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Chart of Wisconsin recall campaign spending
Wisconsin recall campaign spending
Recall campaigns are inherently difficult, because some people will oppose them on principle, even if they don't like the incumbent. But lest anyone be distracted by what really happened in Wisconsin, all you have to do is look at the above chart, from the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign. Scott Walker outspent Tom Barrett by ten to one. As Markos noted on Tuesday afternoon, with numbers like those:
It shouldn't even be close
But it was. Despite Walker outspending Barrett by ten to one.

The recall is over, and Scott Walker now can return to his normal routine of trying not to get indicted, as he reportedly is a target in the widespread scandal that has:

led to criminal charges against three of his former aides, an appointee, and a major donor and has just hit 13 people granted immunity and counting
But the bigger problem remains. The American experiment in democracy and republic is being corrupted by money. And unless that problem is addressed, this experiment will end in kleptocratic oligarchy.

Originally posted to Laurence Lewis on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:27 PM PDT.

Also republished by Badger State Progressive, ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement, Progressive Hippie, and Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (174+ / 0-)
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    by Laurence Lewis on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:27:41 PM PDT

  •  Yep. What would have happened if there had (6+ / 0-)

    been NO private money allowed to influence the election and the resources had been exactly equal?

    One in four people in the United States suffers from chronic anxiety, a mood disorder, or depression—which seems to me to be a normal reaction to our march toward collective suicide. Welcome to the asylum. ~ Chris Hedges

    by Saint Jimmy on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:36:38 PM PDT

    •  Everyone talks about the money... (20+ / 0-)

      No doubt money had a huge impact on the election in Wisconsin...

      But there are other things equally important that need to be emphasized...

      1. Republicans learned how to organize a ground game and coordinate effectively.

      It has always been a Democratic strong suit and we heard in Wisconsin repeatedly... "they have the money but we have the ground game... "boots on the ground." This time it wasn't enough was it?

      2. Americans bought into the reichwing meme that unions ruined this countryand made it so we can't compete in manufacturing.

      In Wisconsin some of the unions experienced a drop of 50% in their membership since 2011 and if the stats being reported are right... a surprising number of families with union members in Wisconsin voted for Walker.

      There is a large enough body of evidence that the riechwing meme is bullshit... but far too few Americans seem to know it.

      3. They also haven't made the connection that when the unions do well... so do workers in non-unions shops as their employers try to keep parity with the union shops in wages and benefits.

      Polls show that Americans overwhelmingly support taxing the rich... but support a union? They don't seem to have an understanding of where the benefits they do enjoy came from... or that the unions paid for them in bloody confrontations. History is lost on them.

      4. Middle class Americans don't realize that the only real funding and a substantial amount of the organized ground work for Democratic campaigns has come from the unions.

      Without the union support... Democrats will lose repeatedly which is why they were targeted in Wisconsin and in every other red state where ALEC doled out their agenda to the governors and legislatures.

      5. Organizing Democrats is like herding cats!

      Dems don't do themselves any favors by bashing their own as we so love to do as we have even seen on D-Kos... but it it didn't help with the independents which again if the stats are right... they swung the election.

      Message control has always been a problem on the Democratic side, but the riechwing has always been very good at it... even the word "liberal" has been turned into a dirty word and had to have a make over into "progressives" (which I have always thought progressives are liberals in hiding)

      It is early to come to any solid conclusions yet and I'm sure that we face many days of  postmortem by the pundits but there are only 154 days tio the national and we better get our act together fast.

      •  They aren't "equally important". (10+ / 0-)

        One side had flint arrows, the other had assault rifles.

        All the organization and heart in the world isn't likely to change the outcome.

        Someone tried to warn people a couple weeks ago.  She was damned for a defeatist for her efforts.

        The club is all their law, to keep all men in awe That they no vision saw to maintain such a law

        by JesseCW on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 10:41:24 PM PDT

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        •  on "equally" (4+ / 0-)
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          As I said... "No doubt money had a huge impact on the election"... but money wasn't the only factor.

          It is far too easy to simply say money and not recognize other factors that came into play in this election and not address them.

          If money is the only factor... there is no way to counter it and we will lose every election because the plutocrats, Wall Street and the big corporations will always have more money... period!

          The other factors I'm pointing to are meant to suggest counter strategies that are needed to help counter big monies influence.

      •  And Democrats don't play dirty enough. (20+ / 0-)

        You cannot put on boxing gloves and play by Marquis of Queensbury rules if your opponent is wearing brass knuckles and kicking you in the balls.

        Barack Obama: Gives people who tortured other people to death a pass, prosecutes whistleblowers. Change we can believe in!

        by expatjourno on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 10:42:36 PM PDT

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      •  Yep. Have to keep fighting despite having (2+ / 0-)
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        very few weapons.  Kind of like being in the Alamo in about 1836.

        One in four people in the United States suffers from chronic anxiety, a mood disorder, or depression—which seems to me to be a normal reaction to our march toward collective suicide. Welcome to the asylum. ~ Chris Hedges

        by Saint Jimmy on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:49:09 AM PDT

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      •  Good points (9+ / 0-)

        2. Americans bought into the reichwing meme that unions ruined this countryand made it so we can't compete in manufacturing

        Reading the numbers on Huff Po it appears Union Members themselves don't get it. 36% voted for Walker. Unions are about as popular as smokers and just like smokers have lost every fight.  

        Last night I watched some repug talking of how Americans are upset that Unions are buying elections. The idiotic comment went unchallenged. The reporter seemed fine with a guy lying about money and never mentioned Walker outspent Barrett by a 10-1 margin. It also didn't seem to bother the reporter that nearly 70% of the money came from outside sources.

        Seems one problem with Americans is they think everyone is making too much money but them. This is what the repugs use to divide us. It should be harder for them to do but if over a third of union members voted for a guy who wants to put them out of a job, we are in more trouble than I thought.

        •  Spot on! (1+ / 0-)
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          I heard many similar repugs spouting the same crap and analyst pointing to the same stats...

          We are indeed in trouble and what is obvious to the D-Kos community is NOT obvious to far too many Americans as the election results bear witness too.

          The D-Kos community is always touting the meme that it is a "reality based community"... but we just got a big... "whose reality?" pie in the face.

      •  I am more concerned with privatization (2+ / 0-)
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        that appears to be the reason they are going after the unions, to make way for public works to be privatized.  And there was virtually no push back at what happens if you privatize (like US prison costs running out of control).  

      •  You are right on the money (4+ / 0-)
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        The republican strategy of divide and conquer has worked very well in Wisconsin. I believe that close to 40% of self-identified Union members  for oted Walker. I assume that this seemingly bizarre voting bloc hailed from the ranks of law enforcement who see themselves as standing apart from teachers, social service workers and other public servants.

        Outside of the union bloc, I am amazed at how much traction the meme of "Union thugs are trying to oust Walker so he can't do what needs to be done" had.

        The Koch's could have spent all the money in the world but they had to have a message that voters would rally around and that was lower taxes by ending Union entitlements, cut the budget, and the economy will start producing jobs.

        It does not help that Wisconsin news papers and talk radio repeats all the Fox news/tea party talking points. The conservative meme has been beaten into voters heads continuously since 2008.

        On top of that Barrett's F rating from the NRA hurt him in the first election and Walker ran a barrage of ads warning that Barrett was going to take away hunters' guns in the week before the election.

        Last but not least, Walker's fictional job numbers assumed the status of "facts" through ad blitzes and sycophantic conservative media.

        Barrett lacked the resources (time as well as money) to combat these forces.

        Seriously, it will take a lot of work in the next five months for Wisconsin to have a blue hue in November.


      •  This (2+ / 0-)
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        a surprising number of families with union members in Wisconsin voted for Walker.

        There is a large enough body of evidence that the riechwing meme is bullshit... but far too few Americans seem to know it.

         This is the one thing I just can't seem to get past.  It has depressed me all day long.  The number I heard was 2 out of 5 union households voted for Walker.  I'd like to rack this up as people just being dumb but I think it's worse than that.  I think it's the American people systematically and willfully being lied to by the very people they rely on for the truth, the media.  If they aren't out right lying then they are couching everything in he said/she said mumbo jumbo because they are so damned terrified of being called the L word.  It's just so screwed up that I've lost all faith in the people of this Country.  I'm constantly reminded of the line from Jaws.....
        I think that I am familiar with the fact that you are going to ignore this particular problem until it swims up and BITES YOU ON THE ASS!
        Only in this case they've watched as they're family, friends and neighbors have been bitten in the ass and are linning up for their turn like a bunch of God damn lemmings.  
      •  The unions picked a fight (0+ / 0-)

        that they couldn't win.  70% of WI voters started out not believing that a recall was appropriate absent a criminal indictment .   Where was that information?  Didn't show up until after the election, did it?

    •  Here's what I never stop wondering: (19+ / 0-)

      I get that money buys advertising, but why do people believe political commercials? I mean, I don't get how so many people fall for such bullshit? Heck, I'm not foolish enough to believe shampoo commercials, much less a political ad. (Even for the politicians I like!)

      Where are all these dim, gullible people? How do they not get lost on their way to vote?

    •  There still would have been hugely slanted (6+ / 0-)

      coverage from the Media Trusts.

      It might have gotten worse, as they tried to please advertisers who couldn't donate directly to their candidate of choice, but who could pressure news directors to run stories favoring him if they wanted another ad buy.

      The club is all their law, to keep all men in awe That they no vision saw to maintain such a law

      by JesseCW on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 10:39:30 PM PDT

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    •  The outcome might have been the same. (1+ / 0-)
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      It's sad that the huge disparity in money is such an easy excuse.  But Dems of Wisconsin and elsewhere are missing an important opportunity if they don't look at other factors also to explain their defeat.  

      They need to look in the mirror.

      •  Dems have always been like that (0+ / 0-)

        All too often Dems couldn't hit a t-ball.

        Money is allowed to talk a hell of a lot louder now and money is the big difference now.

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 03:28:29 AM PDT

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        •  Mistake to think that. People didn't like the (1+ / 0-)
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          recall.  They are not sympathetic to public employee unions - they wonder why they should pay high taxes so public employees can have benefits that they lost long ago,e g. defined benefit pensions.  What have public employees done to win the solidarity of non-public working people?  Have we explained why they should do that?

          NO, sorry, it's not about the money.

          •  ANYTIME anybody tells you something (1+ / 0-)
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            isn't about the money, you can rest assured, it's about the fucking money.

            The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

            by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 03:22:56 PM PDT

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            •  You tell me, what's the winning argument (0+ / 0-)

              that will persuade someone who does not have a pension and can't even afford to put money in a 401K why he or she should pay higher taxes so I can have a defined-benefit pension? And I"m a public employee union member.  But go ahead - sell me on it.

  •  When? (6+ / 0-)

    At what point do we stop playing the victim and lamenting the money disparity caused by CU?

    We have rich donors as well. It is time for them to get off their hands, unless they want to see the country handed over to the Rethugs.

    While we are complaining about the money, the Thugs are out consolidating power and winning.

    It's not fair, but it is what it is.

    My question is how long do we wait and continue to see our donors sit on their hands?

    Is it after Willard takes the presidency?

    Is it after the Thugs control the Senate again so they can name some more justices and further cement the SC majority.

    We collectively sound like a bunch of whiners. No one is going to come in and make it fair, so we either play by the rules of the new game or be content to keep watching more of the same.

    it is time to start making an action plan going forward, because we can't change what has happened in the past to get us to this point.

  •  Yep. Yep. And yes siree. (9+ / 0-)

    In a nutshell, you got it, brother.

    Money talks, democracy walks.

    I can just about forgive the Brits for starting our revolutionary war and burning DC to the ground during the war of 1812 for giving us Led Zeppelin.

    by Pager on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:40:35 PM PDT

    •  so in November (3+ / 0-)
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      this means the Democrats will lose because of money?

      If money, and only money, caused Walker to win tonight, then democracy as we know will end in the USA come November.

      I am still shocked he won tonight. There must be more to the story.

      "The only person sure of himself is the man who wishes to leave things as they are, and he dreams of an impossibility" -George M. Wrong.

      by statsone on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:44:11 PM PDT

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      •  Not only are you shocked, Walker's (0+ / 0-)

        campaign seemed shocked as well.

        48forEastAfrica - Donate to Oxfam> "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." Edna St.V. Millay

        by slouching on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 10:26:40 PM PDT

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      •  the end of democracy in America has probably (1+ / 0-)
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        already begun...starting with Citizens United. Since then, Republicans have purchased themselves the House of Representatives (and nearly control of the Senate). And a recall election. Now that they've had a couple of years to "practice" using Citizens United to give themselves a permanent structural financial advantage, my bet is that we haven't seen anything yet in terms of what they have in store for trying to purchase themselves the White House this fall (and Senate control). The goal that their stooges on the Supreme Court set is quite clear: putting into place a permanent structural financial advantage to make it virtually impossible for Democrats to have much power going forward. Their plans seem to be panning out, thanks to five of the most corrupt Supreme Court Injustices in American history (Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts & Kennedy in their Citizens United ruling/abomination/in-kind contribution to the Republican Party).

        It's hard for me to see a way out of this for Democrats. A Constitutional Amendment overturning Citizens United is a long way off at best. In the meantime, it appears that Democrats will be massively outspent. Those Grand Old Prostitutes plan to purchase themselves the White House and Senate, to go along with the House. Then, they will start purchasing themselves control of every state legislatures and governorship they can. Then they will implement Scott Walker-like government wherever possible.

    •  Not Really (1+ / 0-)
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      The numbers quoted exclude significant third party efforts by unions. The numbers were closer to 50 million for Walker and 20 million for Barrett according to the Chicago Sun-Times. In a market like Wisconsin with that amount of money I suspect both sides were just making the rubble bounce.

      It's too easy to just blame it on money. There are some major problems here, and just writing it off as a money issue is comforting but in the end counterproductive.

  •  Scott Walker is *still* John Doe, (20+ / 0-)

    so at some point soon he may wish he'd been recalled :)

    At any rate - Wisconsin continues to inspire us here in Ohio to fight our own lame-duck Murdoch Mannequin: John "Idiot" Kasich.

    And we sure as hell won't stop either. On Wisconsin!

    To Scott Walker, Wisconsin is an "outside interest group".

    by here4tehbeer on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:42:52 PM PDT

  •  The money was a big part of it (23+ / 0-)

    but I don't think the money was the whole problem.

    This party is disintegrating.  The party, as a whole, does not represent our best interests and the chickens are coming home to roost.

    All you have to do is talk to people and you will find the answer to the other big problem in addition to the money problem.  Just talk to people.  In my part of my state, the Dems name is mud right now.  People are fed up.  They've sold us out so many times.

    "Justice is a commodity"

    by joanneleon on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:44:32 PM PDT

    •  Breaking 1975. (2+ / 0-)
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      You're really talking about the Carter era.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:47:08 PM PDT

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      •  Think of it however you like (6+ / 0-)

        I just know what I am seeing with my own eyes and hearing with my own ears.  I don't know if you've been hearing what's going on in NJ but it's bad.   I don't know how similar it is to the Carter era.  That seems like a whole different country to me now.  So much has changed for the worse since then.

        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:53:21 PM PDT

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        •  Let's see. Would it be the Democratic (0+ / 0-)

          governor of New Jersey that has brought people to such a level of disappointment? He's not a Dem, he's really not.

          "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

          by rubyr on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:57:17 PM PDT

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          •  Go away (1+ / 0-)
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            You don't know what the f you are talking about.

            We've got a cabal of Dems who are helping him.  Now go get a clue, okay?

            "Justice is a commodity"

            by joanneleon on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:00:34 PM PDT

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            •  You have a cabal of Dems who are helping (0+ / 0-)

              him? Who are they? Enlighten me. I live right across the river and I have never heard of them. Who are they. Put your knowledge where your venom is. Give me some links to proof of this statement. Let's have it.

              "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

              by rubyr on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:05:49 PM PDT

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              •  I am not going to waste my time (4+ / 0-)
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                on you.  Having dealt with you before, I realize it is a total waste of time and that you are not interested in listening or discussing anything in good faith.

                Here's a clue: Democrats control the state houses.  Here's another clue:  Sweeney.   And he is far from the only one.  Go look up some information about how Christie passes his budgets and how he gets his policies through and who helps him.  Read about the giant divide in the Dem party here.  And look some things up about Christie's BFF, Cory Booker.

                "Justice is a commodity"

                by joanneleon on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:13:02 PM PDT

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                •  Yeah .. you know who the real evil in NJ is? .. (0+ / 0-)

                  I know who it is .. and it's not Chris Christie .. as evil as the prick is .. it's George Norcross III ... he's the "machine boss" of South Jersey ... claims he's a Democrat .. but like the Daleys of Chicago .. hates everything the Democratic Party supposedly stands for

                  •  Agree (2+ / 0-)

                    with the things you say about Norcross but I would not rank him above Christie.  Norcross' gets his work done through Sweeney and he partners with Christie as Christie exploits the long standing rift between north and south Jersey and the fact that resources have always been unfairly distributed.

                    Norcross has done so much damage and it never seems to end.  The list is long.

                    One of his latest projects (as always involves his own personal gain) involves usurping Rutgers Camden, breaking it off from the main university.

                    "Justice is a commodity"

                    by joanneleon on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:17:20 AM PDT

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                    •  Then The People Of New Jersey Need To Vote Out (2+ / 0-)

                      the Chris Christie enablers in the state houses, namely Sweeney and Norcross, and replace these DINO's  with real Democrats. The NJ state Democratic party should target the people who are working with Christie to stab public sector unions in the back, and refuse to fund their
                      re-election campaigns. Of course, this tactic of Christie's does not surprise me - it is the "divide and conquer" that the right wing uses all the time on their opponents. Unfortunately, there are plenty of Vichy collaborator type Democrats who are greedy and selfish, and the right wing uses them to further their agenda. NJ needs to get rid of Sweeney.

    •  It ain't the money. (4+ / 0-)
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      I don't think the money was the whole problem.
      It's what politicians are willing to do for it.  

      The only way to beat the game is to rig it to guarantee that everyone wins something. That's not possible if there is a house.

      by SpamNunn on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:51:34 PM PDT

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      •  The problem with seeing the money (10+ / 0-)

        as the only problem is that the conclusion that will be drawn is that raising more money can fix it.  Which means more selling out.  Which leads to more disillusionment and losses.  Which gets misdiagnosed as money being the problem. Which leads to more sell outs. And so on.

        It's like austerity. A downward spiral.  Keep saying the money is the thing to focus on and it's a downward spiral.  Well for us, anyway.  Maybe a rightward spiral is a better way of putting it.  

        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:56:38 PM PDT

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        •  And I think (0+ / 0-)

          That may be the best thing.  If there are two parties who don't respond to the people, they should merge and get over with the pretense.  

          ‎"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." --Frederick Douglass

          by Nada Lemming on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:53:52 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, but... (12+ / 0-)

      Don't you realize the disintegration problem is a direct consequence of the money problem?

      Why do you think the Democrats are so inept at defending the people's interests? I can get Tea Baggers to support single p[ayer. I've done it repeatedly.

      I can get TBs to rethink their hatred of government. To rethink their ideas of the Commonwealth, social responsibility.

      Why can't Obama, Harry Reid, Nacy Pelosi, and Tom Barret do that?

      Bill Clinton came to WI and started blathering about "cooperation". That was his big message. "Why can't we all work together?" This in response to an all-out declaration of war on unions, teachers, the very idea a commonwealth.

      The reason the Democrats keep failing to defeat Republicans and the right wing ideology behind them is that Democrats have been bought by the same right wing, monied interests that fund the republicans.

      How can a "New Democrat" come out and fight for the people when their primary source of campaign contributions are the ones waging the war?

      So in e very campaign, with rare exception, you have an all out war from the Republicans and a pathetic, half-hearted plea for more cooperation from the Democrats.

      That's the game, and it's been playing out this way for 30 years now.

      The Democratic leadership now is made up of two groups: the weak and pathetic, who would like to work for the people, but aren't willing to incur the wrath of the money power by sticking their necks out.

      The other group is made up of outright right wing infiltrators. These are people who don't and never will give a fuck about the commonwealth, the plight of working people, or anything real Democrats care about. These are the people who eventually made up the DLC and the New Democrat coalition. They are not just "conservadems" There's no ideological driver. They are just corrupt. And they now control the party.

      The progressive movement, the "base", or whatever you call anyone left in the Democratic party who still thinks it should actually resemble the Democratic party, is going to have to come to terms with what we're really up against here.

      Our party has been hijacked. Infiltrated by corporate operatives who know the best way to defeat your enemy is from the inside.

      Why do you think the Koch brothers financed the Democratic Leadership Council? Because they thought we all need to cooperate more?

      Because they're secret Democrats who just wish the party was a little more business friendly?

      Money was a factor in this election. In more ways than one. First it allowed major media buys to blanket WI with lies and propaganda.

      But it also buys a Democratic party that is simply incapable of mounting a counter-attack.

      What the people are starving for is a candidate who will tell the truth, and who unambiguously stands with them against the monied interests in this class war.

      It really is that simple. But they won't find it in any candidate that's approved by Debbie Wasserman Schultz's DNC.

  •  It's Not an American Experiment. (7+ / 0-)

    The entire planet is allowed to campaign here. It's the Earth Experiment, and Earth is putting its foot down.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:45:47 PM PDT

  •  Out-of-state money at that, (17+ / 0-)

    Think Progress reported this morning.

    Total raised, $30.5 million, 66% from out-of-state

    Total raised $3.9 million, 26% from out-of-state

    As Bob Dylan wrote, *Money doesn't talk, it swears."

    "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

    by cotterperson on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:51:02 PM PDT

    •  Wonder when national Dems start fighting for (13+ / 0-)

      states like GOP's Barons and Lords are doing?  

      As a WI citizen, I do feel abandoned by our national Dems.  Months of attack ads and relentless ads putting Walker's name in front of citizens and his 'list of accomplishments'.  Too little and too late, last 10 days mostly, Dems put some effort to put Barrett's name on signs, ads.  It's not just being outspent, it's not getting our candidates enough real exposure that they are seen as worthy candidates.  Walker has had the benefit of many months of rock star media attention.  Barrett has had months of critical media attention from local media and only had a month to try to get a positive perspective out there--largely lost in the battle of negative ads.  When will national Dems realize we must fix and 'retake' the media, local and national, if we hope to win elections.

      When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

      by antirove on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:00:24 PM PDT

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      •  Don't forget Obama's tweet! (4+ / 0-)

        Obama's tweet almost turned this thing around! So, quit whining, take off yr bedroom slippers and put on yr marching shoes!

        "It depends what the meaning of 'is', is"
        Platform of the Neo-Democratic Party
        Speaking out of one side of their mouth for the little guy, their nominal constituency, and the other for the plutocracy, their real constituency.

        by Sanctimonious on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:39:13 PM PDT

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      •  Additionally, 16 months to discredit the Right to (1+ / 0-)
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        Recall through unlimited ads and corporate owned media.

        "I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are?" Barry Goldwater

        by ranton on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 10:36:22 PM PDT

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  •  Is and has (12+ / 0-)

    From where I stand in one of the fortresses of the American Taliban, Arizonastan, the experiment is corrupted and has already ended in a kleptocratic oligarchy.  

    At this point I figure our best hope ultimately is to form a real resistance, whether that is by redoubling Occupy efforts or working to create something else. The political status quo is untenable, unsustainable, and, in my view, unsupportable. I wish The Netroots Nation would countenance that.

    'Cause the fire in the street, Ain't like the fire in the heart/ And in the eyes of all these people, Don't you know that this could start, On any street in any town ~ FZ

    by cosmic debris on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:55:36 PM PDT

  •  Excuses, excuses nt (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Dumb question: If Walker is indicted... (6+ / 0-)

    ...does he automatically get removed from office? Or does he have to be formally charged and/or convicted first?

    For that matter, doesn't that just mean that whatzername, Kleefish or whatever, gets bumped up to Gov?

    •  I suspect it varies by state. (1+ / 0-)
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      Our Arkansas governor was removed because the state constitution required it when he was convicted as a felon. (Unpleasant story about a Dem, sorry to say.)

      "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

      by cotterperson on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:05:50 PM PDT

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  •  We can either keep playing that damn game or (8+ / 0-)

    change it.  Seems a little ridiculous to have a political system where whoever has the most money always wins.  

    "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:04:07 PM PDT

    •  how do you fix a problem (1+ / 0-)
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      when the people benefitting from it being broken can outspend us 10-to-1 every time?

      how do you change the game, when the gamemakers hold the levers of power

      Barack Obama is not a secret Marxist class warrior who wants to redistribute wealth in America. But I'll still vote for him, anyway.

      by looty on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:12:58 AM PDT

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      •  Between a rock and a hard place. It's takes (0+ / 0-)

        people but the gamemakers have that pretty controlled also.  I suppose it has to get worse before it gets better.

        "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:31:28 AM PDT

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  •  if these figures are correct (5+ / 0-)
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    i don't get how barrett left money in the bank account, is that to pay staff or something?  i mean, over 1/3rd of his total haul is left in the bank?  I would have chartered buses and employed electoral press gangs in every part of the state that i could fill a bus up.  i would have shuttles coming from neighborhoods taking people to poling stations every 20 minutes.  if GOTV was where it was at, i would have spent $3,000,000 on GOTV and $900,000 on the after-election citywide block party.

    $1.4 million left after an election you go spent 10-1?  boggles the mind.

    •  that was as of may 31 (1+ / 0-)
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      i'm guessing barrett saved for a late media blitz and for gotv.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 11:15:51 PM PDT

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      •  possible (1+ / 0-)
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        one thing i think is very clear here:  all our efforts wont matter without GOTV, so instead of worrying about CU or some other crap, we should focus on GOTV until voting is a Democratic religion just like it is a Republican religion.  Once we solve the voting problem, then we can solve the other problems.

        Right now, it's like we have a business that once was great but now doesn't have enough customers to stay aflot.  Lets get those customers first and then we can worry about the board of directors.

  •  and the rigged voting machines don't help either. (2+ / 0-)
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  •  It already is a kleptocratic oligarchy (14+ / 0-)

    Here in Wisconsin, everything is for sale to anyone with deep pockets. The very hills around me are being sold to oil companies as frac sand.

    They can't bring Walker to justice fast enough for me.

    Sometimes a .sig is just a .sig

    by rhubarb on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:29:39 PM PDT

  •  Progressives Are Only Going To Turn This Tide When (6+ / 0-)

    we do 2 things: 1. Start hammering our message 24/7 to the public, just like the right wing noise machine does, and 2. Get Democratic billionaires (George Soros, Warren Buffet, et. al) to start contributing gobs of money to our candidates just like the Rethug billionaires do, OR get rid of Citizens United. Citizens United is the main problem - just look at Newt Gingrich. His campaign was kept on life support for about 4 months with the money from just 1 billionaire donor. If Citizens United stands, our elections will continue to be bought by billionaires, income inequality will continue to grow, and this country will be a banana republic in about one decade.

    •  Citizens United is not the "main problem". (3+ / 0-)
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      The right has been runing shit almost unimpeded since 1980.

      The club is all their law, to keep all men in awe That they no vision saw to maintain such a law

      by JesseCW on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 10:49:19 PM PDT

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    •  1. Turn off the Right Wing Noise Machine (0+ / 0-)

      TV doesn't do news anymore.  Just look at the locals and CNN.  It's all hype and sensationalist tabloid news.

      Changing the current inferior TV system to the superior Japanese or European systems (Why reinvent the wheel?) all of a sudden would destabilize the message infrastructure since there won't be any motivation to replace the TV set to get locals.  After all there is Roku, Apple TV, et al.

      AM radio is more suited for speech broadcasting and there is plenty of bandwidth for that service.  That excessive bandwidth is the reason why their propaganda is so widespread.  Retiring that outdated technology and only having FM, which is more suited for music, would also destabilize that infrastructure since those station owners would have to choose between profitable mainstream music or marginally profitable/unprofitable niche talk.

      FM is a great strength for progressives since it is the bastion of Public Radio.  Not just NPR but also Pacifica and other independent LOCAL broadcasters!  NPR would debrief the public about what is really going on with corporate media brainwashing.  Pacifica provides a platform for "Free Speech" if we can crowd conservatives out.  And your progressive group can start their own station with an low-power FM license (and maybe work your way up to full power).

      These strategies will only work if done swiftly so as to have the opposition not have time to push back or organize on the new state of the media.

      Metricating removes gas-guzzlers from the road. Good for the economy and the environment! U.S. Metric Association

      by movingforward on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 10:51:46 PM PDT

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  •  Brief. (1+ / 0-)
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    To the point. True. I like this diary very much.

  •  Will end (5+ / 0-)

    In kleptocratic oligarchy?  Or did end?  

    ‎"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." --Frederick Douglass

    by Nada Lemming on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:43:32 PM PDT

  •  No, that's not why (0+ / 0-)

    The electorate was confronted by 2 men who stood for something and people knew what they stood for and they voted. One lost.  It's that simple. This was about 2 cler choices.

  •  Lessig's constitutional convention? (3+ / 0-)
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    Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

    by Just Bob on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:49:39 PM PDT

  •  And they can keep on doing it. (6+ / 0-)

    They can keep on outspending us by 10 times or whatever it takes to scrape a victory. Who cares if 10-to-1 spending only nets them a close victory? They only have to beat us by 1 vote each time. In the US Senate, they generally only have to get 41 votes to our 59. In the California legislature and localities, they only have to get 34% of the vote, and they can perpetuate the lethally unAmerican anti-democratic status quo, and continue consolidating all the wealth in few enough hands that the biennial or quadrennial outspending of us by 10 to 1 is a small expense, considered in the balance. Because it is those victories that keep the imbalance in place, and keep us on the road to the new feudalism.

    The 1%, and especially the 0.1%, can easily afford to throw gobs of money at this without pain, given how much of the wealth of the nation and world they now control, and given how much of that of that is truly disposable wealth, easily diverted from their stock portfolios as the need arises, while we, the 99% or 99.9%, have to scrimp and consider carefully which cause of justice, fairness, freedom, and genuine American values we will sacrifice our next vacation, or our rent check, to donate to.

    Cry, the beloved country, these things are not yet at an end.

    by rcbowman on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:58:35 PM PDT

  •  here's also why (1+ / 0-)
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    half the money the guy raised is still in the damn bank!

    I'm sure a lot came in late or last-minute but damn. when you're raising as little as this guy raised, you have to spend it.

    Think of me what you will, I've got a little space to fill. - Tom Petty

    by itsbenj on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 10:06:33 PM PDT

  •  Kleptocracy? (1+ / 0-)
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    We're already there.

    As you note, Walker is not exactly out the door yet. Stay tuned.

  •  keep saying it spread it like crazy (2+ / 0-)
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    CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM IS THE METAISSUE AT THE ROOT OF ALL ISSUES If the dnc dscc or dccc send you mailers, send that link back to them and tell them you won't send money to people who defend democrats who betray progressive principals! up yours!

    by daeros on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 10:35:39 PM PDT

  •  Maybe Barrett wasn't the best candidate. (1+ / 0-)
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    Ever think of that?

    Barack Obama: Gives people who tortured other people to death a pass, prosecutes whistleblowers. Change we can believe in!

    by expatjourno on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 10:39:59 PM PDT

    •  They spend money on elections because (0+ / 0-)

      it influences outcomes.

      The club is all their law, to keep all men in awe That they no vision saw to maintain such a law

      by JesseCW on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 10:51:42 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Especially when it's Coke vs Pepsi. (4+ / 0-)
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        blueoasis, maryabein, DarkestHour, grrr

        All the advertising in the world will not convince you that piss is whiskey. But it might convince you that Pepsi is better than Coke.

        But when you refuse to take stands and draw clear distinctions, and then back that up with action, advertising can easily make the difference. The DLC/New Demorat strategy is obsolete in the Citizens United era.

        Yes, Republicans spent more money. They always have. They always will. They have to because lies are more expensive to sell than the truth.

        Barack Obama: Gives people who tortured other people to death a pass, prosecutes whistleblowers. Change we can believe in!

        by expatjourno on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 11:10:34 PM PDT

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    •  outspent 10-1 (1+ / 0-)
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      and still kept it very close.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 11:19:22 PM PDT

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  •  does anyone else wonder how we got over 900K (3+ / 0-)
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    recall signatures and yet Barrett only has 1.1 M votes?  (1.105 M, with 98% in so I assume that's close to final).  I just don't see how that works.  So not even 2 recall signers in 10 could find anyone else to drag to the polls with them?  Really?  Or did a bunch of signers end up deciding that it wasn't worth it to vote after all?

    Strange.  The petition aside, I suppose it's nice that Barrett was able to add 100K to his '10 vote totals, and I guess most of that came from Milwaukee (and Dane), so hats off to them.  Unfortunately Scotty's side also added 170K or so to his '10 numbers.  Even Waukesha couldn't have done that well for them.  I really need to see some county-by-county turnout numbers.

    •  And where would more votes come from? (0+ / 0-)

      In 2006 Gov elections 2.1 mln people voted. About the same in 2010. You would have to get to 2008 turnout (~3 mln) to get a lot more votes than that. Apparently that didn't happen but no one really expected it.

      •  well, a pretty widespread assumption hereabouts (3+ / 0-)
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        was that Walker's 1.1 M total in 2010 represented close to his ceiling, whereas our side had lots of low-hanging fruit in places like Milwaukee.  Which was why ANY higher turnout was thought to be good news, even if we only got to 2.4 M total (as we did).  But it seems the Walkerites found plenty of their own fruit in the collar counties.  With these final vote numbers it's not clear how even a 3 M turnout would have actually looked...  

        •  Yeah, I don't know how the results would have (0+ / 0-)

          looked with higher turnout either. Probably closer loss for Barrett. But it's a strange assumption that all supporters of one party and half of supporters of another turned out in 2010. I'm sure if you look at county results you can see that it's not the case. There was almost definitely higher turnout for R voters but it wasn't that lopsided.

  •  Ed Schultz looked so sad. (1+ / 0-)
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    48forEastAfrica - Donate to Oxfam> "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." Edna St.V. Millay

    by slouching on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 10:52:28 PM PDT

  •  certainly $ play a role in close races, but (3+ / 0-)
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    I think we lost because the party was not behind us, and it should have been more active. This was/is a BFD. It's possible that the triangulation was that supporting this and losing would have been even more devastating, but that's a conversation that should be enjoined more vigorously.

  •  And now, late at night, ... (2+ / 0-)
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    DRo, exterris

    ... we learn that Democrats in Wisconsin have recalled the state senate away from Republicans! That means that the Koch brothers spent millions of dollars to buy a Governor who won't be able to pass legislation.

    Great diary, Lawrence Lewis!  Agree on all points. I'd throw in a little "recall-itis," which is what independent voters get when they're asked to use a unique remedy like a special recall election.

    I would tip you, but the man took away my tips.

    by Tortmaster on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 11:32:56 PM PDT

  •  Milwaukee here (4+ / 0-)

    THANK YOU for this diary! The diary at the top of the rec list jus above this one is saying that CU and the Koch brothers had little to do with Scott Walker's success in the recall! THAT'S INSANE AND WRONG. NO ONE CAN WIN WHEN IT'S 10 TO 1! Furthermore, ANYONE can win when it's 10 to 1.
    It's quite simple really, whomever has the most money almost always wins...and if you have 10 times more money than your opponent, you will most assuredly win.

  •  Need an Amendment: Corps not people (0+ / 0-)

    Suppose people decide to boycott a certain company. The boycott is so successful the company goes out of business.

    We have just deprived a "citizen" of "life" without due process of law. Megasuit!

    Don't let millionaires steal Social Security.
    I said, "Don't let millionaires steal Social Security!"

    by Leo in NJ on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 02:26:58 AM PDT

  •  Well, the man is damaged goods now. (4+ / 0-)
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    ... And the complicity in the state senate is over.

    I just hope Wisconsin residents can keep protesting.

    Thump! Bang. Whack-boing. It's dub!

    by dadadata on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 03:13:16 AM PDT

  •  Walker stood up vs the powerful special interests (0+ / 0-)

    The dinky and weak special interests who own Scott Walker lock stock and barrel only managed to outspend the teachers by a single order of magnitude!

    I cringe for America oligarchs. Who will feel their pain?

  •  It's not just money. (3+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z, lady blair, aaaaaaaah

    Meg Whitman outspent Jerry Brown by a margin of 14-to-1.

    Linda McMahon outspent Richard Blumenthal by a margin of 5-to-1.

    They both lost by wide margins.

    I read this morning that $66 million was spent because of this recall election. How many schools could that money have built? How many bridges could it have repaired?

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:28:13 AM PDT

  •  From what I heard yesterday on NPR, in a normal (3+ / 0-)

    race for governor in Wisconsin, the candidates are only allowed up the maximum of $10,000 per donor. With a recall, the incumbent candidate (Walker) the rule does not apply and the incumbent can accept any amount without cap, but for the challenger, it still does apply.

    “The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius

    by LamontCranston on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:26:16 AM PDT

  •  The majority of Wisconsin is stupid. That's why. (0+ / 0-)

    Ads don't vote.  Dollars don't vote.

    Just because there are Republican ads on TV doesn't mean that people have to vote Republican!

    People voted Republican because they are stupid.

  •  Do you think any votes were outright bought or (0+ / 0-)

    was the money spent on massive media and consulting campaigns? I think the problem is that far, far too many of us vote based on the last/largest media exposure we had to the election. If votes were bought, this is something that can be prosecuted.

    I voted with my feet. Good Bye and Good Luck America!!

    by shann on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:57:16 AM PDT

  •  Hopefully analysis will go the next level deep... (2+ / 0-)
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    aaaaaaaah, grrr

    Money doesn't always work (i.e., Meg Witman v. Jerry Brown).

    What's the set of factors that make the difference?

    Is there a threshold percentage of registered voters or a voter turn out under which money matters and over which it doesn't?

    Recalls should be resisted, they're kind of defeated position in a democracy, so recall thresholds will naturally be higher.  What are they?

    Money has always been a factor.

    Winners adapt.


    And data is always an advantage.

    Eliminate the Bush tax cuts Eliminate Afghan and Iraq wars Do these things first before considering any cuts

    by kck on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:24:48 AM PDT

  •  the WI race only highlighted the effect that $$$$ (0+ / 0-)

    can get you whatever the fuck you want. And if you have it, you win. If you don't have it, you lose. The only way to beat the $$$$ is to make them spend it all...I guess that is the lesson we have to come away with. Make them spend it till it hurts them so bad that it's not worth it.

    I have had time to think about this since last night's incredibly huge debacle. And I am going to stick with my tried and true form of democracy. Voter registration.

    Voter registration is the ONLY way to make them spend until it hurts. The more people who vote, the harder it is for them to win. GOTV is a great and noble thing to do but if you don't have the people out there registered AND voting, then they will win everytime. We should focus more on grassroots voter registration. When everyone in this country BELIEVES it is their OBLIGATION to vote, we all win. And it is an obligation not only to oneself but to the country. If you don't vote, the shame you should feel has to be palpable.

    Earth: Mostly harmless ~ The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (revised entry)

    by yawnimawke on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:35:30 AM PDT

  •  It's MUCH Greater Than 10:1. (2+ / 0-)
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    That's just for the campaign itself. Doesn't include independent Citizens United spending.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:09:11 PM PDT

  •  the really frightening thing to ponder (2+ / 0-)
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    is whether it's really worth our efforts any longer? Don't get me wrong...this particular citizen will go on fighting the progressive good fight until my very last breath. However, it seems to me that Republicans and their Supreme Court partisan hacks (Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts & Kennedy, in their Citizens United ruling/insanity/in-kind contribution to the Republican Party), want desperately to permanently break the backs of the Democratic Party and, especially, the progressives that make up their base. The frightening thing to me is that they might actually have accomplished that.

    Since Citizens United, they've won every major election, outspending Democrats by massive amounts of money. They simply waltzed on in and purchased themselves control of the House of Representatives in 2010. They did so in state after state . They nearly did so in the Senate that same year. This year, their plan is to simply purchase themselves the White House and the rest of the Senate.
    Once they have purchased themselves all major elective offices, it will be extremely difficult for Democrats to ever get them back with the massive structural spending advantage they now have, thanks to five of the most corrupt Supreme Court Injustices in American history.

    The real question is this: Is democracy effectively dead in America? The results of elections since Citizens United demonstrate overwhelming evidence that the answer to that question could be, yes.

    •  If the World Ends Tomorrow, Planning is Simple. (1+ / 0-)
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      Best to plan on it not ending tomorrow, that's more complicated, and hey it gives us something to do.

      I think with US politics my assessment is a lot darker than yours, but looking at options, presuming we have a hair of a chance is the only play we've got available.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:28:37 PM PDT

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  •  I would seriously like to know where 900,000 (1+ / 0-)
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    petition signers are??? Shouldn't that be a huge question we should be asking ourselves?

  •  30 Mil is a small price to pay for a (3+ / 0-)
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    governor or senator.

    I don't buy this "it was close" bullshit. Wisconsin folks have been successfully trained to hate each other. They were divided and conquered. Folks are afraid and they have turned on each other.

    They are buying into this "I might get rich if wages are lower for everyone else" bullshit that drives Texas. They are digging their own graves. Creating a bleak future for future wage earners.

    Everyday we should see the chart that shows corporate profits going up while wages remain the same for the past 30+ years.

    Republicans are dogs, and Wisconsin just got fleas.

    No Jesus, Know Peace

    by plok on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:13:31 PM PDT

  •  Deeper Analysis (1+ / 0-)
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    TV commercials aren't the whole story of what money buys.

    If you look at the cute emails that conservative Christians send to annoy their relatives with, there are really too many and they are too creative for amatuers to have cranked them all out.  

    With a lot of money you can buy up whole graduating classes from Journalism, English and related majors and set them to work innovating new ways to send messages through whole cultural demographics.  

    Look at the way evangelicals can say they think for thenselves and then argue with talking points.  They don't know where they come from.  My sense is that there are relationships that are about money and are kept covert so that the source is not revealed.  

    I think a million ways to spend years inculcating certain segments of the population with messages cannot be undone in a campaign season.  

    Time to really think about this.  Strategy for Democrats in general has not advanced much since the 1980s.  The assumption that Republicans are retards who are also stuck in the past has to be re-thought.

    The solutions to the very real problems facing the world in the 21st century are progressive.  Yet the focus often goes off track, especially in reaction.  

    The general problem is how to be pro-active instead of reactive.  How does one deal with the need for long term public education that sets the debate arena up?

    THose are the kinds of questions that need answers.  GOTV is a great and awesome tool kit.  But it can't be the only skill set that people understand how to us.

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:16:06 PM PDT

    •  Democratic Party Became Conservative After LBJ nt (0+ / 0-)

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:32:58 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  No it didn't (0+ / 0-)

        The big tent has always meant a rawboned mixture of people who don't see eye to eye.  

        I heard a story that illustrates this.  A group of women from Houston were going to the Democratic state convention to the west someplace, probably San Antonio.  

        They were delegates who were going to vote for Adai Stevenson.  They were arrested by a Sheriff on the way, for their bumperstickers.  Seems he was a Democrat for Eisenhower.  He kept them just long enough for them to miss the vote and then he apologized for the "misunderstanding."

        It wasn't just Texas that was like that.  There was a lot of bareknuckle to politics, especially before constant TV coverage and "gotcha" journalism.  

        Perhaps the progressive element gave in to a little PTSD after the assassinations.

        But I blame the advent of the mini mainframe.

        In Austin, where I was for a long time active in politics, the advent of the mini mainframe computer changed things in the '70s going into the '80s in a way that a lot of people who have not tried to work in political consulting generally don't appreciate.  

        In the mid '70s what you had was a generation of college students (myself among them) who experienced the ferment of an era with progressive possibilities.  It awoke a lot of people, especially when you add Vietnam, Civil Rights, and the sexual revolution together.  Newly graduated data processing majors realized they could make a difference by getting a loan to buy a mini mainframe, which was never available before.  They could take the old system of precinct chair shoeboxes with all the data from voter files, crunch the date with phone books and create lists for calling, mailing, or walking door to door.  

        This could be combined with polling and TV commercial production which could finely target demographic groups with tested messages.  

        This won elections and the old grass roots precinct people with the shoeboxes became obsolete.  

        These packages put together by people who could operate them, became more and more expensive, necessitating more and more funding from sources that had larger checkbooks.  

        Now, the grassroots system has become like an old pickup truck rusting out in a field.  

        The internet, with sites like this as a promising feature, has a potential to re-ignite a grassroots potential.  But the dollar intensive systems approach is the dominant mechanism.

        Part of the reason that media ownership is light on the reporting side is that it enhances the need for advertising, so it is a win-win if you consider that reducing costs in the newsroom happens to coincide with increasing ad revenue.  

        It is a pernicious system.  I don't think regulating the money will ultimately be the answer, though it needs to be pressed.  What we need is to make better use of the resources we have for communicating.  that isn't a technology really, but a deliberate use of the brain.  Obviously a challenge, given that we have not ever done this before.    

        hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

        by Stuart Heady on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 10:01:36 AM PDT

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  •  Big Dawg ok w/Bush tax cuts, (1+ / 0-)
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    or was he just trying to get in Bartiromo's pants?

    I don't get Ds anymore.

    I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization -- SCOTUS Justice O.W. Holmes Jr.

    by Irons33 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:19:24 PM PDT

  •  Walker had money AND time (3+ / 0-)
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    From the moment the recall got off the ground, he was campaigning with all the money he needed.

    He didn't have an opponent to dispute his lies and misinformation until the Dem primary.

    And with all that, he still didn't win big.

    When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

    by msmacgyver on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:20:07 PM PDT

    •  Yes, and we should not forget that Walker was busy (2+ / 0-)
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      campaigning against his Democratic female opponent (sorry, can't remember her name) and it was not until May 8 that Barrett won the Democratic primary for the recall election.  So his actual run against Walker was only a month long, and Walker had been lying his way across the state for a much longer period of time with all that money in his pockets.   I'm convinced with more time, more debates, Barrett would have had a win.

      I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

      by KayCeSF on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:31:30 PM PDT

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  •  it's been two years since Citizens United (1+ / 0-)
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    ...everyone should have seen what's transpired since coming.

    When will the progressives of this country form a permanent for-profit corporation whose exclusive purpose is to make money to use for political purposes? Only when we have such a source of money will we ever be able to compete.

    •  There Does Not Exists 1 Billionaire Fighting to (3+ / 0-)
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      make America more liberal.

      --Donating and supporting to some extent, a number of them. Fighting? Absolutely zero.

      It's not the term "corporation" that makes you powerful, it's the billions of dollars.

      Which in our case, we have not got.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:35:36 PM PDT

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      •  that's my point... (0+ / 0-)

        one possible way to at least attempt to help even the playing field would be to set up a corporation whose exclusive purpose is to make money to use for political purposes. We could sell theoretical widgets or icons, or anything that costs virtually nothing and "sell" them to folks who simply want to give. It would at least be a conduit for progressive money. Over the years, we might actually incorporate more profit-making activities.

  •  $1.6 M in the bank? (1+ / 0-)
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    Walker's fuckin' golden!  (And he'll need that gold to pay for the whitest of white-shoe law firms for the indictment defense....)

    9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

    by varro on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:30:57 PM PDT

  •  That's an insane level of disparity in campaign (1+ / 0-)
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    spending for the highest office in a state.

    That it was so close, despite the disparity and the fact that quite a few Wisconsinites just don't seem to believe in the recall process, could (hopefully) mean that Citizen's United may not have quite the dreaded impact that we fear it will.  At least not in a Presidential election year, that is.

    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

    by Lawrence on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:30:58 PM PDT

  •  Do you think (1+ / 0-)
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    any of the five supremes is having the tiniest bit of trouble sleeping?

    My social security, medicare and military retirement are EARNED benefits. The checks Paris Hilton and the Waltons receive while sitting around the pool are entitlements. Don't let the Republicans confuse you.

    by regis on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:38:43 PM PDT

  •  Honest question about campaign financing. (1+ / 0-)
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    Doesn't throwing money at an election only go so far?  And what exactly are they buying besides advertisements and other forms of promotion?

    •  You Can Fool Enuff of the People Enough of th Time (0+ / 0-)

      --is what Lincoln and our framers missed.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:37:07 PM PDT

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  •  If this was addressed upthread, I missed it: (0+ / 0-)

    Why did the Barrett campaign still have a million and a half bucks sitting in the bank unspent?

    Presumably, the nearly 3 mil that was spent includes not-as-yet-paid obligations.

    So what's with the unspent?

    Why are critically important stories that merit serious discussion posted on Open Thread for Night Owls, where, at most, 10% of the comments actually address the post? This is an embarrassing waste of the talents of Meteor Blades and Hunter.

    by WisePiper on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:55:26 PM PDT

  •  It's More Than Just Money. (3+ / 0-)
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    jan4insight, grrr, Rich in PA

    While the whole day seems to have involved a lot of wound licking, there does appear to be an annoyance about why the thing happened in the first place.

    He didn't actually do something illegal.

    He did something a lot of people don't like.

    In a section of the country where the latter isn't enough of a reason. I suspect the blue coasters don't quite grasp that.

    What the dems need to really do is make a strong case why they - as an entire group - are better managers of government, and are offering a better plan to improve people's lives.

    All this searching for justification is why so many think there are too many wimps in this party.

    Stick to a message of strength.

    Sell it till it hurts.

    Next, honey.

    cheerleaders need not apply.

    by kravitz on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:56:24 PM PDT

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      ran on.

      That's precisely what a recall is for, a political solution to political malfeasance. It has nothing to do with law enforcement.

      I think in the end the recall failure will boil down to a failure to emphasize that point and very likely to emphasize that that is a legitimate purpose of recall.

      Democrats. Can. Not. Talk.
      Democrats. Will. Not. Educate.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:39:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It's what you think a recall is for! (0+ / 0-)

        But the polls suggest that a majority of people in WI believe otherwise. I think we're zeroing in on the problem, which turns out to be more or less as Kravitz paints it!

        Dear conservatives: If instead of "marriage equality" we call it "voluntary government registration of committed homosexuals," are you on board?

        by Rich in PA on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:46:54 AM PDT

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  •  Three months ago ... (4+ / 0-)
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    I was convincing a fellow loyal Democrat (he is a compulsive handwringer) that Obama, though he'd no doubt be seriously challenged by Romney and the GOP, could not lose the election in November (assuming there was no major scandal in the offing). Given the state of the electoral vote at that time based on statewide polls, Obama was in the 300s.

    Given what just happened in WI -- given the enormous bottomless pit of money pouring into the GOP by the Koch brothers and others with money to burn -- and given the divisiveness we've witnessed nationally, statewide and locally -- I have to say I'm not so sure.

    Money is the root of all evil. I learned that phrase when I was about 7 years old, and it's no more true than it is now. More than anything else, money now has come to define almost our entire culture. Ideas, talent, hopes, and dreams are almost all dependent on money.

    And thanks to the Supreme Court and Citizen's United, it's going to get a lot worse before it has a prayer of a chance of getting better. This is such a sad state of affairs we're facing with no letup in sight.

    No, I'm not going to give up. Yes, I'm going to continue to work hard for the ideals (and the people who most represent them) that I believe in. But I can't remember when I was more discouraged (actually, yes I can, though it's a tie between Bush-Gore and Bush-Kerry). Wow, serious times ... (wringing my hands)

    Now THAT's the president I voted for!

    by RevJoe on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:02:24 PM PDT

  •  I think it's got (1+ / 0-)
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    Rich in PA

    Not so much to do with being outspent as it does with the 70% of WI voters who didn't believe that recall was appropriate absent an indictment   for a crime.  Policy differences don't rise to that level, however much we disagree with the policy..  I find it appalling that at no point did we come across that data point from the left.  2/3 of union members threw themselves into a battle that the unions knew they couldn't win, and thus the unions wasted the efforts and good will of a lot of good people.  I feel screwed because I didn't get the information I needed.

    •  This is the only thing worth saying. (1+ / 0-)
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      WI Democrats mistook their own sense of grievance for something out there in the general electorate.  This was a war of choice and it wasn't the best choice, given what you've pointed out: a majority of voters don't like Walker but a somewhat larger and sufficiently overlapping majority didn't believe a recall was appropriate.  It's not like this information was unknowable months ago.

      Dear conservatives: If instead of "marriage equality" we call it "voluntary government registration of committed homosexuals," are you on board?

      by Rich in PA on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:45:24 AM PDT

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  •  Two things (4+ / 0-)
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    grrr, mike101, Rich in PA, mithra

    1) The correlation between spending and votes is not tight.
    2) I've heard at least one poll that claimed that the vast majority of voters had decided who to vote for 9 months ago.

    Whatever the money did is, IMO, unclear. My reaction is that the "outspent" explanation is too simplistic and that we need to look elsewhere for more basic explanations. In my view, the Tea Party and its sympathizers are the ones who won yesterday, but they first won on issues when Walker was initially elected. The problem among progressives is the dismal failure to take these people and their issues seriously.

    I said that on these boards back a couple of years ago, when all I could hear was sneering about astroturf and racism. What I said at the time was, "It's precisely that supercilious attitude that fuels the Tea Party and that enabled the Republicans to retake the House. Have you genuinely not even bothered to try to figure out why half or more of the rest of the country is so worked up? That some facile mumblings about the shitty economy and racism passes for analysis? Do you imagine that it's simply enough for you to be right, and fuck 'em if the others don't get it? If it is, God bless, and let me know how things work out for you in 2012."

    That was from 2010. I don't usually think of myself as having that great a handle on what might be ahead, but this time I think I did OK. And I still see very little evidence that many progressives are willing to unbend themselves enough to make a genuine attempt to grapple with an ideology that, frankly, scares them. But, hey, if you like polarized politics and would rather go down in a blaze of righteousness  while screaming, "Get thee behind me, Satan!," then we're right on course.

    •  OK, I'll bite. What's YOUR take? (0+ / 0-)
      Have you genuinely not even bothered to try to figure out why half or more of the rest of the country is so worked up?
      I think they're worked up because their lives suck or are at least under significant economic and social pressure and because Faux News, Rush, Sean, and their bosses tell them 24/7/365 to blame The Liberals who are trying, however imperfectly and ineffectually, to improve their/our situation.  

      I agree that the economy is veeeeery weak, which I attrbute to an original stimulus that was about 1/3 the size it should have been and focused at the top instead of the bottom of the income scale and little attempt (and probably less ability) to correct it since.

      My sense is that most of the Teabaggers are bought and paid for by their economic masters and have little to no realization that they are doing the bidding of their oppressors (who own most of the money and mass media but also need numbers (i.e. 50%+1).  And I don't have a clue how to correct that, other than to point it out at every opportunity.  I also have little sense that the Teabaggers are receptive to such a message.

      So what's YOUR brilliant plan?

      "Push the button, Max!" Jack Lemmon as Professor Fate, The Great Race

      by bartcopfan on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 08:59:08 AM PDT

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      •  You illustrate my point (0+ / 0-)

        "My sense is that most of the Teabaggers are bought and paid for by their economic masters and have little to no realization that they are doing the bidding of their oppressors..."

        You cannot open a conversation with someone by telling them that their opinions are not their own, that, unknown to themselves, their brains have been suborned and they are slaves to propagandists. Allow me to point out that if the same thing were true of you (for sake of argument), you would probably react with indignation when I offer my opinion that you are a dumb pawn of interests you don't understand, probably because you spend all your time reading DK boards.

        This conversation isn't going to go well. For an imperfect comparison, let me ask you to imagine a conversation with your 15-year-old, in which you clearly explain that their brains are still undeveloped and also in the grip of hormones and so can't really understand that dad really does know better. Will he or she a) acknowledge your brilliance; b) slam the bedroom door and sulk for the next year or two; c) join the million or so who run away from home annually? I'm gonna go with b or c.

        The one thing I absolutely never do is try to put their back up. Any sentence that begins, "How can you possibly believe that ..." is going to be a non-starter. So, my brilliant plan is to read as much as I can about what those I disagree with think is wrong, to try to understand their points of view both intellectually and emotionally, and to then try to imaginatively understand how they see my own positions (again, both intellectually and emotionally).

        •  Thanks for the civil response. (0+ / 0-)

          I imaginatively understand they see my position as pure, unadulterated evil.  So how do I go about changing that perception?  

          I agree that I can't reason them out of a position they 'emotioned' themselves into.  I've spent 30+ years banging my head against that lesson.

          Would you propose asking leading questions?  (I actually had a decent experience out of town on business at a Houston bar one night, asking a 'taxed enough already' acolyte what he thought the highest marginal tax rate was in the glorious 1950s.  He guessed 15-20% and was shocked when I informed him it was over 90%--and instructed him NOT to take my word for it, but to investigate it on his own.)

          Personally, I like the graphs that show average family income since 1980 by quintile, w/ the lowest 1/5 flat to slightly down and the top 1/5 taking off like a rocket.  That's where the average wage-earner's raises are going, but how to make them realize--or care about--it?

          "Push the button, Max!" Jack Lemmon as Professor Fate, The Great Race

          by bartcopfan on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:18:21 PM PDT

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          •  Better late? (0+ / 0-)

            Sorry—couldn't get back here yesterday. And don't have much time today.

            I think you overestimate their view of your position as pure evil, as opposed to a combination of misguided and wishful thinking. In a nutshell (and I won't be surprised if you disagree with my opinion) I think that progressives and Tea Partiers agree on a surprisingly broad range of principles, but disagree on how to put them into practice.

            Just to cite a couple of issues, we both agree that taxes should be progressive; we disagree on where to draw the lines. Progressives (not Marxists) believe in private property, as do the TP folk; we disagree on the extent to which that right can be encroached on by the commonality.

            So, if the discussion is about tax rates, and we both agree that some tax must be levied and that it must be proportional to income, then the discussion now is over what needs to be funded and what tradeoffs each of us might be willing to tolerate in order to have a functioning polity.

            IMO, it is necessary to have these conversations in pretty much this fashion, because the first requisite of political discussion has to be evidence from each party of the so-called good will that recognizes that we're not trying to convert each other, just to work out a modus vivendi. If I do nothing but attack, then we're enemies fighting over territory. If I look for ways to come together, then we're partners based in a common enterprise, but who understand that a compromise needs to be worked out.

            I'd like to write more, but I gotta go. Good luck to us all.

  •  Prediction: Someone will run a poll 1 yr from now (2+ / 0-)
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    asking whom they would support if the recall were held today, Barrett or Walker.  The majority, suffering from buyer's remorse, will choose Barrett.

    They always do.  When given the chance to kill cancer before it spreads, too often people choose to look the other way.  Only later do they realize the implications of their decision.

    Should Elizabeth Warren lose to Scott Brown, I predict the same result.

  •  When are the "smart" guys going to ask... (2+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541, coffejoe

    where is the money going.  I don't mean vague generalities but line by line.  Who gets what?  Then correlate that to opinions, editorials and coverage.  I'd be interested to see how much of the media is bought and paid for.  But who's going to do it?  The corrupt ones aren't interested, Democrats are too broke and the media...well the media is the whore of Babylon.

    You have the right to remain silent. If you waive that right you will be accused of class warfare.

    by spritegeezer on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:20:55 PM PDT

  •  Here's why: (1+ / 0-)
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    Walker got more votes. You can't reasonably claim Wisconsin voters didn't know the issues or what was at stake.

    "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

    by DJ Rix on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:27:20 PM PDT

  •  From the look of (2+ / 0-)
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    the table above, Barrett spent $2.9M and ended up with $1.4M left over. He could have spent 50% more money on his campaign. That is a considerable difference.

    Am I missing something?

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:40:25 PM PDT

  •  Unrealistic, but... (0+ / 0-)

    If we could get the Republicans to spend 100-1 on some races :)

    I want to know in which races the potential exists to most efficiently tie up Republican money.

  •  They spent $30 million (0+ / 0-)

    and basically got the exact same results.  Based on the exit polling, I find it hard to believe that money was responsible for the win.

    'Slower Traffic - Keep Right!'

    by luvbrothel on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 09:09:39 PM PDT

  •  1.4 million (3+ / 0-)
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    Left in Barrett's war chest? If so he better give every dime of that to the November effort in WI.

  •  As much as people say they would only remove a Gov (1+ / 0-)
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    For misbehavior, millions of dollars in ads can change that. Here in CA Gray Davis was taken out for making poor decisions and having wealthy enemies.

    Henceforth I ask not good fortune. I myself am good fortune. Walt Whitman

    by Sacramento Dem on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 09:55:52 PM PDT

  •  It was two time loser Barrett going for three. (0+ / 0-)

    Rejected by Democrats in primary.

    Rejected by Wisconsin voters in general.

    Good grief.  It was foregone conclusion that Walker would win when it became "Barrett's Last Hurrah" instead of a referendum on Walker's policies.  The unions who were being attacked by Walker OPPOSED BARRETT in the primary...Come on!!

    And beyond that, many voters expressed the view in the exit polls that they objected to use of recall in the Walker context.

    Fortunately, the same voters who said no to the recall and Barrett's last hurrah said they will vote for Obama over Romney by over 10%.

    A number that also reinforces that Barrett's running doomed the recall from the start vs. voters being all GOP'ers.  All that money brought out people who will, more often than not, be voting for Obama.

  •  I can't agree. (2+ / 0-)
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    Obama beat McCain by 7.2 and people were calling it a big win. Walker beat Barrett by 6.8 and suddenly it's close?

  •  Citizens United/Politics and Money (0+ / 0-)

    The Walker debacle in Wisconsin is just an example to how Citizens United will affect our future elections.  I urge President Obama to issue an Executive Order to raise the taxes of Corporations and the wealthy to the point that they can no longer afford to spend money in politics or lobbying.  Of course I am not naive enough to think that this will ever happen, but it's something the Democrats should be considering.

  •  Walker didn't raise a lot, Barrett raised a little (0+ / 0-)

    I'm much more surprised by the $4M than the $30M.  

    Dear conservatives: If instead of "marriage equality" we call it "voluntary government registration of committed homosexuals," are you on board?

    by Rich in PA on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:41:29 AM PDT

  •  uh yeah... (0+ / 0-)

    same results as before the money comes in...

    if anyone thinks this was mostly about money, is fooling themselves....

    "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

    by justmy2 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 04:40:38 AM PDT

  •  I keep thinking about a Ben Franklin quote. (0+ / 0-)
    The American experiment in democracy and republic is being corrupted by money. And unless that problem is addressed, this experiment will end in kleptocratic oligarchy.
    Supposedly, when asked what kind of government the Constitutional Convention had decided on, Franklin responded:

    "A Republic, if you can keep it."

    "Push the button, Max!" Jack Lemmon as Professor Fate, The Great Race

    by bartcopfan on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 08:41:02 AM PDT

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