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Here is a video(phone video) where Bill Gates predicts that plant protein foods will be a part of the mainstream within 5 years also an enormous business opportunity.

Taking Bill Gates up on his prediction for fantastic financial returns are the co-founders of Twitter Biz Stone and Evan Williams who are rolling out Beyond Meat their new investment in plant based protein foods.

Obvious Corporation, an incubator created by Biz Stone and Evan Williams, is backing a company that makes a plant-based meat substitute that it claims is going to make people forget that meat has to come from animals. After shaking up how we communicate, will they change how we eat?
The Obvious Corporation generally works with web-centric companies like Neighborland, Pinwheel, and Lift. But Biz Stone has been a vegan for over a decade, and he’s acutely aware of the potential health and sustainability gains of a world that eats less meat. Stone first learned about Beyond Meat when one of the partners at Kleiner Perkins mentioned that they were considering an investment in the company. He was intrigued.
"These guys are coming at the meat analogue industry not as a novelty. They were coming at it from this big science angle."
With meat being recognized as one of the greatest contributors to climate change and
the overwhelming evidence that meat consumption contributes to our national chronic disease epidemic plant protein is the future

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  •  Bill also says that the future of the PC (11+ / 0-)

    is Windows 7.

    Why do we assume that rich people are somehow all knowing?

  •  if it tastes like meat and... (14+ / 0-)

    ... has a high protein content, and can be engineered to provide vitamin B-12 or whatever-it-is that's hard to get without eating meat, splendid!  

    I don't care if my burger wasn't a cow last week, or the pepperoni on my pizza wasn't a pig last month.  I just care that a burger tastes like a burger and is loaded with protein, and pepperoni tastes like pepperoni even if it's not loaded with fat and salt.  

    If that can be done with vat meat, great.  If it can be done with plants, great.  

    I'd still prefer that my milk and ice cream and cheese come from cows, but this can be done without exploitation or cruelty, and it can be done sustainably.  

    I know where my milk comes from, and I see those cows when I drive up to Sonoma.  They're hanging out on an otherwise un-farmable hillside (weird geographic contours and too steep) munching on grass and generally looking content.  Assuming that the pasteurization plant is somewhere in area code 707, that milk travels about 50 miles to get to me, which is about as local as any food product in Oakland.

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 07:39:14 AM PDT

    •  Clover? (5+ / 0-)
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    •  I am with you on what you said but would also (5+ / 0-)
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      add if it can be done without residual solvents or chemical additives that are problematic for many. Since many diseases of aging are inflammatory I think that a large cause is inflammatory diets so it would be good to get past what is fed to our meat animals.

      Vat meat is one of my hopes for genetically engineered stuff. I like the idea of meat that no animal suffers to provide. And that doesn't provide mountains of manure. I really hated manure when I lived on farms. LOL always shoveling the sh*t. That was probably when i started questioning the Noah myth... How did he handle all the crap. Anyways, I like this idea but it remains to be seen what will really be offered.  It always was a sci fi idea I liked.

      Gates is right that we need to find some way to feed a burgeoning population as climate changes and land becomes less available. We would push less natural species off the land and maybe some of them would begin a comeback. I would only hope that it won't cause another surge in population that grows to the food supply and beyond.

      How can you tell when Rmoney is lying? His lips are moving. Fear is the Mind Killer

      by boophus on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 08:03:00 AM PDT

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      •  Same (2+ / 0-)
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        I read this post with great hope and also great fear.  The fear is that a 'plant-based meat substitute' created by big money will contain all kinds of unholy pink-slime-type-genetically-modified-chemical crap.

        As of 02/22/2012 in Washington State pharmacists can exercise their "religious freedom" by denying women access to Plan B because the judge thinks there aren't any bigots in this state.

        by FlamingoGrrl on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 09:19:13 AM PDT

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      •  population growth is THE central problem. (1+ / 0-)
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        No solution will work as long as humans keep increasing in numbers.  

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 06:52:39 PM PDT

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        •  Agreed. World hunger and environmental (0+ / 0-)

          depradation will not be handled by ignoring major parts of the problem.  Hopefully we will handle it before it gets so severe that the whole system collapses and billions die after destroying countless other forms of life.

          How can you tell when Rmoney is lying? His lips are moving. Fear is the Mind Killer

          by boophus on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 04:26:12 PM PDT

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  •  I am convinced that the only possible way to (13+ / 0-)

    create positive social change is to keep hammering away at the fact that there's money to be made.  The people with the power cling to the old ways in large part because they made money with those old ways, and just aren't able to visualize making money a different way.

    •  Well said, lineatus. That's what it will take. (7+ / 0-)

      That's how a movement to discourage spending on an unsustainable product such as meat can be so powerful because it influences the market.

      Macca's Meatless Monday

      by VL Baker on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 07:47:33 AM PDT

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      •  There was a profile of Burt Rutan in the Economist (5+ / 0-)

        recently.  He's the guy who won the X Prize for building SpaceShip One, and earlier created the Voyager, a superlight aircraft that flew around the world without stopping or refueling.  He drives an electric car (has for seven years now) and built an incredibly energy-efficient house.  

        And he's a climate change denier.  Not skeptic, but flat out denier - it's all a scam in his view.  But he thinks it makes sense to conserve energy because it's economical and efficient.  As much as it disappoints me to find out that someone whose work I find fascinating is an absolute idiot in a different realm, part of me would really love to get him on board speaking to wingers and deniers.  "Don't do this for the do-good save-the-planet angle, do it because it just makes good financial sense."  You're going to have a hell of a time convincing deniers not to deny, but you still might be able to convince them to do the right thing.  I'll settle for people taking the right action, even if they're not doing it for the reason I want.

  •  Conflation and confusion of vegan (2+ / 0-)
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    and vegetarian

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 07:47:27 AM PDT

  •  Bill who™? (1+ / 0-)
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    He will convince Monsanto to do some DNA kitbashing, like how his programmers redo Windows.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 07:55:20 AM PDT

  •  bill gates (1+ / 0-)
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    is a butcher of computers. I'm hardly interested in what he thinks about food.

    Information is meant to come from Apple. And humans are meant to run on meat and fruit. That's just the way it is.

    •  What about all of the healthy people who are (2+ / 0-)
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      lifelong vegatarians or vegans? Doesn't that pose a problem for your claim that "humans are meant to run on meat and fruit"?

      •  that (2+ / 0-)
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        humans are built to run on meat and fruit is not a "claim." No more than evolution is a "claim."

        Yet there are people in this world who are convinced that Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church. And nothing will alter their Reality.

        So too are there people who cocoon in the Reality that the human organism is not built to run on meat and fruit. Nothing will yank them out of that Reality, either.

        I usually eschew food-zealot threads, but citing Bill "666" Gates as some wizard of wisdom was just too hilarious to pass up.

        •  Oh c'mon- we were built to run on grains (5+ / 0-)

          That's why we have all those stomachs.

        •  nonsense (1+ / 0-)
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          Evolution is a scientific theory that is backed by a mountain of empirical evidence. In contrast, your claim that people are "meant" to run on meat is unscientific because it presupposes the existence of some agent or entity who "means" for humans to eat a certain type of diet, and there is no evidence that any such entity exists.

          By invoking intentionality in this way your argument is much closer to creationism that it is to evolution, which seeks to explain how organisms change across generations and makes no assertions about how life is "meant" to be.

          I usually eschew food-zealot threads
          Just because people are advocating for people to eat less meat does not make them zealots. I'm not sure where that's coming from.
          •  like people (0+ / 0-)

            who believe that Adam and Even rode dinosaurs to church, you are ignorant of the science involved. Either willfully, or through sad happenstance. You can educate yourself, if you like, beginning with the book at the link I embedded. Or not. Your choice.

            •  stop acting like a troll. (4+ / 0-)

              in her diary. and your asinine repeated spamming about adam and eve riding dino and comparing that to someone who simple eats different food that you what you gulp down, is downright stupid.
               

              We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

              by Christin on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:26:44 AM PDT

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              •  you (0+ / 0-)

                don't boss me, Christin.

                This is a diary in which we are expected to genuflect before the computer-butcher Bill Gates' blitherings about food. I found that amusing and absurd, and said so.

                And herein I have engaged in no "spamming." I have simply pointed out, with a link, that it is a scientific fact that the human organism is built to run on meat and fruit. Nobody has bothered to refute this, they've just denied it—just like people who deny evolution, and persist in the fantasy that Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church. The comparison, therefore, is not, as you would have it, "stupid," but in fact quite apt.

                Finally, you haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about when you start gibbering about "someone who simple [sic] eats different food that [sic] you [sic] what you gulp down." You haven't the first clue as to what I eat.

                •  the human body is healthier on a vegetarian (1+ / 0-)
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                  diet...click the link in the diary.

                  Macca's Meatless Monday

                  by VL Baker on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 02:25:15 PM PDT

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                  •  i assume (0+ / 0-)

                    you are referring to the final link in your diary.

                    Nowhere does it say that "the human body is healthier on a vegetarian diet."

                    The closest it comes is here:

                    Meat in the diet provides an important source of protein and micronutrients, such as iron, zinc, and B-vitamins. However, energy-dense diets, purported to be high in meat, fats and sugars, and further compounded by sedentary lifestyle, have been implicated in the growing epidemics of obesity and diet-related chronic diseases. Evidence suggests vegetarians may be at lower risk for CVD, hypertension, diabetes mellitus, obesity, and cancer. However, low-fat/high-carbohydrate diets have not been wholly positive or successful in reducing the burden of chronic disease within the general population; and lean meat and fish continue to be part of recommendations for a balanced, healthy diet.
                    •  i guess you missed the whole point of the (0+ / 0-)

                      article and that was that meat contributes to chronic disease.

                      Macca's Meatless Monday

                      by VL Baker on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 04:45:59 PM PDT

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                      •  i didn't (0+ / 0-)

                        miss the point of the article at all. It is you who want it to make a point that it manifestly does not. You claimed it said that "the human body is healthier on a vegetarian diet." Except it doesn't say that. But you want it to, so that's what you say it says. Even though it doesn't.

                        •  vegetarians live longer here's the evidence (0+ / 0-)

                          http://www.treehugger.com/...

                          but I think you just want to be trollish

                          Macca's Meatless Monday

                          by VL Baker on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 05:40:34 PM PDT

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                          •  from (0+ / 0-)

                            your own link:

                            The participants of the the German Cancer Research Center study included 60 vegans (no animal products consumed), 1165 vegetarians (eating eggs, milk but no meat) with the remainder described as "moderate" vegetarians who occasionally ate fish or meat. The health of these study participants was compared with the average German population. Living longer seems not to be exclusively related to eating meat, though, as the results for moderate vegetarians was not statistically different from those for vegan or strict vegetarian diets.
                            Quoting from your own links is hardly "trollish."
                          •  people make excuses for their bad habits.. (0+ / 0-)

                            and that's what you're doing.  Unfortunately your bad habits harm and cost the rest of us greatly.

                            Macca's Meatless Monday

                            by VL Baker on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 05:34:50 AM PDT

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                          •  you (1+ / 0-)
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                            haven't the faintest idea what my habits are. And yet you condemn them as "bad," and decree that they "harm and cost the rest of us greatly."

                            In this, you display the absolute worst habit of human beings, the one from which all human-on-human suffering and oppression flows.

          •  It's not the "eat less meat" (1+ / 0-)
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            or even "eat no meat." (The marketplace may well take care of that, anyway. Meat is getting expensive. And have you seen the cost of fish lately?)

            I do object to moving goalposts.

            First, it's eat no meat.
            Then, it's eat no milk, cheese, or ice cream.

            While this is still doable with all the tofu-like substitutes (and daiya makes a fairly convincing shredded cheese), it doesn't stop there.

            Eat less sugar is a great idea, but don't eat sugar substitutes?? If it tastes sweet it's the work of the devil or something?? (I mean, saccharin, sure, though it tastes nasty to begin with.)

            The biggest joke is the gluten phobia. Sure, if you have celiac disease or some other intolerance, but honestly, the whole "gluten free" obsession is as stupid as Louie Gohmert's TERROR BABIES. You still manage to find something somewhat tasty to eat and OMG! You are torturing wheat! (Since when is gluten a freaking animal?)

            Food zealots will not rest until we all eat a "colon cleansing" diet of dried grapefruit and sand.

            Sometimes . . . I feel . . . like a redneck with chopsticks . . . Dreaming of squirrel while I'm sucking down squid . . .

            by Pale Jenova on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 09:46:19 AM PDT

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            •  whatever (1+ / 0-)
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              All I did was point out that the assertion that humans are somehow "meant" to eat meat is nonsense, which it is. I'm not going to respond to your rant about "moving goalposts" because it's unrelated to anything that I wrote.

              Both you and blueness are arguing in bad faith. I'm out of here.

              •  We aren't "meant" to eat meat (2+ / 0-)
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                but we do have the option to do so--it's called being omnivorous.

                I often (but not always) choose not to, but you can take away my ice cream when you pry my spoon from my cold, dead fingers.

                (Though, judging from the scale, I might want to cut down a little bit, lol . . . )

                Sometimes . . . I feel . . . like a redneck with chopsticks . . . Dreaming of squirrel while I'm sucking down squid . . .

                by Pale Jenova on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 10:02:20 AM PDT

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            •  nah - (0+ / 0-)

              you just need to justify turning a blind eye to a industry that tortures...and is more destructive to the environment than any hummer.
              so you lash out at people who choose to eat differently than you, and claim they are the bad guys.
              because you know, you're so persecuted. in the minority and all that.
               like the keep christs in christmas peeps.
              keep eating what you want to eat.  and keep getting sick.
               who cares?

              We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

              by Christin on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:29:42 AM PDT

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              •  Many people don't realize: out of season produce (0+ / 0-)

                causes more rainforest destruction than meat production. Also, IMF-imposed export focus has resulted in millions of acres turned into corn and soybean "export crops," driving small local farmers out of business and into poverty. (Plus, there's the carbon from transporting the crops across the world.)

                Corporate farming is the issue, not meat in particular. Take a look at the diet of indigenous people around the world. Some of their entrees make pink slime look appealing. (/snark)

                I don't have a persecution complex. no one is forcing me to eat or not to eat meat. And while most food illness do result from animal products, I do recall salmonella outbreaks from Mexican peppers, Odwalla (unpasteurized) fruit juice, and two from peanut butter.

                Last I checked, peanuts are not animals . . .

                Sometimes . . . I feel . . . like a redneck with chopsticks . . . Dreaming of squirrel while I'm sucking down squid . . .

                by Pale Jenova on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:57:52 AM PDT

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            •  It's not about torturing wheat, (1+ / 0-)
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              it's about getting the shits, or hives, or a headache every time you eat it. It's about the wheat torturing you!

              Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. Throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. --Mark Twain

              by Debby on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 12:08:39 PM PDT

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              •  Sounds like you have a legitimate reason (0+ / 0-)

                Just like folks who can't tolerate corn products, especially the Monsanto, chemically enhanced variety. (And that creeps into everything as "high fructose corn syrup.")

                Sometimes . . . I feel . . . like a redneck with chopsticks . . . Dreaming of squirrel while I'm sucking down squid . . .

                by Pale Jenova on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:59:51 AM PDT

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        •  what (2+ / 0-)

          an ignorant post.
          humans are meant to run on meat is not a "claim".
          keep digging.

          I usually eschew food-zealot threads, but citing Bill "666" Gates as some wizard of wisdom was just too hilarious to pass up.
          please. what's hilarious is a voracious meat eater being a shill for the eating meat. :-)  it's amusing.
          as for the zealot? that would be you.
          trolling this diary.

          We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

          by Christin on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:24:43 AM PDT

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      •  What about all the people who live past thirty? (0+ / 0-)

        Genetically, we're not designed to do that either.

        I don't see a logical problem w/ blueness's statement posed by your example.

        Yes, you can be a healthy vegetarian.
        Yes, you can live to the ripe old age of fifty.
        Yes, you can use a screwdriver as a chisel.

        None of these examples are in line with the design of the machine, though.

    •  no. it's not the way it is. (2+ / 0-)

      it's the way you want it to be.
      apple is a greedy, selfish company that exploits the planet and humans.
      but they have this cute pitch that they are progressive and cool.
      and that's like saying fox is fair and balanced.
      steve jobs had no charities he supported. or foundations.
      and gave nothing away.
      unlike Bill Gates.

      as for human beings having to eat meat - that is is just laughable and silly.
      but whatever  - keep promoting two falsehoods.

      We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

      by Christin on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:22:33 AM PDT

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    •  I'm not religious, (0+ / 0-)
      Information is meant to come from Apple. And humans are meant to run on meat and fruit. That's just the way it is.
      but Jesus H. Christ. Mac fanboyism is obnoxious enough, but throwing paleo-determinism in there really makes this post special.
  •  I would happily try it with a few caveats (6+ / 0-)

    Bill Gates popularized the notion that an unplanned design problem is a "feature", not a "bug".  That's marginally acceptable in my PC, but not in my digestive tract.

    We've already seen some of the processed food industry's previous bugs in terms of high carb, high sodium, high fat, low nutrition foods.  Given a large enough profit motive, I doubt the processed plant protein industry is any holier or more wholesome than any other food processor.

    I love tofu.  Tofu curd bobbing around invitingly in a bowl of sukiyaki is one of my favorite comfort foods.  But I'm pretty sure deep fried tofu (a Japanese favorite) doesn't have much of a wholesomeness edge over deep-fried twinkies.  The health benefits of fake-meat-in-a-can are as much about preparation as anything else.

    The problem never was cows, it was industrial-scale cattle ranching.  My brother's grass-fed cow is more energy efficient than the supply chain necessary to keep him in fake meat for a year, not to mention the year's worth of trips to the grocery store, fake meat packaging, advertising, etc.  Net good is relative to individual situations, and aggregate benefit depends on many, many more factors than merely eating vegetarian vs. eating meat.  For the un-landed, vegetarian makes economic sense.  For small farmers, maybe not so much.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win". Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by DaveinBremerton on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 08:15:10 AM PDT

    •  Fixing this for you: (3+ / 0-)
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      Bill Gates popularized the notion that an unplanned design problem is a "feature" "innovation", not a "bug".

      You can call it "class warfare" -- we call it "common sense"

      by kenlac on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 09:20:13 AM PDT

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      •  So when my Windows 7 computer (1+ / 0-)
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        Stops all programs for a random 20 minute "twirly fit" (aka, the Windows Vista Emulator, where everything freezes and turns white), I get a glimpse of Bill Gates' plan for education.

        I still like the bumper sticker "Windows 95/Mac 87." Too bad nothing runs on a Mac . . .

        Sometimes . . . I feel . . . like a redneck with chopsticks . . . Dreaming of squirrel while I'm sucking down squid . . .

        by Pale Jenova on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 09:32:04 AM PDT

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  •  I'm typically progressive, but (3+ / 0-)
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    they will take away my ribeye steak from my cold dead mouth.

    •  then you're not a true progressive, period. (1+ / 0-)
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      because factory farms brutalize the animals they slaughter.
      and the brutalize the planet with their pollution.
        but you don't care.
      because you just love steak! cool.

      We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

      by Christin on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:31:46 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Please god, keep Bill Gates away from food issues. (1+ / 0-)
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    The first Soylent products will have Bill on the label.

    Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther

    by the fan man on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:31:18 AM PDT

  •  I will gladly eat fake meat (1+ / 0-)
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    Debby

    if it tastes like Windows 7.

    "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

    by kyril on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:53:27 AM PDT

  •  Knowing the future of the Planet (2+ / 0-)
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    of the Billionaires, I think the meal for us masses, will be Soylent Green

    One does not simply walk into Mordor! One invites a gas driller in, and one’s land becomes Mordor. Chris From Balloon Juice

    by Mr Stagger Lee on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 12:51:30 PM PDT

  •  So, it's not enough that Bill (0+ / 0-)

    is fucking up public education. Now he's going to fuck up my supper. Great.

    "Maybe: it's a vicious little word that could slay me"--Sara Bareilles

    by ChurchofBruce on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 05:51:17 PM PDT

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