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next week, what repercussions will that have?

This is a question people should be asking themselves and each other.  There is a reason behind this utter madness that no one is talking about.

Why are Republicans trying so desperately to discredit Eric Holder?  Especially at this point in time.  I remember in 2011 when Eric Holder denounced the 'Fast and Furious' operation as dangerous to Americans and Mexicans alike.

Now the NRA is shown to be involved and influential in the Republicans 'contempt of congress' vote against America's Attorney General.

What repercussions will this vote for contempt have on previous decisions by the US Justice Department and what affect will it have on future decisions by the US Justice Department?

Actions such as these can't be forgiven or retracted.  These allegations are putting the entire Administration's reputation at stake.  

I have to say, this goes beyond reprehensible.

Reviewing comment and blog threads from conservative web sites, the amount of vile being spewed about and the amount of unsubstantiated accusations being raised is nearly overwhelming in their viciousness.

Nothing to date has given me such trepidation for our country as this unwarranted and vicious attack.

This is really, really bad for America.

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  •  If Boehner Calls For A Full House Vote.... (11+ / 0-)

    they could actually wind up having the Capitol police cuff Holder & march him to the Capitol prison.  They're desperate enough.  

    They've been after Holder & Obama for 3 & 1/2 years.  They think this is their shot.  However......they need to be prepared for the public fallout.  

    Their job was to get jobs.  How many jobs will imprisoning Holder or spending months having a US Attorney debate this issue in court produce?

    They've got nothing.  The public isn't going to buy this, & Romney is still going to lose in November.

  •  I don't know why but I'm getting a feeling (3+ / 0-)
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    G2geek, Pinto Pony, cassandracarolina

    that The Republican Party may wish like hell that those Document never saw the light of Day and that they had never voted for anything The NRA ever wanted.

  •  Lots of things could happen (13+ / 0-)

    Yet it is likely that none of them will.

    This is not the first time a Committee has passed a contempt motion, yet they rarely get to the House for a vote, because that is the nuclear option, and the political fall-out (for the House Leadership) is massive.

    If Boehner brings this to the floor for a vote he might not get a majority, which could finish him, and if he does he is pretty much declaring war on the Executive (which has invoked privilege over the documents concerned).

    Either way, they would not be able to avoid the publicity, and the cries for a full and detailed investigation that would mire the previous Administration in this mess ... they won't let that happen because the GOP started this, and that would end up plain for all to see.

    Issa is playing chicken with the White House, because he can, purely for nuisance value if he has any sense left.

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    by twigg on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 01:28:56 AM PDT

  •  Holder can camp out (0+ / 0-)

    in the Lincoln bedroom........

  •  The Republicans are way past the breakers on this. (11+ / 0-)

    I'd be astonished if you can find five people in 100 who know what the hell "fast and furious" is.

    So now a GOP House with approval ratings in the single digits is pushing to convict the nation's highest law enforcement official over a document request pertaining to a program nobody's heard of, but started in the Bush Administration.

    Not that we needed any more proof, but they once again are proving to the country that they're hysterical imbeciles.

    I'm getting the sense that the White House is not that unhappy to get into a game of blink on this.

    •  Agreed (0+ / 0-)

      My SO and I were discussing this nonsense over dinner. So some guns were sold to drug dealers in Mexico -- I think that's what this is about, but with everything else going on, it barely registers in my memory. The NRA has shrieked and shrieked for decades that people, including felons (but, don't let them vote!) and the mentally ill, need to be able to buy as many firearms as they want, with no background checks, whenever they want. So, they're upset about some Mexicans buying guns? I honestly don't get it.

      Oh, I forget: they're BROWN. Only white criminals should be able to have all the guns their hearts desire - the better to shoot uppity women and disrespectful minorities with.

      Radarlady

      •  This is simply untrue. (5+ / 0-)
        The NRA has shrieked and shrieked for decades that people, including felons (but, don't let them vote!) and the mentally ill, need to be able to buy as many firearms as they want, with no background checks, whenever they want.

        This is plainly and simply untrue.

        The NRA actually supported and worked to strengthen the NICS background check system, which is meant to prevent felons and the mentally ill from legally possessing firearms.

        There are many, many things to criticize the NRA about -- constant falsehoods about how Obama is planning to ban all guns comes immediately to mind -- but leveling completely untrue attacks at them does the Democratic and Progressive cause no service.

        Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

        by theatre goon on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 04:00:02 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Well, alright, I'll take your word for it (2+ / 0-)
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          theatre goon, happy camper

          I remember reading differing accounts of the NRA's actions in Virginia as regards loopholes for the mentally ill that Seung-Hui Cho slipped through, but I'll quit complaining and do some paying work.

          Grumble, grumble.

          Radarlady

        •  Issa et al really have a tiger by the tail here (3+ / 0-)
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          Pinto Pony, happy camper, Mokurai

          The entire impetus for this is to try to excite their base with a conspiracy theory that the Obama administration, in conjuction with the Mexican government and various drug cartels intetionally botched this program in an attempt to produce a rational to enact stricter gun control laws, up to and including confiscations nationwide.

          Any rational person will immediately know that this is bullshit and a political witchhunt, but they think they finally found their scandal. At least this one is a little sexier than Solyndra, so they think people will pay attention to it.

        •  If not, they do a good job of hiding it (0+ / 0-)

          NRA Supports Colorado Bill Repealing State Background Checks

          Why NRA Opposes Gun Control Supporters` "Terrorist Watchlist" Bills

          NRA Opposes Background Check Requirements, Al Qaeda Plans A Shopping Trip

          Republican State Sen. David Lawson called the proposal "a piece of legislation looking for a problem."

          Just days later, Al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn encouraged terrorists to use American gun shows to bypass background checks as they plot Mumbai-style attacks. From Gadahn's statement:

              America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms. You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?

          Busting the Dog Whistle code.

          by Mokurai on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 04:11:20 PM PDT

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          •  Responses... (0+ / 0-)

            The first link refers to a redundant state-level check, when there is already a federal-level check.  State-level checks do not have access to the records that the federal-level checks do.  This is mentioned in the article itself.

            The second link refers to an attempt to make those on a "terrorist watchlist" into prohibited possessors.  Watchlists upon which people are often put on with no due process of law.  Why should anyone lose any right without due process?

            The third link is just silly, and has been mentioned here more than a few times.  Automatic rifles are not as easily available as the AQ spokesman in question would have one believe -- it is simply nonsense.

            That being the case, no, the NRA is not opposing background checks, nor are they advocating weapons for all.

            Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

            by theatre goon on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 04:35:18 PM PDT

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        •  Are you sure? (0+ / 0-)

          I remember this...

          http://www.vpc.org/...

          but perhaps you are right.  

    •  If you didn't know what Fast and Furious was.. (3+ / 0-)
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      Pinto Pony, Danise94, msmacgyver

      I think we're all about to find out all about it....Cue the Bush Administration.

    •  I meantioned "Fast and Furious" to a friend (3+ / 0-)
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      skillet, Pinto Pony, msmacgyver

      He was like "Oh yeah,  I think I saw that movie, theres like 4 of them now right?"

      Joe Schmoe has not a clue what this is about, and they have no way to pin this on the Admin without dragging Bush's people into it too.

  •  'My Kingdom for a Scandal'.........n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    MRobDC, Danise94, Big River Bandido
  •  Scofflaws going on the attack is not a pretty (4+ / 0-)

    sight to see.  One assumes the victim will be well defended.  One also suspects that the scofflaws are getting desperate.

    We tend to assume that guilt leads people of conscience to change their behavior.  That's not how it often works out.  More often than not, guilt prompts people to double-down and perpetrate the offense again, as if to prove it wasn't wrong or an error to begin with.  Perhaps pride accounts for it.  On the other hand, perhaps creatures of habit just can't help making the same mistakes over and over again.  Jousting with Holder may have become a habit with some.

    Conservatives are creatures of habit whom experience simply doesn't affect. They're instinct-driven and that likely accounts for why, just like people who keep crashing their cars, they risk failure over and over again.

    What's to be done?  Stop electing creatures of habit to represent us and fire the ones that are already ensconced.  Make a start with the Dufus Brigade:

    Louie Gohmert(TX-01)
    Joe Wilson(SC-02)
    Joe Walsh (IL-08) v. Tammy Duckworth
    Steve King (IA-04) v. Christie Vilsack
    Michele Bachmann(MN-06) v. JIm Graves
    Tom Graves(GA-14)
    Paul Broun(GA-10)
    John Culberson(TX-07)
    Phil Gingrey(GA-11)
    Clif Stearns(FL-03)
    Frank Guinta(NH-01) v. Carol Shea-Porter
    Charles Bass(NH-02) v. Ann McLane Kuster
    Allen West(FL-18) v. Patrick Murphy
    Daniel Webster(FL-10)
    Austin Scott(GA-08)
    Lou Barletta(PA-11)
    Patrick McHenry(NC-10)
    Chip Cravaack(MN-08)
    Thaddeus McCotter(MI-11)
    Sean Duffy(WI-07) v. Pat Kreitlow
    Eric Cantor(VA-07) v. Wayne Powell
    Jeff Denham(CA-10)
    Steve Womack(AR-03)
    Steve Southerland(FL-02) v. Leonard Bembry
    Virginia Foxx(NC-05)
    Joe Heck(NV-03)
    John Campbell(CA-45)
    Andy Harris (MD-01)
    Peter King (NY-03)
    Frank Lobiondo(NJ-02)
    Nan Hayworth (NY-18)
    Doug Lamborn (CO-05)
    Mike Coffman (CO-06)
    Robert Dold (IL-10) v. Brad Schneider
    John Fleming (LA-04)
    Diane Black (TN-06)
    Marsha Blackburn (TN-07)
    Justin Amash (MI-03)
    Robert Hurt (VA-05)
    Jim Jordan (OH-04)
    Don Young (AK)
    Paul Ryan (WI-01) v. Rob Zerban
    Collin Peterson (MN-07)
    Renee Elmers (NC-02)
    Timothy Walberg (MI-07)
    Mike Rogers (MI-08)
    Peter Hoekstra (MI-Sen)
    Adrian Smith (NE-03)
    Vern Buchanan (FL-16) v. Keith Firzgerald
    John Sullivan (OK-01)
    Scott Rigell (VA-02)
    Ann Marie Beurkle (NY-24)
    Michael Grimm (Ny-11) v.Mark Murphy

    "In the name of the nation, and of the dollar and of the rule of law, you and your children shall sacrifice for the good of all." Rmoney's prayer

    by hannah on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 04:32:08 AM PDT

    •  wow! Impressive list. (0+ / 0-)

      Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

      by Smoh on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 06:03:22 AM PDT

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    •  Dufus Brigade (0+ / 0-)

      aptly put.

      Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

      by Big River Bandido on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 09:00:51 AM PDT

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    •  It is called Cognitive Dissonance (0+ / 0-)

      Every racist, bigot, and rich sociopath suffers from it, except for the outright psychopaths who actually have no shame at all. This is why the shrinking Wingnut Right (as measured by innumerable demographic studies) is doubling down, and screaming more loudly and more viciously. The more they are able to drive out those with any sanity left, and reduce their numbers even more, the more insane the remnant becomes.

      Many people have supposed for the last several years that we have reached the bottom of the pit of Wingnuttery, that it cannot get any worse. And every time, it got much worse.

      There is reason to think that the Republican Party will implode and vanish away, as the Federalists did in Jefferson's day, and the Whigs not long before the Civil War, for basically the same reasons.

      Busting the Dog Whistle code.

      by Mokurai on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 04:19:31 PM PDT

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  •  Ken Starr showed us what can happen when (0+ / 0-)

    you go fishing. The entire strategy is to get the administration to turn over as many documents as possible and play the odds that something embarrassing turns up.

    The republicans learned Starr's lesson too well. It remains to be seen whether they've learned the lesson of the 1998 congressional elections.

    You can call it "class warfare" -- we call it "common sense"

    by kenlac on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 05:26:03 AM PDT

  •  The corruption and hypocrisy (3+ / 0-)
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    msmacgyver, Smoh, cassandracarolina

    files against Issa are massive and ongoing: alleged criminal past, insider trading, hypocritical and conflicting statements, voting record and policy positions such as this:

    GOP Rep. Darrell Issa under fire from everywhere after 9/11 comments

    The California congressman who called the Sept. 11 attacks "simply" a plane crash ran for cover Wednesday under a barrage of ridicule from fellow Republicans, first responders and victims' families ... Issa was under siege for suggesting the federal government had already done enough to help New York cope with "a fire" that "simply was an aircraft" hitting the World Trade Center.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/...

    Just sayin'
  •  Nothing will happen. (0+ / 0-)

    Consider all the Bush admin officials who were in contempt of Congress. No grand juries impaneled, no charges brought, nothing. I believe there was one minor official who was actually punished (lightly) but that's it.

    As mentioned by commenters above, like so much else, this operation started under Bush. Remember Bush? The Republicans don't want you to, especially this close to an election.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 05:49:30 AM PDT

  •  The documents sought aren't germane. That's the (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Mokurai

    whole issue why the President is claiming privilege.  

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 08:56:31 AM PDT

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