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Dear Chief Justice Roberts,

I am writing to thank you for your ruling in the Affordable Care Act.  I have been following this debate very closely because my family is afflicted with a genetic condition called Polycystic Kidney Disease (PKD) and the pre-existing condition protections are very important to us.  The disease takes many forms and I am one of the lucky ones, but many people in my family are not as fortunate.

I believe your vote to uphold the ACA was an act of personal courage and in this hyperpartisan political environment we have, that is a very rare thing.  I also believe that affordable health care for all is a Christian concept, something many people seem to have lost sight of in all this.  I have been praying and wondering how any good Christian could possibly, through the stroke of a pen, make a decision that would doom many people, literally, to death.  

People like my cousin, who at 47, is in end stage kidney disease and waiting for a kidney transplant.  Those who would be most likely to donate a kidney...his family members...are not able to due to the fact that over 50% of us carry the gene for the disease.   While he waits, he is slowly going broke with outrageously high premiums, high deductibles, and out of pocket costs. There are millions like him, with this disease, or other diseases, that will benefit from this law.  Though not perfect, through the pre-existing condition protections alone, it will save lives and for this I am deeply grateful.

I am sure you also prayed about this decision.  What I have found most heartbreaking is the number of people I have encountered over the past few years, who, though they claimed to be "good Christians", have hatred and spite in their hearts over expanding health care coverage to the unfortunate and those with pre-existing conditions.   It has been a depressing chapter in our nation's history.  It has destroyed a few of my relationships, since this is such a personal issue for me.   And so, when I heard of the ruling, I was also relieved that we can finally put this divisive issue to rest.  

But then, I heard Mr. Romney and the republicans vow to repeal the law, to "kill it dead".  A very poor choice of words, don't you agree, considering the circumstances?   And unfortunately, it appears that though you seem to have followed your conscience (again, such a rare thing!) you will now be the recipient of much anger and even hatred from people who used to admire you.  Already you must be feeling the sting of right-wing vitriol.  Believe me, I know, it can be vicious.  But my guess is you knew what was coming. One decision, so many consequences.  

I am under no illusions that we will often agree on the many rulings to come.  But today, I am grateful that the Chief Justice of the United States of America has proven to be a man of conviction, character, and Christian benevolence.   One who believes and defends the Rule of Law.  As a daughter, a cousin, a sister, an aunt, and a niece of a PKD patient, you have my eternal gratitude.   May you and your family find peace with this in both the immediate future and the years to come.   Of one thing I am certain though:  history will judge you kindly.  

Originally posted to Fury on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:33 AM PDT.

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  •  Does anyone happen to have Justice Roberts' (5+ / 0-)
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    address?

    Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

    by Fury on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:34:50 AM PDT

    •  The Court: (4+ / 0-)
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      "I'm not writing to make conservatives happy. I want them to hate my opinions. I'm not interested in debating them. I want to stop them." - Steve Gilliard

      by grog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:37:38 AM PDT

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    •  I sent a brief thank you note to this address: (7+ / 0-)

      Chief Justice John Roberts
       Supreme Court of the United States
       One First Street N.E.
       Washington, DC 20543

      And thank you for sending your letter.  Justice Roberts will appreciate it, I'm sure.

      The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

      by ybruti on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:00:12 PM PDT

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      •  A very interesting course of events... (6+ / 0-)

        one day a right wing superstar, the next, enemy of the people.  No dissent allowed in that club!  But mostly I feel sorry for his family.  I think we often don't even think of that.  

        Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

        by Fury on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:36:15 PM PDT

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        •  SCOTUS justices (1+ / 0-)
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          Are seen (subconsciously) as "above the people". They are not individuals, but monotonous entities that serve "the law". For this reason, the judiciary receives the least media attention of the three branches; since the President and Congress serve "the people", they are supposed to be close to "the people". Unlike politicians, you never hear about justices' families or personal lives (Clarence Thomas is an exception for obvious reasons).

          Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

          by MrAnon on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:23:44 PM PDT

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        •  You know I was thinking (1+ / 0-)
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          that most of the American people seem to like Justice Roberts, and this whole bent by the right wing to attack him, go after him, might just backfire on them all. All the talk of "traitor", Michael Savage saying his medicine, that no one knows if he takes any, makes him slow and unable to process information. Calling him poltical and not branding Scalia and Thomas the same. So much hate focused against Justice Roberts, who I think was trying to do the right thing, make the right call. I am thinking "backlash", at least that is what I am hoping.

          •  You are so wrong... (0+ / 0-)

            Roberts made the cynical call.  if he wanted to make the right call he would have supported the commerce clause argument and not the this is not a tax, but then it is.  This is the same Roberts of Citizens United.  Have you forgotten?  This slavish rhetoric in support of this cynical decision is disturbing.

            •  I have not forgotten he was the same person who (1+ / 0-)
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              gave us Citizens United, and I doubt he made this decision any differntly, he is pro-corporations and as much as the American people benefit from this bill, so to does the health insurance industry. So I am not kidding myself. There was too much opposition from Scalia, Alito, Kennedy and Thomas as far as declaring it constitutional based on the commerce clause. Do I need to remind you of the "broccolli" argument? I honestly don't care why he decided the way he did, he did and the bill is now Constitutional and that is fine with me. I have heard far too many opinions on both our side and on the right about his decision, but he is the Cheif Justice of the Supreme Court and they are not. What are they going to do bring up another case, the right wing vs. John Roberts, I don't think so. What I am saying is I seriously think people like him, he is not hateful like Scalia or Alito. I am also basing my comment on a poll I saw that 46% agree with this decision vs. 46% who oppose it. Just the day before the decision was reached when they polled ACA, those who approved of it was about 35%, what changed, the decision by the Roberts court, I conclude there is some respect for him in order for the poll number to increase.

    •  The address is (2+ / 0-)
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      Justice (or Chief Justice) (Justice's Full Name)
        Supreme Court of the United States
        One First Street N.E.
        Washington, DC 20543

      Throw in a some love for Justices Breyer, Sotamayor, Ginsburg, and Kagan as well.

  •  Why isn't your cousin on Medicare? (5+ / 0-)

    People with end-stage renal disease qualify for Medicare despite their age.

    •  He's in the process of completing the paperwork (7+ / 0-)

      but in the meantime we had to set up a fund for him because of the already incurred expenses and his inability to work on a regular basis.  He might qualify for SS DI as well?

      Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

      by Fury on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:49:52 AM PDT

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      •  P.S. The same medicare and SSDI that is also (11+ / 0-)

        under attack by the right.  I'm always wondering:  don't these people have any family or friends of their own who need assistance?  Who have illness and misfortune and need a helping hand from strangers now and then?  What kind of bubble do they live in?

        Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

        by Fury on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:53:56 AM PDT

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        •  In a word, NO, and if they did, they taught (4+ / 0-)
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          them how to milk the system. Just as Bachaman and her husband have taken thousands if not millions of dollars from the Federal government for their bogus pray away the gay program, they inform family and friends how to do exactly the same.

          •  It is fascinating, isn't it? I know Ron Paul (3+ / 0-)

            supporters who decry taxes and social programs and are on Medicare,  SSDI, or medicaid.  And no amount of information or education will shake them.  In fact, if you even try they might get violent!

            Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

            by Fury on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:21:14 AM PDT

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            •  When this happens (3+ / 0-)
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              is it ignorance, or selfishness?  

              Too Informed to Vote Republican

              by disastertothewench on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:19:53 PM PDT

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              •  Both. So many people really do not have a clue (2+ / 0-)
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                that these programs are government programs.  But then again, when they listen to talk radio or Fox, they'll never find that out, will they?  What's really astounding is that no amount of explanation will change their minds.  Must be horrible to be married to someone like that!

                Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

                by Fury on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:39:30 PM PDT

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            •  Three words on that (4+ / 0-)
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              Joe the Plumber. Hates these social programs, but until the President made him a media star he was collecting evey dime he could and not paying his back taxes either. Liberitarian my ass.

              •  I don't even think most of them know what the hell (3+ / 0-)
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                "libertarian" means.  They're digging their own graves.  My husband is a financial planner and even the most educated, upper income people do not save enough money for retirement.  Woe is us if they get their way with medicare and social security.

                Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

                by Fury on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:42:58 PM PDT

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                •  It is not easy to save for your retirement when (4+ / 0-)
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                  you are trying to raise a family, there are prioritories. In my home, retirement savings were low on that list.  We actually figured, we had our home, and the equity in it, when we retired we would sell it. For 25 years my husband worked for a company that offered a retirement plan, they paid into it, and although we almost lost it all, that is our retirement plan. We had two children who we helped put throught school, and paid for their weddings, not so much left over to save for retirement.

                •  I have recently been astounded to learn that a (2+ / 0-)
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                  very close relative, who had consulted a financial planner over 5 years ago and realized she and hubby were not putting enough away, still went on to spend a really large amount of money on fancy house renovations, high end cars and club memberships. They didn't put what he recommended into retirement savings OR into a college fund for their only child.

                  When she lost her job the catastrophe was paying for the kid's tuition, room and board. No loans. And a student who spent more time goofing off and drinking than studying.

                  I appreciate the effort and tone of your letter. Very well done and deserved.

                  "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

                  by Ginny in CO on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:26:24 PM PDT

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                  •  There are several issues at play: (3+ / 0-)
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                    Many, if not most, simply do not have enough funds left over after healthcare, tuition, braces, food and lodging to save enough.  They might save, but don't realize just how much it takes.  Then it takes willpower.  We, as humans, just have a bad habit of putting off until tomorrow.  Then, on top of it all we have a corrupt system...buyer beware when it comes to choosing a financial planner.  We must have medicare and social security.  Unless we want to see elder poverty increase and life expectancy decrease.  

                    Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

                    by Fury on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:42:12 PM PDT

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                    •  The problems the majority face are (1+ / 0-)
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                      understandable. Been in that bracket. I was referencing your point that

                      even the most educated, upper income people do not save enough money for retirement.
                      There are a few in that bracket who have enough kids to wipe out much laying away for retirement.  

                      Seems like a lot are just as focused as many at lower income levels to spend on consumption for pleasure first rather than savings for retirement. The fault is also in the overwhelming financial ad campaigns for low interest credit cards, equity loans and the vendors selling products to push the importance of owning the latest and greatest. The virtue of savings for earlier generations went into the trash dumps with all the old funky stuff and the packaging for new goods.

                      "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

                      by Ginny in CO on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:52:38 PM PDT

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        •  Of course they do. (0+ / 0-)

          But their family and friends are 'different' somehow, more deserving. When it comes to any type of social welfare, they are the first up to scream that their friend and family paid into it, they paid taxes, they are entitled. Kind of explains their love for the oh so entitled Mittens.

        •  They don't feel it's the same (2+ / 0-)
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          It's the same mindset that says "My daughter's abortion is necessary, yours is because your daughter's a whore."  It's the same mindset that says my farm subsidy helps me stay in business but YOURS is a handout.  Those who are on the downslide of the economy want to feel that they're not like THOSE people (fill in "THOSE" with hated group of choice -- poor, immigrant, sexually active) and that what they get is deserved, unlike those OTHER people.

          http://brilliantatbreakfast.blogspot.com Stomping monsters since 2004

          by hackwriter on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 03:40:10 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, ESRD is, in fact, the ONLY disease (1+ / 0-)
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        which automatically qualifies you for SSDI.

        My husband was on dialysis for the last two years of his life.

        ((((((((((((((((((((Fury and your family))))))))))))))))))))  I will keep you all in my thoughts, and in my prayers if that is okay. May there be donors.

                                Hugs,
                                Heather

        Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

        by Chacounne on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:35:07 PM PDT

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  •  Romney in his own words (3+ / 0-)
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    Say he would pick  judges in the mold of  "John Roberts" this until itself should  give Obama immunity from Roberts majority ACA ruling,  http://www.mittromney.com/...

  •  nit (2+ / 0-)
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    >And unfortunately, it seems that though you seem to have followed your conscience

    I would change "seems" to "appears" so you don't have seems/seem.

  •  I am moved (4+ / 0-)
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    By your letter.

    Personally I dont think religion had anything to do with it.

    I think the CJ just took a broad long term view of the National ramifications of undoing the pillar of the ACA and he could come only to one conclusion (knowing very well how the other 4 rascals would vote)

    Chris Mathews said it well yesterday.

    •  Roberts was guided by the principle (6+ / 0-)

      of judicial restraint in this case, according to an
      editorial in the Fresno BEE today:

      In upholding the law passed by Congress and signed by the president in March 2010, Chief Justice Roberts wrote an elegant opinion on judicial restraint, properly understood. Roberts made it clear that the court should allow the people of the United States through their elected branches to make decisions: “Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them.”

      Roberts concluded: “It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

      The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

      by ybruti on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:07:59 PM PDT

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      •  Of course, I had read that with a cynical (3+ / 0-)
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        mind. Psst: conservatives, you just have to vote them out of office to get this changed.

        The comment was, as the BEE and Scotusblog noted, consistent with proper judicial restraint and his prior comments on that - I think during confirmation hearings.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:37:20 PM PDT

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      •  Are you out of your mind.... (0+ / 0-)

        Roberts was motivated by the same motivations he exhibited in Citizens United.  he just punted the ACA to the 2012 election and got his chiefly justice ass offf the hooks for those seeking to believe (without any foundations whatsoever) that the courst is non-partisan.  Get a clue people, this is a cynical ruling by a master of bullshit.  

        •  Comments suggesting mental illness are (1+ / 0-)
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          worthy of donuts.

          I stated my cynical reaction, which the subsequent comment did not negate.

          I did NOT talk of his motivation, I agreed that what he put on paper was consistent with judicial restraint. If you disagree with that, say so.

          For a more detailed response to your pattern of rude, inarticulate and inappropriate comments,

           see my comment here.

          Noted that since joining 11/06 you have made 241 comments total. 12 of them in this diary. Are you ok?

          "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

          by Ginny in CO on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 10:38:05 PM PDT

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    •  Well, I was actually trying to make a point about (2+ / 0-)
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      religious individuals, in this case the Catholics on the court, refusing to even take a broad term view of the national ramiifications of it.  Their ideology trumps their compassion for their fellow man, woman, and child (that must be born!)

      Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

      by Fury on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:46:24 PM PDT

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  •  We have no family history (3+ / 0-)
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    ...but I have been diagnosed with PKD.  The diagnosis was written down, but not spoken to me in the midst of an unrelated health trauma I was not expected to survive.  I did survive, and my intuition screamed at me to order the hospital records where I found this strange term.  I had to look up the disease on the toobz because I did not have the first clue about it.  Then my primary care doc fired me for having looked up a disease on the web (which, other than the absurdity of the outrage, was fine - I've had better care since he was removed from my team).  Although I'm not actually convinced they have the diagnosis correct (and I've had a small handful of nephrologists), my kids are cyst-filled and compromised to some degree.  But I also have cysts in too many places to be consistent with PKD, and my renal function actually recovered some after a bit of a plunge, and of course recovery generally never happens for PKD patients, so I try to watch out for my kids and not worry excessively.

    Blessings to you and yours.  Good letter.  Great cause.  May you all live long and fulfilled lives.

    "For what profit a man, if he gain the world, but has to pay taxes on it?" -ontheleftcoast, The Book of Paul

    by MsGrin on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:47:33 AM PDT

    •  Actually it does sound like PKD to me, because as (0+ / 0-)

      I wrote above, it takes different courses in different people.  The cysts can sometimes gravitate to other organs as well.  It is a progressive disease and from what I have read and researched, the best way to slow the progression is by keeping your blood pressure under control.  There is no cure at this time.  Also keep yourself well hydrated, or you will develop complications from dehydration.  On the up side though, my Dad has it and he's 83 years old and has had very few complications from it.  So, there is just no telling.  Up until now, it was best not to have it in your medical charts though, for reasons related to pre-existing conditions.  Also, very few primary care physicians seem to know much about it.

      Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

      by Fury on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:53:53 PM PDT

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  •  Uhh, I Get It, But (1+ / 0-)
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    The ACA is not fully implemented until- when? 2014?

    Let's see what the insurance companies do, what the hospitals do, what employers who offer health insurance as a benefit do, what the health exchanges are about, and what people do who don't think they have to be part of the system

    "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:42:37 PM PDT

    •  Meanwhile, positive support is important (2+ / 0-)
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      feedback for doing something right that is not well received. Especially when it is your theoretical enemies who thank and praise you while your friends curse - loud and ugly.

      In the future, in another situation, the support Roberts receives now may well provide incentive and insight into doing his job well, despite the inevitable conflicts between good justice and ideology, and the uncomfortable initial consequences that can follow.

      As I recall, the record of SCJs over a long period of time is that they often become more impartial over their terms than when first appointed. A very good thing.

      "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

      by Ginny in CO on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:53:36 PM PDT

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      •  you are totally dreaming... (0+ / 0-)

        and wasting a lot of bandwidth.  Roerts of Citizens United is very much alive and well.  Get a clue.

      •  You are insane. (0+ / 1-)
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        this is the same Roberts of Heller and Citizens United.  Have you forgotton so soon?  

        •  Accusations of mental illness are HRatable (1+ / 0-)
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          Get a clue yourself. Remember what Kos boiled courtesy down to: Don't be a d**k. Also read or reread Wee Mama's diary Is it True? Is it Kind? Is it Necessary? Both comments fail all three. I don't have the link and will not look it up for you. It is in her sig line.

          The diary was about living up to our ideals and values, because sometimes that actually does work- it's why they are ideals and values you believe in. AKA, walking your talk. You are also hijacking the tone. Note the diarist recced my comment.

          Asking if I have forgotten CU and Heller so soon indicates you do not recognize me or know my comment history.

          Disclaimer. I have hyper focused ADD and 2 degrees in BS. Nursing and sociology.

          I started paying attention to politics in '60 at 7. I've been GOP, Dem, Libertarian and born again Dukakis Dem since '88.  Because of being brought up entirely in the UU church and by a PhD R&D scientist, I never got a box to think inside of. I read just about everything Ayn Rand ever wrote. There are a few aspects of her philosophy I agree with and a lot I don't. Having read the Jefferson Bible, ~ 1/2 of Genesis, and a very good book on the Bible by chapter in historical context, I agree with a lot of Jesus' basic teachings, none of the mythology.

          I anticipated this era of conflict in the late 60's ~ 14. And the probable time frame.

          I gave up on TV for entertainment and accurate news when I got Internet access in the early 90's. I have long said knowledge is my drug of choice and it's power really is from knowing how to use it - which can be for good and bad. My arguments are based on a lot of non-fiction reading, including history for a long view.

          My parents have been lily white civil rights activists since the late 40's (Both 87 this year). I remember the 4 little girls who got blown up in a church, the march and the UU minister, James Reeb, who went voluntarily to help and was murdered. I remember Wallace standing at the doors of a university and schools, running for president as an avowed segregationist.

          I very clearly remember the day he renounced segregation.

          I gather you don't.

          In the south, more whites are abandoning racism because of Obama. Homophobes are supporting marriage equality because of siblings, children, friends and grandchildren,

          Be slow to give up on the possible because of apparent improbability. It all depends on much time you have and how well you fight. Two of the most powerful weapons are courtesy and respect for the opponent.

          Even the mentally ill respond well to respect for inherent dignity.  Try it.

          "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

          by Ginny in CO on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 10:13:36 PM PDT

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          •  Ginny, thanks for your comments. I have read (0+ / 0-)

            duck's comments and thought that ignoring them was the best course. Maybe you're right and a donut for each of those disruptive comments would have been better.  I didn't realize that disruptive comments were reason for HRs.  Not sure which is the better, but ignoring him did seem to finally get rid of him.  

            Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

            by Fury on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 10:31:38 AM PDT

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            •  Sorry I missed your reply yesterday. (0+ / 0-)

              I often advocate ignore. It just sort of got to me that when someone does walk the talk, it is stupid to cut them down. Or those that support them.

              People do change, they grow, they respond to positive feed back from their enemies.

              I just decided to point out a really classic case of renunciation. Lee Atwater works too. Wallace is better known and for me, a bigger deal even though I define myself as a Dukakis Dem.

              The rules for hide rating are a mix of good and cloudy. Not too surprising. The rule that limits accusations of mental illness is one of the ''sad people have to have a rule for this' ones. Unfortunately Dems also do it. I generally limit HRs to troll situations. I am not sure on the official rules but have my own rule about not giving an HR to a comment made to me. So I lecture ;)

              Comments that create a totally OT thread taking over the diary can be HRd. Kind of a community thing. Some diaries don't offer much to comment on and the side threads can be interesting, and some are just incredibly funny.

              If the diarist wants to stop the OT thread, it is absolutely OK. Kos' blessing. Just put in a reply restating the purpose, etc of the diary and ask the commenter to stop changing the conversation.  

              Example was a diary yesterday on 'Mitt Romney On The Killer Colorado Wildfires'. Early on a commenter brought gun control into it, this was before word got out that a lot of homes were vandalized. The individual has a history of bringing it up at any opportunity and the war starts. Really took over that diary. I try to stay out of them unless the diarist makes a comment.

              Anyway, I really admired the letter, the tone, and the lesson for a lot of people here that if we really want to stop some of the disrespect from the other side, we should not miss an opportunity to show it to them when we honestly feel it. We may not change Roberts or others leading the followers. Independents watching and listening and even some followers do note things like that.

              For me it is ultimately a matter of honesty which I wish we would worship as a race. It would prevent or wipe out so much evil. Thank you for being honest.

              "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

              by Ginny in CO on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 01:22:11 AM PDT

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  •  Just my $0.02 (2+ / 0-)
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    Benevolence is not unique to Christians.  It is, in fact, something that many Christians lack.

    Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress. -Bender B. Rodriguez

    by democracy inaction on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:48:47 PM PDT

    •  democracy inaction: I also agree and it has (2+ / 0-)
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      been my life experience that the best Christians I've encountered are Quakers, and many of the rest are make believe Christians one hour a week.  

      "It took us a couple of days because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." President Barack Obama 3/24/09

      by sfcouple on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:14:16 PM PDT

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      •  Ghandi: (3+ / 0-)
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        I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
        Couldn't have said it better myself.  Yet, every once in a while a true "christian", one who does follow Jesus Christ's teachings, comes along.

        Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

        by Fury on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:37:22 PM PDT

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        •  Ya know.... (2+ / 0-)
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          Yet, every once in a while a true "christian", one who does follow Jesus Christ's teachings, comes along.
          Very true, and in the most unexpected ways, and by the most unexpected people.

          I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

          by Lilyvt on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:59:03 PM PDT

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          •  Roberts does not give a damn for Chriatian... (0+ / 0-)

            values... he cares only for the rich.  period.  This is the same Roberts of Citizens United.  Have you forgotton so soon?  Roberts put his cynical decision into the 2012 election, period.  If he truly supported the constitutionality of the ACA he would have supported the other 4 on the commerce clause argument.  He did not.  roberts is a lying ass.

    •  Agree. As in the case of Scalia and Thomas, so- (1+ / 0-)
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      called Christians, who would have been only so happy to throw the whole bill...along with millions of real, live people, in the trash.  

      Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

      by Fury on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:35:05 PM PDT

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      •  Ugh.... (1+ / 0-)
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        Scalia and Thomas....tweedle dim and tweedle dummer.
        Misanthropic, misynogistic, egotistical buffoons, so besotted with themselves (and their elite godlike loftiness) they've forgotten from whence they came.  And they've forgotten (or politically and ideologue-ishly ignored) that the majority of their fellow Americans are in desperate need of reasonable, affordable, do-able healthcare.  Time to get off the thrones in your exalted towers fellas.
        You may be smarter (or think you are) than many others, bully for you, but that doesn't matter at all.
        The fact is, you poop just like everyone else.  You're nothin' special.

        I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

        by Lilyvt on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 05:20:59 PM PDT

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  •  If he goes completely broke (1+ / 0-)
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    And has no children under  18 years old, then in some states he may still be out of luck.

    Roberts left a loophole for states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion, where they will still get the funding they get now without expanding Medicaid to the child-free poor and others that are near poverty that would have gotten it with the expansion.

    It's a poison pill, designed to hurt the poorest among us.

    Women create the entire labor force.

    by splashy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:41:54 PM PDT

  •  This whole episode of watching and listening to (2+ / 0-)
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    conservative Christians fighting to appeal and overturn this wonderful new law is almost nauseating.

    My wonderful wife was diagnosed with Ovarian Cancer 12 years ago, was fired from her job for missing too much work (By her GOP Boss), and we ended up losing our health insurance.  If not for SS Medicare Disability my wife would no longer be here.  

    And that apparently is just fine with these so-called Christian conservatives...just let my wife die.  I really don't get it and can't understand why anyone would be upset over making health care affordable and available to most Americans.  

    How could these people sit in front of Jesus and justify letting people die by the thousands while claiming to be "pro-life."  I'm not a religious person, but something tells me that if their Jesus existed he would not be impressed.  

    "It took us a couple of days because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." President Barack Obama 3/24/09

    by sfcouple on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:55:02 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for the address (1+ / 0-)
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    I wanted to send him a thank you, as well.
    And equally important to thank our liberal justices, as well.

    •  Do not send a thank you... (0+ / 0-)

      to that cynical bastard, he does not deserve it.  He made the decison he did in full knowledge that the ACA could be repealed based on the 2012 election.  Roberts does not care about you, he only cares about the rich.  this is the same Roberts of the Citizens Untied decision.  Have you forgotoon so soon?

  •  Donating a kidney (1+ / 0-)
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    creates a pre-existing condition and frequently disqualifies you from individual insurance. (If you weren't already disqualified based on the acne you had as a teenager, that is.)

    Grim irony, eh?

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:41:03 PM PDT

  •  You said... (0+ / 0-)

    But today, I am grateful that the Chief Justice of the United States of America has proven to be a man of conviction, character, and Christian benevolence.  

    You dude are a total fool.  Roberts did none of the above.  He cynically voted to let the ACA go to election year politics.  If he truly did as you said he would have supported the ACA on the basis of the commerce clause and not taxation which will go tothe US teap party houe to be repealed as a rejection of a tax.  Damn, I wish americans would pay attention and not just go off on some stupid knee jerk response.

  •  Reading the posts on this thread is truly... (0+ / 0-)

    frightening.  Roberts is still the same Roberts of Citizens United.  Roberts on the ACA is a cynical bastard.  If he truly supported the contituionality of the ACA he would have supported the other 4 on the issue of the commerce clause and not asserted the ACA was not a tax, but then it was.  Roberts punted this into the 2012 election and the possibility of repeal.  If it is not repealed Roberts does not give a damn, he. and his family will still have all the optimal healthcare the US can provide.  Roberts does not give a damn for those who wil benefit from the ACA.  the only thing he cares about is attempting to maintain the legitimacy (not deserved) of the supreme court for the next round of hyper-co0nservative decisions he lknows will be made and that he will support.  Roberts sucks, period.

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