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WaPo:

President Obama has just opened a floodgate of opportunity for young illegal immigrants in the United States, but could it squeeze the aspirations of legal Americans in the process?

Across the nation Friday, immigrant advocates and Hispanic youth groups hailed Obama’s decision to offer legal status to some undocumented immigrants under 30 as a watershed in U.S. immigration history and a long-sought victory for ambitious youths denied a chance to realize the American dream.

NY Times:
The immigration policy change that President Obama announced on Friday signaled to Hispanic voters that he is on their side and placed Mitt Romney in a tough spot.
The Fix:
Just hours after word leaked out that the Obama administration would stop deporting young illegal immigrants who were brought to the United States by their parents, the issue is already causing headaches for the Republican Party.

The party, which has previously split over its own president’s efforts on illegal immigration reform, is similarly stuck when it comes to Obama’s decision.

And at a time when party unity is paramount, the move is exposing fissures.

The Fix, again:
First it was his administration’s decision to force religious institutions to provide birth control to their employees; then it was the president coming out (so to speak) in support of gay marriage; and now it’s the administration’s announcement that it will cease deporting young illegal immigrants who were brought to this country by their parents.

To the skeptic, all three decisions will seem politically motivated. But as with the first two, it’s not exactly clear just who the illegal immigration decision will wind up benefitting.

About the only thing that’s clear is that a can of worms has been opened.

One thing is abundantly clear: The decision certainly puts Mitt Romney and the Republican Party in a tough spot when it comes to wooing the Latino vote.

Gary Hart:
The principal theory of those of my generation who believed every bit as strongly in the social contract and care for the needy as the most ardent New Dealer was that the economic pie must continue to grow to generate the revenues required to finance that contract. To argue that taxes on the working middle class must continue even as incomes contracted is to virtually guarantee a revival of conservatism and anti-government sentiments of the kind that now characterize our politics.

The Democratic Party has not only been the party of hope, the party of compassion and inclusiveness, it has also been the party of innovation. By failing to innovate some 30 years ago, it has permitted itself to lapse into the defensive, if not also reactionary, posture that now plagues it. A well-motivated Democratic president now struggles to move the nation forward against a conservative tide that emerged in the policy vacuum created by Democratic failure to adapt and in a political climate where many people, especially young people, do not know the basic principles of the current Democratic Party or what it stands for.

Maureen Gill:
The Know-Nothing movement of the mid-1800s would be very much at home in modern America. Know-Nothings were native-born, white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant males – women could not yet vote; the movement was a xenophobic, anti-immigrant response to massive waves of Irish and German immigrants flooding America between 1830-60, most especially Irish Catholics; however, Know-Nothings also railed against Jews, and in California, they targeted Asians, primarily the Chinese.

The movement’s name was the result of its semi-secret organization; when asked about the movement’s activities, members were instructed to reply “I know nothing.” The Know-Nothing platform called for: Severe limits on immigration, especially from Catholic countries; restricting political office to native-born Americans of English and/or Scottish lineage and Protestant persuasion; mandating a wait of 21 years before an immigrant could gain citizenship; restricting public school teacher positions to Protestants; mandating daily Bible readings in public schools; restricting the sale of liquor; restricting the use of languages other than English.

Hart + Gill = tea party.

Greg Sargent:

Again, a decision against the health law — which seems very possible, or even likely — would be terrible for Dems. But the provision barring discrimination against those with preexisting conditions is very popular. And if it becomes clear that the GOP sees no obligation to replace that provision, it could clarify the choice this fall in new ways and play unpredictably during the campaign.
Sam Stein:
A political candidate being dramatically outspent by his opponent has few options. He can pin his hopes on a strong debate performance, dig up dirt on the opposition, or cut a particularly buzz-worthy television ad.

Or he can do what other industries, led by Major League Baseball, have done before: worship at the altar of Bill James.

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  •  A couple questions. (8+ / 0-)

    1. I saw in a few places the estimate the President's announcement would affect is 800,000. Where is this figure from and how would we have figures on people we don't know were here?

    2. How does someone who has no papers have the ability to get anything from the federal government, such as, schooling, driver's license, etc., when most need a SSN to get?

  •  The Know-Nothings prove (19+ / 0-)

    That in a couple hundred years, American politics has not progressed all that much.

    16 years old, proud progressive, Phillies phan.

    by vidanto on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:26:10 AM PDT

  •  Post oped brings up a point (12+ / 0-)

    I've heard discussed before among second, third, fourth (10th in the case of a Northern New Mexican acquaintance) generation Americans:

    Not every Latino/Latina is an advocate of immigration reform. Many are just as adamant about fences and deportations as the whitest cracker in the box.

    Still, a net political plus, imo, and based in both realism and compassion.

    Fair's fair. I don't vote in your church; don't go preaching in my government New video: "The Pig"

    by Crashing Vor on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:35:09 AM PDT

  •  "They'll take yer job!" (15+ / 0-)

    Funny, that.
    One of the chief first responses of the GOP over the announcement yesterday (besides unintelligible caterwauling) was the strange accusation that this move will cost "Americans" jobs.
    Two things;
    1. Unless all these young people are sitting on the couch all day every day, quite a few of them already have jobs. The idea that undocumented persons cannot procure employment is completely at odds with the central idea of the xenophobes; that "illegals" are "taking yer jobs" anyway.
    So how would legal status change that?
    2. The only way any of the above can make even rudimentary sense is if you substitute "Anglo" or the more generic "white" for "Americans" in the charges the GOP'ers are bringing.
    Which puts us right back in the racist arena, the place these same assholes swear up and down is NOT their preferred field.

    so, any time you hear that canard, please understand and challenge the barely concealed racism it espouses.
    There is no economic argument against what Obama did yesterday. None. This shrieking is all racism, every bit of it.

    Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

    by kamarvt on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:37:21 AM PDT

  •  What the WaPo said: (9+ / 0-)
    President Obama has just opened a floodgate of opportunity for young illegal immigrants in the United States
    What most readers will read:
    President Obama has just opened the floodgate to young illegal immigrants entering the United States

    "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

    by kyril on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:42:17 AM PDT

  •  What a great piece this is by Maureen Gill... (9+ / 0-)

    ...about the Know-Nothings:

    In 1855, a Know-Nothing mob torched Catholic homes in Louisville, Ky., and murdered 100 Catholics when they fled their burning homes. Know-Nothings burned convents and churches in Baltimore, Boston, New York and Philadelphia. In Boston, New York, Paterson, Philadelphia and Louisville, Irish neighborhoods were attacked by mobs; in Maine, a priest was tarred and feathered. Know-Nothings who gained control of state Legislatures passed laws against Catholics, including particularly offensive “nunnery inspection” laws allowing civic officials to invade the privacy of convents at awkward hours. Catholic schoolchildren were barred in many school districts or forced to read the Protestant Bible in the schools they were allowed to attend. This point compels me to say once again that Catholic bishops who allege the Obama Administration is warring on religious freedom are either lying or just plain bats.

    DEGLOBALIZE THE AMERICAN ECONOMY!

    by Jimdotz on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:48:23 AM PDT

  •  Mitt to staff: Are we losing the landscaper vote? (12+ / 0-)

    "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

    by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:49:39 AM PDT

  •  Hart makes a good point. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

    by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:52:07 AM PDT

    •  Except for expanding the economic pie (0+ / 0-)

      We cannot have continued population growth coupled to increased per capita consumption forever out into the future.  There are limits to growth.  When we hit them is the only question, not whether we will.

      Conservation and sustainability are gone from the public conversation, and I have little hope they will ever be seriously discussed.  But denial will not solve our long term environmental dilemma of finite resources and increasing consumption.  Running out of things will, including potable water and clean air.

      •  Conservation and Sustainability.... (0+ / 0-)

        ....are startup industries.

        I think they WILL make the pie bigger.

        "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

        by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 10:31:48 AM PDT

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        •  My friends in the sustainable business schools (0+ / 0-)

          such as Presidio School of Management in SF are all over this. The elevator pitch is that profit is a small fraction of revenue, but 100% of the money saved by conservation flows straight to the bottom line.

          None of us could believe when Walmart started greening its supply chain, but it's true.

          As to pie, I work with One Laptop Per Child, which has whole countries working on renewable electricity for even the poorest and most remote villages. First comes a round of opportunities in supplying computers for education, together with the Internet access and electricity that they require. Then comes a round of children with skills, eventually with 12 years of computer experience when they get out of high school, getting and creating jobs. Then comes building whole economies, and adding tens of trillions of dollars annually to the global economy.

          Busting the Dog Whistle code.

          by Mokurai on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:06:51 PM PDT

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    •  No he doesn't (0+ / 0-)

      He is simply using an old GOP talking point to frame his criticism: Democrats are the party of taxation.

      He doesn't talk about how Democrats politicians like Hart didn't do anything about the crippling effects of globalization (which he calls a "tide") on US workers, and the subsequent change of our Republic into a corporatist state where profits are privatized by the few and losses are socialized.

      Globalization and its crippling effect on the US isn't a "tide". It is a calculated corporatist strategy where they've used a totalitarian country (China) and other desperate countries to fully realize their dream of paying slave wages and rolling back gains made by American workers. Meanwhile, with no "innovation" to fill the ensuing joblessness and  wage decreases relative to our former manufacturing base, the corporatists have bought both parties submission to their vision of our economy.

      Gary Hart is what's wrong with Democrats.

  •  Politically motivated. (11+ / 0-)

    Of course it is politically motivated.  Obama is a politician wishing to hold on to the most coveted prize in his field: the presidency.  Expecting him not to operate in a politically motivated manner during his re-election year is like a fox expecting a scorpion not to sting him to death as they cross the river.  It is, of course, in the nature of our journalist to feign naivete.

    That said, Obama has offered Republicans an opportunity these last four years to join him in the political benefits.  They have fought him at every turn and sought to rob him of every victory.  How could he be expected to work through political channels to revise immigration rules, laws for gay marriage or sensible reproductive health measures when the GOP has turned every single vote into a politically motivated brawl?

    So now it is an election year, and despite the GOP seeking to rob Obama of anything to run on, he has decided to use his executive authority (the same authority that the GOP had no problem with when Bush the Lesser was playing around with it like a kid in an unlocked gun safe) to make politically smart, policy smart changes to the way the executive branch operates.

    You know how it's only class warfare when we fight back?  It appears as though politics is only politically motivated when the GOP is losing on the issues.

    Democracy is often an indictment of the voting populace.

    by electricgrendel on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:54:41 AM PDT

    •  Politically motivated, (2+ / 0-)
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      but in the end it benefits our society, and benefits those who are now allowed to live legally in this country.
      Win-win.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:12:49 AM PDT

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      •  Basically. (2+ / 0-)
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        I have nothing wrong with legislators making decisions that benefit them politically so long as what flows from those decisions is beneficial to society.

        The problem is the Republican Party, where the legislators feed a set of twisted and disgusting social prejudices in order to gain political advantage.  Doing so is easily the lesser angels of the democratic spirit.

        Democracy is often an indictment of the voting populace.

        by electricgrendel on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:23:09 AM PDT

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      •  The Constitution, working as designed (1+ / 0-)
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        by setting the interests of the rascals against each other as far as possible, and promoting the interests of the public. Up to a point. But in every age since Washington's administration there have been those more interested in tearing down than in building, as long as it lets them keep what they have (property and social position) or hog even more, or as long as the rascals promise them they they can keep the unworthy riff-raff down.

        Slavery was merely the worst of them all. The heirs of the slavers are still with us. They are much diminished in power and numbers, and will continue to lose power and numbers in succeeding generations, but they have given away nothing in screaming.

        Busting the Dog Whistle code.

        by Mokurai on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:36:19 PM PDT

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  •  WaPo recycles the finite resources (11+ / 0-)

    One of the most tiresome road apples the right wing passes from hand to hand is "compete for jobs" and "compete against those who did things right" and the suggestion -- again, from the right, from the people who gave Jamie Dimon a shoe shine -- that the moral danger of the law has been weakened.

    All of this works with one assumption:
    Their arguments begin and end with the idea that there are a set number of jobs and that jobs are a natural resource found externally to man. The way they think, if you get a job, there is one less job in the universe, and nothing but an act of God or "job creator" will make another. If a child is allowed to stay, then the legal immigrant will have no opportunity, because "opportunity" is a fixed resource, too.

    This is intellectual fecal matter. Jobs grow and shrink with, by, and for population. Capital is not the rightful property of the rich, after all, but the public.

    Every reductio ad absurdum will seem like a good idea to some fool or another.

    by The Geogre on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:59:21 AM PDT

  •  I am struck by Gary Hart's piece (4+ / 0-)

    which postulates that the Democratic Party is stuck in some reactionary mode, protecting things like Social Security, Medicare and environmental rules and fiscal regulations.  imo the Democratic Party is one that I barely recognize anymore
    because of the Presidencies of Clinton and Obama (and to some extent, Carter) distancing themselves from these very things.

    •  it's a piece (7+ / 0-)

      that makes you think.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:05:43 AM PDT

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      •  That was kind of the basis of his campaign... (4+ / 0-)

        ....against Mondale back in 84.

        Mondale was trying to protect the New Deal, Hart was saying the Dems needed a new paradigm that included the New Deal, but wasn't limited to it.

        "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

        by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:10:05 AM PDT

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      •  Hart is an interesting and thoughtful man (1+ / 0-)
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        I heard him speak at Aspen one time, and was quite pleasantly surprised at his erudition and ability to think deeply.

        •  I saw him speak at a bookstore once. (0+ / 0-)

          Of course, there was some wingnut trying to give him grief about obscure points in history, but he knocked down all the teabagger's points.

          It was pretty impressive to me, since I didn't even know what they hell the teabagger was talking about (his historical points were that obscure).

          But Hart knew what the wingnut was trying to get at when he brought up "the battle of whatever in some obscure european fiefdom during the dark ages" and could even tell the wingnut why he was drawing the wrong conclusions from it.

          (Hart was talking about his 9/11 book and it was in 2004, so the pro-Iraq War (mr. wingnut) and anti-Iraq War (the rest of us) sides were already pretty well set.)

          "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

          by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 10:38:42 AM PDT

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    •  I think those Presidencies are the result of (3+ / 0-)

      Failed messaging by democrats. We let ourselves be defined as weak on defense (instead if smart about defense) as the hippy party and the financially irresponsible one. And so to keep those all important swing votes the Administrations/candidates have to be the opposite. Or at least feel they do. Hart is correct that democrats need to redefine who they are and then sell that better.

      “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

      by stellaluna on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:19:48 AM PDT

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      •  Except that polls show (0+ / 0-)

        that most Americans trust Obama more on foreign policy than Mitt (which I think will become an issue closer to the election), who has none, and his foreign policy adviser is John effing Bolton, so you can imagine how Mitt will come off in a debate.
        Being a neo-con isn't as popular as it used to be.
        And  it's hard to call Democrats the party of fiscal irresponsibility when most Americans still blame Bush for the economic collapse.
        Unfortunately, because of the GOP's money advantage and the crazy tea party, the Democrats are being dragged further right than they should be, to attract the independents that lean right.  
        It's encouraging to see Obama taking these steps back to the left again.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:52:40 AM PDT

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      •  Except that it is not Democratic politicians (0+ / 0-)

        who should set the new agenda. They are too focused on the next election.

        Ivanova: We're running out of time!

        Zathras: Cannot run out of time. Time is infinite. We are finite. This...is wrong tool. Never use this tool.

        B5, JMS

        All of politics, right there.

        Of course, it is not for lack of good ideas that we have no unified agenda, or more to the point, that we are not good enough at explaining what we are about. It is those who think that they are better than other people, who persist in turning everything into a food fight. There really are elitists on the Left, though nowhere near as many as on the Right.

        Obama is correct that we need to think, not of Red States nor of Blue States, but of the United States. But he has wanted to do this by giving in to the other side. The real answer is, again, given in B5.

        John Sheridan to Vorlons and Shadows both: Now get the hell out of our galaxy, both of you!

        Busting the Dog Whistle code.

        by Mokurai on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 01:53:52 PM PDT

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    •  There's been this maddening insistence... (2+ / 0-)
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      ... by those Villagers who know better than any of us that the New Deal was an massive, once-in-a-millennium accident of history, and that "getting back to normal" should be and has always been "the goal".

      Normal, of course, being exclusively defined by the Financial Elites, from whom all "blessings flow."

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:24:36 AM PDT

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    •  Hart Strikes Out (0+ / 0-)

      Look, there was no magical time when Democrats had a well formed agenda supported by united Democrats.

      Roosevelt was not a New Dealer at the time of his election, and the "bosses" in the Democratic party would not allow for the renomination of Henry Wallace, THE New Dealer, when Roosevelt's health would not last through a 4th term.

      The rise of the Republican party and its "conservative" idiocy was not caused by "the policy vacuum created by Democratic failure", but by the split in the party caused by the Democratic success of Lyndon B. Johnson pushing through the civil rights legislation which FINALLY brought a modicum of opportunity to non-white and non-rich citizens.

      Moving forward is and always will be a struggle because it requires difficult and uncomfortable changes.

      Despite Hart's being defeated in 1984 and subsequently sidelined by his own political ineptness, we did find a way to transform the auto and steel industries and bring about the "Information Age".  

      As I seem to recall, information age luminaries overwhelmingly support Democrats, and did very well during the Clinton era of "triangulation and centrism".

      Sadly, Hart has once again spent too much time lamenting what might have been rather than spending his time making what must be.

      Dawn is breaking everywhere Light a candle, curse the glare We will get by. We will survive.

      by MikeBoyScout on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 07:14:40 AM PDT

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      •  What? (0+ / 0-)

        The auto industry just had to be bailed out and the "information Age" is eliminating jobs traditionally associated with the middle class (assembly line workers, data processors, foremen, and supervisors etc.) . Those individuals who lose their jobs must either move up, joining a group of “mind workers” (engineers, attorneys, scientists, professors, executives, journalists, consultants), or settle for low-skill, low-wage service jobs.

        Where I live, there's very little moving up. Individual ownership of the distribution of goods has been replaced by monopolistic corporatism. Meanwhile, the ghetto's are getting bigger and more violent.  

        Democrats need to concern themselves  less with "Information age luminaries" and more with how they're going to produce more individual ownership of the distribution of goods, and higher wages from an expanded manufacturing base.

        Germany had done this quite well, but American Democrats have become no different than Republicans in bowing to US corporate masters, which means the decline is going to continue, and the fantasy that a computer in everybody's hands is going to magically transform our economy will endure.

  •  Hogan's Heroes'Sgt. Schultz= 'bagger Apotheosis (5+ / 0-)
    The movement’s name was the result of its semi-secret organization; when asked about the movement’s activities, members were instructed to reply “I know nothing.”

    slutty voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare." 政治委员, 政委!

    by annieli on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:01:19 AM PDT

  •  Actually; the republicans had many (8+ / 0-)

    opportunities to and still could, pass The DREAM Act, if they wanted to.

    The DREAM Act was first introduced in the United States Senate on August 1, 2001. It has languished there ever since!

    Free Hugs

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    by rebel ga on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:03:08 AM PDT

  •  Executive Campaigning (4+ / 0-)
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    This immigration decision by the President is a great way to have issues that the GOP and Romney are dodging brought up for discussion.

    In essence, Obama is laying down the gauntlet and everyone is now looking at Romney and Company to state what their view is. Whether they hate it and why? Or whether they agree and why? They can't just ignore the issue since he is running for Obama's current office.

    It would be great if Obama could make some other executive decisions that would bring some light between Romney and himself in the coming election...

    Something about Jobs, the Fed, regulations on Wall Street, etc.. Any number executive orders that reflect on today's crises that he is trying to fix through a gridlocked Congress.

    He has made it clear that he would not let Congress stop necessary legislation. He said that he would use executive orders to do something, anything to improve our situation. It's time to use it to shed some light on the difference between Romney and himself.

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:08:01 AM PDT

  •  The Stein column is interesting. (0+ / 0-)

    Did Stein know Obama was going to come out with a new immigration policy yesterday?

    It doesn't sound like it -- the article is about 36 hours old. Yet his column hints that Obama should do it to compete with the big money Repubs.

    "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

    by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:08:13 AM PDT

  •  is that gary hart the boat guy giving advice?n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    •  He doesn't have a great political track record.... (1+ / 0-)
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      ....(he managed mcgovern's campaign too) but he usually made sense to me.

      "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

      by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:13:47 AM PDT

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    •  yep (1+ / 0-)
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      still, a thoughtful column that makes you consider why it's wrong , if it is.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:15:17 AM PDT

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      •  y'know, I just don't see it (0+ / 0-)

        Maybe if I read the book -- surely there's a book? -- although I can tell you that I don't feel like paying for it.

        Bill Clinton actually wrestled with this problem -- more boldly before the 1994 midterm debacle. I've always thought that the efforts of Clinton, the DLC, etc. deserved some respectful attention (which makes me an apologist for the neocon fifth column, or whatever). Silly me. It is apparent from this op-ed that, for all intents and purposes, time stopped "some 30 years ago," which by strange coincidence is when Gary Hart fracked up and flamed out.

        The principal theory of those of my generation who believed every bit as strongly in the social contract and care for the needy as the most ardent New Dealer was that the economic pie must continue to grow to generate the revenues required to finance that contract.
        Yeah, right: the problem with the mainstream Democratic Party is that it forgot the importance of economic growth! No, wait, that's ridiculous. It's basically a Republican talking point without the tang.

        Judging from this op-ed, Gary Hart has become a less evil, less interesting, less influential, altogether pale imitation of Newt Gingrich: his big new idea is to have big new ideas, and it doesn't matter much what they are. Maybe "become" is the wrong verb.

    •  Is that Gary Hart who run for President but (0+ / 0-)

      had to drop out when pictures surfaced of him with his mistress sitting on his lap ?  

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      by wishingwell on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:25:09 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  how are his followers bored, even now (1+ / 0-)
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      "Follow me around. I don't care. I'm serious. If anybody wants to put a tail on me, go ahead. They'll be very bored.

      slutty voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare." 政治委员, 政委!

      by annieli on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:28:14 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Anecdote: Obama campaign stepped up the intensity (3+ / 0-)
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    Drdemocrat, skohayes, tb mare

    of it's advertising here in coastal NC yesterday....looks to be continuing today......Mitt is pretty much AWOL.

  •  had Obama done this three years ago and by this (0+ / 0-)

    i mean (the small dream act) it would have been to little help for him in November..but now when Mitt eventually picks Rubio or some other token..Obama could be able to state that while Romney's solution is "self-deportation" and Vetoing the dream act if it was passed by congress..he has tried his best against intransigent party that view Latinos as unwelcome element in their 1950's pleasantville

    /If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer/. Thoreau

    by hron on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:17:51 AM PDT

    •  Mitt had some wiggle room on immigration. (2+ / 0-)
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      Obama's taking that wiggle room away.

      Good strategy, I think.

      "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

      by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:22:48 AM PDT

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    •  3 years ago the plan was to pass (2+ / 0-)
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      the DREAM act but that failed in the U.S. Senate.

      I doubt that Romney picks Rubio.  Rubio has too many skeletons in his closet.  Rubio will not help with the Latino vote outside of Florida because he is Cuban the vast majority of Latinos outside of Florida are of Mexican descent.

      President Obama did the next best thing he could which is invoke the mini-DREAM act.  The problem with it is that it can be overturned by the next president.  If that doesn't give Latinos incentive to get out and vote knowing that a President Romney under pressure from his base would over turn what President Obama did then I don't know what else will.

      This helps Obama GOTV of Latinos in 2012 for they may fear a President Romney.

      President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

      by Drdemocrat on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:34:28 AM PDT

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      •  Rubio is not Cuban. (0+ / 0-)

        His parents were Cuban.  No more than I'm Irish.  I may be of Irish decent, but I'm American.

        And since Rubio's parents left Cuba 3 years before Castro, he's really not part of the Cuban exile experience.

        In an insane society, the sane man would appear insane

        by TampaCPA on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:52:41 AM PDT

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        •  His parents escaped capitalism. (0+ / 0-)

          LOL.

          "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

          by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 07:01:31 AM PDT

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          •  No, the criminal Batista tyranny (0+ / 0-)

            Working hand in glove with US corporations, the Mafia, and the US government in its most lurid anti-Communist prop-up-any-dictator-in-sight mode. See Alec Guinness in Our Man in Havana for a satiric taste, or the all-star Voyage of the Damned for a more serious view. Both largely take the point of view of foreigners (Brits, Jews escaping Hitler) working in or coming to Cuba.

            Jewish visitor: Everybody I talk to tries to sell me bananas, sugar, or whores.

            José Estedes (Orson Welles): Cuba is a poor country, señor. We sell what we have.

            I don't know of a movie taking the locals' point of view that I can recommend. However, Pan's Labyrinth/El Laberinto del Fauno, set in the Spanish Civil War, could be taken just as well to be in Cuba of the same date.
            "I believe that there is no country in the world including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonization, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country's policies during the Batista regime. I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. That is perfectly clear."
                
            — U.S. President John F. Kennedy, to Jean Daniel, October 24, 1963

            So, you think it's bad when they accuse Obama of being a Socialist? Nobody can even talk about what the Republicans accused Kennedy of. That's why Kennedy makes Santorum want to upchuck, not just declaring for religious liberty.

            Busting the Dog Whistle code.

            by Mokurai on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 02:28:00 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know (2+ / 0-)
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        I mean, WE know that Rubio's Cuban heritage will attract the conservatives in Florida, and WE know that Rubio barely registers on the scale of most Hispanics (most out here where I live give you a blank state when you mention his name), but this move would be on the level of the thinking that Sarah Palin would attract Democrats because she was a woman.
        Republicans are completely tone deaf on minority issues.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 07:03:27 AM PDT

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  •  I saw Hope & Change yesterday (4+ / 0-)
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    just as I saw that when President Obama came out for marriage equality.

    FORWARD!!!!

    President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

    by Drdemocrat on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:22:29 AM PDT

  •  When I read something Gary Hart (2+ / 0-)
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    has written, it seems that his political fate against Mondale represents a lost opportunity.  

    The sexual antics aside, his is a big-picture mind.  It's a philosophical mind with an impressive range.  

    A divinity degree in a liberal Democrat is an interesting juxtaposition, especially set against the rising Christian fundamentalism in the GOP in recent decades.  

    •  Not sure he had enough personal charisma. (3+ / 0-)
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      Mind you, I supported him over Mondale, who looked like a loser from the day he announced his campaign.

      At worst, I figured, the long road of rebuilding the Dem Party could start with Hart. Instead, we just delayed it and lost 49 states on top of it.

      "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

      by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:00:06 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Agree. I supported him over Mondale (1+ / 0-)
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        also.  

        It's a small item on a large list, but when Mondale appropriated the 'Where's the beef?' line against Hart, it reminded me of the boss politics of the first Mayor Daley in Chicago.  

        Mondale wound up being crushed by Reagan.  Back in 1972 Nixon -- despite persistent Watergate rumors -- crushed McGovern.  I'm sadly used to not getting my way in elections sometimes, but damn it, I wish the percentages were better balanced.

  •  Whats up with WAPO and the headline. (4+ / 0-)
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    Young illegal immigrants’ amnesty could tighten competition for jobs, college
    It just gives it that right wing nutjob slant that they feel they have to have.

    The ones they quote driving that opion (that the illegals gonna take all our jobs) are the Center for Immigration studies

    http://www.cis.org/...

    They say,

    The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent, non-partisan, non-profit, research organization. Since our founding in 1985, we have pursued a single mission – providing immigration policymakers, the academic community, news media, and concerned citizens with reliable information about the social, economic, environmental, security, and fiscal consequences of legal and illegal immigration into the United States.
    Then look at the Kudos for the center below. Almost all right wingers.

    William Bennet
    Phyllis Schlafly
    Jeff Sessions
    Tom Tancredo!!!!

    RIchard Lamm foremer D governor of Colorado is the only  D listed. I don't know anything about him, but you can always find one idiot in the bunch.

    Way to go WAPO....

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

    by CTMET on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:11:36 AM PDT

    •  Lamm was a good governor (1+ / 0-)
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      Rather independent in his thinking, but certainly not an idiot or a Tea Partier.  No idea why he is involved with this group of crazies.

      •  He has a d*ckish side to him. (1+ / 0-)
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        I remember that quote along the lines of "why should the state pay health professionals to teach disabled kids to roll over" or something like that; then he said something about the old having a duty to die.

        Lately, it appears, he's been making dickish comments about Hispanics.

        "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

        by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 10:53:25 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Gotta love it. (2+ / 0-)
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      CTMET, wsexson

      Repubs think an expanding economy can cure all ills, except when it's expanded to brown people.

      "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

      by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 10:42:56 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  That's what's so great about Reagan/Greenspan (0+ / 0-)

        That was when Greenspan redefined inflation to be mostly rising wages, and all of the power of the government and corporations both could be turned to making sure that all increases in productivity benefited only the owners and managers, not any of the workers.

        The phrase alienation of labor somehow springs to mind. But hardly anybody even knows what that refers to any more, and if you do, you don't dare say so in public.

        Busting the Dog Whistle code.

        by Mokurai on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 02:33:05 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  right thing to do (0+ / 0-)

    and a great political move. Nothing wrong with that since Obama is running for president and all.

    Re-elect Barack Obama and elect Elizabeth Warren

    by al23 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:32:49 AM PDT

  •  BO's Immigration Move: A Political "No Brainer" (3+ / 0-)
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    Whenever you make a policy change in an election year, you have to weigh out what you will gain and what you will lose in terms of votes.  In the case of President Obama's policy change on what I will call the "DREAM Act" class of immigrants its an almost 100% vote gain 0% loss for him.

    On the gain side he cements the votes of millions of Latinos, some of whom were wavering over the lack of action on immigration reform.  Furthermore, by aiming the policy change so that it benefits immigrants in the 18 to 30 year age range, he helps increase the enthusiasm of young voters of all nationalities who are mostly supportive and yearning for this type of progressive change.

    On the loss side, there's really almost nothing.  President Obama has ramped up border security substantially over what it was during the Bush era and has deported more illegals within his first 4 years than in the entire 8 years of the Bush term.  But what credit has he got for it among anti-immigrant voters?  None!  The fact of the matter is President Obama could double or triple border security and deportation, and these folks would still not vote for him.  They're totally Fox Brainwashed.

    So while I congratulate President Obama on the merits of his decision, I also have applaud for once again getting the political calculus correct.  Its won him countless Latino and youth votes and forced Mitt and other Republicans to play defense, a position he must keep them in.

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:36:18 AM PDT

    •  Not sure how this will sell in NC, IN, MO... (0+ / 0-)

      ....and maybe Iowa, but most of those were writeoffs this year anyway.

      "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

      by Bush Bites on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 07:00:34 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I haven't looked at NC or MO, but (0+ / 0-)

        there are plenty of Latinos in Indiana. I was a Census Team Leader here in Columbus two years ago, with, among many other things, the responsibility for contacting the office to get one of our Spanish-capable enumerators out whenever we found a monolingual Spanish-speaking household. Most are bilingual, of course.

        We have a taqueria, a carneceria, and other stores, several Mexican as well as Mexican-American restaurants, and various Hispanic and community and church groups here.

        I can't do phone banking in Spanish, and I'm getting just a bit old for the door-to-door work, but I am doing everything I can to bring the various communities together and recruit those who can do the work.

        Busting the Dog Whistle code.

        by Mokurai on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 02:51:58 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  This assumes that we GOTV, and in particular (0+ / 0-)

      that we get out and register Latino voters in record numbers. Or rather, support Latinos getting out and doing it, because you have to speak Spanish and be able to navigate the appropriate version of the culture to be effective at it.

      I know enough Spanish to be dangerous if I tried it myself, but also enough to know not to.

      ¿Como esta? ¿Es usted ciudadano? ¡No, no, por favor, no soy la Migra!...¡Ay, ay, ay, caramba!

      *<{%<{[}}}

      Bemused Gringo geek in clown hat, mustache, and full beard

      Busting the Dog Whistle code.

      by Mokurai on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 02:44:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Media & GOP Suddenly "Concerned" About Students (2+ / 0-)
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    Bush Bites, Mokurai

    Where's all the concern about GOP efforts to double student loan interest rates?

    With the prime rate practically zero the GOP plan is another massive corporate subsidy funded on the backs of the working poor who are legally forbidden to go bankrupt.

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 08:41:27 AM PDT

  •  Face it: (0+ / 0-)

    there is the party for mean old white guys, and then there is the party for the rest of us.  

    Trouble is, far more of the money in propaganda works for the mean old white guy party than for the party of the people.  In addition, a share of the leadership of the party of the people is bought off by mean old white guy money.  

    Solutions: pressure the party of the people, pressure it and pressure it.  And fight the mean old white guy party.  

    The robb'd that smiles steals something from the thief. -- Shakespeare

    by not2plato on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:50:03 PM PDT

  •  Gary Hart. He's the trial balloon guy. (0+ / 0-)

    Come December, we can expect "New Ideas the Sequel" to roll out.

    I think I understand why some Tea-Partiers want government to keep its hands off their Social Security.  There are too many frauds like Gary Hart on the so-called left that are eager to bleed the New Deal to death because they're such good, thoughtful policy wonks and bureaucrats who want to tinker with shit that actually is NECESSARY to some other people.

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