbers.

Walker is releasing Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages numbers for December 2010 to December 2011 six weeks ahead of time because by this measure, Wisconsin gained 23,321 jobs rather than having lost 33,900 jobs as the Current Employment Survey showed. While the Quarterly Census is generally considered more accurate than the Current Employment Survey, "states nearly always wait for the national release—or at least until the federal authorities review and revise the state data, a process meant to weed out mistakes that usually involve small changes."

More significantly, since Wisconsin alone is releasing its Quarterly Census numbers now, its results can't be compared to those of other states. Even with the turnaround from having lost jobs by one measure to having gained them by another, Wisconsin could still lag behind other states.

This about sums it up:

"It is, I think, stunning that Scott Walker has suddenly found 57,000 jobs and gone from negative to positive three weeks before an election," said Barrett campaign spokesman Phil Walzak. "The timing is enormously suspicious. . . . Clearly the governor is losing the argument on jobs with the people of Wisconsin, and he's now trotting out these new figures in an extremely unusual way."
Walker is particularly lucky in that, if he can get Wisconsin voters to pay attention to these new numbers, he has a chance to claim success even though these numbers put him just 9 percent of the way toward meeting his four-year job creation target of 250,000. Without the earlier numbers showing overall job loss, a gain of just 23,321 would look weak in relation to what he promised.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Wed May 16, 2012 at 07:44 AM PDT.

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  •  How's the recent polling? (5+ / 0-)
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    elwior, Vatexia, dfe, sethtriggs, Candide08

    And is there any chance that Democratic voters will not go vote?

    •  PPP had Walker up by 5 yesterday (8+ / 0-)

      Unchanged from the month before. He might be dogged by various negatives, but so far, he's winning. I don't know what else it will take to get voters to wake up, but Barrett better figure it out soon.

    •  Democratic voters will vote (8+ / 0-)

      and I believe in strong numbers.   There are very few people "in the middle" on the Barrett vs. Walker election.  The biggest problem here in WI is not Democratic voter turn-out, it's that about half the population that can vote actually supports Scott Walker.  My husband and I are both WI natives and we've discussed a lot why it is after all that Walker has failed on since taking office that there is still a large number of people who'll vote for him.  If you look across the country as a whole, you see much the same thing:  ignorant, uninformed, authoritarian-following people who've been saturated in right-wing talk radio and who will follow the most vile Republican right off a cliff.  A lot of us have also talked in great detail about how to get through to these people.  I'm stymied.  You can present them with facts and they simply will not let go of their belief system.  It's as if their whole universe will collapse if they were to EVER let themselves consider any political viewpoint than the one they desperately cling too.  I have a brother-in-law who is a wing nut.  He's not reachable.  His mind is totally closed.  It's really pathetic and sad.

      We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

      by 3goldens on Wed May 16, 2012 at 08:24:51 AM PDT

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      •  3goldens - I believe what you're saying. (2+ / 0-)
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        mumtaznepal, 3goldens

        And if that's the case, how is more money going to help?   If people are pretty much locked into one side of the other, how is more money going towards more pro Barrett ads going to move the needle?  If people have tuned out, they've tuned out...

        •  GOTV - DPW wants the money for an on-the-ground (2+ / 0-)
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          mumtaznepal, 3goldens

          effort to turn out our vote.  Yes we're all volunteers but DPW needs to rent offices around the state where people can make phone calls (costs money) and get their canvass and call sheets (need money for paper and ink to print them out), may need to pay a staffer to compile the call and canvass sheets and direct the data entry.  And probably a dozen other little things cost money.  

          Walker, your pink slip is coming, unless the orange jumpsuit gets you first.

          by non acquiescer on Wed May 16, 2012 at 12:38:02 PM PDT

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        •  Aquarius40, we still have to reach out (0+ / 0-)

          to all voters.  I can use one of my sisters as a perfect example.  She's not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination, but she's never been politically active.  She and I have really connected over this recall and I fill her in on the latest practically daily.  She told me just this past Monday that she didn't know about that the John Doe probe of Walker was still on-going and she didn't even know he's hired two criminal defense lawyers.  So, I talk to her and I tell her what the facts are.  She's strongly committed to voting Walker out----and she likes Tom Barrett a lot.  If we weren't talking, she'd be a no-show voter.  

          That's just one example.  We STILL have to go after every single vote we can get and we need support in order to do that.  This is an all-out war for every single voter we can get to vote for Tom Barrett.  To allow Walker to continue his destructive administration will kill this state and break the will of its people.  We will NEVER allow that to happen.  So we fight for every cent and every person we can convince to vote Democratic.  It's unthinkable to just give in to the likes of Scott Walker.

          We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

          by 3goldens on Wed May 16, 2012 at 03:57:54 PM PDT

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      •  About 25% - 30% of Population Unreachable (3+ / 0-)

        There has been a lot written on the Authoritarian mindset - John Dean's "Conservatives without Conscience" is excellent. There is a segment of the population that is rule based and once they latch on to a set of rules there is nothing you can say or do to change their minds. The do not care if the rules are useful or even if they are contrary to achieving their stated goals. The only that matters is that you follow the rules no matter what. This is why you can never convince somebody who is pro-life that birth control is the answer to decreasing abortions. The rule is that when a women has sex, she gets a baby and the only way to avoid having a baby is to not have sex. Birth control is wrong because the rule says a baby is the result of sex. The fact that birth control conclusively leads to lower abortion rates is beside the point to them.

        As Progressives, we really need to put our energy to where we can actually get results which is convincing more people to vote. Trying to change the other-side's belief is wasted energy. They are less then a third of the population and they only matter is the other 70%+ lets them.

        •  I've read Dean's work and agree (0+ / 0-)

          that it's really excellent.  The description in one of the two articles he recently put out of those who follow authoritarian leaders is quite accurate in terms of what I see around me from those who despite all evidence to the contrary believe Scott Walker is doing a great job.  Interestingly, my conservative brother-in-law also supports the interference we've been seeing coming from the Catholic bishops.  He also fits Dean's profile of authoritarian followers quite accurately.  

          Great comment, dfe.  Appreciate your insights.

          We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

          by 3goldens on Wed May 16, 2012 at 03:47:46 PM PDT

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    •  New poll today in WI (3+ / 0-)
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      mumtaznepal, Midwesterners, davidkc

      Walker 50, Barrett 44
      Obama 46, Romney 46

  •  Walker's lies keep coming (6+ / 0-)

    with more desperation each time he says them. Time is not a linear thing to Scott. Facts are mutable. Just because he wants it to be the truth DOES NOT make it so.
    He is desperate, and desperate people make stupid mistakes. Scratch that, they make catastrophic errors.
    John Doe is coming closer, Barret is even or ahead in the polls, his past has caught up with him, the documentary proves his intentions, and the hardest thing for the Wisconsin GOP is they can't make it go away. Throw away numbers can't contradict the facts littering the ground here.
    Bluff, Bluster and Bullshit are the only things they have left to work with and its not working.

  •  Real Numbers Though? (4+ / 0-)
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    elwior, 3goldens, sethtriggs, mumtaznepal

    While it's obviously politically motivated that they're being released early, these are the numbers typically used for BLS revisions. I'm more curious why they're so different...

  •  Hit The Rural District's Hard..... (5+ / 0-)

    That's where the conservative farmers & likely supporters of Walker are.  This is the group the recall Walker movement needs to focus on.  

    GOTV is going to decide this recall.  It's just too close for comfort right now.  If Walker is not recalled, Conservatives will be emboldened.  We will never hear the end of it.  

  •  Walker - politically a smart move (6+ / 0-)

    Walker has been brilliant in how he is out with some kind of newsworthy information every single day.   I get the feeling that he has a detailed day by day plan from now through June 5.   Scott is controlling the message,  he comes out with something and Barrett reacts to it.   It makes Scott look like the doer and Tom the slowpoke.

    Barrett has tried to get traction on a few things such as the John Doe investigation, but it seems to be sliding off like teflon.  I don't think the public is going for the guilt by innuendo on this one.  

    If Barrett has a plan for the budget, taxes and ending the "Civil War"  he needs to get some details out now!   We are only 20 days away, Barrett needs a game changer if he wants to turn this around.

    •  I hate to agree, but that's the sense I get. (7+ / 0-)

      Walker is supposedly going to announce a $10,000 start-to-finish college degree sometime this week.  He can add that to his $100 million for poor sections of Milwaukee, his new numbers, etc.  And I'm sure there will be something every few days.

      He doesn't have to worry about the follow through - just as long as he wins the recall.

      •  Then The DPW Needs To Be Flooding The Wisconsin (2+ / 0-)
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        createpeace, ForestLake

        airwaves with all the BS promises that Walker made the last time he ran, and reminding voters that his promises CAN'T BE TRUSTED. Barrett and the DPW need to start chipping away at Walker's BS lies NOW. I would also encourage the unions to run anti-Walker ads highlighting his criminal history, his ties to out of state funding via the billionaire Koch brothers, etc.  It's now or never - GO FOR IT!! DPW and the unions also need to work on getting out the vote and making sure Democrats KNOW what voter ID they need, so every Democrat who wants to vote will get to vote.

  •  resignation (5+ / 0-)

    sadly I have resigned myself to a devastating loss on June 5.  Wisconsin has become a microcosm of the nation where low information voters rule and the right wing echo chamber is impenetrable by facts.  I think Walker will win going away our only hope is to pick up a couple Senate seats.  My wife is a Wisconsin teacher and we never really  understood the level of resentment and contempt your average Wisconsin resident has for teachers until now.  They might say one thing but the mean another.

    •  moneymoneymoneymoney (2+ / 0-)
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      scribeboy, ForestLake

      controls the message.

      That is all we need to know.

    •  It is reprehensible (4+ / 0-)

      how teachers have been attacked in this state. Who knew so many people harbored such resentment? I just don't understand it.

    •  Resigning oneself to a loss in a close race (5+ / 0-)

      3 weeks out is like leaving a baseball game in the 7th inning with your team down by a run.

         Get off the mat and into the game, and spare us the pessimism please.

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Wed May 16, 2012 at 11:11:54 AM PDT

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    •  Stop Being A Defeatist - That Is What Walker And (1+ / 0-)
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      JBraden

      his crooked campaign wants. Get out and volunteer to do something at Barrett headquarters, at Democratic Party of Wisconsin headquarters, or at the union headquarters. There are plenty of things to do - handing out leaflets, putting up a homemade yard sign, donating money, or offering rides to Dem voters on voting day.

      •  defeatist (1+ / 0-)
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        Midwesterners

        I don't disagree with any of these comments...however being from 2nd generation Scandinavian American stock I have been born with a genetic proclivity towards "Ibsenian fatalism."  I have not given up (onward and upward--and forward)-- but my personal pessimism will work as a bulwark against the otherwise unbearable depression I will encounter if Walker wins.  I need to preserve my sanity.  

    •  Apathy (0+ / 0-)

      Don't blame the low-information voters who are exercising their Constitutional right to vote. Blame it on the people who can't get themselves to the polls. Yes, their side maybe full of dumb asses voting against their own own self-interests, but our side is filled with a bunch of lazy asses who don't bother to vote. Voter disfranchisement efforts has an effect, but most of the non-voters have no obstacles other then a lack of desire to actually register and vote.

    •  Resentment of teachers (0+ / 0-)

      The Republicans took one out of the Democrat's class warfare page but instead of pitting "workin fokes" against the priviliged,  the teachers benefit packages were put up against private sector benefits which were dwarfed by most teachers benefits.   Republicans got away with speaking in terms of % contribution by the public workers.  5 and 12% didn't sound unfair.  If it would have been expressed as 400 dollars a month, more empathy might have occured.

      When the teachers decided to take days off during regular school days, any chance of sympathy were pretty much gone.  When the videos of them breaking into windows of our beautiful capital building hit the news, the average Wisconsinite's fists were clenched in anger.   Teacher's reputations took a huge blow this year.  The private sector workers have been suffering for 4 or 5 years, taking pay cuts and losing jobs. This group was not eager to go to bat for public workers that have summers off and a fantastic pension plan.  

      I don't think this thing is over yet,  in the past the Democratic candidate has usually done a few points better than the surveys.  I think Barrett needs to show less anger, that is not working for him.  He needs get a positive message out about how he can keep taxes at current levels for everyone, better allocate funds and find ways to reward our best public workers.

  •  OT - how do they light up those freeway signs? (0+ / 0-)

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed May 16, 2012 at 11:04:50 AM PDT

    •  I forget which Kossack did a diary (1+ / 0-)
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      lgmcp

      about the creation -- I think it involves small light bulbs (like from the old Lite Brite toys, or maybe Christmas lights) and some sort of small battery hookup. Next time one of the OLB diaries goes up, ask around -- I think it's noise of rain that's really involved in OLB but I could be wrong.

      Mitt Romney: the Etch-A-Sketch candidate in the era of YouTube

      by Cali Scribe on Wed May 16, 2012 at 11:08:55 AM PDT

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  •  Keep up hope and work hard!! (2+ / 0-)
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    Cali Scribe, non acquiescer

    I know it doesn't look good, but anyone who can, work yer asses off. We have plenty of time to sulk on June 6, if things don't go our way. But until then, move it soldiers!

  •  What's the demographics on the alleged Jobs (1+ / 0-)

    Bain destroyed x Middle class jobs and created y entry level jobs

    Doctor Mitt Romney Brain Sturgeon-The Operation was a success but the patient died, where's my fee?

    by JML9999 on Wed May 16, 2012 at 11:06:58 AM PDT

  •  23,000 + jobs (1+ / 0-)

    Are these the kind of jobs that will allow someone to support a family or are these $7.25 Walmart jobs?

  •  Walker jobs (0+ / 0-)

    These numbers are from early April last year if they are based on the census.  Wasn't he still firing people after that?  He was only in office for 4 months when this data was collected.

  •  Why Won't Democrats Get Out And Vote (3+ / 0-)
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    Midwesterners, NorthBronxDem, davidkc

    The next thing that Walker is going to do is pass a right to work bill.  This bill has already been completed and it is waiting for Scott's re-election.  Why isn't Barrett talking about this?

    "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

    by rssrai on Wed May 16, 2012 at 11:47:13 AM PDT

    •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)
      Why isn't Barrett talking about this?
      Maybe from outside Wisconsin I may not be hearing as much as from the inside. But what has Barrett said about any of this? I'm beginning to think that part of the problem is that is not such a great choice as a candidate. He already lost to Walker once, and it looks like the same is about to happen by almost the same margin. It isn't always about the money. If it was, we would be talking about Governor Whitman right now in California instead of Governor Brown, for instance. Either way, the situation is what it is, so grousing about money or lack of isn't going to change the reality of the situation..
      There's three weeks left. Time's a wasting. This is on Barrett's shoulders to figure out, he knew what the situation would be.  If he didn't like it, he should have stepped aside, and let someone who might have been able to deal with the hand they were dealt run instead. I know I sound harsh about this, but the stakes are too high to whining about money that won't be there. Where there's a will, there's a way.
    •  He doesn't seem to be a good candidate (0+ / 0-)

      I guess there's a reason he lost to Walker before.

  •  Tipped, recced and republished to (0+ / 0-)

    I started with nothing and still have most of it left. - Seasick Steve

    by ruleoflaw on Wed May 16, 2012 at 03:46:16 PM PDT

  •  Wisconsites seem to like Walker (0+ / 0-)

    So they'll get to enjoy his lies for many more years to come.

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