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Mitt Romney's real education goal is described by the New York Times' Trip Gabriel as "overhauling the federal government’s largest programs for kindergarten through 12th grade into a voucherlike system." Yet on his website's education page and in his recent speech describing his education plans, Romney never used the word "voucher."

Romney's pro-voucher position is so extreme that Margaret Spellings, a Secretary of Education under George W. Bush, has stepped back from his campaign:

"I have long supported and defended and believe in a muscular federal role on school accountability," Ms. Spellings said. "Vouchers and choice as the drivers of accountability — obviously that’s untried and untested."
Untried and untested at improving schools, maybe, but that's not what vouchers are about. This is an effort to privatize public education, not to improve it. In 1955, Milton Friedman wrote that "Vouchers are not an end in themselves; they are a means to make a transition from a government to a free-market system." In 1997, the president of the Heartland Institute said that "Like most other conservatives and libertarians, we see vouchers as a major step toward the complete privatization of schooling." These aren't fringe voices in the voucher movement; they are what Mitt Romney is moving toward, forcefully in his policy if euphemistically in his language. He has to be euphemistic because when he actually says directly what he means, such as that we should have fewer teachers, firefighters, and police officers, it tends not to go over so well.

Diane Ravitch sums up the American education system Romney is proposing:

In the vision presented by Mitt Romney, public dollars would flow to schools that teach creationism. Anyone could teach, without passing any test of their knowledge and skills and without any professional preparation. Teachers could be fired for any reason, without any protection of their freedom to teach. In some states and regions, teachers will be fearful of teaching evolution or global warming or any controversial issues. Nor will they dare to teach books considered offensive to anyone in their community, like Huckleberry Finn.
To Romney, every single one of those things is a feature, not a bug, of the "choice" he would introduce to education.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:04 AM PDT.

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  •  Romney's war on teachers and (23+ / 0-)

    public education.

    I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

    by TomP on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:08:17 AM PDT

  •  Mitt Romney is totally out of touch. (6+ / 0-)

    Out of touch and strangely, resonating with the very people he so clearly despises.

    Santorum: Man on Dog; Romney: Dog on Car. Ren and Stimpy: Dog on Cat

    by commonmass on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:12:45 AM PDT

  •  Privatization! Good for what ails you (11+ / 0-)

    We've already had a lot of privatization in both prisons and the military. Maybe we can privatize our police forces next.

    It's shocking to see such wealthy and comfortable country dismantling itself for no good reason.

    The future looks increasingly dark to me.

    "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

    by Demi Moaned on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:17:31 AM PDT

    •  The "good reason" is more money for the top 1% (6+ / 0-)

      They can afford private security, including private firefighting services, and private schools for their children.  They literally do not want to pay for anyone else and seemingly do not care what happens to them.  The idea that "no man is an island" has completely disappeared from public discourse.  They are all looking to the  future when climate change and financial problems devastate most of the population and are just making sure they can survive in style.  That so many will apparently go along with is is pretty discouraging.

      The scientific uncertainty doesn't mean that climate change isn't actually happening.

      by Mimikatz on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:13:25 AM PDT

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      •  It's an inadequate explanation (0+ / 0-)

        All these policies drive down the prosperity of our society as a whole. I can't see how they are personally better off if civil society completely disintegrates, even if they can afford 'private security, including private firefighting services, and private schools for their children'

        "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

        by Demi Moaned on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:15:44 AM PDT

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  •  profit first; drone training if we have the money (12+ / 0-)

    Romney's whole reason for getting up in the morning is to move money from one pile to another, and preferably to his own pile.  Schools are just another pile of money to him; their stated purpose is irrelevant next to the potential for profit.  It doesn't help that plutocrats like him want a country of dumbasses, so if his policies mean more money for glorified Bible camps and Burger Flip University, so much the better.

    To those who say the New Deal didn't work: WWII was also government spending

    by Visceral on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:17:36 AM PDT

  •  On the other side.. (10+ / 0-)

    an Excerpt:
    " Although he is a Democrat, he has been absent when public education and public school educators were under siege. When Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker decided to eliminate collective bargaining rights for teachers and other public sector workers, Duncan was silent. When Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels pushed through a voucher bill that provides public funding for students to attend private and religious schools, Duncan was silent. When Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal endorsed sweeping voucher and charter legislation, Duncan was silent (indeed, he described Governor Jindal’s choice for state commissioner to promote his extremely conservative education agenda as “a visionary leader”). When other governors proposed legislation to remove due process rights from teachers, to slash education spending, and to expand the privatization of public schools, Duncan was silent. Grade: F.

    •  Yes, of course — and so what? (10+ / 0-)

      I disagree with Obama on education more than anything. I also know that with a President Rmoney, education would be dismantled at a speed that would make us long for the return of Arne Duncan. I simply can't sit around and whine because I dislike where Obama is on education. I'm HORRIFIED by where Rmoney is.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07.

      by anastasia p on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:48:21 AM PDT

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      •  There is not a heck of lot of difference between (2+ / 0-)
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        this administartion public education policy plans and theirs. I would suggest that neither should be adopted.

        •  not once (8+ / 0-)

          has Obama suggested doing away with the Department of Education or cutting federal subsidies.  He may have totally screwed up jumping on the accountability and charter school within the public system boat, but at his worst he is still not Rmoney.

        •  Bullshite. Just bullshite. (4+ / 0-)
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          To pt out the most obvious difference: BO is not trying to privatize it.  rMoney=no public ed system ultimately. BO not.
          Another is rMoney not only accepts but approves of larger class size, at best completely oblivious to all research showing this is probably most critical factor for learning.

          The total differences are too many to ennumerate.  

          I suspect you confuse support for standards and charter schools with rMoney's Deathstar for Public Ed.  BO is responding to voter's desires for successful results in public ed. in an age when we won't spend the $ to keep the schoolbuilding from falling down, let alone not fire teachers.  Education is primarily a state concern.  Thugs won't give him a dime to stop states from strangling it as they try to survive the Bush Depression.

          BTW, I used to teach.  The system has sucked since before Reagan.  IMO it is primarily a fault of 1) prperty tax fianacing (see, Prop 13 and track decline of schools from same) and 2) parents who don't want their kids taught how to think critically b/c they don't want to deal with 'icky' questions or 'backtalking' kids.  Not all parents are like that, thank god, but as Thugs have re-proved these last 3+ years, it only takes an obstinate minority to screw everything up.

          •  For-Profit Charter Threatens Progress in Lowell (0+ / 0-)


            "in Lowell, state education officials, gave the green light to a for-profit charter school in that city. The eventual 1200 seat school will divert millions of public funding from the same schools that Patrick and others so recently praised.

            Paul Georges, president of the United Teachers of Lowell has joined Superintendent Jean Franco of the Lowell Public Schools, in opposing the creation of a third charter school in Lowell, arguing that it jeopardizes the tremendous gains made in the city’s public schools. “We produced amazing results at our two turnaround schools and our reward is a charter school that’s being run for profit? You explain to me the logic in that,” says Georges, who teaches English as a Second Language at Lowell High School.

            The education reform bill passed in 2010 doubled the amount of funding that can be diverted from public schools to charter schools in districts with low academic performance. In Lowell, the public schools could lose as much as $24 million in the coming years, undermining the progress they’ve made, says Georges.

            “This raises an obvious question: is the state’s policy to help strengthen public schools or is it to expand the number of charter schools, whatever the cost?” asks Georges. "

            •  More... (0+ / 0-)

              "For profit education™
              Massachusetts is no stranger to charter schools. If, as expected, the Board of Education votes to approve the proposed Lowell school, along with three others in Holyoke, Springfield, and Boston, the number of charter schools in Massachusetts will reach 83. The Collegiate Charter School of Lowell will be one of just a handful of schools in the state, however, that is operated for a profit. The school will be run by SABIS Educational Systems, Inc., a private, for-profit company with headquarters in Minnesota and Beirut, Lebanon. SABIS runs schools in 15 countries and manages 11 charter schools in the U.S., including schools in Holyoke and Springfield. The company is part of a rapidly expanding network of so-called education management organizations or EMOs, for-profit entities created to tap into the country’s $500 billion public education system. These “corporate” or “franchise” schools compete with traditional public schools for increasingly scarce resources.

              Today, one-third of the charter schools in the U.S. are operated by for-profit entities, a proportion that is growing rapidly each year. In states including Michigan, nearly eight out of ten charter schools are operated by private for-profit companies. "

            •  That would be a _state_ law the article talks abou (0+ / 0-)

              t no?

              •  This would be a democratic governor, orginally (0+ / 0-)

                from Chicago, and his cabinet, who are very a married to to Race To The Top and all it entails.
                 So while we have a kinder gentler implementation it looks like they are systematically killing collective bargaining and other job protections for teachers in Massachusetts. They also appear to be lifting any restrictions on Charter school both public and for profit. Implementing something that did not work in Chicago in Massachusetts that has a far superior public education system.

                •  But u started out blaming BO. Now just a 'D' gov? (0+ / 0-)

                  Srsly, did you even read my first comment?  The drivers in ed policy are state govs.  Not POTUS or DOE.  The problems with educaton are financial (prop tax base) and parental.  Focusing on POTUS on this is like blaming Midas for the wheels falling off if the law said they could only work on mufflers.

                  Doesn't mean I like RtoT.  But right now the real battle in ed is not b/t public ed and profit-ed, b/c often the only organized political group is fighting for public ed at the state and local level is teachers unions, which Thugs are making walk the plank for Thug failures.  That often leaves the battle at the state and local political level to the mercies of pols who in turn respond to misinformed (and propagandized) voters beliefs that they can get a free lunch here.  That means no one is willing to do what is needed to fix public ed - i.e., lotsa $ - and when BO even tries to fix buildings that are literally making students sick (which would add amillion jobs btw) Thugs with thier corporate and media cornies convince the voters its a boondoggle.  

                  And meanwhile the Bush Depression and Thug sabotague continue to bleed states and education dry.

                  The result is the only 'politically viable solutions' are those the promise to 'fix' things without spending more $.  Which means the 'miracle of private enterprise' ('cause its a miracle if it doesn't f--- you).

                  Then add that far too many parents seem not to want anything more from schools but babysitting and the 'three Rs' - and then only if they teach their personal Jesus-rode-a-dino fantasies - and the scope of the silly in saying BO is just like rMoney on this.

                  rMoney after all thinks all the bad stuff is just fine and public ed should just get on with dying so he and his buds can have all that money and all but New Aristocracy's kids only get the least amount of training required to obey, and not lick of real education.

      •  So villianizing the other side while blindly (0+ / 0-)

        defending our guy despite the fact that their policy ideas in this space are wash will get you what you deserve.

    •  Yes indeed, in this case just who (8+ / 0-)

      comprises the coveted "lesser of two evils" mantle?

      A prominent historian, policy-maker, and public intellectual, Ravitch long aligned herself with conservative school critics but has had a change of heart. The Death and Life of the Great American School System is part memoir, explaining her shifting position on market solutions to educational problems, and part jeremiad, warning readers about the ill effects of “No Child Left Behind” (2002), landmark federal legislation endorsed by Kennedy liberals and George W. Bush Republicans alike. With the appointment of Arne Duncan as the Secretary of Education, the Obama Administration has swallowed whole the prevailing ideology about the salutary influence of markets and choice, originally concocted by libertarians, neoconservatives, and Republicans.
      That's from Science Science (the magazine)
  •  Interesting concept. Education as a way (5+ / 0-)

    to teach ignorance. Wow!    

    My head hurts.

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:02:28 AM PDT

    •  They want mindless peons (3+ / 0-)
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      who will work in sweatshops for -sub-minimum wage and be happy about it.
      Then they'll just have a bunch of useful idiots whom they can exploit for whatever they need, and the idiots won't see anything wrong with that.

      Yes, it makes my head hurt too.

      Everybody got to elevate from the norm....

      by Icicle68 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:28:19 AM PDT

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      •  What they want is for corporations (3+ / 0-)
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        to pay to teach children what they need to know to work in those corporations.  Art, history, civics, literature, economics, geography, sex ed - unnecessary.  On the other hand, "shop" stands to make an extraordinary comeback.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:01:06 AM PDT

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  •  Actually I think vouchers are (9+ / 0-)

    an end in themselves, in the sense that the purpose is perpetual funneling of public funds into private schools. In a true free-market system, only the affluent would be guaranteed education, the working class and poor would be dependent on charity and there would be far less education overall and a much smaller market for the private school industry. No, they want a steady diet of public funds, not a free market where they'd actually have to compete and risk failure.

    "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

    by Alice in Florida on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:07:32 AM PDT

    •  bingo. These vultures realize that if they (5+ / 0-)

      strip all public sector employees of their funding and their rights, they can then make them "reapply" for private, unregulated jobs for far less wages and benefits. They want to be able to pay workers slave labor wages again--while a steady flow of taxpayer dollars come their way.

      I've heard that 450,000 public school teachers have been laid off in just the past few years. They are moving to privatize the entire Philadelphia public school system, no less.  They are doing it through Emergency Financial Managers in Michigan.  It's like a giant Pac-Man game, but not as friendly.

      It's the oligarchs movin' on up in the food chain to destroy the middle class and the economic stability of the countries that have it, and they're not even trying to hide it any more.


      If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

      by livjack on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:21:28 AM PDT

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  •  If Margaret Spellings has "stepped away" from (5+ / 0-)

    it, it must be even more extreme than I'd expect out of these corporatists.  

    I have to agree with CentralMass about Obama and Duncan.  They are either misguided, or it's intentional.  I haven't figured out which yet.

    If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

    by livjack on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:07:48 AM PDT

  •  W. Mitt Romney: "No Child Left With Mind." (8+ / 0-)

    "Activate... the Omega 13."

    by here4tehbeer on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:11:21 AM PDT

  •  Part of the long, hard road to making (4+ / 0-)
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    America the stupidest nation on Earth. It will not be easy, but I am confident that Romney can get us there.

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:14:32 AM PDT

  •  Lessons loined from Paul Ryan Kill Medicare Plan (1+ / 0-)
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    The V word is to be Avoided

    Doctor Mitt Romney Brain Sturgeon-The Operation was a success but the patient died, where's my fee?

    by JML9999 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:15:44 AM PDT

  •  How he tamed the Paulines? (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm wondering now whether or not Mitt has gone full nut Libertarian.

    This is new, and it may even be the "deal" people speculated he made with Ron Paul. It's an odd thing for him to go full on Libertarian. No doubt "abolish the Department of Education" has been a thing every Republican presidential candidate has said since Reagan.
    1. Carter created it. (Boo! Hiss! "History's greatest monster.")
    2. "Local control!" (I.e. segrgation naw segergation ferver)
    3. "Why can't my scion go to Brushy Lip School for Like Minds?"
    Still, the whole libertarian thing is new, and a loser.

    Every reductio ad absurdum will seem like a good idea to some fool or another.

    by The Geogre on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:19:00 AM PDT

  •  GOP Declares End Of Social Mobility (9+ / 0-)

    The Romney campaign has concluded that the lessom from Wisconsin is that Americans have a deep seated hatred of public education.

    Without a strong public education system, there will be little social mobility in America. There will be the small hereditary ruling class (Romneys, Cheneys, Bushes, and  the billionaires who fund them)  and the rest of us will be sharecroppers.  Get laid off and your kids will have to switch schools or maybe they'll drop out.  

    Also last month Romney also said "class size is not important," but he sent his kids to a private academy that advertises a class size of 12.

    The other goal is to reduce teachers to temps employed by temp agencies (run by Republican "reformers"), and they will be the ones siphoning off your tax money.   Good luck to the kid who has to learn calculus when it's taught by four different substitutes over the school year.

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:19:40 AM PDT

  •  Gated communities for the wealthy whites. . . (5+ / 0-)

    Everyone else outside (and they can go to Hell).

    The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.

    by Pacifist on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:23:01 AM PDT

  •  I want my tax dollars to stay with my government. (7+ / 0-)

    I'm tired of funding private industry so it can fail at a job we've already figured out collectively, then having to go clean up their messes.

    Please Vote for the Democratic nominee for President in 2012.

    by mungley on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:23:30 AM PDT

  •  voucher/coupon (5+ / 0-)

    Let's take a page from the Frank Luntz play book of neocon language manipulation: instead of "vouchers", whether in reference to education or health insurance, refer to them as "coupons"-- as in The Republicans want to give Granny a coupon to shop for medical insurance.  

    •  Exactly what I've been them (1+ / 0-)
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      coupons. "coupons" sounds much scarier and mean.
      -Do we really have people on our side who also test out words/phrases for impact?
      -I guess not. We are always of that "loser" mindset that everyone is reasonable, that "loser" mindset that politics is a consensus building process, of that "loser" mindset that everyone does honorable things.
      -But 2008 till today has taught us otherwise. If the left continues to see politics as a lets-all-hold-hand-and-sing-kumbaya process, they'd wake up one day to find a taliban-america.
      -We are too docile, too ready to retreat, too eager to embrace, not militant enough, too eager to apologize for what we believe. This is a losing posture of America politics today. If we haven't learnt since 2008, if 2010 hasn't taught us anything, if ALEC hasn't taught us anything, if voter suppression has taught us anything, then we are as dumb as they come...and they would have a right to label us whimps.
      -Tell you what?. Watch what the Senate would do should the GOP win. They would on the first order of business ban the filibuster/60-vote rule. Remember each Senate-season votes it's own rules and that first vote requires only 51 votes.
      -Why would they do this? They are not stupid. They are anticipating a payback, afraid dems would pay them back in kind, seeing what they have done to Obama.
      -And with the Senate now requiring only 51 votes for legislation to pass, we are on our way to enshrining talibanisque-capitalism in the constitution.

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

      by tuma on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:35:59 AM PDT

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    •  No, not "coupons." (0+ / 0-)

      Let's flat out call them what they ARE: education welfare checks.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07.

      by anastasia p on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 11:54:05 AM PDT

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  •  He's just not into you (3+ / 0-)
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    Or your kids.

    The Romney prince-lings will greceive a stellar privatized education.

    Therefor private education is wonderful. Or as Willard might phrase it - "just the cat's meow."

    Sauce for the goose, and all..

    ..and we sang dirges in the dark the day - Do you recall what was the feel, the day, the music died -- Don McLean

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:24:38 AM PDT

  •  Privatize education so that the consumers (1+ / 0-)
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    children, can get out of it every penny they put into it.  Oh, you mean children don't pay for it, their parents do?  And so, when a parent doesn't have the money, or chooses to spend it somewhere else, the child gets what, screwed?

    Occupy the voting Booth!

    by anonevent on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:25:57 AM PDT

  •  Willard's Pivot will blow your minds...stock up (0+ / 0-)

    popcorn and buffalo wings.

  •  G.I. Bill (1+ / 0-)
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    Can't veterans use "vouchers" to go to pretty much any college they want?

    They don't have to go to state schools.

    This has been going on since the end of WWII and lots of veterans have gone to private schools.

    Shouldn't the US be a fascist dictatorship by now?

    •  Just a matter of time before Mittens call the Vets (0+ / 0-)

      Lazy and Shiftless Bottomfeeders....He'll walk it back of course.

    •  colleges (4+ / 0-)
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      have never been included in totality in the universal public schooling of primary/seconday students with mandatory attendance.  There are publicly supported universities aimed at making education at the post secondary level affordable, those schools are under attack as well.  

      Nevertheless, there are problems with the vouchers as many veterans are being ripped off in the private schooling system.   It would be better to have some more regulation, reforms have been suggested, some that could be done at the rule level have passed.

    •  If u don't see the difference b/t k-12 and post- (1+ / 0-)
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      secondary ed, your already a lost cause.

      You might as well say that the explosion of human population 'proves' the eco-system is just fine.  Not only not apples to apples, not even apples to asteroids.

      •  It should be worse (0+ / 0-)

        In high school, you have to study math, reading, science, history, etc.

        Technically, I suppose; you could take your GI Bill money and take 15 credits a semester studying Franco, Hitler, Glen Beck and the Rushlester.  With none of those annoying critical thinking classes.

  •  Mitt Romney want to radically restructure our (5+ / 0-)


    He is an extremist that would privatize first responders and education.

    He is a dangerous radical that must be stopped.

    Ceterum censeo Factionem Republicanam esse delendam.

    by journeyman on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:30:35 AM PDT

  •  Formidable, mes amis (0+ / 0-)

    Can't Canadians, double-especially les Québecois, send their kids to parochial schools at government expense?

    Canada is a fascist country, right?

  •  This proves that our children are not valued ! (0+ / 0-)

    Unless they come from the wealthy families that Mitt only cares about.
    Education , Healthcare , Social Security , Medicare and Medicaid - all for sale at auction when Mitt becomes president.

  •  he just wants everyone to go to Cranbrook (4+ / 0-)

    because it was a superior school for forcibly obtaining compliance with his opinions.

    Out to destroy universal public education.   A cornerstone of an educated populace, necessary to a democracy.

    You know what the plaque at the front of my public high school,  just down the road from Cranbrook in Bloomfield Hills, read?

    "Education makes a people easy to lead, but difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave."
    - Bradley, Omar Nelson
    Even folks in Romney's old neighborhood used to understand democracy.  Today I can't vouch for any of them.
    •  When I was working in Va Beach... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...I sat in on a meeting with our EA President and some parents of the pricey prep schools in our area. They told us they were against vouchers because they didn't want "start up" schools popping up pretending to be the high value institutions that the schools their children (and in most cases they and their parents) attended and had become only after decades of proven results (and pretty severe selection processes).

      Most of these academies obviously were created as a reaction to Public School Desegregation in the 60s. All have since become less "diversity challenged" with the passing of time for self-serving reasons (wanting to showcase some measure of diversity to emulate the ultra-Elite Boarding Schools, an "arms race" of sorts with regard to interscholastic sports, etc.), so race - while still a lingering factor - seemed to be less of a motivating factor for their finding common cause in opposing vouchers than wanting to maintain what they saw as "institutional value and legacy."

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:25:03 AM PDT

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  •  He's a cyborg spy from the future! (0+ / 0-)

    he's gotta be working for our side, it's the only way to explain the ideas coming from his mouth.

  •  One more step on road to 3rd world status. When... (3+ / 0-)
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    eager students in Korea and India are learning physics, biology and chemistry, Romney's future students will be studying 'creation science' and biblical studies. Just like their fundie counterparts in Saudi Arabia, where the most common college degree is in Islamic studies. In Mitt's paradise, U.S. students will join the other religious fundamentalist bottom feeders, while the future goes to the reality-based students elsewhere.

  •  cross-subsidy for "faith-based" education (1+ / 0-)
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    vouchers violate church-state separation, what?

    slutty voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare." 政治委员, 政委!

    by annieli on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:51:24 AM PDT

  •  Free public education is the school of democracy (2+ / 0-)
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    Romney and his ilk on the other hand want schools of demagogy.  They want schools that teach just enough reading so the citizens can read the Bible and the Book Of Mormon, enough writing to sign over their lives to crooked businessmen, and enough arithmetic to figure out how much to tithe to the Church.   If this is the kind of tyranny the voters want then they should vote GOP.

  •  We had privatized ed before public, which is why w (2+ / 0-)
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    e have public ed.  B/c private fails everyone but the most wealthy.

  •  Okay, maybe I am a little dense. What (2+ / 0-)
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    I don't understand is who is going to pay for all these "free-market" schools if vouchers are used.  Don't vouchers come from the government, i.e. the taxpayers?  Wouldn't tax payers be subsidizing these "private" schools.

    "Free markets" make a good sound bite because everyone likes things that are free.  However, there is another sound bite which comes to mind which is more honest:  "There's no such thing as a free lunch." In other words, someone, somewhere has to foot the bill.

    As Chief Justice John Marshall observed almost two centuries ago, "we must never forget it is a Constitution we are expounding...intended to endure for ages to come, and consequently to be adapted to the various crises of human affairs.

    by LynChi on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:56:34 AM PDT

  •  Lamentable (1+ / 0-)
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    But is it really a conspiracy to destroy education?  Or just a bunch of profit-crazed corporate types who are typically short-sighted where anything but profit is concerned, looking to milk every penny out of the education system, not thinking where such an practice will inevitably lead?  

    There is plenty of precedent for this kind of mindless profiteering in the fossil fuel industry.  As a nation, we have a terrible time with long-term thinking, and that seems particularly true of people with dollar-signs dancing before their eyes.  The destruction of the public education system is just a corollary "benefit."

  •  Dumb, dumber, dumbest (0+ / 0-)

    Knowing stuff has become something for which to be ashamed. I have to be careful and not use big words when I'm out in public, lest I am identified as a a know-it-all smarty pants. Knowledge has been replaced by dogma and doctrine.

    Lordy, I wish the aliens would land tomorrow. I'd love to see the faces of the Godstapo when E.T. says, "Hello."

  •  There would be no good teachers (0+ / 0-)

    at the crap schools because no sane person would want to be a teacher.  

    The 'elite' private schools would provide an education similar to what they provide now.  

    The 'christian' private schools would be worthless propaganda mills.

    There would probably underground schools of some sort that attempt to provide a decent education to the non-rich who still care about education.  

    Sounds too much like the Republic of Gilead to me.

  •  No more teacher certification (1+ / 0-)
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    Diane Ravitch also notes that Romney opposes what he calls "unnecessary" teacher certification. This is key to the voucher scheme and will allow anybody witha few bucks to set up a school, make themselves principal, and hire and fire anybodythey want to say is a  teacher. Romney naturally assumes only good Christians and LDS'ers will take advantage but clearly anybody and everybody can set up a school - Muslims, Jews, Neo-Nazis. We can expect a madrassa-level educational system on a par with Pakistan's - and an economy to match.

    But that doesn't worry people like Romney and his billionaire pals because their wealth is international and profits can be made anywhere. If the US becomes another nation of shantytowns and low wages, it is of no consequence.

    If my soldiers were to begin to think, not one would remain in the ranks. -Frederick the Great

    by Valatius on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 11:04:52 AM PDT

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