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It's the non-story story that won't die, no matter how much voters don't want to hear about it anymore. Yet another story on Elizabeth Warren's Cherokee heritage demonstrates that her claims had nothing to do with her career advancement.
“At some point after I was hired by them, I . . . provided that information to the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard,’’ she said in a statement issued by her campaign. “My Native American heritage is part of who I am, I’m proud of it and I have been open about it.’’ [...]

Two key people who recruited her to Harvard have said they did not know of her purported heritage or take it into account when hiring her. The school did not promote her as a Native American when she was hired, despite the fact that it was under intense pressure to diversify its faculty with more minorities.

At some point, one would think the Massachusetts press (not counting the Herald, which doesn't count as journalism) would take a cue from their readers and just move on. We've already had one poll showing the smear has been rejected by voters, and that a huge majority of them don't care: 69 percent said Warren’s Native American heritage listing is "not a significant story."

The Springfield Republican and found that out directly just this week, from the horses' mouths, when they interviewed 24 voters selected to proportionally represent the state's electorate. The people already supporting either candidate hadn't changed positions, but the unaffiliated voters gave a collective yawn, with three-quarters of them saying they just don't care. Here's a representative quote:

Rosalind Davidson, 85, an unaffiliated voter and retired teacher from Cambridge, said she does not believe Warren benefited from listing her heritage. “She is so competent she certainly doesn’t need anything to verify her ability as a professor and lawyer,” Davidson said. “They were just hunting for something.” Davidson said the truth about Warren’s ancestry doesn’t matter to her. “Maybe she is (Native American), ok, fine. Maybe she isn’t, ok, fine.”
"They were just hunting for something." Yep. Scott Brown, and the hardcore of his supporters (the core some national bloggers—Rachel Weiner of The Fix, I'm looking at you—think is critical, however small it might be) will keep harping on this, with the racist and sexist Herald flogging it for all it's worth. Which has proven to be by now pretty much nothing.

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Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Thu May 31, 2012 at 08:11 AM PDT.

Also republished by Massachusetts Kosmopolitans and Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (26+ / 0-)

    "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

    by Joan McCarter on Thu May 31, 2012 at 08:11:41 AM PDT

  •  I feel incredibly naive because I just don't get (11+ / 0-)

    why this story continues to have legs. It doesn't matter. Polls show it doesn't matter to voters. There is nothing to the story.

    Should I feel encouraged that this is the best smear the Republicans can come up with against Warren? Because that is how I'm starting to perceive this.

    I can just about forgive the Brits for starting our revolutionary war and burning DC to the ground during the war of 1812 for giving us Led Zeppelin.

    by Pager on Thu May 31, 2012 at 08:17:55 AM PDT

  •  Scott Brown is trying to (8+ / 0-)

    stave off any focus on his record. It will fail in the long-run.

    Romney - 2012 - If You Want Honesty, Vote For The Other Guy!

    by kitebro on Thu May 31, 2012 at 08:19:15 AM PDT

  •  Next up: Warren has "icky female parts" n/t (11+ / 0-)

    When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Thu May 31, 2012 at 08:20:05 AM PDT

  •  Wait...wasn't it verified that she IS 1/32nd... (1+ / 0-)
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    Cherokee? Which is the same amount as the current Chief of the Cherokee Nation?

    How is this supposed to be a problem again?

    Romney 2012 - You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

    by Fordmandalay on Thu May 31, 2012 at 08:31:16 AM PDT

    •  It wasn't (9+ / 0-)

      There's no verification beyond her family lore - her words I believe - that she's part cherokee.

      The geneological society backed off of saying that they have any proof of ancestry.

      The right wing blogs have been pounding this issue for weeks - doesn't seem to have much of an impact of the polls though as Joan points out.

      Power-Worshipping Fascist

      by campionrules on Thu May 31, 2012 at 08:40:30 AM PDT

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      •  Who friggin' CARES? (5+ / 0-)

        This is utterly inane. Them righties got NUTTIN'.

        Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07.

        by anastasia p on Thu May 31, 2012 at 08:50:10 AM PDT

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        •  Well I understand why the right is pushing it (18+ / 0-)

          Let's take the flip side -

          Hypothetical Republican candidate claims to be of native american descent. Although he claims this repeatedly he can't provide any actual proof. When questioned on it, he his response is " My dad told me about it".

          Do you really think there wouldn't be some diaries on this site attacking him?

          Personally I have very strong doubts that this will affect the Mass. voting electorate in any measurable or meaningful way.

          But again, to play devil's advocate, Warren's handling of this issue hasn't exactly been super duper either. Not that there is really anything she can do to get the right wing attack dogs off her case - that's a hopeless situation.

          Power-Worshipping Fascist

          by campionrules on Thu May 31, 2012 at 08:55:01 AM PDT

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          •  Good points. (13+ / 0-)

            Her handling has been lousy, and if this were a GOP candidate there'd be diary after diary about how if a person can't be honest about minor things they won't be honest about anything, et& et&.

            •  I agree (6+ / 0-)
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              auapplemac, carolanne, EdMass, Matt Z, CatM, VClib

              Personally, I don't buy the right wing meme that she benefited in any material way when she listed herself as a minority. At least I don't see any other outcomes besides Harvard getting to tout a more 'diverse' faculty. Not really a benefit to her.

              My opinion is that what Warren has been saying all along is true. Her mom told her stories about her heritage growing up and she simply repeated this as fact - probably as more of a throwaway than anything else really - during her academic and then political career.

              The problem - when faced by political attacks over it - she hasn't been able to adeptly respond. First claiming there was documentation, then implying that the schools listed her without her knowledge. Since both of these diversions have been rebutted she's left in a weaker position - according to the right - than before.

              I don't know if she should really be surprised - welcome to full contact American politics circa 2012

              Power-Worshipping Fascist

              by campionrules on Thu May 31, 2012 at 09:06:24 AM PDT

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            •  She is literally running away from (1+ / 0-)
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              reporters.  She couldn't have handled it worse and her cheerleaders here have been wrong every step of the way.  Now the prevailing wisdom here, now that they have been proven wrong,  is "who cares?"  Well in a close election this might be enough to keep Brown in the senate.

          •  All right... I'm half Irish. (5+ / 0-)
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            rja, raster44, CatM, Matt Z, SuetheRedWA

            At least, I think I'm half Irish, because my father's side of the family came from Ireland. How do I know? My grandfather, who was born in Ireland, told me so. How does he know? He was 2 years old when his father brought him to the States. He knows because his father told him so.

            I don't have any documents proving my grandfather's family came from Ireland. From what I know of family lore, I don't even know what year they came from Ireland or where they entered this country, so searching for records would be problematic and probably fruitless. If there even was a family bible, it didn't get passed down to my father, or, if it did, he lost it.

            Perhaps I'm not typical. Perhaps everyone else has meticulous records going back several generations to prove their ancestry and heritage. But judging from the "meh" response to this issue by the good people of Massachusetts, I don't think I that's the case. I have a feeling they rely on family lore just as much as I and Elizabeth Warren do.

            "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

            by Orinoco on Thu May 31, 2012 at 09:36:55 AM PDT

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            •  Exactly. (4+ / 0-)
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              eXtina, PSzymeczek, raster44, Matt Z

              I'm an amateur genealogist (and proud member of the GHFC here at dkos). For years I was told my great great grandparents came from Germany. Nope. I found the ship's manifest from 1882. They arrived from a village in Prussia, near Gdansk in present-day Poland. They may have been ethnically German, but they didn't come from Germany, they came from Prussia. It's easy for incorrect information to get passed down.

              There is an inside joke amongst genealogists that all the lay-people have stories about having "a chief's daughter" amongst their ancestors. Henry Louis Gates even jokes about this often on his show, Finding Your Roots on PBS.

              The truth is, most of us have now idea where our grandparents were actually born (some of them even lie about their age!). Until you tart looing at the actual record you don't really grasp how little we actually pass along from one generation to another accurately, particularly considering it was only recently  that large numbers of our ancestors could even read and write.

            •  Orinoco, but you do know that your granddad (1+ / 0-)
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              was born in Ireland. There are his papers and those of your other relatives to prove it.

              In many cases, all you have to do is search. I've found the ship's manifests for my dad and my mom's parents who came over in the early part of the last century. I think it was the Ellis Island site.

              And there are always the genealogy sites, if you're really interested.

              As far as Native Americans go, don't know that there's much of a paper trail, but DNA might prove something.

              Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive. And... It’s the Supreme Court, stupid!

              by auapplemac on Thu May 31, 2012 at 02:31:56 PM PDT

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            •  For Cherokees (0+ / 0-)

              There is the Dawes List and I forget the name of the other one that was an attempt by the goverment to list all Cherokee people.  The last of the named people on the Dawes list recently died.  Thing you have to remember though is that it was the policy of the goverment at the time to kill, marginalize, or assimilate all natives.  I have names of great grandpas on both Mom and Dad's side on the list-but was it my ancestors....or just someone who shared the name?  Native history is word of mouth and to be told by ancestors is the way a native would have done it.  One great grandpa was denied his heritage because he gave his clan not his tribe.  But it has been mentioned here and elsewhere-this is not something you claimed back then, it was something you hid-your property and at times your life depended on it.

          •  The hypothetical republican candidate (1+ / 0-)
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            would probably hide his roots, like Maccaca tried to hide his Jewish heritage.

            Would we even be having this conversation if Elizabeth Warren had straight dark brown hair and brown eyes? I doubt it.

            Maybe these schools should have had a policy to verify Native American heritage through tribal enrollment before using it to tout their diversity. I certainly don't blame people who have been told their whole lives about their Native American ancestry (like me) and take it as gospel.

            The funny thing is that at the time Native American heritage came into Elizabeth Warren's family--like when it came into mine, with my great-great-grandmother marrying a white man--it was likely very scandalous.

            My great-grandfather, who was taken from his Native American mother and placed in an orphanage (but still knew his family), was very ashamed of having Native American heritage and never wanted to talk about it. My aunt was doing genealogical research and asked him about it and he snarled that "some things are better left alone."

            And yes, you could tell by looking at him that he had Native American heritage.

            I guess my point is that when white families had a Native American person marry into the family, it wasn't initially something they told successive generations because they were proud and wanted to remember it. If anything, they tried to cover it up and weren't very open about it. So the fact that the story survived to the present in Elizabeth Warren's case suggests to me there is likely some truth to it.

            We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

            by CatM on Thu May 31, 2012 at 04:36:58 PM PDT

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          •  You seem to be implying Warren has made (0+ / 0-)

            this claim repeatedly in your "flip side" example. I haven't seen anything to support that and I hope it's just hyperbole on your part about a hypothetical Repub. If anything, it seems she downplayed the info.

            News today (from

            Full statement by Elizabeth Warren on ancestry
            The following is the full statement provided to the Boston Globe by Elizabeth Warren’s campaign Wednesday night regarding her assertions of Native American ancestry.

            Growing up, my mother and my grandparents and my aunts and uncles often talked about our family’s Native American heritage. As a kid, I never thought to ask them for documentation - what kid would? - but that doesn’t change the fact that it is a part of who I am and part of my family heritage.

            The people involved in recruiting and hiring me for my teaching jobs, including Charles Fried - solicitor-general under Ronald Reagan who has publicly said he voted for Scott Brown in 2010 - have said unequivocally they were not aware of my heritage and that it played no role in my hiring. Public documents that reporters have examined also show I did not benefit from my heritage when applying to college or law school. As I have confirmed before, I let people know about my Native American heritage in a national directory of law school personnel. At some point after I was hired by them, I also provided that information to the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard. My Native American heritage is part of who I am, I’m proud of it and I have been open about it. ...

            Exultation is the going/Of an inland soul to sea... . (Emily Dickinson)

            by Southcoast Luna on Thu May 31, 2012 at 05:25:38 PM PDT

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    •  No it wasn't (0+ / 0-)

      Cherokees are 'demanding the truth' from Warren

      "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

      by eXtina on Thu May 31, 2012 at 03:50:11 PM PDT

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      •  I think the trolls (1+ / 0-)
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        are getting desparate, if this blog is their best effort.

        It's about time I changed my signature.

        by Khun David on Thu May 31, 2012 at 04:05:37 PM PDT

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        •  Supposedly this group is planning to picket (1+ / 0-)
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          the state Democratic convention in protest of Elizabeth Warren's alleged lies and exploitation of her non-Indianness, or something.   I haven't been able to learn much about the Twila Barnes who's supposedly spearheading this, but I'd be willing to bet a week's pay that this is being financed by one of the big right-wing organizations in an attempt to swiftboat Warren.  

          Worse - Warren's campaign response has been slow and clumsy on this and many other issues.  It's a mess, and I'm torn between the thought of voting for DeFranco in the primary as a protest and sitting it out because I don't want to weaken for the general election.  Warren is smart, tough, and a great debater, but her organization is dragging her down big-time.

    •  No that wasn't proven (0+ / 0-)

      and has been retracted.  She is 0/32 again.

  •  I was at a Warren/Patrick event yesterday (6+ / 0-)

    When the governor formally endorsed her and there was a Fox News "reporter" who (surprise, surprise!) just hammered away at this heritage thing. She had such a smug smile on her face too. But I do agree with johnny, her handling has been poor. Even yesterday she deferred to the governor, which I thought she shouldn't have done. She should be confronting these right wing hacks over why they are using this no-story as a cover to refuse discussing Brown's abysmal voting record.

  •  Willie Horton, Invented the Internet, Kerry/Viet (6+ / 0-)

    I love Warren.

    But she better get on the ball because whoever is running Brown's campaign is a HELL of a lot better than whoever is running Warrens.

    If the dialogue is about the issues then Warren is going to win.

    If Warren's campaign lets Browns surrogates and the news media keep the campaign on their attacks on Brown she will go down.

    Right now she seems to be pulling a Dukkakis, Kerry, Gore type campaign strategy which may lose the race for us.

    She's got the money she needs to go on the attack in a very vicious way right away.

    She needs to look at how Obama is attacking and creating a negative narrative about Romney.

    The Obama campaign are controlling the headlines and news mostly where Warrens campaign is being sidetracked by poor campaign strategy.

    Warren would end up being one of the best senators in US history I predict. It would be a total shame and waste of talent for her to lose just because her campaign is being mismanaged.

    •  Sorry, I don't see it. (5+ / 0-)

      What we're seeing from Senator Playgirl shows only his desperation — especially in Massachusetts, a state with a population that doesn't waste time shrieking & pointing over politicians being "nawt waht".

      Tell Congress: DON'T BREAK THE INTERNET! Fight CISPA! Stop Cyber Spying!

      by Brown Thrasher on Thu May 31, 2012 at 12:02:54 PM PDT

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      •  Could both be right. Likely are. (0+ / 0-)
      •  I see it on local message boards (1+ / 0-)
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        And yes, some of the posters are paid right-wing staffers, but a lot of the posters are locals and independents who aren't at all impressed...and this is far from the first instance of Warren's campaign fumbling.  If she loses, it'll be as much because of another bad Democratic campaign as anything Scott Brown does.

        •  Apparently those big turnout meetings (1+ / 0-)
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          in December, supposedly to get people to work for the campaign, were only for getting names on fund raising lists.

          I am forced to conclude this because of the total lack of any followup from the Warren campaign other than daily emails asking for money. And I'm not alone here.

          At this point I am seriously considering voting for her primary opponent as a protest vote.

          Yes, I'm pissed off at how this campaign is being run.

          The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

          by raboof on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 09:38:54 AM PDT

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          •  Same here (0+ / 0-)

            I'm very unimpressed by Warren's campaign, and am strongly considering voting for DeFranco.  I know she doesn't have a change at winning either the primary or the election, but Warren's campaign has been acting like this is a coronation, not an election, and I'm sick of it.  

    •  I agree I have been a volunteer for her and (1+ / 0-)
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      It's not true that people in Mass. don't care about the Cherokee dust-up.  It's just that we don't care if she is Cherokee.  We do care if she can't handle this kind of thing well.  Nobody doesn't have something in their pasts they forgot about when they decided to run for office.  That's one of the things that campaign consultants are paid to do.  So it's not true that it's a big yawn.  The way this is being handled  is  incredibly disheartnening for us, the supporters.  
      There are no campaigns here that I'm not out fighting for Dems to win.  I've been on the town or city Democratic committee whereever I've lived.  But I'm not going to campaign for another Martha Coakley, once was enough.

      WE must hang together or we will all hang separately. B.Franklin

      by ruthhmiller on Thu May 31, 2012 at 05:19:24 PM PDT

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  •  I'm from MA, she's doomed. Polls haven't caught up (2+ / 0-)
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    She just admitted today that she did give her minority information to the universities herself when last month she said she had no idea how the universities got ahold of that information.  It's game over.  

    MA has lots of top universities that have very little preference for locals.  Affirmative action is a hot topic among the soccer mom circles.  MA is also difficult to poll since so few voters are registered to either party.  

    The only thing that could save her now is huge enthusiasm for Obama in the general election from Democrats and her riding that coattail.  

  •  Warren is from Okla-freakin'-homa (4+ / 0-)

       Lots of Oklahomans are part Native American. It just goes with the territory. In fact, before statehood OK was known as Indian Territory, because that was where the tribes that were pushed out of the eastern states were forced to go. That includes the Cherokees...

         Why isn't somebody investigating whether Scott Brown really drives a truck? That would be about as important as Warren's genealogy.

          Fake Senator Brown just doesn't have much to run on, apparently...  (The real Sen. Brown is from Ohio).

    Diehard Swingnut, disgruntled Democrat, age 53, new CA-30

    by Zack from the SFV on Thu May 31, 2012 at 10:29:28 AM PDT

  •  And yet the Republican (1+ / 0-)
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    Has another front-page story about it this morning.  Local reporters, too, not the usual unthinking AP feed.  

    I can only assume that somebody there really loves Scott Brown.  It's a non-story; they know it's a non-story (there's always a paragraph buried somewhere that admits that there's no reason to think that whether or not she had a NA great-grandparent had any effect at all on her academic career); they know that the electorate isn't interested.  But none of it seems to make a difference: you might as well be getting your information straight from Fox.

    •  The Republican is a terrible newspaper. (0+ / 0-)

      The message boards are a cesspit of right wing blather, much of it from paid writers who claim it's too liberal.  The few times I've bought it recently I've ended up using the newsprint in my cat box.

  •  The only people who ever really cared (1+ / 0-)
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    about this story are Howie Carr and the guy who writes the condescending headlines about liberals on the front page of the Herald.

  •  Another instance of a Murdoch-led smearing (1+ / 0-)
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    The Herald should be consigned to the bottom of bird cages, where it belongs.

    "Mitt Romney isn't a vulture capitalist: vultures only eat things that are dead." -S. Colbert

    by newinfluence on Thu May 31, 2012 at 03:36:56 PM PDT

  •  Women are not allowed to be competent (1+ / 0-)
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    or even exceptional people in our society.  This is the man fighting for his due credit in her success.

  •  They harp on this 'cause they got nothing else to (3+ / 0-)
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    use agaisnt Warren.  

    As opposed to thier PosterBoy for WallStreet.

  •  Doesn't Romney Believe He's Noah's 5th Cousin? (2+ / 0-)
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    Can't Mitt trace his family tree directly back to
    Adam and Eve (5000 years ago), and doesn't he think he's the cousin of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus?  Does he have proof?

    And didn't that help Mitt get that job as a bishop?

    Why is Mitt entitled his bullshit fantasies about his family tree?

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Thu May 31, 2012 at 03:53:57 PM PDT

  •  All of this will end up meaning squat (2+ / 0-)
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    No one is going to vote for or against Elizabeth Warren because of anything that has to do with this issue.  Who are we kidding here.

    I hope Liz doesn't get tied up on this issue and lets it take her focus be taken away from the important issues in her campaign to defeat Brown.  

    This is a "glitch".  I'm surprised it is still in the media or even here on Daily Kos, to be honest.  But, alas, it is.

    - If you don't like gay marriage, blame straight people. They're the ones who keep having gay babies.

    by r2did2 on Thu May 31, 2012 at 03:54:22 PM PDT

  •  The Election Is 5 Months Away..... (4+ / 0-)
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    How is Scotty going to keep the l/32nd Cherokee story alive for 5 more months?

    Eventually people in Massachusetts are going to look at his voting record on student loan rates on women's access to health care & on corporate taxes.  Scotty is cute in his little farmer's jacket, but he's not that cute.  He's already done the truck thing too.  

    So....whether or not someone is l/32nd Cherokee or not & when they said it is the reason not to vote for them?

    What does that have to do w/ how you vote in the Senate?      

  •  Warren hasnt handled this well though (4+ / 0-)
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    This admission should have been made right at the beginning.

    Now you are giving the story legs for another couple of weeks, and with headlines like "Warren admits.." it now looks like she was trying to hide something.

    All that said , I think in the end, I think this wont matter.

  •  My dad told me (0+ / 0-)

    I'm 1/32 native American.  I think it's cool, although I haven't found the geneology records, and I trust his words.

    It's about time I changed my signature.

    by Khun David on Thu May 31, 2012 at 04:00:25 PM PDT

  •  It is a huge story (3+ / 0-)
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    It is a huge story - but only because it shows that Scott Brown likes race baiting.  I actually was considering voting for Scott Brown until his campaign decided to make an issue of her having a Native American ancestry.  I find it really disgusting that this is something that they even think worth bringing up.  Who cares that she is 1/32 Cherokee (the same amount as the Cherokee Chief btw)?  Why does that matter?  It only matters because Scott Brown is anti-Native American and wants to engage in race baiting.  It's really disgusting and pathetic.  And yes, I am a MA citizen.  I was indifferent to the campaign before, but now I will be voting, volunteering and donating to Warren.

  •  Guess what? I'm 1/16th Cherokee (4+ / 0-)

    At least according to family lore. My great-grandfather told us his mother was a full-blooded Cherokee woman, and my aunt confirmed this with his brother. Like Elizabeth Warren, I have no proof; my great-grandfather was taken from his mother and put into an orphanage. But like Elizabeth Warren, I never had reason to doubt my family's honesty. Nor have I ever shied away from acknowledging it.

    When I was a girl, I spent a lot of time in the sun, and people just assumed I had Native American Heritage. Although I'm pale these days, I have dark hair and an olive complexion, and people have no difficulty believing that I'm part Native American (in fact, my dermatologist asked me today if I had Native American heritage).

    Now, my kids are 1/8 Choctaw on their father's side and their grandmother and her parents and so on were all tribal enrolled. They and their father are not. Yet they have lighter hair than I do, and they and their father are incredibly white. This is because my ex-husband looks like his father. His sister, on the other hand, looks like her mother, and he was often teased about going to school with a "squaw."

    The Choctaw and the Cherokee are two of the five civilized tribes. They adopted Western customs, including Christianity, and associated with whites and it's therefore not surprising that many married outside their tribe. So, you can be blonde and blue-eyed and still be part Native American.

    Although it is shameful that some universities used Elizabeth Warren's heritage to paint themselves as caring about "diversity," that is hardly Elizabeth Warren's fault.

    Anyone who thinks employers hired her because they she had Native American heritage is giving these universities far too much credit. They hired her because she was an exceptionally qualified white woman and when they learned of her background decided to use it to avoid hiring a Native American more disadvantaged by his or her background.

    How dare people like Scott Brown try to shame those who, like Elizabeth Warren or my children, celebrate their diverse heritage and take pride in it yet don't "look the part."

    And by the way, are these conservatives saying they now support affirmative action and that Elizabeth Warren's spot should have gone to a "real" Native American? Or do I have that wrong, and they are actually saying her spot should have gone to a different white person?

    I hope that someday my kids take as active an interest in their Native American heritage as Elizabeth Warren took in hers. It is important that we not forget where we came from and what we owe to those who came before us and that intermarriage not be an excuse to let the rich Native American culture that once flourished in this land to die out.

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    by CatM on Thu May 31, 2012 at 04:26:09 PM PDT

  •  Its an attack on her credibility in a damaging way (0+ / 0-)

    Its a powerful attack especially against her and she should not ignore it.
    I was all in, Warren for President in 2016 until this story.
    What attracted me to her was her sincere honestly and commitment to fight for the little guy.

    But if she start to look like a regular politician who will say anything and claim to be anything to get into a top school or get elected then she looses some of the shine.

    If she can satisfactorily explain this, she will not only win that senate seat but will become the first female president of the united states.

    •  I don't buy it. (0+ / 0-)

      And she isn't a politician who will say anything, you're thinking of Romney.

      Exultation is the going/Of an inland soul to sea... . (Emily Dickinson)

      by Southcoast Luna on Thu May 31, 2012 at 05:40:38 PM PDT

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    •  Then what do you need to hear? (0+ / 0-)

      Because whatever it is, odds are good that the only reason you haven't heard it yet is that it hasn't occurred to anyone that it needs to be said.

      If you know the legal profession or how our major universities operate, you already know that it's inconceivable that Warren owes her distinguished career to anything besides her own work and her own talent.  Even if you believe that there is such a thing as someone who owes his or her position to affirmative action in a bad sense -- that is, that there are people who aren't really all that deserving, who were admitted to schools or given jobs solely so that somebody could check off a diversity box -- Warren would not be that person.  Her work speaks for itself, and furthermore there's no evidence that she ever used this to obtain any kind of preference, or that institutions she was affiliated with ever took it into account in any hiring or promotion process involving her.  

      That being the case, the problem with this as a supposed issue is that the Scott campaign, and the media, are taking a perfectly unexceptionable thing -- that a professor who had as much reason as most people in her circumstances would to believe she was 1/32 Native American checked a box on a diversity form saying so -- and suggesting that this has all sorts of sinister implications.  Which is absurd: it's like suggesting that the way somebody tied her shoelaces proves that she's secretly in league with pedophiles and terrorists.  

      And it's hard to combat that kind of absurdity, because you have to figure out what made the argument convincing to anybody, and what about shoelaces and how they're tied is so suspicious, and what people need to know to understand that while it may be completely true that this person's shoelaces are tied a certain way, that doesn't mean anything about her integrity or her goals.  

      So in all seriousness. an explanation would be enormously helpful, if you can explain it.  What precisely is it that bothers you about this situation?  Why do you think it tells you anything about Warren's fitness for office?  What makes you think that she expected any advantage at all from being able to do that diversity check-off?  What would you need to hear, to believe that the media's hammering on this whole faux-controversy is an insult to your intelligence and integrity as a voter?

  •  When a college drop out (1+ / 0-)
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    draft dodger can call a woman who graduated from law school with honors who practiced as an attorney, who was a duly elected senator before she became the Secretary of State a "secretary who needs to wear spanx" it kind of leads me to the belief that this attack is a dog whistle "no gurlz allowed in the clubhouse" attack.

    It used to be illegal for a native to be east of the Mississipi-many of our ancestors self assimilated rather than be forced on the Trail of Tears or into a concentration camp-excuse me-reservation.  

    Supposedly the last of the Shawnee people were removed from Ohio over a hundred years ago and yet Ohio is full of our people-whether our families took pains to hide it or not.

    So when I hear a teabagger crying about wanting their country back, all I can say is the evil you do comes back on you three fold.  Irony always escapes them-kinda like history not taught in Glen Beck university.

    This country needs Elizabeth Warren, not just Massachuesetts.  Correct me if I am wrong (I know you will!!)  "Cherokee" stands for "educated people,'  She represents well!

  •  someone was on msnbc last nite (0+ / 0-)

    (sorry, i can't remember if it was rev al's show or ed's -- or even if it was msnbc -- it might have been current tv) & she said she was running in the dem primary against warren.

    anybody know who she is (sorry, can't remember her name, either) & if she's for real or another stealth r?

  •  I am confused about this whole thing. (1+ / 0-)
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    Are they afraid that someone of Native Heritage will get into office?

    Because it can't be that they love Indians suddenly. Look how long they had to sue the government to get some of their misappropriated trust funds back.

    And when has our government done anything to protect the copyright and authenticity of genuine Native Arts?

    Holy Crap the GOP is so full of it their ears stink.

  •  Typical Republican strategy (0+ / 0-)

    If you can't get her on her competence or credentials, get her on a bs issue that bears no consequences at all, even if it's not true.

  •  Millions of Americans from the South, SW, and (0+ / 0-)

    West can claim some Native American heritage, while looking as "white" as anybody else. Prof. Warren can. I can.

    However, I consider myself a white person because I look like one and therefore I will be perceived that way whether I like it or not. It's a reality I've chosen to accept.

    This has gotta be the biggest "who cares" political non-issue in the country right now. Unless it's birtherism.

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    by Kimball Cross on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 05:04:48 AM PDT

  •  Believe in Amercia! (0+ / 0-)

    No, I'm not letting go of that.

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    by Kimball Cross on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 05:05:35 AM PDT

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