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In 2006, the Bush administration's Department of Justice carried out an operation in cooperation with Mexican law enforcement. It involved allowing some weapons to be trafficked into Mexico so that Mexican police could intercept the traffickers. It failed miserably, and almost all of the weapons went off the radar as soon as they crossed the border. For that reason, it was almost immediately discontinued.

In 2009, the Obama administration's Department of Justice carried out a similar operation. It was much larger-scale. It did NOT have the cooperation, permission, or even knowledge of the Mexican government. No sane person could think that reviving a flawed operation without the people who were supposed to be on the other end could result in success unless there was a different objective. I won't speculate on what the objective was in this diary. However, arming an insurgent group without the permission of the government is an act of war.

The fact that preventing the US government from committing unprovoked acts of war against Mexico and holding them accountable when they do has become politicized is a sign of exactly what is wrong with the political system of the United States. Neither of the two main parties can escape blame for this, neither was blameless with regard to scandal about twenty years ago that involved arms smuggling, and both parties acted in an absolutely disgusting manner in both cases. Regardless of the good things that Eric Holder has done, he's committed a very serious crime (even if he wasn't initially involved, he is guilty due to being involved in the coverup) and should be held accountable by being given free room and board in a taxpayer-funded hotel for the next twenty years.

Because this otherwise unrelated issue has been drawn in to the controversy as a deflection tactic by people like Sharpton, I feel like I should state my views on voter ID laws. I believe that an ID should be required, but it should be a specific ID that is acquired by registering to vote. When you register to vote, you should receive a card with your name, signature, and face on it, and you should have to show that specific card in order to be allowed to vote, not your drivers' license, passport, concealed carry permit, or another form of ID accepted by my state of Virginia or any other state. The photography and card-printing fees should be paid for entirely through income taxes, including a few higher tax brackets than what we have, as well as money that could otherwise be funneled into enforcing drug laws and padding the wallets of those in the private prison industry.

Originally posted to hagagaga on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 12:00 AM PDT.

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  •  LOL (9+ / 0-)

    First of all, Wide Receiver was one of three gun tracking operations that was run under the Bush administration.
    Secondly, Fast and Furious was a gun tracking operation- the only guns that were sold through an ATF agent, was done by an agent named Dodson, who did so without permission or even the knowledge of his superiors.

    On June 1, Dodson used $2,500 in ATF funds to purchase six AK Draco pistols from local gun dealers, and gave these to Fernandez, who reimbursed him and gave him $700 for his efforts. Two days later, according to case records, Dodson—who would later testify that in his previous experience, "if even one [gun] got away from us, nobody went home until we found it"—left on a scheduled vacation without interdicting the guns. That day, Voth wrote to remind him that money collected as evidence needed to be vouchered within five days. Dodson e-mailed back, his sarcasm fully restored: "Do the orders define a 'day'? Is it; a calendar day? A business day or work day….? An Earth day (because a day on Venus takes 243 Earth days which would mean that I have plenty of time)?"
    The guns were never recovered, the case was later closed, and Fernandez was never charged. By any definition, it was gun walking of the most egregious sort: a government agent using taxpayer money to deliver guns to bad guys and then failing to intercept them.

    You are woefully uninformed.

    Read the link above and delete this diary.

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 04:07:14 AM PDT

  •  Repeating Right-Wing Fabrications (6+ / 0-)

    Please stop. You are just repeating the fabrications of the right-wing lunatics here. The actual truth of the 'Fast and Furious' operation is almost completely opposite of what's been alleged.

    Quite simply, there's a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.
    If anyone is responsible for these guns getting into the hands of Mexican criminals, it's the State of Arizona.
    •  Who speaks for the dead? (1+ / 0-)
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      Two American border agents were murdered with weapons sold through the F & F program.

      The Mexican government alleges that between 200 - 1000 Mexicans have been killed with these weapons so far.

      Among the weapons sold were high powered, high tech .50 calibre sniper rifles that can kill from a kilometer distance.

      This is not just politics and to treat this as "only" based on the GOP desire to embarass the President.  The fact that 20-30 Democrats are expected to cross party lines in holding Eric Holder in contempt would seem to give lie to that.

      This "operation" cannot be blamed on Bush the Lesser - it began in 2009, when its predecessor was deemed a failure despite far more stingent controls and the active knowledge and cooperation of the Mexican government.

      I don't care if Issa stole a car last week, let alone in 1972.

      I don't care if the outcome is embarrasing to Bush, Obama, Holder or Santa Claus.

      The truth needs to come out and if the President & the Administration are clean that's great. And if they covered it up they deserve to go to jail.

      The victim here isn't Eric Holder and the dead deserve their just due.

      •  Really? (5+ / 0-)

        As to the claims that the ATF let the guns walk?

        According to Rep. Issa's congressional committee, Group VII had enough evidence to make arrests and close the case then.

        Prosecutors: Transferring guns is legal in Arizona

        This was not the view of federal prosecutors. In a meeting on Jan. 5, 2010, Emory Hurley, the assistant U.S. Attorney in Phoenix overseeing the Fast and Furious case, told the agents they lacked probable cause for arrests, according to ATF records.

        The federal prosecutors there did not consider the purchase of a huge volume of guns, or their handoff to a third party,  sufficient evidence to seize them. A buyer who certified that the guns were for himself, then handed them off minutes later, hadn't necessarily lied and was free to change his mind. Even if a suspect bought 10 guns that were recovered days later at a Mexican crime scene, this didn't mean the initial purchase had been illegal.
        The guns that were recovered at the site where Brian Terry was killed and supposedly allowed to walk by the ATF?
        (on) Saturday, Jaime Avila, a transient, admitted methamphetamine user, bought three WASR-10 rifles at the Lone Wolf Trading Company in Glendale, Ariz. The next day, (Sunday) a helpful Lone Wolf employee faxed Avila's purchase form to ATF to flag the suspicious activity. It was the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday weekend, so the agents didn't receive the fax until Tuesday, according to a contemporaneous case report. By that time, the legally purchased guns had been gone for three days. The agents had never seen the weapons and had no chance to seize them. But they entered the serial numbers into their gun database. Two of these were later recovered at Brian Terry's murder scene.
        Bolding and italic comments added by me.

        Are you so willing to overlook evidence in order to hit on the Obama administration?

        If you play Microsoft CD's backwards, you hear satanic things, but that's nothing, because if you play them forwards, they install Windows.

        by Unit Zero on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 11:22:27 AM PDT

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      •  THERE WERE NO GUNS SOLD (4+ / 0-)

        through F&F, except by a rogue agent- one time.

        These guns are legally sold by any of the 853 legally licensed gun dealers in the Phoenix area, thanks to lax and non-existent gun regulation in the state of Arizona.
        According to the author of the Fortune Magazine piece, one gun shop in Phoenix has a sign in their window:

        One AK-47 per customer per day
        These are legal sales of guns. What the ATF was doing was trying to catch the straw purchasers who buy the guns for the cartels in Mexico.
        I will tell you what I told the diarist- you are woefully uninformed.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Thu Jun 28, 2012 at 01:28:01 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  To PSzymeczek (0+ / 0-)

    I don't know who you are. Not only did you hiderate the Tip Jar comment without an explanation, there was nothing to fucking it for. Maybe you should learn the rules of this website before hiderating (I admit that such a statement is somewhat hypocritical considering my conduct a few months ago, but it's still good advice).

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