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Originally posted to Comics on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 06:00 AM PDT.

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  •  Some nutrition information: (6+ / 0-)

    USDA recommends no more than 25 grams of added sugar PER DAY in your diet.  

    One seven ounce can of Coca-Cola has 27 grams.

    That's like eating almost 10 sugar cubes.

    Bloomberg is loony, but he does see the dangers of such drinks.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 06:20:03 AM PDT

    •  I'm not sure that's the argument (13+ / 0-)

      people who are against this type of law are making.  One can't make a logical case that soda is good for you.  Yes, we know it isn't.  But the question, is where do you draw the line on personal freedom - Both to live and to die the way you would choose?

      I limit my consumption of meat for health reasons because I understand it's better for me and I've made a choice to be healthy, but I don't feel the need to make it a law to limit someone else's consumption or legislate their lifestyle choices.  Personally I am fearful of a government who doesn't want to put ANY regulations on corporations or financial institutions but chooses to spend their time writing laws restricting what I can put in my mouth.  

      Be still when you have nothing to say; when geniune passion moves you, say what you've got to say... and say it hot. - D. H. Lawrence

      by LucyMO on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:13:00 AM PDT

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      •  The law doesn't tell you what you can and can't (4+ / 0-)

        drink.

        It tells vendors what they can and can't sell. There's a big difference there - the state does have a compelling interest in limiting the sales of poisonous substances to people. And sugar is a chronic toxin.

        Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

        by Robobagpiper on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:21:13 AM PDT

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        •  Because (4+ / 0-)
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          milkbone, zinger99, stevemb, nota bene

          the state knows better than I do about how much soda my body can reasonably handle and therefore how much I can/should purchase.

        •  How is this not an argument (3+ / 0-)

          that could be the exact one made to start prohibition again? If you can't sell it, you're telling me I can't put it in my body.

          Be still when you have nothing to say; when geniune passion moves you, say what you've got to say... and say it hot. - D. H. Lawrence

          by LucyMO on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:11:44 AM PDT

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          •  You can always make your own. (2+ / 0-)
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            noemie maxwell, Dirtandiron

            Governments have always had the power to regulate economic activity in ways it can't economic activity.

            In any event, yours is a poor analogy. A more apt analogy would be forbidding bars - for reasons of public health and safety - to sell hard liquor in container sizes larger than a glass, which, as it happens, is generally the law everywhere. You can still get the 1.5 liter jug of cheap whisky at a liquor store, just as you can still get a 2 liter bottle of soda at the grocery store.

            Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

            by Robobagpiper on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:16:17 AM PDT

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            •  Ugh, need an editor (0+ / 0-)

              Governments have always had the power to regulate economic activity in ways it can't private non-economic activity.

              Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

              by Robobagpiper on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:16:45 AM PDT

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            •  The difference is (3+ / 0-)
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              zinger99, stevemb, nota bene

              All the soda in the world will not impair my ability to drive my car home.

              We regulate alcohol because alcohol makes people do stupid irresponsible things. Soda just makes you fat.

              "Maybe: it's a vicious little word that could slay me"--Sara Bareilles

              by ChurchofBruce on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:38:09 AM PDT

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              •  We don't regulate toxic additives in food? (2+ / 0-)
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                No Exit, noemie maxwell

                Sugar is a chronic toxin.

                Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

                by Robobagpiper on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:44:18 AM PDT

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                •  But if the "toxicity" is the argument, (1+ / 0-)
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                  m00finsan

                  why are we saying vendors can't sell it, why not just tell all food companies not to use/make things that are toxic?  I agree our food supply is terrifying when it comes to additives and things the general public has NO idea about, so why not change those laws instead of some arbitrary law governing whether or not I get to drink/eat something legal in certain quantities?

                  Be still when you have nothing to say; when geniune passion moves you, say what you've got to say... and say it hot. - D. H. Lawrence

                  by LucyMO on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:53:40 AM PDT

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                  •  Again, it's not a law about what you can eat. (1+ / 0-)
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                    rbird

                    It's a law about what certain kinds of vendor can sell; specifically, how much. We have all sorts of laws limiting what companies can sell, for reasons of public health and safety. This is nothing new, and it is not arbitrary.

                    It seems new because we have been told that sugar is more or less benign. It is not.

                    Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

                    by Robobagpiper on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:59:03 AM PDT

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              •  Tell ya what: watch this, and then tell (2+ / 0-)
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                No Exit, noemie maxwell

                me sugar isn't a toxic food additive, and doesn't need to be regulated:

                Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

                by Robobagpiper on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:46:09 AM PDT

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              •  Yeah, getting fat isn't irresponsible if self- (0+ / 0-)

                inflicted.

                •  It's my heart attack. (0+ / 0-)

                  Alcohol, on the other hand....

                  There was a big news story in my parts the other week. A drunk-off-her-ass woman plowed her car into the back of a flatbed at 2 AM about a mile from my house, killing her passenger--a 19-year-old kid who, I found out later, is actually my second cousin once removed or something.

                  If this woman had drunk herself into three times the legal limit and just killed herself, would it have even made the newspaper? Well, maybe on the police blotter page. Not on the front page.

                  Again, my obesity is only a danger to ME. That's the difference.

                  "Maybe: it's a vicious little word that could slay me"--Sara Bareilles

                  by ChurchofBruce on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 09:53:24 AM PDT

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          •  Absurd (2+ / 0-)
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            Robobagpiper, Dirtandiron

            You can walk into any supermarket in New York City and buy a two liter bottle of any soda you want, and proceed to drink the whole damn thing if you want to.

            There's a huge difference between saying that certain
            vendors can't sell certain products in certain quantities and saying that nobody can sell or buy a product at any time in any quantity.

            Restriction & regulation are not prohibition.  Especially when addictive and potentially toxic substances are involved.

            You can't buy beer off a street vendor, right?  How is this different?

            "Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand." - Mark Twain

            by GrimReefa on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:35:07 AM PDT

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        •  it's not poison (1+ / 0-)
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          varro

          you sound hilarious when you call sugar (in any form) a poison. It's hyperbole.

          To hell with repeal-and-replace. The president should run on maintain-and-improve.--Pierce

          by nota bene on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:56:44 PM PDT

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          •  Hepatic fructose metabolism has the same long-term (0+ / 0-)

            negative effects as alcohol. Any substance that, chronically used, causes type-2 diabetes, hypertension, obesity, and early death is a poison. A chronic one, not acute, mind you, but a poison nonetheless.

            Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

            by Robobagpiper on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:01:00 PM PDT

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            •  oh, well (1+ / 0-)
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              SixSixSix

              it's a "chronic" toxin, that changes everything....

              I'm not a tobacco smoker, but this reminds me of the creeping restrictions on smoking. All-out prohibition is clearly a political non-starter, so the idea is to arbitrarily maximize the expense and hassle.

              To hell with repeal-and-replace. The president should run on maintain-and-improve.--Pierce

              by nota bene on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:14:30 PM PDT

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      •  More will be coming with universal healthcare (2+ / 0-)
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        psilocynic, kefauver

        access, and rightly so. I'd prefer to pay an extra tax on soda vs paying for an extra prosthetic for a self-inflicted diabetic.

      •  lol. (0+ / 0-)

        Personal freedom. Too funny.

        Lo que separa la civilizacion de la anarquia son solo siete comidas.

        by psilocynic on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:40:24 AM PDT

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    •  They Sell Coca-Cola in 7 oz. Cans Now? (0+ / 0-)

      Weird.

      Obamacare is upheld by the SCOTUS. Time for some Kossacks to eat a plate of crow.

      by kefauver on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:06:13 AM PDT

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    •  Not true (2+ / 0-)
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      Dem in the heart of Texas, varro

      Sugar cubes are made of sucrose (table sugar). Coca Cola has zero sucrose in it. It has 'sugars' in the form of high fructose corn syrup, which is harder to digest, and contributes more to obesity than sucrose. Bloomberg would be better off going after HFCS just like he did Trans Fats.

      I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

      by jhecht on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:32:00 AM PDT

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      •  When it comes to calories, etc. sugar is sugar. (1+ / 0-)
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        lotusmaglite

        Breaking down the chemical structure and the effects is another set of issues.

        "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

        by zenbassoon on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:08:28 AM PDT

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      •  He DID go after HFCS. (0+ / 0-)

        'Cos that's what's in soda, as you just said.

      •  Link? (0+ / 0-)

        I want to see the study that says metabolizing fructose and sucrose is harder than metabolizing fructose and sucrose.

        This is the problem with demonizing HFCS as if it's worse than sugar. They are both bad for you. There is an entire line of products now being marketed to people terrified of evil HFCS, trumpeting the fact that they contain natural, real, good sugar, and people are eating it up and getting just as unhealthy as they were when they were eating HFCS.

        The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

        by lotusmaglite on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:17:22 PM PDT

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      •  Correction from my previous: (0+ / 0-)

        Fructose and glucose, not sucrose. Fructose and glucose make sucrose. Sucrose is just a convenient way of referring to the disaccharide made by bonding fructose and glucose.

        Yes, there is technically no "sucrose" in products sweetened by HFCS, but it's a bit like saying there is no sucrose in cooked sugar, because cooking it breaks the bond, leaving fructose and glucose.

        Again, I'd like to see the study that says the body has a harder time metabolizing fructose and glucose than it does fructose and glucose. That would be a pretty controversial study.

        The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

        by lotusmaglite on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 06:41:09 PM PDT

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  •  Anyone who has ever been wedged between (2+ / 1-)
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    varro

    two sweaty fatsos on a NYC subway train for any period of time, should fully support Bloomberg's campaign.

  •  Speaking of Bloomberg, how about a cartoon (5+ / 0-)
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    catwho, zinger99, varro, stevemb, nota bene

    about Adrian Schoolcraft?

    He was a police officer who had accurately reported wrongdoing by his supervisors, and who had left work an hour early the previous day. The very people he implicated — and who knew that he had — decided that his early departure and failure to answer the telephone constituted a psychiatric emergency. Led by a deputy chief and a deputy inspector, officers raided his apartment and brought him in cuffs to the psychiatric emergency room. Throughout the encounter in his home, which was secretly captured on audiotape, Officer Schoolcraft sounds calm, and not like a threat to anyone. His suit claims that the hospitalization, which lasted six days, was meant to shut him up.
    “While the police may bring someone who is potentially at risk to themselves or others to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation, they have no say over who is admitted or for how long,” Frank Barry, a spokesman for Mr. Bloomberg, said this week. “That’s up to the mental health professionals at the hospital.”
    This is just one example of NYC police department corruption under Bloomberg, which his actions (and/or lack of actions) condone.
    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    Mitt Romney = Draco Malfoy

    by ubertar on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:25:53 AM PDT

  •  *sigh* I try not to wade into (2+ / 0-)
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    psilocynic, Methinks They Lie

    issues like this, but mocking this policy can be veiwed as a right-wing meme about "government overreach."

    This is another of those multiple, overlapping ironies things.

  •  The drink police! (4+ / 0-)
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    milkbone, m00finsan, zinger99, stevemb

    My question:  Do they like donuts?

    Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:43:52 AM PDT

  •  I really like the (5+ / 0-)
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    kefauver, koosah, m00finsan, varro, Larin

    vintage, worn cover comic book effect. Excellent drawing!

    The people have spoken and they're both named Koch. - Andy Borowitz

    by Red Bean on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:50:55 AM PDT

  •  I plan to have 2 doughnuts later today, (2+ / 0-)
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    zinger99, stevemb

    if I can get the Mayor's permission.


    The Internet is just the tail of the Corporate Media dog.

    by Jim P on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:16:02 AM PDT

  •  Sweet EC Comics Cover Swipe. (1+ / 0-)
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    jhecht

    Probably my favorite Golden Age comics.

    Obamacare is upheld by the SCOTUS. Time for some Kossacks to eat a plate of crow.

    by kefauver on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:19:08 AM PDT

  •  As someone who drinks a lot of soda... (2+ / 0-)
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    Methinks They Lie, mjfgates

    I got no problem with this law.  It's unhealthy & addictive, and I wish I drank less.  Call it a nanny state if you want to, I think it's the government regulating the sale of a potentially dangerous substance.

    "Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand." - Mark Twain

    by GrimReefa on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:25:36 AM PDT

  •  Libertarian Hogwash suitable for Redstate (1+ / 0-)
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    Methinks They Lie

    Why don't you show some alcoholic drinking rubbing alcohol? What's next portraying truant officers as Nazis?
    Too dumb  for DKos.

  •  Stupid. (1+ / 0-)
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    revbludge

    Talk about overblown scare tactics most likely seen on Fox Nuts.

    Great job Boors! Next week we'll expect a comic on the Obama administration taking away all "teh GUNS!!!!"

    (rolls eyes)

    Time to revisit our comics contributors?

  •  Hilarious comic (6+ / 0-)

    I kind of agree--the soda ban is kind of stupid.

    Cops in thongs though. hmm. lol.

    Rape apologia among progressives (well, anybody) is so very disturbing.

    by terrypinder on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:48:58 AM PDT

  •  Freedoms jest another word for 300 lbs to lose.... (1+ / 0-)
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    mjfgates

    Yeehaw!

  •  I agree with Matt completely (10+ / 0-)

    I am a liberal in almost every respect but I do get tired of this nanny-state business. It's just like all the Tipper Gore crap from the 80s about what kids should or shouldn't listen to, why don't we let parents decide what is appropriate?

    I do agree that soda is generally horrible for you, but I don't think the government should step in to prevent people from purchasing large sizes or generally things that are bad for you.

    We should simply have the liberty to decide for ourselves what we want to put into our own bodies. Be that marijuana, donuts or large-size sodas.

    I also think there is a better way to address this problem. Let's follow Michelle Obama's example and start educating our children about good nutrition, improve access to grocery store with healthy foods in "food desserts." Let's require strict labeling of products so that we know what we're eating. Let's get rid of subsidies for corn and add subsidies for fruits and vegetables to make those a much cheaper option for people. I would even be for adjusting insurance rates higher for individuals who continually refuse to live healthy lifestyles at the expense of our healthcare system.

    But let's not prevent Americans from deciding for themselves what they want to consume.

  •  kinda has a Kelly (Onion) flavor to it (0+ / 0-)

    Was that intentional?  All you need is the artist's pissed-off caricature in the corner and a weeping Statue of Liberty somewhere off to the side.

  •  This is funny! I like the Obesity Police (1+ / 0-)
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    zinger99

    in Speedos, too. It's so silly.

  •  Should have banned HFCS... (0+ / 0-)

    ....my experience with Pepsi Throwback and Mexican pop is that real sugar satisfies....I usually don't want more than half a 20-oz bottle or a 12-oz bottle or can.

    Real sugar has a crisp, satisfying taste that HFCS doesn't approximate.

    9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

    by varro on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:26:38 PM PDT

    •  Taste (0+ / 0-)

      ...is not a reason to ban HFCS and leave sugar unmolested. If you prefer the taste of sugar, buy sugar. But it's not better for you than HFCS.

      Once the chemical bond in sugar is broken, it is indistinguishable from HFCS. Both are made from the monosaccharides fructose and glucose, and the only difference is in sugar, they are bonded into the disaccharide sucrose.

      You may prefer the taste of sugar, but your body cannot distinguish the difference between fructose and glucose from sugar and fructose and glucose from HFCS.

      The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

      by lotusmaglite on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 06:47:35 PM PDT

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