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About a week ago, one of the closest runners-up for America's Dumbest Congressmen, Louie Gohmert (no, you will not be able to convince me he is dumber than Rep. Allen West, so save your breath on that one) held a prayer event at the Capitol. It was under the pretense of honoring George Washington's presidential inauguration, presumably because George Washington would have loved nothing better than to be forced to sit in a room listening to several hours worth of hard-right conservative preachers telling America what God and George Washington most wanted them to do. It sounds like the main focus was on how sin and abortion was leading America to ruin, and how the only solution is to put Republican Jesus in charge of both Congress and the Federal Reserve.

This bit, from ultra-right preacher Jim Garlow, I think serves as a nice little object lesson on why religion and politics should not be allowed to dance together too closely. An occasional hoedown is probably fine, but if they stay together too long, or aren't chaperoned closely as the long night wears on, things lead to things and after a while you've got a whole bunch of little Official State Religion Jesus-Law babies crawling all over the place, getting into everything. Yes, I know that metaphor went a bit off the rails there. I don't care. All I know is that religion is very, very promiscuous, and politics doesn't always think decisions through.

All right, so go ahead and watch that tape up there, and let's go through it and add some commentary to noted homophobe Dr. Jim Garlow's little speech as we go:

What would happen if we stop saying right versus left, as if they're moral equivalents, and start talking about right versus wrong that are not moral equivalents, in the pulpits of the day.
Why the hell are you talking about right versus left at all, in the pulpits of today? Are you saying it would be nice to switch things up and start preaching about right versus wrong, but you're just too consumed with talk about the political right and left and so there's just no time for the right versus wrong stuff? Then give up your damn tax exemptions, at the very least.
If 350,000 pulpits stood, would have stood for the last fifty, sixty, seventy, eighty years. We wouldn't have a debt of sixteen trillion in unfunded liabilities that can cause us to economically self-destruct.
So Jesus is, apparently, deeply against deficit spending and unfunded liabilities? I entirely missed that part of the Bible; I  guess it must have been in the long-lost Gospel According to Paul Ryan. And Lo, for Jesus visited that guy in the wilds of Wisconsin, and told him that economic downturns should always be met with severe government austerity or the poor people wouldn't learn the proper lesson.
It wouldn't have happened. You know why? Because pulpits would have said thou shalt not steal from future generations. It's morally wrong. It's obscene. And people would have gone into voting booths with that riveting in their heart and would affected, and shaken, the kind of legislation that would take place in this great city.
I imagine it's less wrong to promise someone social insurance benefits after they've paid a lifetime of taxes, then cheat them back out of it because you've decided you want to spend their money on some spiffy new (insert war here), but nobody ever talks about that one. For that matter, the pulpits are damn quiet about the (insert war here) part, because Jesus said smite those guys, they probably have it coming. Me, I say Jesus says thou shalt have a decent transportation infrastructure, so thou dost not get thy economic ass kicked by other countries more willing to invest in themselves. Oh, and Jesus says pollution makes God cry, and he's going to smite the tar outta you if you keep pumping it up there into his backyard. The angels have to breathe that crap, you jerks.
If we'd had 350,000 pulpits across America understanding the potential of a holocaust that up to this point has cost us 55 million of our citizens there would have been declaration, the tearing up babies in the womb is a wrong thing and it needs to be stopped now, and it would have never happened,
Translation: If we lived under religious law, things would be different. Namely, the rest of you would do what our particular religion says and believe what our personal sect believes. And we believe all sorts of stuff that the rest of you disagree with, which for some reason means we should have been trying harder to force you to do what we say anyway. The rest of you don't get your own religious law, though—we're going to pass laws forbidding that. It's just ours.
if we had pulpits in America that would understand the dimension of the catastrophic price when you mess with the definition of the most fundamental institution there is, one man, one woman, in marriage. It would have been declared from every pulpit, and we wouldn't have the discussions going on we have going on today.
Yes, yes, it's the end of the world. Marriage is properly between one man and one woman's father, who is allowed to sell his daughter off to the highest bidder or in order to further his political or business ambitions. How dare you take that away from us.

I don't particularly care what Jim Garlow has to say on anything. It is, though, a nice instructive little reminder of how in general it is good to keep a nice little moat between the laws we all have to follow and what people like Jim Garlow have to say about anything. Having a political opinion is fine. Dressing your opinion up in the trappings of What God Wants is not fine, especially if your opinion is that the world needs to treat women, poor people, homosexuals, and the vast majority of everyone else much worse, just because your own invented morality says so.

This is probably why Americans are still not sold on the whole church-state blender idea, according to a recent Pew poll:

A majority of Americans (54%) say that churches and other houses of worship should keep out of political matters, while 40% say they should express their views on social and political questions. After a decade in which the balance of opinion tilted in the opposite direction, this is the third consecutive survey in the past four years in which more people say churches should keep out of politics than say churches should express their views on social and political issues.
Personally, I'm fine with churches expressing opinions on social questions. Have at it! Political questions, too, so long as you're willing to toss the tax exemptions aside and be honest about it. But there's still a difference between expressing an opinion and demanding the United States government write their laws in order to codify your opinion as the only valid one. People like Garlow don't understand the difference, and think that their mission in life is not just to tell their own followers how to live their lives, but to make damn sure the rest of us have to as well.

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  •  "the long-lost Gospel According to Paul Ryan"? (21+ / 0-)

    That certainly wouldn't be Numbers, now would it?

    "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

    by rfall on Thu May 17, 2012 at 06:36:05 PM PDT

  •  Doesn't the ozone hole make it easier (11+ / 0-)

    ...for angels to come to Earth and help people out?

    Oh, and Jesus says pollution makes God cry, and he's going to smite the tar outta you if you keep pumping it up there into his backyard. The angels have to breathe that crap, you jerks.

    "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

    by rfall on Thu May 17, 2012 at 06:37:48 PM PDT

  •  Since when? (13+ / 0-)
    the definition of the most fundamental institution there is, one man, one woman, in marriage
    You mean, "fundamental" as in multiple wives, as many in the Old Testament had?

    You mean, "fundamental" as in "you must marry your brother's sister and have children with her if he dies"?

    Where is the "fundamental" meaning of marriage as in "heterosexual, monogamous, lifelong" coming from?  Is sure isn't in most of the Bible I know.

    "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

    by rfall on Thu May 17, 2012 at 06:41:04 PM PDT

  •  Republican Jesus skips the whole crucifixion thing (18+ / 0-)

    gets an MBA at Galilee U, and begins a long and successful career as a money changer in the Temple.

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Thu May 17, 2012 at 06:47:57 PM PDT

  •  Church is winning; the evil church that is (6+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Thu May 17, 2012 at 06:49:37 PM PDT

    •  IOW (1+ / 0-)
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      The Church of Mamon.

      It's funny. After missing out on the Euromillions lottery again, we were talking about how we would use the money. After working out how much we would need to be able to ensure financial independence, the discussion turned to which charities we would support, and how much we would donate to each.

      None of us requires hundreds of millions, and acquiring so much, unless you are a government, is nothing more than a sign of greed and hoarding. Having just reread Inferno by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle, I am reminded of the punishment of the hoarders and wasters (and many politicians fall into both camps). Not to mention the wrathful, the heretics, the grifters and the traitors.

      FOSI: Full Of Shit Information - Both my sister and I are trivia freaks...

      by Spoc42 on Fri May 18, 2012 at 05:30:31 PM PDT

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    •  May the Farce be with you! n/t (0+ / 0-)

      See the children of the earth who wake to find the table bare, See the gentry in the country riding out to take the air. ~~Gordon Lightfoot, "Don Quixote"

      by Panama Pete on Fri May 18, 2012 at 07:20:43 PM PDT

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  •  Dear God, Please protect us from the preachers! (9+ / 0-)

    Obama and strong Democratic majorities in 2012!

    by TRPChicago on Thu May 17, 2012 at 06:50:56 PM PDT

  •  If 350,000 pulpits (18+ / 0-)

    paid taxes, we would be sitting pretty.

    Well, I been around the world, and I've been in the Washington Zoo. And in all my travels, as the facts unravel, I've found this to be true.... ...they don't give a f^ck about anybody else

    by Zwoof on Thu May 17, 2012 at 06:53:55 PM PDT

  •  It's amazing what they have to come up with (11+ / 0-)

    now that they can't just say "N!%%@R" anymore.

    Fight until we win. Then we can begin arguing about the details. - Kwickkick (RIP) 2009

    by RickMassimo on Thu May 17, 2012 at 06:54:02 PM PDT

  •  this OLDDDDDDDDDD fight between church and state (4+ / 0-)
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    was and never will be settled.

    way to many people have dedicated their entire existence to keeping it alive and umm prophet-able ;)

    "Orwell was an optimist"

    by KnotIookin on Thu May 17, 2012 at 07:00:29 PM PDT

  •  Dude's got a point, minus the pulpit stuff (6+ / 0-)
    What would happen if we stop saying right versus left, as if they're moral equivalents, and start talking about right versus wrong that are not moral equivalents, in the pulpits of the day.
    I completely agree that it's not Right vs. Left, it's Right vs. Wrong.  Conservatism is depravity and it only deserves the minimal legitimacy that comes with any constitutionally protected speech and thought.  

    Romney '12: The Power of Crass Commands You!

    by Rich in PA on Thu May 17, 2012 at 07:02:35 PM PDT

  •  It's time to resurrect an oldie: (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Louis Gohmert is a bigger do-do head (2+ / 0-)
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    so there.

    "But much to my surprise when I opened my eyes I was the victim of the great compromise." John Prine

    by high uintas on Thu May 17, 2012 at 07:15:46 PM PDT

  •  I'd like to know the details of (8+ / 0-)

    the "catastrophic price" we're gonna pay for marriage equality?  More wedding cakes sold?  More tuxes rented?  More happy couples in monogamous relationships?

    I'm sure that the preacher will blame a few hurricanes and earthquakes on teh gay.

    •  I'd like to know if Alzeimers is a (2+ / 0-)
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      punishment from God. It's going to cost a trillion to care for the afflicted by ~ 2050. Because of teh marriage equality? The 55 million babies killed? The white babies now < 50% of infants born in the USA?

      Frothy Rick probably has it right. It's because almost everyone but him and 350,000 ministers and priests, have been enjoying protected sex - way more often than they do it to procreate. The women who continue to enjoy when we can no longer procreate...

      We probably will get blamed for all those sex toys too. Even though they make a profit.

      "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

      by Ginny in CO on Thu May 17, 2012 at 09:17:15 PM PDT

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  •  "For the laborer is worthy of his hire". (4+ / 0-)

    Why is it these asshats don't recognize that their bible never says "blessed is the unfettered capitalist for he shall rape the workers".

    Rabid evangelicals focus more on the ten commandments (old testament) than the beatitudes (new testament/new covenant).

    To quote The Church Lady, "Well, isn't that con-VEN-ient!"

    I know about Garlow.  I knew people from Skyline church (formerly Skyline Weslyan Church) going back to the early 1970s.  It was never a bastion of liberalism under Pastor Orville Butcher--BUT--it was never the anti-gay hatefest it has become under his tenure.

    Jesus wept.

    (That sound you are hearing is a paradigm being shifted at Warp Factor Infinity using no clutch.)

    by homogenius on Thu May 17, 2012 at 07:41:25 PM PDT

    •  They can't even live by the 10 Old Rules. (4+ / 0-)
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      Their leaders are absolute thieves with their mega-ministries stealing money, literally, from the mouths of babes.

      They hate any of their neighbors who disagree with them and love few, if any, other people.

      "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

      by 417els on Thu May 17, 2012 at 08:28:42 PM PDT

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      •  What about other Commandments? (1+ / 0-)
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        They lie throught their teeth, they condone murder (both hate killings and illegal wars), and don't get me started on their sex lives and coveting their neighbours' wives (and daughters, and sons, and . . .).

        FOSI: Full Of Shit Information - Both my sister and I are trivia freaks...

        by Spoc42 on Fri May 18, 2012 at 05:45:20 PM PDT

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        •  Heh. They make me so ill that I could only do two (1+ / 0-)
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          Besides, I wasn't sure I could name all ten (kind of like that 7th dwarf in Snow White).

          "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

          by 417els on Sat May 19, 2012 at 12:15:20 AM PDT

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          •  Bashful. (1+ / 0-)
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            90% of the time people forget Bashful.  Here's how I remember:

            Two begin with "S"-- Sleepy and Sneezy.

            Two begin with "D"-- Dopey and Doc.

            Two are opposites-- Happy and Grumpy.

            One is too shy to speak up, so he always gets left out-- Bashful.

            That's worked for me for 30 years

            (That sound you are hearing is a paradigm being shifted at Warp Factor Infinity using no clutch.)

            by homogenius on Sat May 19, 2012 at 10:59:10 AM PDT

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          •  Only three are important (0+ / 0-)

            Only three of the commandments are applicable and apliable from a secular point of view:

            - Murder
            - Theft
            - Lying

            Coveting, not honouring your god and your parents, adultery, etc. are not in the law books, for good reason.

            BTW, how many commandments are there? Depending on how you count, there are 8, 10, 12, or over 600.

            FOSI: Full Of Shit Information - Both my sister and I are trivia freaks...

            by Spoc42 on Sat May 19, 2012 at 04:21:18 PM PDT

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  •  $16 Trillion because of the bloodlust of bush (11+ / 0-)

    and his torture cabal and the bloodlust of the conservative churches who brought the military into the House of G*d to solicit their young people for the meat grinder of Iraq.

    If 350,000 pulpits stood, would have stood for the last fifty, sixty, seventy, eighty years. We wouldn't have a debt of sixteen trillion in unfunded liabilities that can cause us to economically self-destruct.
    Pulpits 50, 60 or 70 years ago DID stand up. For civil rights, social justice and against unnecessary wars that drain our treasury. BUT this time around the pulpits stood up with loudspeakers to encourage the illegal and bloodthirsty war of Bush and fed their children into the quagmire.  

    Thou shalt not steal from future generations? Those Prosperity Megachurches stole not only the future of 1million Iraqis, but the future of hundreds of thousands of American young soldiers who died or were maimed.

    And the $16 trillion pissed into the hot sands of Iraq. For no reason whatsoever other than to let George W Bush strut his Mission Accomplished banner and pretend to be a flyboy because 40 years ago he was too afraid to do the real job in Vietnam.  

    The Prosperity Gospel has led this nation astray and that SOB needs to get knocked on his ass with that information.


    In my honor he pulled out old forgotten dignity and walked straight in a crooked world. ~~poetry of young Barack Obama

    by bronte17 on Thu May 17, 2012 at 07:42:04 PM PDT

  •  why Kos is correct: there is an American Taliban (7+ / 0-)
    But there's still a difference between expressing an opinion and demanding the United States government write their laws in order to codify your opinion as the only valid one.

    slutty voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare." 政治委员, 政委!

    by annieli on Thu May 17, 2012 at 07:43:22 PM PDT

  •  The one safeguard against these ultrnuts actually (2+ / 0-)
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    creating the world they think we should live in is:  They are SO obsessed by their prejudices and fantasies, down to the tiniest details, that they'll never be able to come together to pull it together...they fight among themselves about the number of angels who can fit on the head of a pin...and whether those angels are Catholics or Southern Baptists or Westboro Baptists or Fundamental Bible Baptists or Born Again Jews for Jesus.  

    In addition, they all have an unnatural preoccupation with human genitals and what one does with one's own - while they ignore what they and their fellow travelers do to other people's genitals....rape, child molestation and patronizing victims of human trafficking in prostitution.

    As odious, obnoxious and repulsive as they are...as dangerous as they could be...they drill down on hateful details nourished by their ignorance to such an exaggerated  extent that any 'big pictures' of human existence is invisible to them.

    "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

    by 417els on Thu May 17, 2012 at 08:12:59 PM PDT

  •  He's right, they're not moral equivalents. (5+ / 0-)

    One side's idea of morality is fighting ignorance, poverty, violence, cruelty, war, mendacity, and theft.

    The other side's idea of morality is entirely limited to sticking its nose into everyone's bedroom. (And they expect the government to help them do it.) As for violence, theft, lying--they're cool with it.  These are the people who didn't blink an eye when Bush lied his way into a trillion-dollar war with hundreds of thousands of casualties--but they're still blathering because 14 years ago, someone they never met got a BJ from someone else they never met.  Sexual convention is their ONLY moral value.

    Whatever happened to make these people so screwed up is genuinely tragic. But we've got to stop pandering to them.

    •  The only question is... (4+ / 0-)
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      ...does religion create the stupid and the malicious, or does it simply attract them?  

      •  A little of both (2+ / 0-)
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        Most people have religion thrust upon them (some even have it thrust into them-- mostly Catholic children) in early childhood. People are bathed in religious stupidity from early on. The smart ones eventually escape from the gravity well of religious ignorance.
        Anyone in the 21st century that still believes in the invisible sky fairy is a damned fool only slightly more respectable than the nutjobs putting saddles on dinosaurs in the KY Creation Museum.
        I'll posit that religion does more net harm to people than good. The token charity work some religious cults do is outweighed by all the child rape, anti-woman legislation, pro-war, hate for the poor and homophobic bigotry that consumes modern religious cults. And no, there is no difference between cults and organized religion. They only differ in the number of adherents.
        I'm sick of religious bullshit and grow more hostile to all things religious on a daily basis. We all would do well to throw off the shackles of such primitive superstitious beliefs.

        --- Keep Christian mythology out of science class!

        by cybersaur on Fri May 18, 2012 at 08:54:12 AM PDT

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  •  Respectfully disagree about Louie G (3+ / 0-)
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    About a week ago, one of the closest runners-up for America's Dumbest Congressmen, Louie Gohmert (no, you will not be able to convince me he is dumber than Rep. Allen West, so save your breath on that one) held a prayer event at the Capitol.
    Sorry, Hunter, but I do so love this debate.

    West is a piece of work but I view him, while painfully and profoundly ignorant on pretty much any subject one could name  -  as more of a mean-spirited, petty SOB.  Most self-loathing bullies are.  Stupid but devious in a dangerous way.

    But Louie, man, is in a class by himself.  To steal the comparison the guy in Ghostbusters used, "If you had a Twinkie the size of his stupidity....... well.............. let's just say you'd have a damned big Twinkie."  Dumb to the core and equally dangerous, just in a different way.

    "Go forth and be a tool for Jesus!"  -  Rev. Gig LeCarp

  •  As usual, they preach about the debt, abortion... (3+ / 0-)
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    etc., yet it is the very folks they support that do nothing to create an environment in which women can plan to have children at their choosing. They support politicians who love deficit spending, and if I remember correctly, the last administration left in its wake a spitload of unfunded mandates.

    If these so called men/women of g_d were truly concerned about budgets, etc., they would be praising President Clinton. These men/women could care less about the teachings of Christ; they wish to curry favor with Ceaser.

    "There's room at the top they're telling you still...A working class hero is something to be If you want to be a hero well just follow me." Working Class Hero-John Lennon

    by p a roberson on Fri May 18, 2012 at 03:14:06 AM PDT

    •  Say what you mean (2+ / 0-)
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      These men/women could care less about the teachings of Christ
      couldn't care less.
      Saying they could care less indicates that they do, in fact, care. Which they don't. They care so little that they could not care less. Couldn't care less.

      --- Keep Christian mythology out of science class!

      by cybersaur on Fri May 18, 2012 at 08:57:44 AM PDT

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      •  In the rush, spell check... (0+ / 0-)

        failed me.

        "There's room at the top they're telling you still...A working class hero is something to be If you want to be a hero well just follow me." Working Class Hero-John Lennon

        by p a roberson on Fri May 18, 2012 at 05:04:09 PM PDT

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      •  Wish I could rec you a hundred times (0+ / 0-)

        The misuse of that one phrase is one of the ones that drive me up the wall, because the writers are saying exactly the opposite of what they mean.

        Others include the its/it's problem, people who can't use their/there/they're properly, plus others I'm sure most of you can work out for yourselves.

        At least most people seem to have mastered rite/write/right/wright these days.

        FOSI: Full Of Shit Information - Both my sister and I are trivia freaks...

        by Spoc42 on Fri May 18, 2012 at 05:55:25 PM PDT

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  •  Somehow Jesus always says it louder (2+ / 0-)
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    when there's a Democrat in the White House.
    Praise be.

  •  They have been doing this since Washington (0+ / 0-)

    retired from the Presidency and John Adams was elected. His Federalist partisans claimed that Thomas Jefferson's goal was to burn down all of the churches, and worse, as I recounted in Godless, Gritless Liberals, Then and Now.

    The Federalists attacked the fifty-seven-year-old Jefferson as a godless Jacobin who would unleash the forces of bloody terror upon the land. With Jefferson as President, so warned one newspaper, "Murder, robbery, rape, adultery, and incest will be openly taught and practiced, the air will be rent with the cries of the distressed, the soil will be soaked with blood, and the nation black with crimes." Others attacked Jefferson's deist beliefs as the views of an infidel who "writes against the truths of God's words; who makes not even a profession of Christianity; who is without Sabbaths; without the sanctuary, and without so much as a decent external respect for the faith and worship of Christians."
    You would think he was Kenyan.

    Busting the Dog Whistle code.

    by Mokurai on Fri May 18, 2012 at 05:59:41 AM PDT

  •  My question for those people (3+ / 0-)
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    who want religion in government is always, "Do you want the government in your church?"  It's pretty much the same thing, if you ask me.

    And to the people who want religion taught in the public schools as science, I ask, "Do you mind if I send some scientists over to your church to teach Sunday school?"

    •  Schools need zero tolerance "Religion Free" zones (2+ / 0-)
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      ...of about a 10 mile radius around them!
      Few things in life send me into a foaming at the mouth rage like ignorant, religious nutjobs trying to shoehorn their fucking stupid religious mythology into science class.

      --- Keep Christian mythology out of science class!

      by cybersaur on Fri May 18, 2012 at 09:08:51 AM PDT

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  •  If a frog had wings (2+ / 0-)
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    If 350,000 pulpits stood, would have stood for the last fifty, sixty, seventy, eighty years. We wouldn't have a debt of sixteen trillion in unfunded liabilities that can cause us to economically self-destruct.
    If they had paid taxes that whole time, we'd be a lot better off right now.

    -5.38 -4.72 T. Atlas shrugged. Jesus wept.

    by trevzb on Fri May 18, 2012 at 08:09:58 AM PDT

  •  Revising history: (2+ / 0-)
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    If 350,000 pulpits stood, would have stood for the last fifty, sixty, seventy, eighty years. We wouldn't have a debt of sixteen trillion in unfunded liabilities that can cause us to economically self-destruct.
    They demanded their parishioners vote for the people who ran up 15 trillion in debt with their faux concern for abortion and the gays. Your people voted specifically for the very things that happened!

    "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

    by CFAmick on Fri May 18, 2012 at 08:34:17 AM PDT

    •  This is projection (0+ / 0-)

      They are projecting the evil in their hearts, and they evil they have caused and created, onto their enemies.

      That alone shows them to be totally insane.

      FOSI: Full Of Shit Information - Both my sister and I are trivia freaks...

      by Spoc42 on Fri May 18, 2012 at 05:58:52 PM PDT

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