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House GOP leadership plot their tantrum. Speaker John Boehner, Rep. Paul Ryan,
Rep. Jeb Hensarling, Rep. Eric Cantor and Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)
House Republicans are plotting a prolonged temper tantrum in answer to the Supreme Court's decision to uphold the Affordable Care Act. They immediately announced a repeal vote scheduled for July 11. But knowing that their repeal vote dies as soon as it is taken (there's no way it makes it to the floor of the Senate), they're working on another plan: reconciliation.
Republicans are stoking voter anger over the law until Election Day, which they hope will produce a Mitt Romney presidency and an all-Republican Congress. And it ends by employing budget rules that would allow a fast-track repeal with a 51-vote majority in the Senate, circumventing a Democratic minority and potential filibuster. [...]

South Dakota Sen. John Thune, chairman of the Republican Conference, said budget reconciliation could be a “vehicle” for repeal, promising Republicans would make “every attempt” under a GOP Senate majority and Republican White House to do just that.
“I’ve already heard discussions that it can be done through 51 votes in the Senate, which is an easier threshold,” said Washington Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, a member of House GOP leadership and a key Romney adviser.

Just like that, they say. Well, no, it's not just like that.

First, they have to count on extreme voter anger. Then they have to count on that anger driving people to the polls. That's because they'll have to have a trifecta in November in order to make sure that this procedural effort to carve every bit of Obamacare out of existence works: They need a Senate majority and a president that wouldn't veto it. Because of that veto, they don't just need Republican majorities, they need two-thirds majorities.

So here's the plan. They have to manufacture another spectacle like the summer of 2009, when the teabaggers went nuts at town meetings, and a traditional media that is still so enamored of the crazies that they cover them. The Koch brother and FreedomWorks and every other astroturfer will happily be there with their money to make it happen, but they'll be taking a big chance that that just doesn't piss off the rest of the country.

Here's what the rest of the country is going to be thinking. The Supreme Court, the one institution of government that the public still has a modicum of respect for has decided that the ACA is constitutional. Shouldn't that finally settle it? There just aren't that many people out there who think like Sen. Rand Paul, that just because the Supreme Court says something is constitutional doesn't mean it's constitutional. Now, granted, Republicans can count on their most rabid base to buy that, but good luck selling that to swing voters.

And here's what else the rest of the country is going to be thinking: Why in the hell are Republicans still fighting this one when they haven't done a goddamned thing about jobs and the economy in the two years that they've held the House?

So, go for it Republicans. Make the next four months all about your temper tantrum that you couldn't make the Supreme Court do your bidding. That's going to go over really well with all the voters out here.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:59 AM PDT.

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    •  I could be wrong about this (45+ / 0-)

      But I'm thinking everybody but the GOP crazies are ready to just move on.

      Gawd knows I've been wrong before about what the GOP would/could do.

      "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

      by Joan McCarter on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:09:18 AM PDT

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      •  I work with the (24+ / 0-)

        Country Club Republican types with a few Evangelicals sprinkled in and they want to talk about jobs and regulations. However, the crazies seem to drive the train in the GOP most of the time of late. Who knows what they will do.

        The Spice must Flow!

        by Texdude50 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:13:17 AM PDT

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        •  It's the crazies, of course (12+ / 0-)

          There's nothing rational about the Republican base any more.  If there were, we wouldn't be subjected to the stupidity that has been the GOP "leadership" since the Democrats won the majority in 2006 in the House, and especially since "that guy" (thank you, John McCain) won the presidency in 2008.

          "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

          by MikeTheLiberal on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:46:52 AM PDT

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          •  I agree with your first sentence.. (4+ / 0-)
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            I read and read yesterday, blogs all over the place, Tweets, news name it....where ever poeple could voice their opinions. Mostly I heard and read positive reactions...except for republican voters. Holy Moly..they are so stirred up by their leaders that MANY are advocating armed resistance.  They absolutely refuse to consider any other reference except that which they hear from the republican leadership, rush limbaugh and Faux.  Mixed in with their wrath is their belief that President Obama is on his way to their house with a swat team to take their guns away. Again....due to the lies from Issa and the rest of his BS boys.
               I believe one of the most important things for Democrats, Liberal/Progressives to do is push back, attempt to educate about what is in the bill to help them. The next thing is to get on the backs of the blue dogs. Their behavior is unacceptable and should worry us. They are so controlled by the NRA and worried they might offend conservatives that they don't give a damn about the people who elected them and may very well sink the ship. We need to let them know we are mad as hell and not going to take their double-crossing, playing both sides behavior any more!

            Prejudice is a shadowy mist, which in our journey through the world often dims the brightest and obscures the best of all the good and glorious people and objects that meet us on our way. L. Shaftesbury

            by Maggie524 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:33:30 AM PDT

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        •  They are Energizing the Base & It Will Work (10+ / 0-)

          Of course they are going to run against Romney/Obamacare.  It worked in 2010 when it got them control of the House.   Rather than ignoring this unpleasent truth, we need to do something to change the debate.  

          Why some people think that the S/C ruling on whether the law is Constitutional will affect the popularity of the law is beyond me.  We should stop trying to polish this turd and admit to ourselves that most Americans do not want a mandate, and this makes the entire law unpopular.

          Rather than engaging in more turd polishing, we should call the law what it is---Romneycare.  The fact that Romney is out there trying to make repeal of the law he first tried out in Massachusetts the major issue of the campaign shows people he is a world class hypocrite.  

          Plus, it will demoralize the GOP base when they realize the peron who is supposedly leading the charge against the law is the person most responsible of it.

          Romneycare is a turd.  However, it is a turd that can be laid at the feet of its author, Mitt Romney.  Why defend it?  Instead, merely say that Romneycare was started in Massachusetts by Mitt when he was govenor, the people of Massachusetts like it on the whole and that's why Obama used it as his national model.  

          Why get into details?  Why defend it on its merits?  It's Mitt's plan and let him twist himself in knots attacking and/or defending his signature work.        

          •  I'm not sure that (4+ / 0-)
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            Romney is exactly an "energize the base" kind of candidate, however.

            Pavlov, yes...Romney, not so much.

            Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

            by a gilas girl on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:17:41 AM PDT

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          •  Romneycare (5+ / 0-)

            This is a good idea.  People don't understand it, and they don't like it. Calling it Romneycare changes the subject to Candidate etch-a-Sketch and his weathervane views.  

            Every time the president mentions ACA, he could say something like "At the white house we call it "Affordable Care", but if the republicans want to call it something else, they should at least give credit where credit is due and call it "Romneycare"  

          •  disagree that you can't polish that turd (1+ / 0-)
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            the benefits and provisions in the Act affect a whole lot of the uninformed masses.  Our job is to INFORM them what those provisions are every possible way we can, and the Dems who make it onto the MSM venues should shoot down every lie they throw out there--the Rethugs themsleves and the likes Tom Brokaw, Joe Scarboro, David Gregory, George Stenahoweverhellyouspellit, et. al.  These "moderators" are doing some real damage already today.

            The MSM is even more complicit in trying to destroy this legislation than the Koch Brothers and Teabaggers.

            They need to hear from us via Twitter, Facebook, calling and writing the station--whatever-- to keep on them to STOP LYING and MISINFORMING the American people.  

            If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

            by livjack on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:36:54 AM PDT

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            •  Americans Hate the Mandate & Nothing We Say Will (0+ / 0-)

              Change that.  If life gives you lemons, make lemonade.  If Romney give you a health insurance reform plan that Americans don't like, then call it Romneycare.

              •  Start calling the mandate the Slacker Tax or (0+ / 0-)

                Slacker Mandate. I just listened to a psychologist who said that the kind of people who don't like social programs are the kind of people who think the beneficiaries are slackers and not pulling their weight.  

                If you combine "Slacker Tax" with "taking personal responsibility" (another of their dog whistles) and use them often, they may start to see it differently.

                Romneycare is good too. If nothing else, it will confuse the hell out of them.  I'm going to start saying, "Obamacare...Romneycare...whatever you want to call it, it's the same thing."

                If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

                by livjack on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:44:22 PM PDT

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          •  It's not a turd (1+ / 0-)
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            The PPACA, Obamacare, is absolutely the result of compromise and isn't exactly what we on the Progressive Left wanted but it's a damn fine start.  The more one thinks about the environment that Obama had to work in to get what he got in the bill, the more appreciative one becomes over the bill itself. It's amazing we got what we did.

            YES, We always have to keep repeating this mantra: Obamacare is NOT the perfect, be all, end all healthcare reform bill.  But it's a start, and Obama said as much in his speech yesterday.

            But for crying out loud you'd have to be completely deaf and blind and purposefully not paying attention to think it's a turd.  

            It's not a turd, even if you don't like the mandate.  The mandate sucks and it's not how we would like to see healthcare reform implemented, but it's good enough for now and truly effects only a small percentage of the population and as we learned yesterday the fines imposed by not following the mandate don't have any teeth anyway.

            I like calling it Obamacare and I also like constantly harping on how it's based largely on Romneycare and I'll keep defending it until we can get something better (like Single Payer).

            [Terrorists] are a dime a dozen, they are all over the world and for every one we lock up there will be three to take his place. --Digby

            by rabel on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:37:20 AM PDT

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            •  You Miss the Forest Among the Trees (0+ / 0-)

              You can defend the Heritage Foundation's GOP plan from 1992 as a progressive masterpiece all you want.  Good for you.

              However, you can't put that argument on a bumper sticker.  Nor will it twist Romney in knots nor will it demoralize the GOP base and point out that Mitt's a hypocrite.

              People like me who think Romneycare is a turd and people like you who think its the greatest thing since sliced bread need to come togther to fight Romney.  Rather than argue among ourselves and with the GOPers on the merits of Romneycare, laying it at Ronmey's feet is a better idea.

              •  You're a jerk. (0+ / 0-)

                I made it perfectly, absolutely clear that this isn't a "progressive masterpiece" nor "the greatest thing since sliced bread."

                Your response is wrong, you're being an asshole and you've basically proven that you're not paying attention and that you're just an argumentative jerk.

                Good day.

                [Terrorists] are a dime a dozen, they are all over the world and for every one we lock up there will be three to take his place. --Digby

                by rabel on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 08:35:23 AM PDT

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      •  I don't think you are wrong (42+ / 0-)

        Honestly, there are a crapload of people just like me who need to learn about/understand implementing this law in the next 18 months. I joined 200+ other hr people at a seminar 2 mos ago with a rational attorney explaining the ins and outs of the ACA and our responsibilities. The meeting started with 2/3 of the audience eyerolling "Obamacare" and ended with happy, agreeable people saying things like "that's cool" , "wow I didn't know that was a benefit" - now that people HAVE to get educated they are going to like what they see. Even the crazies.

        •  Probably the biggest mistake with ACA was (17+ / 0-)

          not selling it in plain English to the American People.  President Obama used political rhetoric, not much else.  How were we/are we supposed to understand the details?

          Normally, if it's not understood, voters will reject it.  Human behavior is built that way.

          I would be sending out a plain-speaking email explaining the high points of the ACA to everyone.

          4π^3 + π^2 + π

          by Boris49 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:50:00 AM PDT

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          •  He began that process yesterday. (20+ / 0-)

            The President was smart to address the decision by laying out exactly what the ACA brings to us. Now his administration has to keep at it. And keep at it. And keep at it...

            •  There were FIVE articles today in my local paper (2+ / 0-)
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              explaining and plugging the virtues of the ACA, one aimed directly at businessmen with examples, and that paper is usually a republican rag. The other four were also explaining why this is a good thing and reciting not just that it was good but a great deal about how it worked specifically  for employees, and families, and what it cramped the insurance companies about. Waving credits and deductions. And bashing our R governor candidate for opposing it. This is something we can get done if other places started off that way.

              And somebody who knows more than me should write the prototype ACA for Women diary. All I remember for sure is that there has to be at least one policy in the exchange which covers abortion, that all plans must cover maternity as a core element, that contraception has to be in employers' plan unless somebody figures out an alternative that will work such as insurors paying and supplying it,  and that the ACA prohibits charging higher rates to women based on gender.

          •  67% of folks are against ACA by most polls... (2+ / 0-)
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            so you are right Boris 49.  

            •  Against the "ACA" (4+ / 0-)
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              But 80% of even Republicans like the provisions in the ACA.

              Once they understand that those things they overwhelmingly support are actually IN the ACA, support will tip the other way.

              I heard a commercial yesterday about the ACA.  Not an "ad" but a public service commercial about one of its provisions (relating to children), you know, "because of the new health care law, you can now . . . . . . for more details go to www.blah blah."

              Enough of those and people might finally get a fucking clue.

              All of this handwringing is because people (a) hate Obama and/OR (b) don't know what's actually in the bill

              Why is it that a 3% tax increase for the wealthy is considered "socialism" and an 8% wage cut for the middle class is "doing your part"? MartyM

              by delphine on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:39:32 AM PDT

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        •  dems are miserable at messaging (7+ / 0-)

          dismal.  fail.   does not work.

          average americans read on the 6th grade level.

          when will dems get this, and get out there and tell people in plan, simple english, how the democratic party is HELPING them?

          love what the dems do by and large, but the messaging is  not to be believed, it's so bad.

          •  We are going to have to take care of this (2+ / 0-)
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            ourselves. If we don't it may not get done and the GOP could win.

            I started this morning correcting misinformation on an aol/huffpo board. For the thrid time in a third diary in less than an hour I'll say again - we have to step outside the DKos bubble on a regular basis and take the truth about Obamacare to those outside this community.

            And we can start by calling the mandate the Slacker Tax as so cleverly coined by Judeling.

            Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

            by JTinDC on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:22:03 AM PDT

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            •  that is actually a very good idea--spending an (1+ / 0-)
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              hour a day on winger sites and forums just putting the facts out there.  

              If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

              by livjack on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:39:06 AM PDT

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              •  Doesn't even need to be winger sites. Actually, (0+ / 0-)

                probably best to skip winger sites. Most will ban you and most commenters aren't among the gettables.

                Tons of other places tho. And real life face to face conversations as well. A lot people out there don't think politics matters, but all it might take is a single issue for them to see politics do matter a great deal.

                Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

                by JTinDC on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:59:38 AM PDT

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            •  I agree. I didn't see much happiness in my (1+ / 0-)
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              classes today and these are young adults, part of our base. A lot of anger that we need to put to rest.

                I heard so much nonsense and saw so much mis information today that I wanted to scream.   One group actually argued with me that Obama and the SC just raised every in America's taxes by 5 billion dollars.  Kid you not!  Mostly I just heard a lot of people who are under 26, so will greatly benefit from this law....say they were mad that they were going to have to pay for insurance....when most likely they won't pay a dime!

          •  Oy. Average Americans read on a 6th grade level? (1+ / 0-)
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            The president made a bill.
            The president turned the bill into a law.
            The law will be nice to people and keep them healthy.
            See all the nice healthy people.
            Smile, healthy people, smile!

            I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

            by Gentle Giant on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:29:47 AM PDT

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          •  THIS (0+ / 0-)

            The administration, the leadership, all the dems in Congress--House and Senate--failed miserably in communicating what this legislation is.

            I have seen educated and rational people (most of whom don't  watch Faux News) in the last 24 hours figuratively screaming bloody murder on the web that they are now going to lose their insurance, their doctors, and have their taxes raised and get health care at a "government clinic" in return. They really believe that is what the ACA is.

            And you can't tell them otherwise. It isn't even worth trying. The Democrats and the President have until November to fix their initially rotten job of communicating health care reform to the American people. Having been a Democrat all my life, I have almost no confidence in their ability to do that.

        •  The President's speech yesterday (2+ / 0-)
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          was just a start - everyone needs to spread the word on the real benefits to the ACA and counter-punch the republican lies.

        •  Repubs are terrified public will see it's good (7+ / 0-)
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          The major savings to people, small employers, hospitals, and government won't be seen until 2014.

          That's why the Republicans are trying to kill this quickly -- they know that once it actually goes into effect, and their outrageous lying about it is exposed, they'll be uncovered as lying assholes. ("What? No Death Panels? My premiums actually DECREASED? I keep my doctor and insurance plans? There's NO "government takeover"; this is about PRIVATE insurance companies and medical care? Senators will use the same medical program citizens use?") So they want to kill it before people discover what it actually is.

          If they kill Obamacare, no one will discover that the opposition had been based almost entirely on outrageous, bald-faced lying and screaming by Fox News and right-wing pundits.

          And, when you think about it, this isn't surprising. After all, Obamacare is actually Romneycare; it was a Republican plan to begin with! So they really didn't have a leg to stand on when they wanted to oppose All Things Obama, and they had to lie outrageously to make it into the bogeyman.

      •  can't use reconciliation to repeal ACA (25+ / 0-)

        It can't be done. The ACA, according to CBO, saved money. Repealing it would, thus, cost money. One can't use reconciliation for bills that would add to the deficit , cf Byrd Rules - Roberts Rules of Order, David Waldman ...


      •  Maybe the crazies will move like it's 2008? (0+ / 0-)

        At some point, even the white noise the MSM puts up gets old.

        Rick Claypool, Public Citizen, @citizenrick: "I hate it when people say 'the left' when they mean 'institutional Democrats'."

        by Superskepticalman on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:50:27 AM PDT

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      •  Well, guess who is not ready to move on... (1+ / 0-)
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        ..the leaders of the Republican party, Boss Limbaugh & GOP Entertainment Channel.

          They will never move on.

        And as we all know Boner & his party puppets are bound to the desires of the radio & TV psychopaths.

        Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate. ~ Proverbs 22:22

        by wyvern on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:51:16 AM PDT

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      •  All of the Republicans I've talked to today have (12+ / 0-)

        been talking about the specifics of the plan. Asking questions about how it works and when they will be able to sign up. Granted, these are reasonable people even though republican. But I've been pretty excited by their seeming acceptance of the bill now that the SC ruled on it and their first time ever curiosity about what it does. I'm even more excited about how willing they are to support it and move on. In fact one Evangelical is thrilled now that she knows how it works. She told me that she supports Romney and had heard he was going to get rid of it on "day one" (her exact wording if you think messaging doesn't matter). When we finished talking she said she thinks he ought to wait and see if it works before getting rid of it.

        “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

        by stellaluna on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:51:36 AM PDT

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        •  my experience at work too (10+ / 0-)

          Even local NPR had a physician on during the Boise commute time talking about how wonderful the ACA was for his patients and millions of other Americans. The report listed specific benefits and said this will be the difference between life and death for many people. They had nothing but praise for "Obamacare". In Idaho.  The next thing was a tease "coming up, Idaho Republicans reject the Supreme Court decision" or something like that.  Hahaha.
          People are getting to hear the real deal! I'm happy about that.

          •  Even though many of us don't hold the Supreme (6+ / 0-)
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            Court out as the final arbitrar of what is just and right--especially since Bush v Gore and now with Citizens United, that doesn't mean there aren't a lot if people who think they are. So a favorable ruling is a big deal for us. More than just meaning it wasn't overturned. I think many people see the questions about the legitimacy of the ACA as having been resolved and are ready to move on. The Republicans may make a mistake continuing to beat that dead horse.

            “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

            by stellaluna on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:16:22 AM PDT

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            •  I fully agree. (1+ / 0-)
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              And there's one thing that's becoming quite clear to the i-only-watch-reality-tv type of voter:  Republicans are bullies.  This truth has been revealed over and over again in various news stories since the last Presidential election (the debt ceiling debate, the Fluke assault, etc).  People are mesmerized by bullies, but in the end, they generally want to see them get their comeuppance.  In my opinion, the "Republican as bully" theme should be highlighted often.

      •  Oh, I dunno... (1+ / 0-)
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        A friend went to her dermatologist to have skin tags removed yesterday. Her doctor was fuming about ruling and said these procedures will not be allowed by medicare for very much longer now.
        I couldn't believe it.

      •  there have been several Obamacare repeal votes (0+ / 0-)

        but Repubs offer NO replacement.
        Wonder if Righties with NO healthcare will notice?

        "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

        by MartyM on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:42:06 AM PDT

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        •  Facebook convo with a rightie... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...for her, working the system by remaining uninsured feels like a better option. Seriously. A family of five, mom a type 1 diabetic, uses the ER for primary care, and bills end up almost completely written off by the hospital because they are not eligible for Medicaid. Delivery of three kids written off 90%. Insurance premiums through husband's employer would cost more than they pay now. The wife's parents pay for her medication.

          I know several other people who have found that the current system's loopholes are cheaper than buying insurance. They work the system at our expense and they don't want it to change.

          •  freeloaders will be taxed (1+ / 0-)
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            and CBO says 1% of population will choose not to participate in Obamacare  - those will be taxed.

            1% - and Republicans LIE - claiming it's a tax increase for the "middle class."

            "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

            by MartyM on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 06:46:45 AM PDT

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      •  26 states...... (0+ / 0-)

        ....the ones involved in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sibelius are going to balk on implementation. Governors Scott and Jindal have already promised resistance. They will refuse funds. They will do whatever crazy thing it takes not to implement the law. The delay in implementation is a vulnerable point for us as Americans are dealing with the law (which doesn't even have a catchy name other than Obamacare) in the abstract.

        The Republicans are already out-of-the-gate with the "tax"meme, implying that hard working Americans are going to get taxed to pay for the Emergency Room healthcare of illegal immigrants and welfare queens. And again, we just act like they will move on like reasonable people.

        And the Koch Brothers'propaganda spigot is just beginning to flow.

        This will be difficult. On the plus side, some Americans might look at the level of resistance on their side and find it a little strange. It went to the Supreme Court and even Al Gore said "game over"then.  That could cut our way. It's going to be a bumpy few months though. Thank you for your hard work.

    •  If you are a Senior or soon to be a Senior (13+ / 0-)

      Paul Ryan is yanking Medicare from you as well.

    •  Take away your same-sex marriages. (7+ / 0-)

      Take away women's right to make their own health care decisions with their own dollars.

      Take away people's clean air, clean water, disease-free food.

      Take away protections from financial gamers on Wall Street that the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau was to protect us from.

      Take away your pensions, your retirement funds, your savings, your home and give them to Wall Street, Banksters and mortgage companies.

  •  The GOP House has been a trainwreck for two (15+ / 0-)

    years.....note their approval ratings....Go for it guys.

  •  Well, tradmed will likely be happy to cooperate... (7+ / 0-)

    by ginning up controversies that hinge on the promotion of the "morans" guy and his pals to the status of profound professional pundit. Stupidity (I'm looking at you, Rand), and treating stupidity as legitimate opinion (right back at you, Wolf), is the nature of the season. God forbid that "serious" journalists at "real" networks should deal with presentations of fact as distinct from treating agenda-laden interpretation as fact.

    It's just so infuriating...

    Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

    by angry marmot on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:13:58 AM PDT

    •  On CBS this morning (5+ / 0-)

      the ACA lead story doesn't even show the President until more than half-way through the package.  Instead their coverage by Jan Crawford (who spent wa-a-ay too much time drinking KoolAid with Republicans while covering their primary) features Mitt, Rush, Sarah Palin, and a Tea Partier in full regalia, all kvetching about taxes, before briefly showing the President on the occasion of a signature accomplishment of his term.   Jan even ends with a graphic of the penalty per family ranging from $285 to $2085 per year, "in case you're curious" she says.  Link.

      It was absurd.  Then they moved to Eric Cantor for his comments.  Blech!
      So this

      They have to manufacture another spectacle like the summer of 2009
      has already begun in earnest, and we cannot afford to be complacent about it.
  •  Part of the Master Plan (9+ / 0-)

    Republicans as a rule are doing everything that they can to undermine the authority and respect of the federal government. They've already trashed the approval ratings of Congress and are doing nothing else except launching a political hatchet job on the presidency.

    Now that the Supreme Court has opened up a window, it's time to start badmouthing the SC. Up until now, the SC has been a convenient "good cop" in the conservative media. Now that they can be shown to be a "bad cop" this will only fuel the anger of the anti-government hicks and cretins that  make up a significant portion of the Republican Party base.

    Don't forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor. - John Dickinson ("1776")

    by banjolele on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:14:15 AM PDT

  •  here is Obama's question to voters, (30+ / 0-)

    -if you want to be denied health care because of your pre-exiting conditions
    -it you want to be capped on your health care if you get cancer
    - if you want to leave your children without health care if they can't get a job right out of college

    -if you want insurance companies to spend your premiums on bonuses and CEO salaries instead of your healthcare

    Then vote for Mitt...

  •  They cant do another 2009 (0+ / 0-)

    with the police trigger-trained as a response to OWS, the 2009 crazies wouldn't last 5 seconds.  And they know it, which is why the tea-party has disappeared from the street.

    and their contempt for the Latin schools was applauded by Theodoric himself, who gratified their prejudices, or his own, by declaring that the child who had trembled at a rod would never dare to look upon a sword.

    by ban48 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:43:38 AM PDT

    •  ban - when were the Tea Party "in the streets"? (4+ / 0-)

      The Tea Party rallies were held in parks with full permits from the local authorities, rarely lasted more than one day, and complied with all the local rules and regulations. The two groups were trying to do deliver very different messages and that's why you can't compare how they operated. I don't think you will see independent Tea Party events this summer and fall, but they could easily repeat what they did in past without any concerns about the local police.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:53:43 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  You were there and KNOW this for a fact? (0+ / 0-)


        Not in Phoenix.

        Read the "protest" section here.

        There were some excellent diaries regarding the ACA ruling yesterday, and there you would have had amply opportunity to voice your opinions to your heart's content.

        Instead, you wait for threads like these to offer head-patting and vaguely condesending commentary. I get the impression you want to inform and advise, but this comes across as sowing misinformation and misdirection.

        Please reconsider.

        Both parties are beholden to their corporate sponsors. The Democratic Party deigns to throw us a few bones from the table on which to gnaw and squabble over, but it's just kabuki.

        by ozsea1 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:37:27 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  oz - point taken (1+ / 0-)
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          If comments could be edited I would qualify my statement with something like "nearly all".  The Tea Party protests were not trying to break any laws and for the most part were very peaceful. Just like a few of the Occupy groups actually obtained permits from the local authorities and had no issues with police. Both Occupy and the Tea Party had exceptions.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:04:42 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  You think the police would do to the Tea Party (9+ / 0-)

      what they did to OWS?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Even when Tea Partiers bring guns they won't be pushed/arrested/gassed.

  •  Joan - there is no doubt (1+ / 0-)
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    J M F

    That if the GOP has a majority in the House and Senate, and a President Romney, the ACA is gone. It will be a cornerstone of their fall campaign. They will use reconciliation in the Senate to avoid a filibuster and as we can recall we had to resort to the same technique to pass the final version of the bill in the Senate.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:47:14 AM PDT

    •  They will do away with the filibuster the moment (9+ / 0-)

      they have the chance.  They won't give Democrats a chance to do to Republicans what the Republicans have done these last four years.

      •  ColoTim - I don't agree (1+ / 0-)
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        I know this is the widely held view here at DKOS but I don't think it will happen for two reasons. Senators, on both sides, have great respect for Senate traditions and even GOP Senators understand that the Senate majority can change in two years. There may be some tweaking of the filibuster rules, regardless of who has the majority, but I do not think there will be any fundamental changes should the GOP take the Senate.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:36:04 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Perhaps in the past, but I don't believe the (3+ / 0-)
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          Gentle Giant, ferg, VClib

          Republicans that are in the Senate now have any long-term respect for Congress or traditions.  They have shown how powerfully they can block what they don't want - I don't believe they'll give the Democrats the chance for payback (disorganized as Democrats often are).

      •  No, never: the Rs have a minority agenda (2+ / 0-)
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        Dillonfence, a gilas girl

        that relies in large part on government doing nothing.   They won't get rid of the filibuster any quicker than they would get rid of the electoral college or lifetime supreme court appointments.

        The real question is, why are democrats getting rid of the filibuster?

        SCANDAL: Bush Supreme Court nominee Roberts upholds Romney's individual mandate! Another politically motivated decision!

        by Inland on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:44:34 AM PDT

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      •  The filibuster is a GOP tool! (1+ / 0-)
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        a gilas girl

        The whole point of the GOP is to make sure the government is slow, ineffective, and toothless. The filibuster ensures every piece of meaningful reform or effective legislation dies without even a vote. They will never, ever get rid of it. We could have ushered in a frigging' onslaught of progressive legislation from '09-'10 without the filibuster and they know it. We should have killed the thing when we had the chance, but there are a couple DINOs that needed the cover.

  •  Especially those voters who'd very much like to (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, TKO333

    find a job in the not too distant future. The kind of job that the GOP is bending over backwards not to create.  

    That's going to go over really well with all the voters out here.

    Conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less. E.J. Dionne

    by blueyescryinintherain on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:04:38 AM PDT

  •  Add to all this... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...whether the teabagger sickies like it or not, the decision was written by a chief justice appointed by George W. Bush (surely no liberal). One more note: this reminds me of the stories I used to hear about the "Impeach Earl Warren" billboards that popped up after Warren, another Republican-appointed chief justice, presided over the Brown vs. Board of Education decision. This teabagger-GOP reaction is every bit as nutty as the "Impeach Earl Warren" cries.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

    by alaprst on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:10:59 AM PDT

  •  Yeah because having insurance companies.. (3+ / 0-)
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    highfive, TKO333, Gentle Giant

    ..decide who lives and who dies is so great! Yeah you guys run on repeal, GOP morons. The counter-ads will practically right themselves....

    Courtesy of the Weekly Standard: "Early on, we received this missive from a bright young conservative: 'I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!'"

    by Steve In DC on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:36:55 AM PDT

    •  Steve, I keep pointing that out to friends & rels (0+ / 0-)

      on facebook and all I get back are talking points about loss of Freedom and Liberal Government controlling the minutae of their lives.

      But Liberals/Democrats are at fault. We let the Right feed bullshit to our neighbors waaaaaaay too long without so much as a peep.

      I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

      by Gentle Giant on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:45:36 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Dems have a golden opp. here... (0+ / 0-)

    They can say they are looking forward and understand the need for jobs, while the Repugs, are looking backward and are completely and totally tone deaf, will they realize this and do it???? I Hope so!!!!!

  •  All they need is their trifecta to repeal it. (0+ / 0-)

    If they win the House, Senate and presidency, PPACA WILL BE REPEALED, and damn the consequences.

    You know as well as I the FIRST thing a GOP Senate will do is kill the filibuster.

  •  And we all know (0+ / 0-)

    just how effective the planned temper tantrum can be...

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:40:16 AM PDT

  •  Their temper tantrum will last (2+ / 0-)
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    wyvern, Mr MadAsHell

    only as long as it takes the president to throw another monkey wrench into their messaging or for them to devise another piece of anti-abortion legislation.  

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:40:37 AM PDT

  •  The R primary season was a spectacle. (2+ / 0-)
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    Aquarius40, wyvern

    Everyone rushing to appease the crazies.  Go ahead, do it again, go literally nuts.  

    SCANDAL: Bush Supreme Court nominee Roberts upholds Romney's individual mandate! Another politically motivated decision!

    by Inland on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:41:44 AM PDT

  •  what's with the magic want? (0+ / 0-)

    Like President Obama wouldn't veto anything in a heartbeat.

    Like the Senate is going to magically wave a wand and do away with the filibuster.

    Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

    by lostboyjim on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:43:09 AM PDT

  •  Here is what sets my hair on fire....Romney (1+ / 0-)
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    yesterday with the Capitol Behind him looking like a complete out of touch "Vampire" talking about repealing the same Bill he was over in Massachusetts.  This is what half the country is in a tizz over to vote for this November?

  •  (d)anger management (1+ / 0-)
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    there will be 'bagger activity but they're running out of time and perhaps are in disarray even with all that Koch money. Labor Day celebrations should have greater importance than usual for this election

    slutty voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare." 政治委员, 政委!

    by annieli on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:46:33 AM PDT

  •  The GOP plan will work... (3+ / 0-)
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    Mr MadAsHell, chrississippi, TKO333

    If the Obama campaign is stupid enough to let it work.  Let's see if they use 2010 as a 'teaching moment'.  Because the way I see it, this could be a huge gift to Obama along the same lines as McCain suspending his campaign to 'fix the economy'.  If the GOP is truly going to bank the election on this, then that means they AREN'T going to concentrate on Obama's economic record, which frankly is his biggest weakness.  If Obama comes out and states EXACTLY what this bill really does and says, "It's time to move on to what is really affecting everyone", I think he can clean up.  If he ignores this, he is in trouble.  Rarely in history does one get a chance to correct past mistakes.  The GOP is giving Obama and the Dems this chance.

    'Osama Bin Ladien is still dead and GM is still alive' - Joe Biden "Dems kill terrorist. The GOP keeps them around as a boogeyman - so they can continue to steal."

    by RichM on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:48:25 AM PDT

    •  I agree. Obama needs to throw gas on the fire. (3+ / 0-)
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      RichM, ozsea1, basket

      The ACA was horribly under-promoted when it passed, and Democrats have sat on the sidelines since.

      Give GOPers a couple of weeks to gin up the Wurlitzer, then come out swinging and talk about what the ACA does non-stop until November 6th. Bury Romney with the facts from his own reform plan. Make him into the King of the Flip-Floppers.

      If Democrats don't pounce on this, there's a much better chance that independents pay attention to the energy of the anti-ACA wingnut brigade and go with Romney. Obama can still lose this election, and if he doesn't push back at the nuclear attack by the GOP, he's got no room for mistakes and---if he manages to win---he's probably playing a losing hand with a completely Republican congress.

      The lines are being drawn in the sand right now. The campaign better realize what's at stake.

  •  Once those refund (8+ / 0-)

    checks from the insurance companies that missed their targets get sent out in August I believe, the jig will be up for the Republicans.

  •  The wingnuts I know seem to suffer from (3+ / 0-)
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    TKO333, ozsea1, Gentle Giant

    a severe case of Obama derangement syndrome. They "hate everything he stands for", although they would be hard-pressed to explain exactly what they hate so much. Methinks a lot of it is his skin color--sigh.

  •  Reconciliation? (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, ljb

    How do they plan to do that, when the repeal would increase the deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars?

    Last I checked, the Budget Act requires that bills passed through reconciliation to be deficit-neutral.

    That would mean a lot of cuts to make up the difference.

  •  Simpson-Bowles-type reconciliation commission (2+ / 0-)
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    JML9999, Mr MadAsHell

    with Larry Craig, Mitch McDaniels, Ted Haggard, Tom Foley, David Vitter, Gary Hart, Gary Condit, Eliot Spitzer, Anthony Weiner, Jim McGreevey

    slutty voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare." 政治委员, 政委!

    by annieli on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:56:39 AM PDT

  •  In watching C-Span this morning their (2+ / 0-)
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    donnamarie, lmcclatchie

    current line is that this is going to impose higher taxes on the middle class.  The problem is that they don't quite have their facts right.  I received an e-mail this morning with the following link from the McGladrey accounting firm.  I really believe that this is a must read for those who are going out to to defend the ACA from a tax perspective.  A couple of the key provisions is as follows:

    Additional Medicare tax on wages
    Effective in 2013, the ACA adds an additional 0.9 percent Medicare tax on wages above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for married couples filing jointly.

    New Medicare tax on investment income
    Starting in 2013, there is a new Medicare tax that applies to investment and business income. The ACA has added a 3.8 percent tax on the net investment income of single taxpayers with adjusted gross incomes above $200,000 and joint filers with an adjusted gross income over $250,000. Individuals who are material participants in a trade or business may be exempt from this tax, and instead subject to self-employment taxes only on the portion of their incomes that represents compensation for services. Business owners should consult their tax advisors regarding the complex interaction of these rules.

    The first thing lost in war is truth.

    by KatHart on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:56:55 AM PDT

  •  Yeah, sure (0+ / 0-)

    they're going to overturn ACA just like they overturned Roe V. Wade. Not.

    Knock yourselves out morons, you're just cutting you own throats. This rhetoric to overturn ACA sounds more like desperation than anything because the underlying effect of this recent decision has given the political momentum back to Obama and has completely deflated the GOP's hopes to take back the White House. That's the real reason for all the glum faces. They were really counting on the law being overturned by the SCOTUS, and when it didn't happen they were crushed.

    That's the sense I've gotten from the Republicans that I work with, many of whom are in the loonie fringe. They are in political mourning because they sense that it's "game over" for them.

    Tee hee.

  •  Sore losers! (0+ / 0-)

    Sore losers!
    Sore losers!
    Sore losers!

    I'm an American Liberal. Blogging in between family, work and activism time.

    by AlphaLiberal on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:01:53 AM PDT

  •  It's a brilliant plan with just one little flaw. (2+ / 0-)
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    ozsea1, FightinginVA

    Romney '12: Bully for America!

    by Rich in PA on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:02:31 AM PDT

  •  Gallup tracking poll now has Obama ahead by 5. (0+ / 0-)
  •  I watched Morning Joe today for the first time ... (4+ / 0-)
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    merrywidow, bluezen, ozsea1, antirove

    ... in months this morning. (Given the occasion, I though maybe Scarborough's head could finally explode, and I thought that would be delicious with my fruit and cereal.) Eric Cantor was on, and he was totally obfuscating the truth of what's in the law, basically insinuating people will lose their healthcare plan. Tom Brokaw tried to interject that people can keep the plan they're on if they like it, but Eric just blew him off and went on about "What the American Pople Want" (his favorite subject, since we all know the American people are all exactly the same, designed and rolled out of the assembly line of The American People Factory at Eric World.) Eric Cantor is the only person who can possibly make John Boehner seem palatable by comparison. But, bet on it: This will be getting ugly.

    "It does not require many words to speak the truth." -- Chief Joseph, native American leader (1840-1904)

    by highfive on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:06:33 AM PDT

    •  i watched as little of morning joke as i could (2+ / 0-)
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      highfive, myeye

      & wasn't surprised, either, that no one called eric out on his rw talking points jibberish (so what else is new, huh?).

      the r's goal is to tell the public what it thinks & how happy/sad/mad, etc., people should be -- & then say it again & again & again until it's imprinted on everyone's brains.

      that's what fuxnewz is for.

    •  I, too, had the misfortune (1+ / 0-)
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      I, too, had the misfortune of seeing a small portion of this broadcast -- with guests including Richard Todd, David Gregory, Jon Meacham and even Alberto Gonzalez.  Could they be any more blatant about their partiality?  

      This show makes no effort to inform; seemingly, it aims only to mislead and obstruct -- rather like the party it supports and seeks to emulate.  

  •  Can't let the "tax increase" meme take hold (2+ / 0-)
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    lmcclatchie, efrenzy

    Others have said it elsewhere, but I don't see it here, so let me chime in.   We need to avoid complacency on this.   Who the hell thought that "death panels" would actually get traction - but with astroturfing and a complacent media - the Rethugs were able to control the frame on the ACA first time out.   We shouldn't assume that it can't happen again.

    I'm not a health care wonk, so I don't know what the proper frame is.   Lakoff would suggest that it shouldn't just be the negative: "It's NOT a tax increase," since that, while absolutely correct, just reinforces the frame.  

    Maybe:  The ACA will lower premiums.  Or the ACA will give you more choice for insurance.  Or will increase your coverage.  Or reduce lines in the ERs.  Or keep your kids on your insurance.  Or allow you to change jobs without worrying about per-existing conditions.

    Whatever it is, it should be a sound bite that is generally  true (without succumbing to the pedantic need to be 100% accurate in every conceivable situation), addresses the middle class voter (so the simple extension of coverage to the uninsured, while a secondary benefit, is perhaps not the best primary frame),  and is a positive, not a negative frame.  

    And the netroots and the grassroots has to be all over this, because I'm not sure that the consultant classes have learned the lessons of 2010 - so may let the Rethug meme go unchallenged on the assumption that it is so inaccurate in various kind of Washington inside baseball terms that it will fall of its own weight.  

  •  What's the going rate (1+ / 0-)
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    for a set of conveniently timed, planned public temper tantrums?

    How much are the United Billionaires of America in for on this one?

    Does PAC money show up in the GDP?

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:16:15 AM PDT

  •  "extended temper tantrum" -- that seems to (1+ / 0-)
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    be the whole gop plan whenever a d is in the wh, isn't it?

    i hope they keep it up -- it just underscores how petty & anal they really are, to voters.  

    my r friends are totally disgusted w/their party, mainly b/c of healthcare & the ginormous bite it takes out of their bank accounts & is the main reason they voted for the d's in 2008, & plan to do so again this november.

  •  "We needs a Waaaahmbulance!" (0+ / 0-)

    Oh, this isn't a caption contest?

    I call "photo op". They're just showing their base they still stand united, incapable of having a solo thought or belief. "Rush! Karl! Grover! In the name of God, tell us what we think!"

    I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

    by Gentle Giant on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:21:43 AM PDT

  •  They just want to save the jobs that haven't been (0+ / 0-)

    and won't be lost due to the ACA taking effect in 2014.  Or something.  So far they've been staying in the game by flat-out lying to anyone dim enough to listen... and there are plenty of Amercians™ who fit that mold to a T(ea).

    I'm guessing by late September they'll be down to running spots that proclaim HEALTHCARE IS GAY !!!!!  

    It's really all they have - unless Issa has any more brilliant ideas up his ass.

    Iraq, Iran, Issa. Nope - nothing to see here. Move along now.

    by here4tehbeer on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:24:23 AM PDT

  •  The Republicans shouldn't want to go there . . . (1+ / 0-)
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    because the base is already confirmed in their hatred of the African American health insurance reform.   But the more light is shed on the ACA the more passionate support it will get.   Already only the name 'Obamacare' and the startling idea that it has be be paid for are marginally unpoluar.   On the other hand, all its specifics are approved by wide margins.  So as the campaign grinds on and the more ACA is discussed, the more support it will get.

  •  Will RomBot start talking about future SCOTUS (0+ / 0-)

    after he praised John Roberts as the type of jurist he'd like to have more of on the Supreme Court?
    Recalibrating…now. mmmmbeep.

    He could use Roberts' ACA vote as a reason he should be elected the Pres. to replace the 3 justices who will likely be retiring in the next 4 years.

  •  It's The Byrd Rule..... (2+ / 0-)
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    TofG, antirove

    Try taking away senior's savings on prescription drugs.  The average senior on Medicare has saved $600.00 on prescription drugs this year.  It will be even more when the donut hole completely closes.

    In August those on private insurance, will receive a rebate check for $156.00 if their insurance company hasn't spent 80% of their premiums on customers healthcare expenses.  The first reimbursement to the country will total over $1 BILLION dollars from insurance companies this summer.  Republicans would have loved to stop that.

    Medicare overhead is 3%, private insurers spend over 40% of your premiums on CEO salaries, office expenses etc.  

    The numbers make for a natural pivot to Obamacare(s).

  •  I think a Mitt presidency (2+ / 0-)
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    TofG, Gentle Giant

    And a Republican takeover of our government might be a lesson for those idiot sheeple who align themselves with the rich.

    Sorry about the rest of you, guess you should've tried harder.

    THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. -- L. Ron Hubbard Technique 88

    by xenubarb on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:31:45 AM PDT

    •  My cousin called the supporters of ACA (0+ / 0-)

      "sheeple". We've been having an ongoing discussion about who the sheeple are. I haven't shorn him yet, but I think he's getting a clue.

      I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

      by Gentle Giant on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:07:11 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What is forgotten (1+ / 0-)
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    about in the approval/disapproval polls of HCR is that some of the disapproval is coming from the left. It is not all right wing crazies that hate it, as the MSM likes to characterize the disapproval. Many on the left didn't like it because they, like myself, would have rather seen single payer or the public option instead of the mandate. But I and other like me also realize that given the political realities in this country, this is the best were going to get right now. The polling does not make these distinctions. So, if you take left leaning voters out of the mix that doesn't like the law but are willing to live with it, and obviously not going to vote Republican, that probably leaves a much closer 50/50 approval/disapproval split, or maybe even a slight approval majority. I also think that now that the SCOTUS has weighed in, the approval ratings will go up as the Dems and Obama start to talk about the benefits of the law more. So, basically the Republicans are doing this to appease their base, unless they are mistakenly thinking that all of the disapproval is coming from rabid, right wing nuts and indies. Mean while, the ones they need to attract, indies, will probably be turned off by this, or won't care. They are probably just waiting to see who gives the best Reagan style zinger in the debates to make up their minds.

  •  Stock market through the roof today because of (2+ / 0-)
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    MyMy, antirove

    Europe progress.  GOP must be so livid that they can't use yesterday's drop following the SCOTUS announcement as a "See, everyone knows this is bad for the economy!!" bullshit talking point.  What a week they're having :(

  •  Over the next few months, if the WH finds that (0+ / 0-)

    the ACA issue is important to moderates, then the WH can give the same "Obamacare does this and this and this" speech four times a day. It will work.

    My guess is that moderates still arent paying attention to politics, but they know of the SCOTUS ruling and in the minds of moderates, the ruling makes the legislation much more acceptable.

    Most Americans, let alone most moderates, dont know what the ACA is about. The SCOTUS decision lends a lot of credence to the legislations legitimacy in the eyes of low-info voters. The gop know this and will spent months telling lies about things the ACA does not do.

    Mitt Romney deserves a lot of credit for creating Mitt Romney.

    by A Runner on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:43:54 AM PDT

  •  When SCOTUS (0+ / 0-)

    handed down the decision yesterday I texted my sister.

    First, I'm no freakin' Nostradamus, but I'll tell you, these republicans and mystery meat for brains Mitt are and have become as predictable as sunrises and sunsets.

    The text went like this. Watch the republicans and especially Mitt, they will hang onto this decision as a rallying cry and hang their hat on this "Obamacare" REPEAL, just like they have done with Roe v Wade.
    Mitt will say repealing Obamacare will be his number 1 priority if he is elected. Every other republican will shout about tax increase, tax increase.
    So far this has been their tune.

    Republicans may think they have a pulse here, when really it's just the beating of there cold hearts they're hearing. They have become overly excited at the prospects of this "wedge;" resulting in the heart to beat like a teenage boy on his first date.

    "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." Louis Brandeis

    by wxorknot on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:44:45 AM PDT

  •  The GOP has nothing (0+ / 0-)

    I've said it all along, the GOP has NOTHING to run on.

    I was appreciative for the first time of the NYT admitting that Obama is going to be a transformative president, the first since Reagan (who transformed us out of having a middle class) because he is taking the country AWAY from the Reagan Revolution.

    And he is.

  •  Fox News already seems to be signaling defeat (1+ / 0-)
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    They appear to be spending far more time covering the Holder vote than Obamacare being upheld.  It's the big tell, imo.

    Oh, they'll continue to use Obamacare to anger the base, but those are people who were going to vote against Obama anyway.  It'll be much harder convincing the general public to vote against Obamacare, especially when the "largest tax increase in US history" doesn't materialize before November.

  •  Be gentle it's my first time (2+ / 0-)
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    Hey guys. Long time reader, first kos comment. Can't comment often but will when I can.

    As for the matter at hand. Temper tantrum is what they do best and mama always said you should do what you do best

    "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds". Albert Einstein

    by JerryB on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:47:49 AM PDT

  •  Hey, have a heart. (0+ / 0-)

    Believe it or not, I can really empathize with some of these conservatives. I remember all too well feeling disempowered, hurt, bewildered and lost in my own country after a SCOTUS decision: Bush v. Gore, in early 2001. And I remember the next 8 years: 9/11, the Iraq disaster, Abu Ghraib, giant giveaways to the 1%, Katrina, Terry Schiavo, Jack Abramoff, on and on culminating in an economic cataclysm. My friends on the Right, we got through all of that. You can hunker down and grit your teeth and survive Obama's modest, pro-corporate stab at making health insurance a bit more available. Really, it'll be okay. Would you like a hug?

    Insert your own pithy comment/angry screed/wise homily right here!

    by StratCat on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:15:27 AM PDT

  •  A prediction! (0+ / 0-)

    When ACA has been in place for 3, or even 2 years, and people are getting healthcare who couldn't before and people are seeing savings in their healthcare budget, the GOP will remind us all how it was their idea all along and Obama almost killed it, and how only THEY should be trusted with our well-being.

    I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

    by Gentle Giant on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:46:04 AM PDT

  •  Yesterday was supposed to be the.... (1+ / 0-)
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    "October Surprise," a defeat for President Obama that he would never be able to recover from.

    "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

    by sancerre2001 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:53:57 AM PDT

  •  Sorry, guys, but I can't help myself... (0+ / 0-)

    Look, this is Capitalism, and we can self-promote.  Sometimes we must.  But I assure you, this word NEEDS to get out there and propagate.  In addition, if your blood and brain boil over these GOP fools, and over what you hear on fox....

    I PROMISE you, this will help.  You will laugh and cry...and laugh some more!!!

    I believe in it so much, if I could afford to fly to the Dem Convention in Charlotte, I would GIVE AWAY copies there to folks!!!

    Please believe me:  it's not about the money!!!

    Antidote to Ayn, and Bain of the GOP's existence!

    Aldus Shrugged : The Antidote to Ayn Rand.

    by Floyd Blue on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:16:57 PM PDT

  •  Remember, this is all they have... (1+ / 0-)
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    There hasn't been a single "remedy" proposed by any
    Republican as to what they would do to replace the ACA, or anything else, for that matter.  Their only function is to gripe about whatever President Obama does or proposes, even if it started out as a Republican proposal.  They obfuscate, lie, deliberately confuse, exaggerate, and do whatever else it takes to make something good appear to be something horrific, and they have backers with tons of money to help them.
    Our only recourse is to change the balance of power, especially in the House.  It's going to be VERY difficult, but then, I've hear that there is a lot of buyers remorse throughout the country.  We also have to get President Obama re-elected.  The very thought of a President Romney, who, as Grover Norquist said, would only be there to sign the bills they wanted passed, is to frightening to contemplate.
    I'm working on voter registration.  I think if we try to overcome the draconian laws passed that would limit voter participation.
    According to Mother Jones, the people without IDs breaks down like this:
    Blacks:           25%
    Asians            20%
    Latinos           19%
    18-24 yr olds  18%
    Seniors           18%
    Earning less
    than $35,000  15%
    All                  11%
    Whites             8%

    No wonder they want to make IDs mandatory, limit early voting and voting by mail.  How many of these people do you imagine don't even have proper birth certificates or whatever is required?

    No one man can terrorize a whole nation unless we are all his accomplices...Edward R. Murrow

    by maxcat06 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:13:46 PM PDT

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