Found via the always amusing Wonkette

Among accepted transfer students, the average combined math and verbal score on the Scholastic Aptitude Test is a 1,100 ... SNIP ...
Only 450 students applied to transfer to Columbia in 1981 and sixty-seven were admitted, according to the Columbia Spectator ... SNIP ...
If Obama’s SAT scores were near the average of the transfer students entering Columbia in the fall of 1981, he would have scored significantly lower than George W. Bush, whose combined math and verbal scores were 1206 out of a possible 1600 points (as revealed by the New Yorker in 1999).

Notice that "If".

If Obama was average.

If the guy who later edited the Harvard Law Review had average scores ...

IF!!!

Let me expose this as idiocy, in case it isn't clear that it's idiocy.

67 students with an average score of 1100. That's a total of 67*1100 = 73,700.

Suppose Barack Obama, transfer student to Columbia, actually had the worst possible score of 800, and got in because of SOROS CONSPIRACY OMG!. That means the other 66 would have had an average score of 72,900/66 = 1105; that is, Obama's 300 point deficit would have been made up for by 66 other people, requiring slightly less than 5 extra points each.

Or, contrariwise, suppose Barack Obama, transfer student to Columbia, actually had the best possible score of 1600. That means the other 66 would have had an average score of 72,100 / 66 = 1092; that is, Obama's 500 point surplus would have required the other 66 people to each score about 8 points less.

In other words, there is no plausible way to deduce Barack Obama's SAT scores from knowledge of the average score of a group of 67 which included him. A much better way to estimate his SAT scores and academic potential would be to look at his grades. He did not achieve honors at Columbia; he did graduate from Harvard Law School magna cum laude, which I think indicates a fairly high level of functioning.

He's a black man that's smarter than you are, Brietbartians. Just accept that, deal with it, and move on.

Oh, and BTW, Brietbartians, all the math in this article was done in my head, because my SAT scores are also higher than yours. Liberals smart; conservatives stupid; no further discussion required.

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• ##### the ghost of Breitbart continues digging for smut(21+ / 0-)

and makes up stuff to fit their "facts."

"Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

• ##### man they are twisting themselves(38+ / 0-)

somehow trying to make the "Obama is dumber than Bush was" accusation seem true.

And wow. The only ones that ACTUALLY end up looking dumb is, surprise surprise, members of the website brietbart.com

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• ##### meh(31+ / 0-)

Having high SAT scores is not an indicator of how smart you are, it shows how good you are at taking the test.

Signed - 1600 SAT.

• ##### Agreed (1500)(15+ / 0-)

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• ##### anteaters are graded on a curve.......given 1800(10+ / 0-)

points outright....egro......-300....lol

• ##### But it's an unsigned integer(8+ / 0-)

So -300 appears to be 16,084.

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• ##### Is this 16-bit integer arithmetic?(8+ / 0-)

Blue, 16-bit arithmetic is so 20th century. You must be an old guy --- like me....

• ##### Back when I took the SAT(10+ / 0-)

16 bits were plenty!

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• ##### What's The Word? Thunderbird(3+ / 0-)
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How's it sold?  Good and cold.

What's the price?  Thirty twice.

That's the kind of math I can do in my head, and my SAT math score was obscenely high.

• ##### seconded -- (never took the SAT's(1+ / 0-)
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straight A student at my University anyway)

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• ##### I went the other way. Pretty good SAT's, but(0+ / 0-)

grades sucked until my senior year.  I really loved the GRE's, though.  I killed on those.

• ##### And besides that(19+ / 0-)

What gets looked at for transfer students is not your sat scores. It's how you did in college, because you're transferring, so you have college credits already.

There are scholarships specifically for transfer students. Theyre awarded based on your college gpa. Lots of transfer students, especially if they're transferring from a community college, might not even have taken the sat.

• ##### Do we know(7+ / 0-)

if Bush actually took the test?  Or, did his daddy send a surrogate?

Buddy, can you spare a paradigm?

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• ##### If his daddy sent a ringer(1+ / 0-)
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bush would have done better than 1206.

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• ##### my understanding is that SAT scores are relatively(0+ / 0-)

good predictors of how well you'll do in college. They were not meant to indicate how smart you are.
And, as I say in my little statistics comment above, individual experience may vary. That is -- just because someone does poorly on an SAT doesn't mean they'll do badly in college, and just because they ace the SAT doesn't mean they'll do well.
My oldest daughter's best friend didn't do great on the SAT and even though she was a straight A student in high school in honors and AP classes, she didn't get into our state school (she appealed and eventually got in). She did very well in college. Another friend is a super test taker and scored extremely well -- went to the state school. He did just fine there, but he certainly didn't outperform her other friend.

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• ##### Having known a number of high SAT scorrers(4+ / 0-)
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from the pre-writting-test days, I have never met anyone with exceptional (1500+) scores who did not strike me as at least reasonably bright. That said, I have known a lot of people who struck me as reasonably bright who did not score at that level.

That said, it is a teachable test, and practice does matter.

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• ##### Same here.(1+ / 0-)
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I did ok/very good on the SAT, 560 verbal/690 math but came from a language/reading deficient but fairly strong science and math household and was not nearly as fluent a writer and reader as my talent would have allowed.

I think I could have scored 1600 with (much closer to) optimal education.

• ##### That makes a lot of sense.(0+ / 0-)

When people ask me for advice on doing well on the SAT, I tell them to take a few practice tests to get used to it, but if they want to raise their verbal scores any more, read.

For that matter, some people don't test well for any number of reasons.

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• ##### I missed out on taking the SAT...(1+ / 0-)
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because I moved between my junior and senior years and no one told me I had to sign up to take it.  So my score would be none or zero.

Does that mean I have no brain at all?  Of course not I just use a different metric i.e. the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery that I took to get into the Marines.  Now I don't know exactly what my score was but I do know that at one point in 1988 there was only one Marine in my battalion of over 800 that scored higher than me and that was a boot 2ndLt who had just graduated the previous year from MIT.

Now, I don't as a general rule make bets unless I'm relatively certain of winning.  Would anyone here be willing to bet me that I didn't score higher than Bush?

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• ##### Baloney. Almost pure.(0+ / 0-)

So you'd say low SAT scores indicate high intelligence?

It's not a perfect measure, but there is a very strong correlation with intelligence and excellent SAT scores.

There's a correlation of .82 (=pretty high; 1 means 100% predictive/correlation) between g and the SAT test and .81 between SAT and IQ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...

"IQ tests don't measure how smart you are either."

• ##### Statistics, how do they work?(17+ / 0-)

lol at breitbart.

The average IQ of a wingnut is 80, and if the crew at breitbart's IQ is near the average, well they're dumb as a bag of hammers.

PS: while these are made up statistics, my conclusion is more valid than the one reached by breitbart's crew.

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• ##### Obama Derangement Syndrome running amuck....(15+ / 0-)

'This' is the way to appeal to independents.....lol

• ##### Teh Math is HARD!(12+ / 0-)

Ultimately, the only thing that matters with respect to preserving choice is who will be nominating the next Supreme Court Justices.

• ##### Oh good grief!(29+ / 0-)

I clicked the link, and now I'm going to have to wipe the cooties from my computer.
Their source is a college newsaper article from 1981:

A Nov. 18, 1981 article in the Columbia Spectator, “Tight Housing Discourages Transfer Applications to CC,” written by student Jeremy Feldman and quoting admissions officials, reported: “On paper at least, the quality of the students accepted [as transfers] has declined along with the number of applicants, the officials say.”

Feldman, quoting Robert Boatti, Assistant Dean of Admissions, as well as the late college Dean Arnold Collery, continued:

Boatti also attributed the drop in transfer application to the College’s policy of requiring transfer students to take courses in its core curriculum and to the limited availability of financial aid for them.

He added a “majority” of the transfers come here from college in the New York area. Many come from community colleges, rather than the nation’s top schools.

“Even the unhappiest people don’t transfer from Harvard,” Boatti said.

In grades and other indicators of academic performance, the crop of transfer applicants “doesn’t stand out the way they did before,” [Dean Arnold] Collery said.

Boatti confirmed Collery’s observations.

Among accepted transfer students, the average combined math and verbal score on the Scholastic Aptitude Test is a 1,100 and their grade-point average at their former schools is about 3.0, Boatti said.

I see no mins, no maxes and no standard deviations.  I also saw no acknowledgement that Obama was not one of those transferees from a local community college, but rather from Occidental in L.A., thus was not typical of the "majority" of transferees.  Nor was there any acknowledgement that Obama went on to Harvard and was a professor at the U of C, and that such an academic record speaks a bit more than the average Columbia transfer student's SAT score in 1981.
What a gross abuse of statistics, and what ridiculous straw grasping. I doubt Brietbart.com has the sense to be embarrassed.

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• ##### Big Breitbart dot com...(17+ / 0-)

proof that death doesn't cure stupidity.

Because this community is worth staying and fighting for.

• ##### Not only is he smarter...(29+ / 0-)
He's a black man that's smarter than you are, Brietbartians. Just accept that, deal with it, and move on.
He is more popular, better looking, an all around better human being and he is President of the United States Of America!

How do you like them apples?

• ##### and(1+ / 0-)
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• ##### Joe said(0+ / 0-)

he carries a big stick, so . . . .

ya know . . .

Why is it that a 3% tax increase for the wealthy is considered "socialism" and an 8% wage cut for the middle class is "doing your part"? MartyM

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• ##### No, I don't know and frankly, I'd rather not(0+ / 0-)

find out, thank you very much.  I didn't enjoy finding it out from Anthony Weiner, either.  I hate politicians who use it as a political divining rod, constantly using it to tell them which direction to move in and what to do once they get there.

President Barack Obama, thankfully, doesn't get led around by it no matter what size it is.

• ##### Plus he can sing AND(5+ / 0-)

hit a three point shot.  So there.

Proud Democrat since 1960.

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• ##### The main reason I'm here (31+ / 0-)

is that I'm much more adept verbally than mathematically.

Nonetheless, I've been able to pursue a very successful career as a scientist. If anyone looked at my test scores or report cards noting year after year that I didn't live up to my "potential", I should have wound up jobless, homeless, witless, and helpless.

At age 59, I have stopped worrying about what's on my dreaded "permanent record" ;-)

The only test I do well on is "real life".

Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

• ##### and that's enough for us!(10+ / 0-)

Be kind. It matters.

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• ##### Hmmmm(17+ / 0-)

Examines cassandracarolina's permanent record

You really should have been more respectful of your 7th grade math teacher.

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• ##### OMG how did you find that??(14+ / 0-)

I majored in "shredding" ;-)

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• ##### Actually, my best math teacher EVER(13+ / 0-)

was in 10th grade - a towering guy with dark hair and a beard who spent his summers working at a logging camp in Maine. His job was figuring out how to cut each tree to get the maximum board-feet out of it. He was cool.

Unfortunately, my 7th grade math teacher left early in the year with a heart attack; 8th grade teacher was an alcoholic, 9th grade was once again a replacement/substitute who could barely maintain order.

Add to this the transition to "new math" in my elementary school years. We had "old math" three days a week; "new math" the other two. I feel as though I was mathematically sabotaged.

Oh... and in 5th grade, I spoke up in class and had to stay in during recess... doing long division problems. What WERE they thinking? Math as punishment? Great plan. Idiots.

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• ##### I got my start tutoring fifth grade math. A friend(9+ / 0-)

of my mother had a son who had failed fifth grade math, and the school cut a deal that he could go on to sixth grade if he remediated it over the summer.

I was hired (at 14 years old) to tutor him two hours a day, including the month that the family spent on Block Island. To emphasize to him that I was not there as a babysitter, we continued the lessons on island, I was paid extra for any babysitting, and the family lent me a bicycle.

I have no idea where in the depths of my 14 year old psyche I found this, but I started our first session with this: "You don't have to worry about math any more because I know you can learn it and I know I can teach it to you."

We did fine together, and he went on to have a happy relationship with math from then on.

Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

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• ##### I always said if life were multiple choice I would(3+ / 0-)
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be rich.  At the top of my game I could even do true/false.

I have always loved this job test joke.

Do these multiplication problems

9X2=
9X3=
9X4=
9X5=
9X6=
9X7=
9X8=
9X9=

and divide this square into 4 equal parts

Gets test paper and begins
mutters to self

oh no I can't do any of this.
I wonder how many I got wrong.

let's see

9X2= says 'one'  - writes 1
9X3=says 'two'  - writes 2
9X4=says 'three'  - writes 3
9X5=says 'four'  - writes 4
9X6=says 'five'  - writes 5
9X7=says 'six'  - writes 6
9X8=says 'seven'  - writes 7
9X9=says 'eight'  - writes 8
gets to the last one, scratches head
now what was that
recounts from bottom
9X2= 1 says 'eight'  - writes 8
9X3= 2 says 'seven'  - writes 7
9X4= 3 says 'six'  - writes 6
9X5= 4 says 'five'  - writes 5
9X6= 5 says 'four'  - writes 4
9X7= 6 says 'three'  - writes 3
9X8= 7 says 'two'  - writes 2
9X9= 8 says 'one'  - writes 1
yep that is 8 wrong
I counted twice
9X2= 18
9X3= 27
9X4= 36
9X5= 45
9X6= 56
9X7= 63
9X8= 72
9X9= 81
Shit I may as well sign it and turn it in
puts X in box provided
dividing it into 4 equal parts.

You're hired!!!

. . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

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• ##### But that square, in 4 equal parts is 20.25(1+ / 0-)
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81 is a square, that is, an integer raised to the power of 2 ( 9*9 - 9^2). 81/4 = 40.5/2 = 20.25

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• ##### don't be L7 it was the box at the bottom of the (0+ / 0-)

page.

Nevertheless, I can't do math by myself - - let alone in my head.

. . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

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• ##### I have to go Breitbart on that(15+ / 0-)

do we know that George Bush actually showed up for the SAT test or did his daddy take care of that too?

• ##### I'm having a hard time believing(14+ / 0-)

you can get into Columbia with two 550s on the SAT. Of course, I'm also having a hard time believing Dubya could score in the 600s on either test, so what do I know.

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• ##### As a transfer student after two years(7+ / 0-)

with a GPA of 3.0.

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• ##### Sure you could(8+ / 0-)

Get a 4.0 gpa in your first two years at a community college or other college, you won't have any problem transferring to almost any school.

Hell, you'd even get into phi Theta kappa (the little brother to phi beta kappa)

• ##### Don't remember when it changed(7+ / 0-)

But the SAT I took (and probably W, as we're about the same age) had a lower composite max score than the one administered in more recent years. Today's 650 is like our 550—still a little low for Yalies, I would think.

But the important thing to remember is they're not directly comparable numbers. I had a 1282—ho-hum by today's standards, but just 18 points short of Mensa threshold in the old system.

I did much better in the Florida Senior Placements test (although that was graded in percentile rank, so I'm not sure just how grand it might have been).

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• ##### Thank you for the explanation.(0+ / 0-)

I was wondering how my scores, which had been very good at the time, could be closer to average now.

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• ##### Todays test is to 2400(0+ / 0-)

It used to be to 1600.

In the mid-90s they did a re-centering on the test which resulted in scores more scores at the high end, while still having an average of around 500 on each section and a total of 1000. Before the re-centering, there were about 12 1600s a year, after it, there were several hundred.

I took the test right after the re-centering, and I don't think I would have gotten a perfect score for having failed 2 verbal questions in the pre-re-centering days.

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• ##### The right just wants to apply pressure(5+ / 0-)

for Obama to release his academic record to potentially embarrass him and put him on the defensive - just as was done to Bush. This is the motivation for the speculation that his record was poor and admitted to Columbia and Harvard based upon lower standards via affirmative action (in contrast the Bush using legacy).

In any event not likely to be much of an issue for the election.

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• ##### Hey Breitbart, 1503 here(4+ / 0-)
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and I think you're an ass.

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• ##### Dear God..(7+ / 0-)

Further evidence that Americans don't know any statistics.

By the way, there are ways of sussing out individual sample values from averages, but this requires far more information than was given here.

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• ##### Sure(8+ / 0-)

Give me mean, median, variance, and maybe some modality data and I'll start narrowing it down.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

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• ##### The problem with Dubya(18+ / 0-)

was not that he lacked native intelligence, but that he lacked the curiosity and drive to do much with the brain he was given.

He was more interested in drinking and partying in college than learning, and doesn't appear to have increased that interest after college.

I have no idea if he consumed enough alcohol and cocaine to actually affect mental functioning, though videos do suggest he was considerably more articulate when he first ran for gov in Texas than he was in 2000-2008.

In both TX and D,C,. he was known for short work hours.
The man was mentally lazy.

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• ##### Exactly(4+ / 0-)
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Lack of curiosity is much worse than just lack of intellect.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

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• ##### that's the term my mother always used for(2+ / 0-)
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people like him, and I've called him that many times.
I had a friend when I lived in St. Louis who performed mentally well above his level of "cleverness." What I mean is that, at best, he would score in the average range on standardized tests. But he was a very thoughtful guy, very deep. And he paid attention. His conclusions about things that were happening were far more insightful than those of many "smart" people. I relied on him for advice at a time when life was a bit difficult for me, and he always came through. That's the opposite of "mentally lazy."

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• ##### New Kew Lar always drove me up a wall(0+ / 0-)

screaming and wailing like a banshee - it's New Clear, damnit!  The fact that he should know better and still chose the wrong pronunciation showed me how much he held actual knowledge in contempt.

• ##### A cousin of mine...(1+ / 0-)
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in Texas went on double-dates with GWB a few times. Didn't like him much; her assessment is that he was reasonably smart, but was stubborn as a mule and couldn't be bothered with facts once he'd made up his mind.

• ##### Stupid is has stupid does.(4+ / 0-)
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We know who did the most stupid doing.

"Drudge: soundslike sludge, islike sewage."
(-7.25, -6.72)

• ##### I should also say: great analysis! (5+ / 0-)

That is the kind of thinking that is so lacking in today's discourse. Thanks for the illustration of how it shoudl be done.

"Maybe this is how empires die - their citizens just don't deserve to be world leaders anymore." -Kossack Puddytat, In a Comment 18 Sept 2011

• ##### Legacy versus Affirmative Action(8+ / 0-)

What's hilarious is it's so obvious to everyone that the legacy cases are frauds like George W. Bush, who was NOT accepted into Texas Law School,  but was accepted to Harvard (because of Daddy).

Bush coasts into his entire life as a legacy, and the cons say nothing.

Obama earns his way on merits, and they assume he was given affirmative action help.

Unreal.

Same thing for Willard Romney.  He's a "businessman" who just happened to have everything handed to him by his powerful father.

The party of "personal responsibility" can't even find a single republican candidate who wasn't born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

And these frauds then want these sons of privilege like Bush and Romney to lecture the rest of us on "hard work"???

WTF?!?

• ##### Add Clinton into the mix, on the Obama side. (2+ / 0-)
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Clinton made his own way through life to about the same degree Obama did, which means they earned the help they got, and worked their asses off.
Clinton has his problems, but his life story is admirable, as is Obama's.

We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

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• ##### Oh, great.(3+ / 0-)
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Now the birthers will be after the president's SAT scores.

I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

• ##### That's one of their goals(1+ / 0-)
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avsp

Get his grades released and find something, anything, to attack.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

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• ##### It Kills The GOP That A Black Man(3+ / 0-)
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is POTUS and that he is actually intelligent.  It is hard for most republicans to get over it, but they just can't.  The GOP candidate Mitt Romney is so white and surper rich with lots of hair and drives the right cars and has elevators for the cars that he is just a dream candidate for them they can almost wet their pants.  The only other one with the hair, white, super rich guy would be Trump.  They had to take second best.

"Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

• ##### I blame "reality" tv.(0+ / 0-)

It has skewed so many American's perception of what real people actually do and say and how they behave and how they live.

Mitt is the fantasy white guy they think they can be if they just work hard enough.  Or shoulda been... or whatever.

• ##### J.H.C!!!(3+ / 0-)
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1206!

REALLY??

I had no idea.  President of the f^%\$ing United States...

1206???

I'm just guessing, but I think anyone could listen to Mr. Obama talk for about 3 minutes and figure out that his SAT scores were higher than 1206.

OMFG, how did we survive eight years of GWB?

• ##### How?(3+ / 0-)
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Barely.

I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

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• ##### We survived because America(4+ / 0-)

really is exceptional and the system we have built over the years continues to function despite the people will elect.

Which is not to say it can't eventually fail. But we are stronger than any President.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

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• ##### Hey, I only got slightly better than (2+ / 0-)
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that, take it easy ;)

"Back off, back off, he's got his own dreams that won't come true!"

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• ##### My statistics prof in undergraduate school(3+ / 0-)

worked on a university committee developing a revised admissions decision-making process.  His role was to study various metrics and determine which ones correlated most closely with achievement after admission among the sample population of students admitted in the preceding decade. In other words, he was tasked with determining which, of the various factors the admissions process might use, would be the best predictors of success in college and which would be the worst.

I never saw the statistics myself, but he told us what the worst predictors were:

1.  SAT scores
2. ACT scores

• ##### That site needs to go the way of the breitfart...(1+ / 0-)
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"I'm not scared of anyone or anything, Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?" Jack Hawksmoor

• ##### Yup, liberals are smarter(1+ / 0-)
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blue aardvark

My SAT was 1440 (in 1986 before they dumbed it down) and my GRE was 1510 (770/740/740)

Atheism is a religion like Abstinence is a sexual position. - Bill Maher, 2/3/2012

• ##### I have to wonder about that(1+ / 0-)
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since 770+740+740 = 2250.

My GRE scores were perfect, 3x800.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

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• ##### They score the GRE(1+ / 0-)
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blue aardvark

based on Math & Verbal - the Analytical is extra credit, I guess.  Perhaps so they can compare to SAT scores or something.

The 770 math was in the 93rd percentile, and the 740 verbal and analytical were both in the 99th percentile, I took it in...2000, I think...never did go to grad school though, my plans changed.

Grats on the perfect score btw ;)

Atheism is a religion like Abstinence is a sexual position. - Bill Maher, 2/3/2012

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• ##### Thank you(0+ / 0-)

I also scored an 800 on modesty.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

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• ##### So, for four years ...(2+ / 0-)
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... the Legions of Loon have been asking for the president's records. It's almost hard to believe that no one paid attention to them ...

• ##### Back when Dubya was taking SATs(0+ / 0-)

they didn't verify identity much. Maybe that 1206 was because Daddy hired someone to take his SATs for him.  I'd be more interested in comparing his scores on the LSATs (when he wanted to go to law school at UT and couldn't get accepted) with Obama's.

The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

• ##### I'm going to use that logic(2+ / 0-)
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marathon, eyesoars

at my next physical; when the doctor starts lecturing me about my weight, I'm going to say, "Well, in a group of 1000 women the average weight is 130 which is a perfectly healthy weight for me at my height." The fact that about 90% of that group of women are supermodels who've starved themselves is beside the point.

Mitt Romney: the Etch-A-Sketch candidate in the era of YouTube

• ##### Well, the 'average' transfer student for Columbia(1+ / 0-)
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..was probably a U.S. citizen, so I guess that ends all the birther talk from Breitbart, et al.

"To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well." Justice Robert Jackson, Chief Prosecutor, Nuremberg.

• ##### NMSQT(0+ / 0-)

The PSAT is also referred to as the NMSQT - National Merit Scholar Qualifying Test.  If BO did really well on the PSAT he would have been recognized as a National Merit Commended Scholar, and a NMS finalist if his grades were good.  There will be a clear record of the NMSQT commended scholars & finalists, as well as their test scores.  (while PSAT is not identical to SAT it's a good indication)

"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." - Originally said by someone who can do neither.

• ##### NMSQT's scores...(0+ / 0-)

were twice the verbal score plus the math score, at least in the old days when old farts like GWB, BHO, and I were working on our degrees. The nominal PSAT score was also the SAT score divided by 10: e.g., a 68 PSAT score is nominally equivalent to a 680 on the SAT.