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This is not going to be a popular thing to say.

But the reasons the Democratic/professional political establishment did not support or want the recall were valid.  

The professionals (the ones that make their living running campaigns and getting people elected) knew:
1) A certain percentage of people would be against the recall barring a significant scandal on Walker's part (yes, we know he's eventually going down, but think Nixon '72).

2) Ticket-splitters, those who are supporting both Obama and Walker.  Strange as that seems to us, those people exist, and the President was not going to come into a lean-Dem state and tell these supporters they're full of crap.

3) Recalls rarely if ever are successful.

4) Ditto rematches.  Had Feingold run, it may have been different, but barring scandal rematches rarely produce different results.

More in extended.

That said, it's clear also that:
1) It's unlikely the Senate gets taken back without the larger gubernatorial recall driving turnout for those Senate recall districts.

2) We now have, per Kos, the best poll ever taken of a state a few months prior to a Presidential election - Wisconsin seems in the bag for Obama.

3) Every voter in Wisconsin is going to remember how they voted when they were eventually screwed over by Walker and the Republicans.  This will pay dividends in 2014.

4) I have not seen anything on the Senate race, but the increased interest/turnout can only help us retain that seat.

On balance, my take is that even though the pros told us not to do it, the recall showed Koch, Inc there will be a response and it will cost them $$$$.

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Recall worth it?

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  •  Tip Jar (12+ / 0-)

    The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. --George Orwell

    by jgkojak on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 10:30:27 AM PDT

  •  Democrats went on the offensive, which (5+ / 0-)

    is almost always a good thing.  Totally agree with your analysis here.

    "Back off, back off, he's got his own dreams that won't come true!"

    by satanicpanic on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 10:38:01 AM PDT

  •  To me the most exasperating thing about the recall (8+ / 0-)

    ...is that exit polls showed that a lot of voters (and not just Republicans) believed recalls should be reserved for something more egregious than unpopular policies.  There's no reason the WI Democratic Party couldn't have done polling of that sort before committing to a recall effort, as a matter of due diligence; by not doing that, and by making the recall a straight referendum on Walker, they showed a lack of situational awareness because it wasn't a referendum, it was a recall and it turned out that percentage of people who believed the recall threshold should legitimately be higher than a typical election standard was enough to defeat Barrett and ratify Walker.  This is almost at the level of Mark Penn's mistake in not understanding that primary wins in red states with relatively few Democrats counted just the same as wins in blue states.

    Dear conservatives: If instead of "marriage equality" we call it "voluntary government registration of committed homosexuals," are you on board?

    by Rich in PA on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 10:39:10 AM PDT

    •  Agreed. (2+ / 0-)
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      Rich in PA, harvarddem

      Not a local, but it seems more attention to the (apparently forgotten) crimes was needed.

      all morals are relative, but some are more relative than others.

      by happymisanthropy on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 11:42:19 AM PDT

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      •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)

        If you're going to push recall to a population some of which believes it should be reserved for high crimes and misdemeanors, a sort of citizen's impeachment, you have to lead with the high crimes and misdemeanors.   As I recall, there wasn't an article of impeachment against Nixon that said his wage and price controls were stupid.

        Dear conservatives: If instead of "marriage equality" we call it "voluntary government registration of committed homosexuals," are you on board?

        by Rich in PA on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 12:22:35 PM PDT

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  •  you are right- an unpopular view (6+ / 0-)

    but probably right.

    That is why the DNC did not funnel huge amounts of cash into the recall.  they can distance themselves from the result and say that it is not a bellweather.

    As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

    by BPARTR on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 10:39:27 AM PDT

  •  You don't win if you don't play... (6+ / 0-)

    Of course you don't always win if you DO play, but you have to push if you want to get anywhere. For that reason alone it was worth it.

    FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

    by mole333 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 10:39:53 AM PDT

  •  Only Three Governors Faced Recall (7+ / 0-)

    and Walker was the first incumbent to win a recall election. Thus, we can also say that recalls are rarely unsucessful, too.

    The problem is that Democratic voters tend to think that recalls are unfair unless unusual circumstances prevail. Thus, recalls are probably going to be difficult against Republican politicians. On the other hand, Republicans have no problems with being unfair. That's one big difference between the California and Wisconsin recall elections.

    •  To say nothing of the fact that Gray Davis was (0+ / 0-)

      replaced with another California movie star.

      That's one big difference between the California and Wisconsin recall elections.

      "I cannot live without books" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1815

      by Susan Grigsby on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 11:06:22 AM PDT

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      •  Movie star mattered little. (0+ / 0-)

        The fact that Ahnold got ~99% of media attention mattered a lot.

        all morals are relative, but some are more relative than others.

        by happymisanthropy on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 11:43:59 AM PDT

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        •  Don't think he would have gotten that attention (0+ / 0-)

          if he hadn't been a celebrity.  It's not the first time a movie star has filled the Governor's house.

          What is really disturbing is that our movie stars are generally so much more intelligent than theirs.  (Which is probably why they don't run for office.)

          "I cannot live without books" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1815

          by Susan Grigsby on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 11:52:39 AM PDT

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  •  Other bonuses (11+ / 0-)

    ALEC had to scuttle out from under a rock.  Now we see them.  Now everyone sees them.  And even Wal-Mart is running away from ALEC.

    Walker is in the news, big.  He'll be even bigger in the news when he gets indicted.  All of the insufferable smug right-wing assholes will suddenly have to explain why he's doing a perp walk.

    Now we know what Citizens' United will do to the election scene, and more importantly we can point to the 10:1 money advantage and highlight that our elections are being purchased.

    Yuck we lost, but it's just one battle, and we WON a lot during the battle.

  •  Sorry, this was a self-fulfilling prophecy. (1+ / 0-)
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    happymisanthropy

    You think you aren't going to win...

    So you don't bother even trying.

    Lo and behold, you don't win.

    TOLD YOU SO!

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 10:46:02 AM PDT

  •  howso? (0+ / 0-)
    2) We now have, per Kos, the best poll ever taken of a state a few months prior to a Presidential election - Wisconsin seems in the bag for Obama.
    Given that the Republican won?
  •  Wait a minute... (1+ / 0-)
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    Deep Texan

    Are you saying that the people of Wisconsin were being pragmatic?  Inconceivable!

    The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing online commenters that they have anything to say.-- B.F.

    by lcj98 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 10:51:07 AM PDT

  •  Dems Retook the WI Senate, Hobbling Repubs. (1+ / 0-)
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    JVolvo

    For that reason alone there should have been more national party support.

    The party is just adamant against doing anything motivational or future-minded that might give incentive to the people. This is why we need to leave them to their own devices starting Nov. 7th and work on creating better Dems.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 10:56:45 AM PDT

  •  Pls clarify ambiguity: (0+ / 0-)
    "1) It's unlikely the Senate gets taken back without the larger gubernatorial recall driving turnout for those Senate recall districts."
    Taken back from whom to whom? The Senate doesn't flip to the Democrats until November, right?

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 10:59:06 AM PDT

  •  A GOTV list for Nov with 931K names on it (1+ / 0-)
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    JVolvo
  •  Here's my issue (7+ / 0-)

    How would we feel if just because of agenda a duly elected Democrat was put up for recall. Not for criminal wrong doing or even abuse of power just the other side was not happy with his/her policies. This would be like the right impeaching Obama for getting ACA passed.

    Republican Family Values: Using the daughters from your first wife to convince everybody that your second wife is lying about your third wife.

    by jsfox on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 11:01:40 AM PDT

    •  It has already happened. Repubs tried to recall (1+ / 0-)
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      AnnieJo

      previous Gov Doyle (Dem) twice: 2005 and 2009.  Filed paperwork and everything.  Just failed miserably at getting enough sigs.  

      So, there's that.

      To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt 1918

      by JVolvo on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 03:19:32 PM PDT

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  •  Wow. Feel like I Lost AND got Slapped. (0+ / 0-)

    Notice: This Comment © 2012 ROGNM

    by ROGNM on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 11:51:42 AM PDT

  •  For all the money spent they didn't really have (0+ / 0-)

    that large of an effect. I think many voted for Walker simply because they do not like recalls. Look at what happened on federal level after Nixon & Agnew  resigned because of an impeachment investigation. Republicans have been looking to do the same since. Have they missed one chance... I know they have been looking to find anything to unseat Obama.

    An election is an election even if you don't like the results so without a crime (which is coming soon for Walker) recalls are a stimulus for future politics if used too often. Buyer's remorse in this case is a lesson to those who regret thier lack of participation in the 2010 election aqnd to those fooled by money spreading lies to favor special interests (definition of bribery)

    I donated to Barrett and wanted him to win but I worried about the effect on future elections on all levels with people NOT cooperating with a politician they didn't vote for. We have even seen a Marine say he would not follow lawful orders of the President.

    Proud Slut...Fear is the Mind Killer

    by boophus on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 12:21:19 PM PDT

    •  WI Repugs tried to recall prev Gov Doyle (D) (1+ / 0-)
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      AnnieJo

      twice (05 and 09).  Just failed miserably at it.  So they've already let that cat out of the bag.

      Funny how no one outside of WI - and 85% in WI - knows about that.

      To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt 1918

      by JVolvo on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 03:23:02 PM PDT

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