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The Wisconsin recall was obviously a blow, a terrible one, to those of us who care about the fate of working people—not just the teachers and librarians and snowplow drivers Scott Walker attacked, but grocery store cashiers and construction workers and accountants and dental hygienists and everyone who has to work for a living. But what does it mean? While one of the big storylines has been that the outcome of the recall would speak to labor's future, we know the story of unions in recent decades. Union density has been declining. That's not new and it's not news. As Josh Eidelson wrote prior to Tuesday's vote, "While resentment toward unions has grown since the 1950s, it’s not because they got too big. It’s because they got too small." When too few people share the benefits of unionization, it's easier for the Scott Walkers of the world to divide and conquer.

So the decades-long assault on unions has gotten a morale boost, a validation for all the money the Koch brothers and Walmart heirs have sunk into this fight. But the fact that they bothered to spend all that money shows that they still think unions have power. Hamilton Nolan gets down to why that is:

There is a simple reason why all those huge employers of retail and service workers—Target, Wal-Mart, Starbucks, Whole Foods, and countless others—are so emphatically anti-union: fear. These companies know that unions represent a sort of power for their workers that their workers will otherwise never have. That power translates to better working conditions and higher wages. That, in turn, eats into a company's profits, as all expenses do. For some companies, this is merely a nuisance, a potential hit to the stock price. For others—like Wal-Mart, which has built the world's largest retail chain by squeezing every last cent out of its costs—it is a potential existential threat.

This is only the end of the argument if you believe that Wal-Mart's is the most desirable business model for all the world. It is a particularly cutthroat evolution of capitalism, in which all human interests are secondary to the cause of cost-cutting and price-dropping. It is the belief that saving fifteen cents on a package of Pringles is more important than your neighbors being able to pay for health care.

So big corporate money and the Republican politicians in its sway have real reasons to fear unions. And Josh Eidelson suggests that Wisconsin, even after the failed recall, gives us some reasons for optimism:
But even as Wisconsin highlights labor’s vulnerability, it shows how dynamic a true labor movement can become. The recall effort itself offers one measure of what labor and its allies accomplished: triggering the third such election in U.S. history, fighting Walker to a close race despite marked asymmetry in cash (and national party support), and seizing control of the state Senate. While Walker’s survival will embolden other anti-union politicians, they’d be far bolder already if labor had just rolled over as rights were stripped away last year.

But the uprising in Wisconsin has accomplished far more than instigating an election. It has pushed state senators to meet a higher bar: fleeing the state to slow the bill. It’s muscled class and labor back into our culture and media. It’s forged a new wave of activists, and it’s moved working people all over the place.

"Don't mourn. Organize" is the classic thing we on the left, and perhaps particularly in labor, say after losses. By that we don't mean "don't be sad." We mean don't stop fighting while you mourn. Turn your grief into action. Reach out to others now and get ready for the next fight, making victory more likely then.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 12:59 PM PDT.

Also republished by ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement, In Support of Labor and Unions, German American Friendship Group, and Daily Kos.

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  •  OTOH---until the national Democratic Party can (12+ / 0-)

    show greater support and more dollars to these kind of races---we are still going to be on the losing end.   There is no reason to have been out-spent as much as we were.

     November is going to be damn tough---look at how hard the grass-roots worked-----and we still lost!!

    But, yes, we must still pick up---and fight again.

    •  I wonder if the outcome (3+ / 0-)
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      would have been different if the Dems had run a better candidate. Someone folks could have gotten excited about instead of just voting against Walker.

      I know the money issue was enormous and I'm afraid it will continue to be that way. But if we had some really excellent, qualified, charismatic and principled candidates running for office mightn't the outcome be different?

      We seem to only get "choices" between far right and center-right folks no matter what party/s they are affiliated with. It just plain disgusts me!

      "We aren't looking for charity. We are looking for justice. The journey of equality moves on."

      by CarolJ on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:45:39 PM PDT

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      •  Nope. (4+ / 0-)

        He was a great candidate -- did you see him in the debates? in his events around the state? -- and (although I know this is not fashionable these days, when it's all about the horse race and not about governing) the one that we needed for governor.  Those of who know him for decades know that he is excellent, qualified, and exceptionally principled.  What do you know different?

        The other candidates . . . well, the voters chose well in the primary.  Did you listen to them?  And I do mean that verb.  And Wisconsin would not have gone farther left, not today, if it ever did, except in Milwaukee -- and even there, it was "sewer socialism," and the last socialist mayor was more than half a century ago.  

        We have to work with the Dem voters that we have, and they're moderates.

        Of course, a problem with the primary was that $10 million was spent that could have helped in the general -- and much of that was spent bashing the candidate in the end.  But a lot of power-players who are not politicians screwed up the politics.  It was not a disciplined effort, but then, this is the Dems.  

        "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

        by Cream City on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:09:59 PM PDT

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        •  Thank you Cream City. Great comment. (4+ / 0-)

          I'm so heartsick about people dissing Tom Barrett who know NOTHING about him.   With his experience in the WI State Assembly, the WI State Senate, the U.S. House of Representatives, and finally as Mayor of Milwaukee since 2004, I just cringe when people criticize him as "not a very good candidate".  Jesus Christ.  Excuse my language, but if there's anyone who is an ethical, values-driven person it's Barrett.  And that he was subjected to an absolutely disgusting attack by a woman who slapped him last evening for conceding before she thought he should makes me almost ill.  If people want to be angry, go slap the members of the SCOTUS who made it possible for the Kochs and others to buy this election!  

          We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

          by 3goldens on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:40:28 PM PDT

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          •  I did not mean to offend. (1+ / 0-)
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            I will choose my words more carefully in the future.

            "We aren't looking for charity. We are looking for justice. The journey of equality moves on."

            by CarolJ on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:24:11 AM PDT

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            •  Apology accepted and thanks (0+ / 0-)

              for being such a class act.  There are people here who would not have had your decency or class.

              We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

              by 3goldens on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 04:18:38 PM PDT

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          •  barrett is a multiple time loser. (0+ / 0-)

            i am baffled at the logic of running barrett against walker, who convincingly beat him 18 months prior. that just seems like a common sense decision.

            and why people are surprised that walker beat the same opponent by roughly the same margin defies explanation.

            In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress. -John Adams

            by rcnewton on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:26:56 AM PDT

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        •  It was just a question. (0+ / 0-)

          Didn't mean to dis Barrett, but I can see how it sounded that way. Really just wanted to see what those in WI thought about the candidate the Dems ran. Looks like some liked him well.

          I haven't lived in WI since '87. It seems to have changed a bit since then. Seemed pretty blue back then. At least among the working class.

          Do you think Feingold could have won? Again, just curious. Not trying to say he is any better than Barrett.

          "We aren't looking for charity. We are looking for justice. The journey of equality moves on."

          by CarolJ on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:58:41 PM PDT

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          •  Just read an interesting scenario re Feingold (2+ / 0-)
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            as a candidate, had he been willing (No. Way.  He likes his life now), on a local blog -- a comment on the blog Blogging Blue, if it intrigues you to go see it.  It's pretty convincing that little would have differed.

            Remember, Feingold wouldn't take serious funding. . . .

            As for whether Wisconsin is red or blue:  Yes and no!  You know that it's both, and has been for eons.  The state that brought you Victor Berger and Bob La Follette (and Belle and Phil and Bob Jr. and now Doug. . . .) also brought you Joe McCarthy.

            What has changed is Waukesha County, especially, in two ways.  I lived there in the '70s and early '80s.  It was sane.  After all, the city and many of its towns were founded by wonderful reformers, and many descendants still are there.  But in the 70s, it became the fastest-growing county in the country.

            The newcomers were white-flighters from Milwaukee but also an influx of white evangelicals from south of us.  An unholy mix, pardon the pun.

            And it has kept growing and growing (and now, cancerous subterranean fields that is has, it wants our water, draining the Great Lakes; thanks, Tom Barrett, for fighting the good fight for our environment!) -- and the combination has created a huge conservative county, the fourth-reddest county in the country.

            That has changed politics here.  Now, in conjunction wth fast-growing other exurb counties adjoining it, Waukesha County can whomp the Milwaukee-Madison blue bloc.  When enough of sometimes-blue Dale Schultz moderate country in southwestern Wisconsin comes through in sufficient numbers and sufficiently blue, we have a shot.  When it doesn't, well . . . look at yesterday's data.

            Otherwise, not much has changed.  This is Wisconsin.  We don't need no stinkin' change.  You want change?  Go to Chicago, that wicked, wicked city to the south. :-)

            That's why movies about old Chicago are filmed here.  We have done a great job of historical preservation, because if it was good enough from grandma and grandpa, why change?  (Yes, it can be maddening.)

            "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

            by Cream City on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:05:28 PM PDT

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      •  Tom Barrett Is A Great Candidate! (5+ / 0-)

        Being the successful Mayor that he is; of a big city like Milwaukee, he's definitely the man to be Governor of Wisconsin.

        Tom Barrett Is Honest; (I know; an oxymoron, honest politician). But Tom, is the kind of person people should want to elect. Not some shady character, like walker.

        I wrote this diary Monday. It's short and I think says a lot about what's going on. Divide And Conquer? Hey scotty, They're Coming For You!

        IMO, walker didn't really win this re-call election. Wisconsin Democrats were just practicing. A WI Kossack told me Mon night that, "The Fight Goes On"!

        They'll get walker in 2014!

        Actually, scott walker only won in the November 2010 general election, by attaining 52 percent of the vote. walker is definitely beatable!

        Until then WI Dems have plenty of time to get Wisconsin to know what a fine man Tom Barrett is and to get everyone registered and motivated to vote.

        Educating voters and getting out the vote is a main priority all over the US for 2012 and always.

        Power To The People, Right On!


        You'll Win Wisconsin Solidarity

        Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

        by rebel ga on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:17:35 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks for the feedback. eom (1+ / 0-)
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          "We aren't looking for charity. We are looking for justice. The journey of equality moves on."

          by CarolJ on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:30:12 PM PDT

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        •  Barrett is toast. Wisconsin Dems need a forward (1+ / 0-)
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          looking leader.

          Recall was a big risk for Barrett.  He'll be identified as the guy who lost the recall.  The sour grapes, "I lost the election, so I'll run in a recall" guy.

          It's time for us to look forward and fight on.  Certainly the people of Wisconsin have a better choice than Barrett out there for them.

          •  barrett's career is over (1+ / 0-)
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            once you lose decisively like that repeatedly, it's very hard to bounce back.

            In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress. -John Adams

            by rcnewton on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:27:56 AM PDT

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          •  I'm from NJ. (1+ / 0-)
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            But I still think Barrett is great. Being the Mayor of a big city like Milwaukee, is no small achievement.

            You'll Win Wisconsin and I'll be here cheering you on and trying to help. As one commenter said "your fight is my fight".

            This battle, is a nationwide fight for justice!

            Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

            by rebel ga on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 04:14:27 AM PDT

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            •  Bravissima, rebel ga! (2+ / 0-)
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                                       _ The Battle Lines are Drawn _
               Are we mere friendly political opponents, OR, implacable battlefield enemies?

              ! The swinistic greed and racial hatred of the American ruling elite is abysmal !

              by joe wobblie on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 06:57:56 AM PDT

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              •  ? (2+ / 0-)
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                This entire country needs reforming. Eradicating poverty, ensuring good education, decent paying jobs, medical coverage for those who can't afford it and much more too.

                Enemies, has nothing to do with it. It's all about taking care of those who need help.

                It's All About Justice!

                Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

                by rebel ga on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 08:07:50 AM PDT

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    •  fight (1+ / 0-)
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      This is a fight--not just a battle of bucks.  Unions need to be active doing union things--strikes don't win friends--but demand respect.  Read the history of unions--there was never gain without pain.  As for WI--time to call a general strike of all municipal employees.  This is not Masada, time to fight back.

      Apres Bush, le deluge.

      by melvynny on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:53:30 PM PDT

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  •  We Took the Senate Though No? (10+ / 0-)

    That's going to throw a monkey wrench into the tea legislation wheels.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 01:26:22 PM PDT

    •  woke up this morning feeling sick about Wisconsin (9+ / 0-)

      but the one bright spot does help.
      I'm not sure how meaningful it is since my understanding is that there won't be any legislative sessions until after the November elections (and so Lehman will have to run again then from a new district I think?), but it still feels good to have won at least one.
      I agree with Laura though that we need to use this as a goad rather than as a depressant. Lots of people discovered their political talents in the Wisconsin uprising, and that's a very good thing.
      I do believe we might have done better if the Republicans hadn't succeeded in delaying the recall elections until June when the universities were all emptied out. And the Republicans knew it too.

      We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

      by Tamar on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 01:32:04 PM PDT

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    •  senate (3+ / 0-)
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      won't meet until after Nov. after it is up for grabs again!

      In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted." Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)

      by lippythelion69 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 01:35:44 PM PDT

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      •  Walker could always call a special session! (3+ / 0-)
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        You know, just to be nice to those Democrats for a few months. He's a great guy like that! :)

        •  Exactly. Walker was planning a special session (7+ / 0-)

          with the agenda of the right-to-work bill, the privatizing of public workers' pension fund, and more -- but we won!

          We stopped Walker!

          Look, this was about what Walker represents, not just Walker.  Right behind him was another Koch puppet to put in place.  What we needed to do was stop what Walker and the Kochs represent, and they got a comeuppance.

          And we get the joy of watching the other Scotty only "surviving" his recall and out of power, and Fitzgerald is not the guy who's going to like being on the back bench.
          Watching him will be almost as much fun as watching Scooter be all bipartisanish today, a new day in Wisconsin!

          "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

          by Cream City on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:27:23 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah. That was just snark, until I realized from (3+ / 0-)
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            your other comment that he WOULD just be calling a special session to push through more crap, if he could do so with majorities in both houses.

            Though again I do wish the national MSM would mention this more. "Walker wins, but Democrats take Senate to thwart him" or whatever! (And again, just the first part gets reported, unfortunately...as if Walker is some sort of dictator. Oh, wait, he kind of is...)

    •  Not a useful victory, really... (4+ / 0-)

      As many have pointed out, the Senate isn't in session and all but one new seat is up for grabs in November. And that's with new gerrymandered maps, so it'll be tough. (But certainly not undoable! :)

      Now, it WOULD be a much better win if the mainstream media were reporting "Scott Walker wins recall, but Wisconsin Senate control shifts to Democrats." Unfortunately, they're just reporting "Scott Walker wins recall." The average person has no idea about the state senate (if they even know about Walker), so it's really just symbolic...

      We do get a bit of an incumbent boost in November, but from what I've seen, the gerrymandering seems to offset that...but who knows. Let's hope for the best!

      •  You must not be a public employee (11+ / 0-)

        knowing that our pension fund is on Walker's agenda -- but now he can't call that special session.

        You must not be a union member, knowing that the right-to-work bill is on Walker's agenda -- but now he can't call that special session.

        And more, much more now has been stopped.

        And the media are reporting the shift; see a fun read for much between the lines on the front page at JSOnline.  Oh, to be a fly on the wall of the offices today of Risser, Miller, et al. -- and poor Mike Ellis, who can't even scratch his head to wonder what to do without causing a fashion malfunction.

        "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

        by Cream City on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:30:44 PM PDT

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        •  Okay, you're completely right on that point. But.. (0+ / 0-)

          Legislation has definitely been halted until whenever the next session starts, and that certainly IS a plus. And you're right, a special session would be called to push forward Walker's crap if the GOP still had the Senate.

          I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm not well-informed enough on this point, and incorrect in my assertions!

          But, please don't reply as if I'm concern trolling or whatever just because I'm not a public employee, or a union member (even if I'm not, but that's not relevant)...hey, I've never actually BEEN to Wisconsin, other than a couple times on layovers! It's not like I still don't support getting rid of the Walker-led regime.

          (And yeah, I've been reading some of the JSOnline coverage, but I'm talking more of the national MSM...not local stuff that very few out-of-staters like me actually read.)

      •  See posts above. (6+ / 0-)

        Walker can call a special session anytime he wants, and if he still had a senate majority, I think chance are good he would ram through more BS.  Secondly Lehman does not have to run till 2014, which frees Democrats up to fight for other seats.

    •  They are out of session until after November's (0+ / 0-)

      election.  We have to win then to make a difference.

    •  correct (1+ / 0-)
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      we took the senate so in total it was a victory because in the end we gained more

      Pencils aren't for eating. Trust me.

      by Hamtree on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:42:17 PM PDT

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  •  I really like this (11+ / 0-)

    "Don't mourn, organize."

    Exactly!

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 01:35:04 PM PDT

  •  Good post, Laura. Thanks. (7+ / 0-)

    I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

    by TomP on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 01:47:18 PM PDT

  •  If you are going to take a shot at the king (9+ / 0-)

    Don't miss.  

    Wisconsin or Syria.  Real or metaphorically.

    And never march without your forces consolidated...pretending that "this is just local".

    Lots of blame to go around, and as much as I like the message, the reality is that a blueprint has been laid down in Wis Ohio and Indiana...and it will be executed.  I am not sure organization is the answer.   Things seemed pretty organized to me in Wis.   yet the majority of wisconsinites decided that collective bargaining was not worthy of their vote and the guy that threw it out was.    The Democratic party across the nation decided this wasn't a fight worth their time or
    Or money across multiple states. Unions decided that the lgbt strategy of no compromise was to divisive and continue to allow themselves to be taken for granted.  

    Now we can discuss if that was a reasonable strategy, but the message and decisions were clear.  So now we need to determine if this is acceptable.  I believe only an all ou campaign for labor and it's value will have any impact.  Otherwise, divide and conquer us a legit strategy and will continue to work.  Leadership is required. It currently is not present at unions or their chosen political party.  

    History has been forgotten and is repeating itself. When will someone step up and stop the bleeding.

    "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

    by justmy2 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 01:58:51 PM PDT

    •  And yes, this was a reality check. (6+ / 0-)

      My point isn't give up hope.  It is the current plan is fatally flawed, and kumbaya-tried harder next time is not acceptable.  Republicans are on the brink of returning totally from the brink of extinction due to some very clear ruinous decisions by specific players on the other side and a take no prisoners approach (telegraphed by the way).   More than more and better organization is require at this point.   Someone has to be willing to put the cards on the table.    Now is the time for a post action review,  not an attaboy.  That is what leaders demand.

      "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

      by justmy2 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 02:06:22 PM PDT

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    •  Walker had been so radical there was nothing (0+ / 0-)

      to lose by taking a shot with a recall. You're being beat up, do something, don't just sit there and take it.

      Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

      by Dirtandiron on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:53:49 PM PDT

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    •  Democrats Live In Loserville (1+ / 0-)
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      Justmy2, your thread title and first three sentences say everything about a recall.

      This is a GBCW post from somebody who used to read DailyKos every day. Lately, I've been surfing here occasionally--every time I do, there are at least 3-4 photos and analyses of Romney. Yeah, I know it's the politics of destruction, and according to some marketing types with Ivy-League degrees, it's the right political move.

      Apparently, though, neither the owner nor the feature writers have run across this pertinent bon mot by Oscar Wilde:

      "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."

      It seems too many Dems--including the impotent owner of this site and his minions--have taken on the president's strategy: I've made it, so let me ensure that I continue to make it. The rest? Fuck them. They rock the boat too much. Hey, let's pretend to be Republicans--that'll confuse the voters and they'll love us...and anybody trying to kick up the status-quo dust? Jesus, what are they doing? Just ignore them...ignore them...voters hate it when you cause controversy...ignore the troublemakers...good, now they're gone...now let's work on those Republican ideas...so the voters will love us...

      This is a disastrous day. Wisconsinites got enough petitions for a re-call...and then lost the re-call. How many times has that happened on any local, state, or fed level?

      I haven't seen and experienced this level of nationally significant incompetence...ever.

      Say what you will about the McGovern campaign...at least it's an ethos.

      Jesus, even Gray Davis--who didn't even commit any illegalities--got recalled...for being a Democrat...an alleged Democrat, that is, because he's nothing Roosevelt or Truman would recognize. He wasn't a Democrat--more like the pseudo-Dem neoliberal variety that Obama is--and he got his ass handed to him. Californians hated him...because he was middle-of-the-right-wing-road, and he proved (along with ample help from a neoliberal state assembly) that he was diligent and efficient about getting hoodwinked into an energy crisis by a rigged stock market and an energy provider so corrupt that it couldn't avoid federal prosecution--in an age that makes the oversight of the 1870s look like a Stalinist NKVD pet project.

      How fucking lame can this party get? Seriously?

      This winger (Walker), who is probably going to have a few more of his decisions rescinded in either state supreme court or at the fed level, just received a fiat from the voting public, thanks to the Democratic Party of Wisconsin and the Democratic Party of the entire U.S.

      This couldn't have been planned any better than Goebbels for Hitler.

      Yeah, that's right--I went into Godwin-land...and I march there proudly...because it fits.

      Not even the Weimar Republic was this lame. This party just gave the worst governor ever a democratic justification for anything he wants to do for the next blah-blah years.

      Wisconsin, you suck.

      Democratic Party, you suck.

      Kos, you suck.

      And I suck...for believing that the great minds of this party and this site had some brilliant plan for gaining the seats of government and using those seats in the most rational and humane ways.

      We can't even keep the seats....after getting the rest of the voting public to agree that the other guy doesn't deserve the seat...

      Oops--apparently he's OK. No to Democrats again.

      Tonight, we are all Charlie Brown.

      I'm going to find some Green and/or socialist party that might have an inkling about creating a viable grassroots movement.

      I'm not optimistic.

      Perhaps some enlightened Scandinavian country will take me as a political refugee.

      I am a patient man...about any country but this one.

      Peace, out--and somebody in charge get fucking smarter, more principled, and winnable. Seriously.

      Humanist principles + Rationality + Intelligence = Win.

      Pre-humanist principles + Irrationality + Ignorance = Lose.

      All you have to do is point out that you are right and smart, and that your opponent is wrong and stupid.

      It's that simple.

      •  Nice rant! (0+ / 0-)

        Losing this recall very frustrating.  Analysis, lessons learned, consoling all helpful.  But sometimes nothing but a good rant will make you feel better!

        That said, I hope you can channel that passion into effective campaigning come November!

        Don't mourn, organize!

  •  Sorry to say most people now dislike unions (9+ / 0-)

    some intensely.
    This is something the unions have failed to address but really need to, maybe by a serious PR campaign.

    And public sector pensions drive people crazy especially after defined benefit pension disappeared for majority of non-union workers.

    •  The brightest minds in labor need to (3+ / 0-)
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      pool their freshest thinking about how to regain some power.

      Conservatives deliberately targeted unions and undercut them wherever possible by demonization ("corrupt union bosses," etc.), policy, etc., for the last fifty years. It was a very dedicated and fanatical enterprise from corporate powers and their Republican stooges.

      It has worked. The labor movement needs to get every bit as crafty and dedicated as their enemies and more.

      I was seeing what Adam had seen on the morning of his creation - the miracle, moment by moment, of naked existence. --The Doors of Perception, Aldous Huxley

      by Wildthumb on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:25:06 PM PDT

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      •  They spent millions against Barrett when what (1+ / 0-)
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        they really need to do is spend big money on a PR campaign.

        The Army, Navy, and Marines go to Madison Avenue.  Sports, businesses, politicians use media consultants.

        The unions have been trying to do it in house, and it's been an epic failure.  

        Hopefully this recall defeat is a game-changer for the union leaders.  The unions need to improve their image among the general population.

    •  It's not as if they don't have a choice. (3+ / 0-)
      And public sector pensions drive people crazy especially after defined benefit pension disappeared for majority of non-union workers.
      If only there was something employees could do in an organized fashion to demand such a defined benefit pension for themselves...
      •  There is something employees can do--- (4+ / 0-)

        form a union.  The only way to fight big business is in numbers, hence the need for and the birth of unions.  They are the necessary ying to the yang of corporate power.  

        American businesses have been steadily squeezing their employees for over a decade.  More responsibilities, folks doing 2 jobs for the price of one because someone was laid off and not replaced, years without any meaningful raises, and increasingly bad health insurance plans.  Even as the economy begins to struggle back, you see that employers have come to like this "lean" thing, and have no incentive to change it.  More money in their pockets.

        So yes, the private sector has absolutely become increasingly envious of union workers since their own benefits have lessened and disappeared. We're headed back to the original labor fight for a very tough do over---as if the progress made evaporated.  

        Same is true with women's health rights. Yes, the republicans are taking their country back alright, back to re-fight and re-legislate the progress we've made.

        To me, this is far from an "exceptional" country.  Exceptional countries and smart people go forward, not backwards.

        •  Envy is a human frailty (1+ / 0-)
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          that is exploited by the right-wing to perfection.  Of course, they have decades, and perhaps centuries of practice.

          I don't understand the concept of not begrudging the filthy rich their lucre, but being upset that someone at your income level has better benefits than yourself.

          It's a sad thing that, instead of fighting for one's own benefits, or organizing to achieve that end, the easiest solution to same-class envy is to take down unions and make sure that they have nothing exceptional, leaving all of the middle class with less and less.

    •  This (1+ / 0-)
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      Sorry to say most people now dislike unions
      Not only doesn't help but shows that those using, union or non union, have joined those that are said to hate and thrown out what workers fought for not so long ago and never engage as to educating the what was done and especially if in or the now more coming so called right to work states!!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:42:42 PM PDT

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      •  But the problem is that a lot of people feel that (3+ / 0-)
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        way. My own hubbie was anti union when I met him. What you normally hear from these folks is - we don't need unions anymore, they are unnecessary. And you have to work really hard to counter 30 years worth of union bashing.

        if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

        by mrsgoo on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:46:15 PM PDT

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      •  Add (3+ / 0-)

        And never except the arguments of corruption in unions, especially tears back, that corruption is a thousand fold in the private sector and especially in the business offices and workplaces that are non union, and frankly that's what right to work is as well!!

        Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

        by jimstaro on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:46:30 PM PDT

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    •  exactly, unions need to win people's trust (0+ / 0-)

      They have engaged too long in antagonism - have hindered progress. Many of the reforms that made Germany the leading economy in Europe were driven by unions at the time. Unions should be leading efforts to build a competitive economy, not engage in antagonism. I know that this goes both ways and the antagonism between CEOs and unions in this country is insane for anyone who has lived in Europe. Well, now in the Europe infected by the austerity virus this will also likely fall apart. It already does in Italy and Spain. Certainly Greece.

      Also, lets not push too many recalls on people unless extraordinary circumstances. Recalls cannot be used as frequently as filibuster. I think many Democrats questioned the wisdom of a recall.

  •  Walker lost (2+ / 0-)
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    The only thing that Scott Walker proved in winning last night is that when you have corporate friends and deep-pocketed allies allowed to spend $70 million in nasty and untrue attack ads, you're going to be impossible to beat. This is the ultimate example of democracy for sale, where the same dark money forces that got Walker into office in the first place banded together and subverted the people in a bid to continue the agenda that has destroyed Wisconsin and will soon destroy America once the Kochs and the other corporate right-wing thugs buy the White House for Mitt Romney. Scott Walker bought this election. He did not win it.  http://www.sunstateactivist.org

    •  Come back to reality, please.... (1+ / 0-)
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      It doesn't matter how much he spent, he won, so I'm sure there will be returns.  We also spent about 20 million and it was all for naught.  So we lost.  

      •  It does matter what he spent. (1+ / 0-)
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        Scott Walker Spent 88% of the Money to Get 53% of the Vote."
        Here's another way of saying that: Walker spent $23 for each vote he received, while Barrett spent only $3.47 per vote.

        But the reality is even worse than this, because the $34.5 billion figure does not include so-called independent expenditures and issue ads paid for primarily by out-of-state billionaires (like the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, and Joe Rickets), business groups, and the National Rifle Association, which were skewed even more heavily toward Walker.  Once all this additional spending is calculated, we'll see that total spending in this race could be more than double the $34.5 billion number, that Walker and his business allies outspent Barrett by an even wider margin, and that he had to spend even more than $23 for each vote.

        http://www.alternet.org/...

        Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

        by DRo on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:54:39 PM PDT

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      •  It definitely matters how much he spent... (0+ / 0-)

        How many states did Romney find himself behind in the GOP primaries, only to turn that around with an expensive media-blitz in just a few weeks?

        When Santorum and Gingrich think that it is an unethical process, it must be really bad.  Gingrich was failing and flailing in the polls until his sugar-daddy Adelson came up with several 5 million-dollar infusions into his campaign.

        The Koch Brothers, the Republican Governor's Association, and too many millionaires to mention outspent the people of Wisconsin, and they got their man elected.

        This is now the blueprint of how to win any election.   When the people favor a certain candidate, their minds can be changed with an expensive ad blitz.  It's very sad.

  •  To me (8+ / 0-)

    the 30%+ union households going for Walker was more disappointing than the overall result. One in three of those in a union actively voted against unions - I cannot get past that I'm afraid.

  •  I often think how many fought and DIED (10+ / 0-)

    to establish unions in this country, and not so long ago.  My grandparent's era:  not exactly distant historical time.

    If workers get desperate enough, they'll fight that hard again.  I hope it won't come to that.  Electoral battles are a lot more manageable.  In the meantime, man the barricades ballots!  And phone lines.  And so on.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:12:35 PM PDT

    •  Yes, lgmcp, (3+ / 0-)
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      We have so many labor martyrs that I will be long gone before I can ever find all of their names.

      And those who built up the unions often said that they wanted to leave a good strong organization behind for the "coming generations": that would be us.

      We owe it to them to fight to preserve their legacy.

      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

      by JayRaye on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:22:07 PM PDT

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    •  It might take a near total collapse of this (6+ / 0-)

      society with an impossible gulf between the haves and have nots before we have an inevitable exchange of power. A real
      "Blade Runner" society.

      The powers against us, money and conservative fanatics,
      will fight tooth and nail, and it'll get worse before it gets better.

      I was seeing what Adam had seen on the morning of his creation - the miracle, moment by moment, of naked existence. --The Doors of Perception, Aldous Huxley

      by Wildthumb on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:28:00 PM PDT

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  •  Non-Union Workers (4+ / 0-)
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    Need to come together with like minded others, those that understand what the battles of workers, our parents and grand parents meant and did for us, up till that started getting torn apart some thirty years back.

    You don't need to unionize but you should set up coalitions with the unions in your communities and work with them, what you leave to the next generations is at stake and right now that certainly isn't what my folks, and in kind others, built and left to us!!!

    If those who still call themselves republican find nothing wrong with the few making multi millions but that there is something wrong with workers who actually work to not make as decent living and with decent retirement and health care in return for their years of serving the communities especially then that's what you're fighting against, for those who see the nothing wrong are hurting themselves and the next generations to come!!

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:21:03 PM PDT

  •  One of the things I find myself (5+ / 0-)

    feeling sad about, amongst many, is that we will not get to know Tom Barrett as a governor.  I know there are those here who thought he was the wrong candidate, and I just had to suffer through another gas bag punditry pooping from Howard Fine on Chris Mathews about how much better of a candidate Scott Walker was.  Blech, can't stand that guy, always seems like a gossipy old lady to me, with a lot of the stuff he spews about that valid.

    But for me, I saw in Barrett an enormously decent man, who while not as left as I am, has the kind of values I can live with in a politician.  He's smart, well spoken, and I thought he did a helluva job in just 4 weeks, and a knock out job in the two debates.  Plus, I think he showed a lot of courage to run again, and risk loosing again.

    I wanted to slap the woman who slapped him.  GEEEEEEEEZ, what a jerk.

    •  Ditto. And he has represented me for decades (3+ / 0-)
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      in his long career of public service in the legislature and Congress and as mayor, and what we need is good governance.

      Apologies to thsoe who want glitz, gimmickry, free concerts and fancy faux pillars, but this is Wisconsin, folks.

      And apologies to those who want the horse race and then move on and aren't here for the long haul, but this is Wisconsin, where we needed a good governor.

      And Tom and the volunteers did a helluva job on GOTV in Milwaukee, the city of, alone -- with more than 50,000 more voters yesterday than in 2010, so many new voters waiting to register on voting day (sigh, but we try to tell them) that we ran out of not just ballots but -- a first! -- registration forms.  Thus, the delay that irked the nasty woman who slapped the most gentlemanly man there is, and in front of his wife and chlidren who had given up so much, too (and taken so much crap already).

      Stella, the woman was not only rude and . . . well, we won't go there . . . she was uninformed and simply wrong.  Tom waited until City Hall told him that the last voter had voted, more than half an hour before he conceded.  Of course, he would check first, because his constituents always have come first.  

      Fortunately for me, it's a win-win.  He's still my mayor -- and we had no one on the horizon ready with his skills to continue the revitalization here that is remaking my city.

      "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

      by Cream City on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:23:17 PM PDT

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      •  What a great post, CC! (2+ / 0-)
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        I like all your posts, but really enjoyed this one.  You make SO many good points.

        And I loved your giving that slap happy woman a bigger kick in the butt than I managed.  Yes, "in front of his wife and children and the world,"  not to mention in his moment of defeat after bravely standing up to run again, and not to mention the fact that she was dead wrong.  YUK.

        I am glad he's still your mayor---although if Wisconsin could have stolen him from you, that would have been very good too.  Although born and raised in Madison, all my mother's side was from Milwaukee, so many holidays and summer weekends spent there growing up.  It's a city with so much potential, sitting itself on a gorgeous spread of Lake Michigan, but until the last decade, it's always been the frumpy sister to Chicago.

        But on my last visit there, a couple of years ago, I was stunned and so impressed to see the revitalization. You know CC, not to sound like a Pollyanna, but sometimes things have a way of working our the way they're supposed to. Milwaukee loves Barrett, and Barrett loves Milwaukee.  

        I am consoled that Barrett will return to a job he loves, and that Milwaukee will continue to benefit from such a fine, decent man. And now the onus is on Walker, like never before. Fingers crossed that he gets indicted.  That would go a long way to make up for the heart break I felt last night.

        •  Ah, this explains much. You're part Mwokeean! (1+ / 0-)
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          so no wonder your comments have been great for me to read here.  And did your mother drop her l's, as we do, and call it Mwokee?

          I'm so glad, too, that you have seen that the frumpy sister has gotten darned fashionable lately, hasn't she?  Did you see the Calatrava, and did you see it open its wings?  It's so memorable to see on my lovely lakefront.  (I live near the lakefront and get to gaze upon it almost daily. . . .)

          -- interrupted by yet another phone survey about how I voted, past tense!  it never stops here --

          Now, about things having a way of working out, I just saw tv pundits saying that the Tea Partiers are pushing hard for Rock Star Scooter to be Romney's VP.  

          Oh, that is wonderful for us!  Let's join in the effort so that Romney will have an indicted co-conspirator (in Watergate-speek) on the ballot!  

          "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

          by Cream City on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:08:40 PM PDT

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          •  :):):):):):):) (0+ / 0-)

            Can't believe you zeroed right in on the "Mwokee" thing.  Can't even tell you how many friends up here in Minnesota have laughed at how I say "Mwokee."  They've all got this weird idea that you pronounce it "Mil- waukee." LOL.

            Lucky you to live near the lake front.  After my parents divorced, when I was at school at the UW Madison, my mother moved back to Milwaukee.  She had a condo in the Regency.  Are you familiar with it?  It was a lovely place that overlooked the lake on one side, and the city on the other.  You could see "Sally's" very well from her balcony.  At that time it was a very interesting restaurant, rumored to be run by the mafia, RIGHT ON the lake, and the best of what "supper club" means.  Don't even know if it's still there.  

            Also, LOVED my mother's neighborhood just up the lake from her.  Even all those years ago, it was very hip and like a slice of a city with a contemporary pulse point.

            As for Scooter as Romney's VP, yeah that would be lovely.  But I'm not holding my breath.  Romney, frankly, doesn't have the balls to hire the most radical conservatives in his party to be his VP.  He's just not THAT severely conservative---except when he's talking to the base.  He's just not "that" anything.

            You know, CC, all this to do about how Obama didn't show up in Wisconsin has tended to give cover to the fact that Romney didn't show up there either.  Nor did he make even a mention of it in the weeks and days preceeding the recall.

            Of course, he was happy to try to jump on the band wagon this morning. What a schmuckola.

  •  I don't think most people know Walker could have (4+ / 0-)

    called a special session. Republicans spent millions defendeding the Senate seats. They won't be able to pass new laws making Wisconsin a right to work state, or requiring unnecessary vaginal ultrasounds and waiting periods before an abortion for example.

    "But Democrats will be able to block any Republican legislation should Walker call for a special session of the Legislature.
    Senate power shifts to Dems as Lehman narrowly defeats Wanggaard

     http://m.host.madison.com/...

     Without the Senate, Walker cannot pass laws. Democrats can keep control of the Senate in November. The same polls that predicted Walker would survive the recall, show that the Democrats will win in November.

  •  This recall election affected many things (0+ / 0-)

    For sure, it was a loss by democrats in Wisconsin.  It also is being called a vote for austerity and an end to public union contracts in cities, counties and states all across the nation by, of course, the republican media and leadership.

    The biggest blow I see is to unions in particular all across our country.  When I was a member of the Teamsters in the '90's, we were strong, energetic, powerful and dedicated.  Today?  Teamsters is smaller and less powerful and less dedicated to worker's rights and seems to be more about political involvement and leadership-led endeavors.  This just makes current union members suspect as to how much bang they're getting for their dues buck these days.  

    Of course, it is just an opinion.  But, with the weak union membership numbers we've seen in the past years, it will be difficult to argue my point here.

    - If you don't like gay marriage, blame straight people. They're the ones who keep having gay babies.

    by r2did2 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:25:22 PM PDT

  •  blame (3+ / 0-)

    Unions self destructed--starting with PATCO.  If they want to regain their power, they need to use their only power--not the ballot box--the picket line.  When was the last time you encountered a picket line?  Many on dkos are too young to have ever seen strikers dare people to cross their line.  Politicians--and corporations--and voters--respect power, begging for fairness is so counterproductive.  Al Shanker and Mike quill knew this, Trumka and friends need to read history books.  As do many on the left--unions made the middle class through sweat and fear--a lesson still known in Germany and France--but not here.

    Apres Bush, le deluge.

    by melvynny on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:27:15 PM PDT

    •  One union started self-destructing (3+ / 0-)
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      in Wisconsin, when it refused to endorse the Dem  in 2010.  Result:  Walker.

      Well, its leaders did.  And they continued the self-destruction in the primary this time, until the members stepped up, if belatedly, to take at least some control.  Good for you, teachers, and don't give up your power again.

      "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

      by Cream City on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:25:57 PM PDT

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  •  it wasn't a loss (1+ / 0-)
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    Walker no longer has a Republican legislature. He can't pass diddley doo unless the Democrats agr-------ohhhhhhhhhh.

    We're doomed.

  •   the Union has declined to endorse Tom Barrett. (0+ / 0-)

    Union has declined to endorse Tom Barrett...
    TAA has declined to endorse Democratic challenger and Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett...
    Maybe the fight is going to continue without the Democratic party?

    Nudniks need not apply.

    by killermiller on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:29:57 PM PDT

  •  provocative comment warning! (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm pro-Union, but... I feel like I am missing an understanding on something here.  Not seeing the forest through the trees.

    Isn't the power of the Union rooted The Strike, pure and simple?

    What power does a Union have if that potential threat to the employer isn't wielded so to be taken seriously?

    I am skeptical that Unions can accomplish much via lobbying and political activity.  Isn't the main thing to strike and demand x, y, z benefits...e.g. collectively bargain?

    there are probably lots on DKOS who will face palm my comment, but please believe me that I mean these questions earnestly, and respectively to the cause.

    thanks

  •  With Democrats like these (5+ / 0-)
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    check out this steaming pile today from Blance Lincoln.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

    by greendem on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:30:05 PM PDT

    •  Who is she kidding? (6+ / 0-)

      Why doesn't that woman re-register as a Republican?  It's no wonder Democrats couldn't stomach her.

      Cripes.  

      I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

      by KayCeSF on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:50:52 PM PDT

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    •  Someone selected her (1+ / 0-)
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      Someone donated to her
      Someone fundraised for her
      Someone transferred funds to her campaign from the national party
      Someone voted for her....

      Do you really think she is the problem?

      Time for some mirrors in the Democratic party as a whole...

      The one that ignores there own party platform whenever possible...

      Why can you find a Lincoln around every corner, but not anyone even close to analogous on the right...?

      Has much more to do with party members and party leadership than any one politician...

      "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

      by justmy2 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 09:35:22 PM PDT

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  •  We lost the rural half of Greece (0+ / 0-)

    That's the population of Wisconsin.

    Republicans won the rural part of Greece.

    The fight continues on into Spain, Italy, and France...

    but let's not pretend losing the rural part of Greece is some huge catastrophe.

    Would have been better not to, but really... it's barely on the map if we want to be honest about it.

  •  Hey, here's a question. (1+ / 0-)
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    If there is no union at a workplace, then there is no contract. So there are no penalties if workers walk off the job, right? Yeah, I know that's pretty unlikely that such would ever happen, since organization is the whole point of unionism. But I have been wondering whether it's possible to think of a different kind of organization, more like a guerrilla infiltration in which an industrial organization grows but denies that it really exists, but nevertheless exerts its influence in the workplace. I dunno; just wool-gathering, I guess. But think about how social networks function today. Couldn't you imagine something like, say, Workbook, where you sign up as a worker and it connects you to other workers, and by signing up, you pledge to support your fellow workers, and to take action when the network suggests that you do. Then anti-union legislation might be targeting entities that have mutated into a kind of industrial virus. Is this nutty thinking?

    The universe may have a meaning and a purpose, but it may just specifically not include you.

    by Anne Elk on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:36:27 PM PDT

    •  Don't they just fire the workers and hire scabs? (0+ / 0-)

      There are workers out there who, unfortunately, are proud scabs. Especially in this economy.

      Male, 21, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02, remorseless supporter of Walker's recall. Pocan for Congress and Baldwin for Senate!

      by fearlessfred14 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:40:43 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, that's always a problem. (0+ / 0-)

        But in a country where union members are only 16% or less of the workforce, maybe it's time to reinvent the whole concept. I don't claim to have the answers here, but unions the way they are now are doomed. What is needed is a radical new vision for a way of organizing workers that ditches a model that isn't working, obviously. But, if we don't think of possible new approaches, there won't be any.

        The universe may have a meaning and a purpose, but it may just specifically not include you.

        by Anne Elk on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:21:43 PM PDT

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  •  Pretty ironic to quote Joe Hill in this post. (2+ / 0-)

    "Don't mourn. Organize"

    Joe Hill, a Wobbly (IWW), would have had little use for this recall effort.  It was the modern day IWW that made the first call for a general strike in Wisconsin.  Hill, like his fellow Wob, Emma Goldman, thought voting was a waste of time.

    If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.
    In your quote, Hill wasn't talking about some retread Democrat losing yet another election.  He was about to be executed on a framed-up murder charge, cooked up to silence the great activist songwriter.

    People don't like it when wingnuts misuse a MLK, Jr. quote to back some policy or idea that King would have found abhorrent.

    Your misuse of Joe Hill here is comparable.

    •  Here's what Hill really thought of sellouts: (0+ / 0-)

      The IWW led a 1912 strike of textile workers, mostly women, in Lawrence, MA.  It's recounted in some detail in Howard Zinn's A People's History.

      A cast of characters:

      Sammy Gompers: head of the AFL, forerunner of the AFL-CIO
      John Golden: head of the United Textile Workers, who tried to derail the strike and called the Wobs "revolutionaries" and "anarchists."

      (I'm reminded of the Airplane's "We Can Be Together:"

      "Everything they say, we are.  WE ARE!")

      Now Joe Hill tells the story in song:

      JOHN GOLDEN AND THE LAWRENCE STRIKE
      By Joe Hill

      (Tune: "A Little Talk with Jesus")

      In Lawrence, when the starving masses struck for more to eat
      And wooden-headed Wood he tried the strikers to defeat,
      To Sammy Gompers wrote and asked him what he thought,
      And this is just the answer that the mailman brought:

      CHORUS
      A little talk with Golden
      Makes it right, all right;
      He'll settle any strike,
      If there's coin in sight;
      Just take him up to dine
      And everything is fine-
      A little talk with Golden
      Makes it right, all right.

      The preachers, cops and money-kings were working hand in hand,
      The boys in blue, with stars and stripes were sent by Uncle Sam;
      Still things were looking blue, 'cause every striker knew
      That weaving cloth with bayonets is hard to do.
      John Golden had with Mr. Wood a private interview,
      He told him how to bust up the "I double double U."
      He came out in a while and wore the Golden smile.
      He said: "I've got all labor leaders skinned a mile."
      John Golden pulled a bogus strike with all his "pinks and stools."
      He thought the rest would follow like a bunch of crazy fools.
      But to his great surprise the "foreigners" were wise,
      In one big solid union they were organized.

      CHORUS OF THE LAST VERSE
      That's one time Golden did not
      Make it right, all right;
      In Spite of his schemes
      The strikers won the fight.
      When all the workers stand
      United hand in hand,
      The world with all its wealth
      Will be at their command.

    •  Ironic, yet appropriate, at the same time. n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  How is this loss in Wisconsin a win for workers (4+ / 0-)

    when 36% of the union households voted for Walker?  

    Excuse me, but it sounds to me like union people are fighting union people when they can't stand together as one.  What's the message to "workers" with that kind of split, giving Walker the edge after so many union people worked to Recall Walker?

    As I said last night, Walker said he was going to "divide and conquer" and apparently he's done exactly that with unions.  What a clever guy Walker is, and some of the union workers bought his line, hook, line and sinker for workers.

    Call me confused.  :/

    Anyway, I do agree that we must continue fighting for workers even if I am confused about where the unions stood in Wisconsin.  

    I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

    by KayCeSF on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:45:24 PM PDT

    •  I don't blame you for being confused. (5+ / 0-)

      I live here and I am absolutely unable to explain why some residents of this state vote as they do against their own best self-interests.  There's a dissonance with some of our voters that is hard to understand and even harder to explain, but I'll try.

      What I do see, after living here for my entire 65 years, is a split between workers who are unionized and those who are not.  What I have heard for years is this:  "Why should those teachers and other public workers have healthcare and benefits I don't have?!"  What the people who say this don't see or can't admit is this:  when a worker is employed in a large organization or in a large group (such as employees who work for government in this state at the State, County, or City/Village/Town level), because of the very SIZE of the group they're a part of, they have the ability to join together and bargain their wages, hours, and working conditions.  I'm getting to be of the attitude that if people in small organizations or groups want those things, then they should either unionize their work group OR go work for a place that has union(s) and the kinds of benefits they want.  It's a CHOICE people make when they pursue a job----go to where you can be part of a large group which uses its power to form unions OR choose to go to a smaller business that doesn't have unions but may provide other things that are important (like more freedom to do a variety of tasks) and accept that small businesses can't provide the healthcare or pension benefits of larger organizations.

      Republicans have been demonizing and denigrating teachers in Wi for YEARS.  Tommy Thompson who was the Governor here for 12 long years hated teachers and mocked and denigrated them constantly even though his own WIFE was a teacher in a small school in Elroy, WI.  He NEVER let up.  And like Karl Rover's Strategy of "Lie, Lie, and Keep Repeating the Lie", it worked.  We are a split state with people jealous of the benefits they see public employees have that they don't.  And Scott Walker played on that jealousy until now we practically have an open war going on between union and non-unionized workers.  DIVIDE AND CONQUER---and Walker played this to perfection.  I'm heartsick at this happening between people who should be supporting each other yet some are more vested in their anger and jealousy than in making sure that ALL workers in Wi get fair treatment.  IMO they're being both stupid and selfish.

      I'm about beside myself.  The Republicans created a monster here and one day, they're going to destroy this state and leave it a broken mess.  Yet we have people who live here who are too ignorant to understand that they are being played and have been for YEARS.  And while they're busy hating fellow working people just like them, they don't even realize that Walker is ripping them off in a hundred different ways.  I'm cynical these days to a degree a never thought possible.  My conclusion:  you can't fix stupid and until the state is on its knees and absolutely wrecked, there are too many people here who will never see until it's too late that they are nothing but tools for the Republican Party.

      We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

      by 3goldens on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:31:54 PM PDT

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      •  Thank you for explaining so much. (1+ / 0-)
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        From your perspective about what's happening, it has to be frustrating and disappointing.  

        You say: "... you can't fix stupid and until the state is on its keens..." Trouble is, these voters take down everyone else who gets what is going on, those who aren't "stupid." I understand the issues that non-union workers have with union workers, but that still doesn't explain that 36% of the union households voted for Walker.  Why in the world would they vote for the man who wants to destroy unions?  Voter dissonance, indeed!

        Well, I can only hope the voters wake up, and especially if Walker is indicted.  At this point I'm even wondering if that will come to fruition.  ;(

        I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

        by KayCeSF on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:38:51 PM PDT

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        •  About the likelihood of indictment-- (2+ / 0-)
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          I am so cynical right now that I will believe Walker gets indicted when I see it and not before.  I hope it happens---but there are no guarantees.

          One other quick comment re:  36% of union households voting for Walker---remember that the police and firefighter unions were exempted from Walker's ACT 10 which crippled public employee unions.  I know that within the WI State Patrol, which is under the leadership of the Fitzgerald brothers' dad (thanks to Walker putting him in that slot) that they're likely to be VERY Walker friendly and they're spread all over the state.  In addition, some of the trade unions (electricians, carpenters for example) are not always public union friendly.  They see white-collar union workers as not working as hard as they do and not deserving of the benefits they have.  It depends some times on geographical area and also upon individual members as to whether they're friendly towards other unions and the same holds true for police and fire unions.  The location and just the general make-up of a group can influence how friendly or not they'll be towards other unions.  

          Thanks a lot for your questions and your interest, KayCe.  

          We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

          by 3goldens on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:52:50 PM PDT

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          •  wow. I forgot about Walker's tie to (2+ / 0-)
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            the Fitzgerald brother's dad who runs the WI State Patrol!  Gawd it's tough to know the police are lead by that man.

            Well, you have explained a lot to me.  I'm in NM and have tried to stay up with all the ins and outs of this.  I fell short about the unions splitting.  So thanks!

            We keep our fingers crossed about the indictment.  Nothing surprises me though when it involves a Republican, so if he skinnies out of it, I won't be surprised.  I love Schuster, but I take his remarks with a grain of salt until something more tangible evidences that he will be indicted.  The anonymous he-said, she-said always bothers me.

            I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

            by KayCeSF on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:02:06 PM PDT

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      •  As ever, you have nailed it. Absolutely nailed it (1+ / 0-)
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        in so many ways.  We are of an age :-) and have both spent more than six decades here -- and have become so increasingly despairing of what once worked here.

        And I also trace so much of this to Tommy Thompson, the Boy from Elroy (aren't you also enjoying the dissing by the Tea Partiers now, the trend that he began but let get out of control?).   "Divide and conquer" is not new with these Repubs.  Tommy was just too smart to say it on video.

        However, I bet you remember his equivalent, when he was upstate:  "Stick it to Milwaukee!"  The age-old urban-rural divide had been bridged in many ways to be workable, but he tore it wide open again, and only to pump up his career.

        Ever since, we have been so disserved by a series of govs in it for themselves and not for the people of the state.  (And even Dem Doyle did some of this -- and he is more responsible than anyone for the backlash election of Walker in 2010, although ever adroitly, Doyle put the blame on Barrett.  And talk about abuse of public employees!  What Doyle did . . . well, another diary.)

        "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

        by Cream City on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:16:09 PM PDT

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        •  I hear you, Cream City. (1+ / 0-)
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          Thompson just about cracked me up during an interview he gave Ch. 3 in Madison on Tuesday night when he told the interviewer "Well, Scott (Walker) got off on kind of a rocky start . . . "  I lost the rest of it because of laughing so hard.  For Tommy, a/k/a/ Governor Stick it to Milwaukee, to refer to Walker as getting off to a "rocky start" just set me off.  The 12 years that guy was in office did one heck of a LOT of damage as well.  Walker is making him look like a lightweight by comparison, however.  

          Some day I hope we get the chance to meet and talk because I have never understood what went on during Doyle's admin.  I sense it was not good but hope some day I'll understand what happened.  It looked from the outside like there was one hell of a blow-up among some very key people.

          Thanks for your insights.  We are "of an age" --lol---but with age comes insights I know I sure didn't have 30 years ago.  :)

          We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

          by 3goldens on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:08:34 PM PDT

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  •  should we question the wisdom of recalls when (1+ / 0-)
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    enough Democrats did not believe that Walker should be recalled?

    •  You should question the mechanism by (2+ / 0-)
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      which people in Wisconsin were persuaded to vote against their own interests.

      The out-of-state money spent demonizing a candidate worked in defeating Russ Feingold, and it worked to defeat Barrett.

      I think that this is the game plan from here on.  The money flowing from Citizens United will tell us citizens who to vote for, who is evil and who is bad, and which recall election is legitimate or not.

    •  Given the success of past recalls, this loss is a (2+ / 0-)
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      big failure.

      I think the protests of last winter gave the recall leaders a sense of false confidence.

      Obama and national Dems saw it and shied away from this loss.  I think the Wisconsin Dems got caught up in the heat of the moment and overplayed their hand.

  •  Reality check (1+ / 0-)
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    "I wish I could tell you, in the midst of all of this, that President Obama was waging the kind of fight against these draconian Republican proposals that the American people would like to see. He is not." -- Senator Bernie Sanders

    by Sagebrush Bob on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 04:55:28 PM PDT

    •  I love Mike Malloy. (1+ / 0-)
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      I know some don't---but I find his willingness to just tell it as he sees it quite valuable.  

      We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

      by 3goldens on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:08:53 PM PDT

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    •  Related to the above (1+ / 0-)
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      lostinamerica

      The ratchet effect

      The American political system, since at least 1968, has been operating like a ratchet, and both parties -- Republicans and Democrats -- play crucial, mutually reinforcing roles in its operation.

      The electoral ratchet permits movement only in the rightward direction. The Republican role is fairly clear; the Republicans apply the torque that rotates the thing rightward.

      The Democrats' role is a little less obvious. The Democrats are the pawl. They don't resist the rightward movement -- they let it happen -- but whenever the rightward force slackens momentarily, for whatever reason, the Democrats click into place and keep the machine from rotating back to the left.

      Here's how it works. In every election year, the Democrats come and tell us that the country has moved to the right, and so the Democratic Party has to move right too in the name of realism and electability. Gotta keep these right-wing madmen out of the White House, no matter what it takes.

      (Actually, they don't say they're going to move to the right; they say they're going to move to the center. But of course it amounts to the same thing, if you're supposed to be left of center. It's the same direction of movement.)

      So now the Democrats have moved to the "center." But of course this has the effect of shifting the "center" farther to the right.

      Now, as a consequence, the Republicans suddenly don't seem so crazy anymore -- they're closer to the center, through no effort of their own, because the center has shifted closer to them. So they can move even further right, and still end up no farther from the "center" than they were four years ago.

      In fact, the Democrats' rightward shift not only enables the Republicans to move farther right themselves; it actually compels them to do so, if they want to maintain their identity as the angry-white-guy party par excellence. (A great part of the Republicans' hysterical hatred of Bill Clinton arose from this cause: with Democrats like Clinton, who needs Republicans?)

      "I wish I could tell you, in the midst of all of this, that President Obama was waging the kind of fight against these draconian Republican proposals that the American people would like to see. He is not." -- Senator Bernie Sanders

      by Sagebrush Bob on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:15:13 PM PDT

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  •  Election Fraud? (1+ / 0-)
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    Thom Hartmann had a very interesting post with some fairly solid info that the election results could well have been manipulated.  However, more substantiation is required.

    Certainly, the results were a lot different than the exit polling.  Calvin is not so sure Barrett lost.

  •  Wisconsin was a loss (2+ / 0-)
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    Wisconsin was important because it shows what is coming.  It needs to be a wake-up call to everyone and every rational-minded voting friend that if anyone thinks Romney doesn’t have a chance to win in November, then they are wrong.

    Money is going to fly out of dark places we’ve never seen before and uninformed tea-party voters are going to be scouring the country, media and Internet like leaderless dragoons looking for new recruits.

    Wisconsin is the evidence that we need to start gathering Everyone for the next battle, and the next, and the next until the tides starts to change.

  •  The Why (3+ / 0-)

    The reason unions have declined is at least in large part because we succombed to unmanaged trade. If you can threaten to move operations overseas, you can always defeat workers. Now that many of our manufacturing jobs have been lost (along with their economic power) The Bandits have turned to attacking service unions.

    Conversely, we need to organize around reversing unmanaged trade. The key to that is support for an international minimum wage and sensible uniform tariffs.

    Since workers were defeated in Wisconsin they should pivot to attacking free trade. The next battle should be national and it should be over trade.

    No product should be sold in the U.S. unless it is made to our workplace and environmental standards. This is a core principle of economic justice. Workers need to be informed and we need to organize to demand an end to unfair trade.

  •  we need more than "the past was better" (1+ / 0-)
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    The (centrist) Democrats and progressives don't have a coherent vision to sell the rest of the country - or at least the percentage of the rest of the country that aren't overwhelmed with frothing tribal hatred. Rebuild the labor movement around it's existing withering frame isn't a plan for how the country is going to operate in the 21st century. That fight has been lost slowly since Reagan.

    The world is flat, remember. Labor must be devalued to compete, so say the business people behind closed doors. The original US labor movement was born out of a fundamentally greater level of pain and starvation than exists in today's society.

    We need a vision / plan / more-than-talking-points about what would move the country forward and we need a mass of people ready to act. Boycotts are a good idea. But the non-union goods are so cheap.

    One thing is clear (and it sure isn't this post) - the public unions are about to be crushed. Obama speechifying about "green shoots of recovery" isn't going to save the pensions of the public employees around this country. It's not a marching slogan. Whatever we can do it will have to come from the ground up and work up through local to state to The House. Which is how the extremist right did it.

    If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

    by jgnyc on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:23:54 PM PDT

  •  My Scorecard, FWIW (4+ / 0-)
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    The Bad News:

    1) Walker won, as did most of the GOP troglodytes.
    2) The Big Money boys had amazing amounts of money in this, and they were not afraid to use it.
    3) Most of the media tried to play this as a fight over unions, instead of what it was - an attempt to reclaim democracy from the power of money.
    4) The model has been tested - now they'll try to use it everywhere.
    5) Politicians everywhere in both parties are going to have greater fear of the power of money.

    The Good News:

    1) Americans WILL get out and vote if they have a clear choice.
    2) The restoration of the State Senate to Democratic control means Walker and his owners no longer have a free pass.
    3) The seeds of outrage have grown into organization - now it has to be nurtured and used.
    4) Big Money won - but it was NOT a cheap walkover. That they had to spend so much shows how inherently unpopular their agenda is, and why they need 24/7 media propaganda to sell it.
    5) Centrism, bi-partisanship, and shared sacrifice is going to be a slightly harder sell now - though the usual suspects (here and here for example) will still be pushing it.
    6) The dangers of Citizens United are far more clear now.

    Feel free to reply with any additional points.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:26:23 PM PDT

  •  it wasn't a close race (1+ / 0-)
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    it was wipeout in electoral terms

    and lying about that isn't going to help

    There was a sharp turn to the Right last night, and the long-term implications are not good

  •  Unsurprisingly, I disagree that we "lost". (2+ / 0-)
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    Two things: One, we resisted. In big numbers. Loudly. In the streets. That's where the party's (the fun, non-affiliated kind) at. Popular struggle is the way to change when your opponent has overwhelming force. This is the more important point, but since there's been so much noise about the scoreboard, I'll address it here:

    Two: Quick, name the Republican pickup. Show me the seat the Democrats lost. Because it looks to me like the Republicans lost the Senate.

    -1 for the day, and counting the 2011 recall, that's 3 seats they lost.

    This is how the Republicans did it. There's been a lot of hand-wringing about how we need to emulate their no-holds-barred, all-in approach, using every ounce of strength for every single fight now matter how big or small the reward. Well, that's exactly what we did in Wisconsin.

    We got jack squat from the national level, and we did it anyway. In two recall elections, we took the fucking Senate away.

    Tell me again why that's a "loss".

    The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

    by lotusmaglite on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:01:23 PM PDT

  •  One thing I don't understand... (1+ / 0-)
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    On Diane Rehm this morning on NPR, she said that 38% of unionized workers voted for Walker, although I was in the shower so may have misheard the precise statistic; it may have been 38% of private Union workers.

    What the hell do we do about that?  That number blows my mind.  Is there a coherent answer to that?  Preferably one that doesn't use the words "corporatist," "Koch," or "1%," because that statistic, even if it refers only to non-public employee Unions, is alarming because we're losing our own constituency there.

    I don't feel like I have a good grasp of the next steps.  The lower that organized labor's share of the workforce gets, I feel like it gets even worse - people in the majority will look at union employees doing the same work and, rather than thinking, "My benefits are inadequate compared to him or her, my job security compared to that person is lacking, I should be making as much as that worker," they instead seem to think, "That person needs to be brought down to my level; they are earning too much, their benefits are too generous, if I'm not entitled to challenge unfair or inappropriate discipline or firings, nor should they."

    Is this a political problem or a cultural one?  I know that "right-to-work" laws are a massive hindrance to unionization, but in states where "right-to-work" laws are not yet on the books, I am coming to believe that we may need to do some work from within - develop labor by trying to increase the number of workers who are organized, convince those who are organized, that 38% that I heard this morning, that Unions are doing more than just existing as a line item on a paycheck.

    I don't know.  One day after an election is too soon to really understand what happened, a little more perspective will help.  But I no longer think that our problem is solely political - too many people have come to equate "union" with "lazy" or "mafia" and I don't know how we go about fixing that.

    This fight can't be fought again in Wisconsin, I don't think.  Public employee unions are already weaker there on account of the new laws - in 3 or 5 or 10 years, they will be even weaker, have far fewer dues-paying members, and will not be able to fight this fight again without outside resources.

    "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

    by auron renouille on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:05:51 PM PDT

    •  unions weren't the issue (2+ / 0-)
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      at least that is what an analyst on npr said this morning.  the democratic campaign didn't turn it into a referendum on unions, instead focusing on possible corruption of Walker's aides and dueling stats on job numbers.  

      If true (i have to take their word for it as i'm in NJ) this is a failure of strategy as much as anything else.  Unions need to run an aggressive campaigns in defense of unions - not "workers", "the middle class", "the american dream" or some other euphemism.  Unions are essential to workers rights, the middle class and the american dream.  Did any ad actually state this or make this case - if not, we deserved to lose.  (well, not deserved to, but should have expected to).

  •  why did all those union members vote for walker??? (1+ / 0-)
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    ????
    because they're part of the 20% of Americans that get their news from talk radio and even while they listened to the blowhards demean unions year after year there were plenty of other reasons for the ignorant and lazy to vote for walker , to be heard year after year, and all true because those they lied about and attacked never defended themselves.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and partisan lying by broadcasting sports on Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:08:09 PM PDT

    •  Standing in line yesterday, in Plover, WI (1+ / 0-)
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      a woman in front of me decided to share her unwelcome political opinions with me.

      She said, "All I know is that I paid $50 less in taxes this year."  So she was a Walker supporter.

      Then, she went on to describe how, in Michigan, she was part of a union.  She is not a union member now, and said, because of that, she will never do as well as her parents did.

      Then she ended her story by telling me how the union in Michigan had provided enough money for her to take her and her grand-kids on a trip to Disney World.

      After all of these life experiences, she was voting for Walker.  The incongruent thinking almost made my head explode.

  •  Not True (0+ / 0-)

    "That, in turn, eats into a company's profits, as all expenses do. For some companies, this is merely a nuisance, a potential hit to the stock price."

    Companies can always choose to raise prices to maintain their profit margins and hence the stock price.  These price increases are of course passed on to the consumer.  There really is no free lunch.

  •  The GOP is intent on breaking Unions, period. (0+ / 0-)

    The unions are the largest contributor of funds to liberal/Democratic causes and politics. The right has many PAC's and corporate donors-the left has Unions and individuals as their main source.
    By killing unions, the right serves two purposes;
    They gut those pesky "rights" and "laws" that workers have fought for over the last century and that corporate employers see as a threat to their once absolute power over workers and "unnecessary" expense.

    AND, they get to deprive those socialist leftist Democrats of the money we need to have any effect on political outcome in this country.

    So Unions are a target.

    mark

    retired AFSCME Steward

    Retired AFSCME Steward and licensed gun carrying progressive veteran.

    by old mark on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:06:35 AM PDT

  •  I share people's disappointment... (0+ / 0-)

    in Walker surviving the recall election (not by that much, but surviving nonetheless).  But now is not the time to slink away with our tails between our legs and start Googling one-way plane tickets to Canada!

    In fact this raises my hope that the GOP (encouraged by this recall victory) will pump up the Tea-bagger rhetoric so much that the independent swing voters will recoil and say in November, "I think I'll go with the calm black guy."

    But no matter what happens between now and November, now is not the time to go, "Wahhhhhh, I'm gonna take my ball and go home!"  Now is the time to work for our chosen candidates, give our time (if we can't give money) and see what we can do to beat back the Citizens United decision and shut off the spigot of dirty campaign money (or at least require that they at least identify themselves, "We're the Koch Brothers and our money paid for this ad."

    Will we succeed?  We may or we may not, but we can't just sit around whining.  As Jim Hightower would say, "Quit your bellyaching, suck it up, and either keep fighting or get out of the way!"

    First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they attack you, then you win. - Mohandas Ghandi

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