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"Let 'em secede!". That's the latest challenge from some here at the Great Orange Satan. Some politicians in a Red state are unhappy with the Supreme Court ruling on the Affordable Care Act? Call their bluff! Screw 'em! We can keep the United States of Blue, and cut those ignorant, greedy Red States loose!

Some of us happen to live in a Red state. We may have been born here. We may have relocated here for school, military service, work, or love. I moved to a very large Red State - Texas - when my husband relocated here for work. Having grown up in Massachusetts and lived in New Hampshire, life in the Lone Star State has been a revelation.

Our Progressive values are strengthened, not imperiled, as a result of living in Red surroundings. Every day offers us the chance to hone our powers of persuasion and to reach out to others of our kind to work together to support Progressive candidates and causes.

As chronicled in my many Texas-related diaries, those of us in the Lone Star State have heard more than our share of derogatory remarks. When Texas was plagued with epic drought and widespread wildfires, we heard from some - including some here - that this was God's wrath or some other form of divine or secular vengeance for our political views.  

When our witless Secessionist-in-Chief told us to pray for rain, you laughed.  We would have laughed too, were it not for the millions of Texans whose farms, ranches, homes, businesses, and livelihoods were wiped out.

When our witless Secessionist-in-Chief played the "well... We have the right to secede" (wink, wink) card, threatening to exercise the option to leave the Union and return to the days of republic, we cringed. Hey, Rick, we thought, why don't YOU leave, and we'll carry on as we have. Some of us actually love America.

Secession, it turns out, is complicated business. Texas is full of federal facilities: NASA, Army, Air Force, federal prisons, Department of Energy, DEA, Department of Agriculture... We have some of the largest ports in the country that facilitate the mass movement of goods essential to global trade. Traversed by interstate highways and rail lines, we connect the Gulf Coast to the rest if the country.

Texans aren't the only folks who've borne the blame for the inane thoughts, words, and deeds of horrendous elected representatives. How could you people have elected (or re-elected) these jackasses, you ask. What's WRONG with you people?!

I'll tell you: absolutely nothing. We're Americans, just like you.

Keep in mind: none of these elections were unanimous. Many of us voted for (and actively campaigned for) the Democratic candidate. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Actually, as long as you keep up the good fight to turn your state Bluer by the day, you really don't lose.

Through the hard work of those of us in the political minority - and the demographic shifts that are changing the face of Texas at an accelerating pace - our day will come. Texas, currently home to over 25 million Americans, will change its coloration from Red to Blue.
By then, you might want us back from the Secession hinterlands.

I realize that this diary won't stop the calls by some for Red states to secede. It won't stop the snarky remarks that Red state denizens deserve the next drought, flood, tornado, hurricane, or wildfire that we've brought upon our selves by allowing our political opponents to retain power. It won't overturn the worn-out stereotypes that Red staters are all knuckle-dragging, gun-toting religious nut-cases and low-information voters.

Still, if you've read this far, may I ask you to consider that, with all that lies ahead of us in this election year, we simply cannot turn on one another like rats in a laboratory experiment run amok. We're all in this together. Let's skip the secession talk and get to work.

Originally posted to cassandracarolina's fossil record on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:50 PM PDT.

Also republished by TexKos-Messing with Texas with Nothing but Love for Texans.

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  •  Hoist on their own petard (1+ / 0-)
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    ichibon

    I truly feel sorry for the people who are suffering due to the stupidity of the Repubs (especially Colorado Springs - I lived there for a while, and it used to be a beautiful place).

    However, the people screaming the loudest about "guvnment interference blah blah blah" are those that have more government assistance than anyone else. My feeling is, you don't want "guvnment", you won't get it.

    Remove all army, navy, airforce, marine bases from those states. Stop sending medicare/medicaid/social security checks. Let the post office charge the full cost of sending mail. No more welfare. No more food stamps. No more funding for anything (schools, roads, etc.). Of course, at least a month of constant reminders that at a certain date, all "guvnment intrusion" would end.

    The only way to convince these idiots that the government isn't the problem, their stupidity in electing some a**hole who promised lower taxes and the same benefits is the problem, is to let them realize what the true situation is.

    I figure in about 6 weeks, the screams can be heard without the benefit of electronic transmission. The screams demanding "guvnment" take care of them like they had before.

    As that old adage goes, "you just have to get their attention."

    I reject your reality and substitute my own - Adam Savage

    by woolibaar on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:02:35 PM PDT

  •  I say we give them Utah.... (1+ / 0-)
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    ichibon

    and build an electrified fence around it.

    "Ich bin ein Dachs!"

    by PvtJarHead on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:11:21 PM PDT

  •  Time to post the 2008 election map by county again (13+ / 0-)

    6a00d8341c630a53ef010535dfe179970c-800wi

    Note that no state is entirely red (well, Oklahoma, and I think we know that Tulsa isn't all that antediluvian).  Remember also that in the states that had popular votes for secession in 1860, over 40% of the electorate voted NOT to secede in the states that became the Confederacy. Asking some states to secede now is, well, stupid.

    -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:26:43 PM PDT

  •  It's a decent point. (0+ / 0-)

    My own thought is that if a Red State wants to secede, we split county after county and welcome and adjacent city who wants to join (sort of like America annexing Vancouver, BC).  These cities, facilities and emblems of Texan and Southern history and culture become accessible only with passports:  

    Texas:  The Alamo, Cowboys Stadium, Port of Houston, NASA Houston, Galveston's beach if you need to go through Houston to get there, El Paso

    Louisiana:  New Orleans and its Port, Baton Rouge

    Mississippi:  The Mississippi Delta;  almost every county on the Mississippi River.  (It keeps Biloxi)

    Alabama:  Birmingham.  Also, the state gets split into two pieces by the strip of counties running from west to east through Montgomery County.  That means two border crossings or an airline ride to get from Anniston to Mobile.  The Alabama-Auburn rivalry stays Red.

    Georgia:  Savannah, Atlanta, Stone Mountain (that will sting!)

    Tennessee:  Nashville and Memphis (including port)

    South Carolina:  Charleston and Columbia.  South Carolina elite Republicans wishing an education at the Citadel would be free to file for an education visa.  The Reds keep Bob Jones University.

    Arkansas:  Little Rock, Pine Bluff, the Mississippi shoreline.  

    Florida:  Tallahassee, Orlando, Palm Beach County through the Keys, Tampa/St. Pete, Daytona Beach.  We get Disney and the Daytona 500.  

    Of course, such a system would probably lead to a zillion Gdansks/Danzigs and who-knows-how-much terra irredenta.  

    "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

    by Yamaneko2 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:29:25 PM PDT

    •  Oops, any adjacent city... nt (0+ / 0-)

      "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

      by Yamaneko2 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:29:57 PM PDT

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      •  Please, may I move to Vancouver, B.C.? (0+ / 0-)

        I would gladly renounce my Pennsyvanian citizenship.  I've always hated this state.

        To make the argument that the media has a left- or right-wing, or a liberal or a conservative bias, is like asking if the problem with Al-Qaeda is do they use too much oil in their hummus. Al Franken

        by Youffraita on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 12:36:14 AM PDT

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    •  Your scheme would see US and global trade (4+ / 0-)
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      luckydog, JayRaye, mjbleo, fearlessfred14

      Grind to a halt. The volume of goods passing up and down the Mississippi and in/out of the Port of Houston is massive.

      Manufacturing, energy, trade, tourism, education, recreation, travel... All thrown into turmoil.

      The US won't need (or be able to fend off) any foreign threats if we tear ourselves to shreds like this.

      Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

      by cassandracarolina on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:38:10 PM PDT

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      •  It would. (2+ / 0-)
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        cassandracarolina, nomandates

        In fact, any secession would.  

        The point of the comment was that redstate conservatives who wish secession will get cut off from a large portion of their heritage.

        "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

        by Yamaneko2 on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 10:09:08 AM PDT

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  •  I just want to point out that we didn't start this (6+ / 0-)

    I don't hold a grudge against anyone living anywhere they want to. But after years of hearing about "San Francisco Values" among other hateful remarks about blue states it isn't too hard to get why some people have a "screw the red states" attitude. I would just point out that it is the wingnuts that started lumping blue staters into ridiculous categories years ago.

    Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about. Mark Twain

    by Deathtongue on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:41:38 PM PDT

  •  Perhaps easier if.. (1+ / 0-)
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    JayRaye

    all progressives move to area and take over.

    Well, I been around the world, and I've been in the Washington Zoo. And in all my travels, as the facts unravel, I've found this to be true.... ...they don't give a f^ck about anybody else

    by Zwoof on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:43:17 PM PDT

  •  I hate all this talk of secession (8+ / 0-)

    doesn't anyone realize that if any state actually secedes it will lead down a path of war that the United States will be unable to avoid. Think civil war, on steroids. If you don't think it can happen ("not in todays blah blah blah") bullshit. I am pretty sure the WH will preserve the union at all costs, including warfare.

    Honestly, anyone hoping or wishing for this is a damn fool.

    Yes, it is bread we fight for - but we fight for roses, too! Sick of the endless battles, namecalling and hostility? Join Courtesy Kos -- A group dedicated to respect and civility.

    by rexymeteorite on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:53:08 PM PDT

    •  I dont think a state is going to actually (8+ / 0-)

      secede, but if a few were to successfully pull it off, it would lead to war.

      Personally I think this talk of succession is GOP grandstanding to placate a crazy conservative base licking its wounds right now. the GOP "crazybase" senses blood in the water, and I think that a few repubs are starting to get a tad fearful of their election prospects. Throw out a few hyperbolic "Obama = kenyun tirany lets suced lolololololz" and hopefully placate a base after your hide.

      Still, its completely and totally irresponsible at best. Dangerous and perhaps traitorous at worst.

      Yes, it is bread we fight for - but we fight for roses, too! Sick of the endless battles, namecalling and hostility? Join Courtesy Kos -- A group dedicated to respect and civility.

      by rexymeteorite on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:57:37 PM PDT

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      •  It is the dangerous part I worry about. How many (5+ / 0-)

        nutjobs are itching to pick up weapons? I know this - if the teabaggers intend to disrupt things like town halls etc... like they did during the healthcare debate - I will be there to counter.

        if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

        by mrsgoo on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:59:40 PM PDT

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        •  How about if we just GIFT them (1+ / 0-)
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          JayRaye

          to Canada?

          Oh, yeah...war.  Canada doesn't want those nutjobs.

          Nevermind.

          To make the argument that the media has a left- or right-wing, or a liberal or a conservative bias, is like asking if the problem with Al-Qaeda is do they use too much oil in their hummus. Al Franken

          by Youffraita on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 12:41:24 AM PDT

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        •  how many nutjobs are itching to pick up (1+ / 0-)
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          cassandracarolina

          weapons? -- a lot (unfortunately).  & some of them are in my family (also, unfortunately).

          yes, there are quite a few people who really do want to fight the civil war again, & i'm not exaggerating.  they feel a deep desire to avenge what they see as a grave injustice to white man/womanhood & superior moral values that was imposed upon them with the end of the civil war & reconstruction -- when they were forced to give up their "right" to own other human beings (three-fifths of one, actually) & do with their chattel as they wished, even tho very few whites owned slaves & most were as poor as the blacks they felt superior to.

          they love to hate & love to fight, & there's nothing more they'd like to do than go wup some yankee ass.  this is the mentality we're dealing with here, folks.

          how do you reason with someone like that?  you don't.

    •  Agree, Rexy... We have so much work to do (3+ / 0-)
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      rexymeteorite, luckydog, mjbleo

      that we need to work together, not opt out or turn in each other. To tear the Union apart on the basis of recent election results is absurd.

      Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

      by cassandracarolina on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:00:07 PM PDT

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    •  you're right, most folks don't know what it is... (5+ / 0-)

      ...really is. Civil war, I mean.

      Skirmishes, leading to secession, leading to partition, leading to border war, leading to outright war.

      And then that cycle, over and over, winding up to crescendo, tapering off to the lull before the outbreak, always more to come.

      Most folks don't know what it's like to live in the middle of that - to live the war.

      I don't mean to be overly critical. I don't think that I am being that when I agree that it's an awfully indulgent conversation.

      Cheers, rexy...

    •  It's Not 1860, No Reason for a War (2+ / 0-)
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      efrenzy, for 6 too

      other than our 5-sided national capitol in Arlington, VA refusing to accept its funding loss.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:17:20 PM PDT

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    •  The USSR broke apart relatively peacefully. (0+ / 0-)

      Same with Czechoslovakia. If all sides thought it in their best interests, peaceful separation is possible.

      Or on the other hand you can end up with Yugoslavia.

      That said, I don't think that if it happened here that it would be peaceful.

  •  red states result from Dem indifference, (1+ / 0-)
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    JayRaye

    watch the 1983 inaugural address of Gov. George Wallace, whose populism and transformed stand for civil rights would never be permitted by today's Blue Dogs. Look at Carter who is essentially exiled. The New South is the best hope for a genuinely democratic politics. The issue that would galvanize the solid south is discussed at moneyouttapolitics.org.

  •  I took the bait on one of those today (3+ / 0-)
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    cassandracarolina, JayRaye, Ahianne

    It turned out to be a snark diary (which I detest, by the way), but it wasn't so tagged at the time, and apparently I'm not sophisticated enough to suss them out without the tag. Anyway, I went off on it with a righteous rant. Thankfully, I blinked and closed with a caveat in case it was snark, so with luck, only a couple of egos were harmed.

    Nevertheless, what I said in the comment was wholly in concert with my beliefs, and they mesh nicely with yours, Miss Cassandra. Perhaps you'll go seek it out.

    I'm still peeved, by the way, that I didn't get to ride along from ATL to the Banks (or wherever you were headed). If you diaried it, I missed it.

  •  Central N. America Left the U.K. in the 18th Cent, (2+ / 0-)
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    cassandracarolina, luckydog

    Ireland left it in the 20th and Scotland is on the verge of leaving it in the 21st.

    Secession happens.

    There is nothing magical or manifestly destined about the United States of America.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:20:25 PM PDT

  •  The problem with (8+ / 0-)

    "Let 'em secede" is that it produces a visceral reaction along the lines of "Yeah, fuck 'em, they asked for it".

    The problem is that they didn't ... ask for it.

    If the southern States left the Union, many millions of people, people like us, people we fight to protect, would suffer.

    The Southern States would be bankrupt if they had to fend for themselves, and they would balance their books by making the wealthy wealthier, and the poor destitute.

    These are children we are talking about, and hard-working men and women who are as entitled to the American Dream as anyone from Boston, or New York, or Chicago.

    They are not some "other kind", they are Americans ... and they are all born equal.

    Is the task bigger in the South? Yes, of course ... Do they deserve our efforts? Absolutely they do.

    "Our people" are not the ones making idiotic, and frankly farcical calls for secession ... That is the purview of the Right, and it's just another tactic being used to divide us.

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    by twigg on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 12:38:35 AM PDT

    •  ps .... (7+ / 0-)

      I wanna rec this Diary at least twice, and probably more!

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 12:40:49 AM PDT

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      •  thanks, twigg (7+ / 0-)

        This is a painful subject when viewed from the side that folks would so gleefully amputate from the body of America.  I have had the good fortune to spend time in 45 of the 50 states. Each has been inhabited by real people - men, women, and children - who want the same things we do: a home, a livelihood, food, love, and hope for a secure future.

        If people don't care about all that, think smaller. Where do your friends and relatives live in the US? I have relatives in California, Kentucky, Vermont, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Florida, North Carolina, Georgia, and Texas. Friends, business colleagues, clients, and colleagues in many more states.

        All these folks are Americans: some by birth, some by naturalization. I'm not willing to cast any of them out to sea on the iceberg.

        Looking at the diary poll, it's clear that many respondents are comfortably ensconced in Blue states with politically like-minded neighbors. Perhaps a road trip is in order to check out how the rest if us live.

        Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

        by cassandracarolina on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 04:29:47 AM PDT

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        •  They might want to wait (3+ / 0-)
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          cassandracarolina, mjbleo, a2nite

          until it cools down a little :)

          Exhibiting exasperation at the South is understandable, but the product of thinking that has not been allowed to encompass the real issues.

          What makes it even worse is that vast numbers of people in the South would vote for secession, because they have been conned into believing that ... "Theirs is the way of the Lord".

          Then they would be trampled.

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          by twigg on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 08:49:12 AM PDT

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          •  before secession could ever proceed (3+ / 0-)
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            mjbleo, twigg, a2nite

            I foresee plenty of carnage as a result of home-grown militias and lone gunmen availing themselves of what they believe to be their Second Amendment rights.

            "Someone" benefits when we turn on one another rather than working together. We can't allow that to transpire given everything that's at stake this election year and beyond.

            Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

            by cassandracarolina on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 08:57:31 AM PDT

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            •  If EVER the power-brokers (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              cassandracarolina

              in this country were threatened by "armed" citizens ...

              Watch how fast the Second Amendment would disappear.

              I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
              but I fear we will remain Democrats.

              by twigg on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 11:02:50 AM PDT

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            •  The War Against Fascism! (2+ / 0-)
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              a2nite, blueoasis

              There is no fight between Blue states and Red ones who wish to secede.
              THAT war was settled in the LAST Civil War!

              (remember Lincoln & Gettysburg and the utter defeat
                of the traitorus southern states?)
              The battle is now drawn between The People of America and their vile, nefarious neo-fascist ruling elite who are in an all-out attempt to BUY America!           "ALL Power to The People!"

              ! The swinistic greed and racial hatred of the American ruling elite is abysmal !

              by joe wobblie on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 11:07:57 AM PDT

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  •  so, what happens if red states do secede? (1+ / 0-)
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    JayRaye

    seriously.  

    should the rest of the country just let them go?  fight another civil war?  initiate some kind of other remedy -- finiancial sanctions, or something else that my caffeine-deprived brain can't think of right now???

    what happens to citizens who don't want to secede but can't afford/not able to move to another state?

    what is the diarist going to do if texas goes?

    •  "people" may want to secede, but states can't (4+ / 0-)
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      JayRaye, Ahianne, mjbleo, a2nite

      just pick up and secede. As described above, states are home to many federal facilities, highways, airports, rail lines, interstate businesses and global concerns necessary to trade, defense, business, and transportation.

      Disentangling that - on the very remote chance that you could align enough people politically - is a decades long endeavor.

      It's far easier to accept that life in America requires compromise and accommodation.

      Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

      by cassandracarolina on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 06:59:14 AM PDT

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      •  Oh, and let's not forget the pipelines that (1+ / 0-)
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        Ahianne

        bring natural gas, oil, and other commodities from the Gulf and foreign shores into the rest of the country and the electric transmission lines that traverse the Red states. Good luck figuring out how to terminate, re-route, or replace the infrastructure and allocate the resources and generated energy.

        Think of this as the world's most costly and complicated divorce, where the legal bills will rival the economy of major countries. At the end of the day, we might as well stick together and accept our differences.

        Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

        by cassandracarolina on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 08:06:05 AM PDT

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        •  everything you mentioned can be "appropriated" (0+ / 0-)

          by fiat -- just like it was done in 1959 when castro overthrew batista & "appropriated" every private us concern in cuba -- & which dupont chemical & exxon & at&t, etc., etc. are still trying to be compensated for (& a big reason we still have the embargo against trade w/cuba in effect after 60+ yrs).

          all texas, for instance, has to do is say, "we secede" & it can claim all united states property as its own -- just like the csa did in 1861.  

          who is the us going to complain to? the un? don't make me laugh -- red states spit on the un & the whole idea of world government.

          no, it will take physical intervention like armed conflict & boots on the ground, or the us cuts its losses & says "good-bye & don't let the door hit you in the ass" -- & there are an awful lot of rw nutjobs who would love to fight another civil war.

  •  Native Texan here, from the blue county of Dallas (7+ / 0-)

    We Democrats just need to get our message out.  Populism started in Texas and still exists, when you talk to people in the reddest parts of the state and talk about real issues.

    We need to spend our money at home, elect more better Democrats and do some serious voter education in the reddest parts of the state.  People are voting against their own interests when they vote Republican, and they need to get educated about it.

    •  That's the answer, CoolOnion (5+ / 0-)
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      aseth, JayRaye, Ahianne, a2nite, CoolOnion

      Texas is already turning more blue by the day.

      Don't throw in the towel now... We're on a roll!

      If the rest of you folks want to help, that would be terrific. Otherwise it's just us Lone Star Progressives turning a state of 25 million people.

      Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

      by cassandracarolina on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 07:01:05 AM PDT

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    •  Amen Amen (5+ / 0-)

      "Let 'em secede!"

      Satisfying, & gets the anger out.

      However, I live here in Texas, not born here so could always move back home.

      But would be leaving behind many people that I love, and their lives, difficult now, would be much more difficult.

      Educate, Organize, Emancipate! The 3 IWW stars.
      Not easy to do with some of these folks, but we have to keep at it.

      Texas will turn blue. I predict 2016.

      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

      by JayRaye on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 07:29:59 AM PDT

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      •  Amen to you, JayRaye (2+ / 0-)
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        Educate, Organize, Emancipate - how much easier this will be in the Internet age.

        I live in Texas "for now" as I moved here for my husband's job and have built my retirement home in North Carolina which will soon be my full-time residence. Still, there are many fine things about Texas, and many good people, including some very energized Progressives.

        Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

        by cassandracarolina on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 07:56:53 AM PDT

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      •  It's sounds just as stupid when we say it (2+ / 0-)
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        I've heard religious freak right-wingers talk about seceding, dreaming of some Bible based fantasy land county (modeled after Iran, no doubt), and it's a stupid idea that will never happen.

        It sounds just as stupid when liberals talk about getting rid of a "problem" state through secession.  The solution is to actually FUND DEMOCRATS in those states, instead of concentrating all the money at the top.

        •  Thank You! We do need to focus more action (2+ / 0-)
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          and less rhetoric on states where Democrats could make some headway. We can't rely on the national Democratic campaign folks to do it, so we should perhaps "adopt" Dem candidates in Red states and support them with our money and our actions.

          Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

          by cassandracarolina on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 07:00:58 AM PDT

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  •  There you are!! Hello (6+ / 0-)

    Cassandracarolina!! I have not been around the community for several days. I finally saw you this morning.

    Gulp, Texas!!!

    You just gotta do something about the sun. It the biggest and most hot in the country..But it will always be my sun.

    Great diary my friend. You tell em -- Don`t fu***g mess
    with Texas. Not when its turning blue, even against the hot
    sun.

    Hello again and glad to see you

    Old men tell same old stories

    by Ole Texan on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 06:12:56 AM PDT

  •  Houston, Texas here. Thanks for a well thought out (1+ / 0-)
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    diary cassandracarolina. A thoughtful friend sent me a link. I am glad you did not have "Texas" in the title. I almost never read those diaries because during the ravages of hurricane Ike [September 2008] a poster on Dkos said that they wished that Texas would just break off into the Gulf. I almost left the site. Please note that Perry did not talk of secession until August of 2011 and before in March 2009 when the rest of y'all weren't looking.
    I think that whoever is with us should line up and help us turn Texas blue. The rest of you...well you don't want to know what I think about the rest of y'all.

    Pulled Both Ways
    Feb 6 2011 10:24PM
     Johnny Hanson / Houston Chronicle
    Being pulled in each direction, Hugh Harrington, 67, walks his two beagles, Snoopy and Lucy, as warm weather made it a nice day for humans and canines to go for a walk in the Cypresswood neighborhood in Spring. “It's beautiful today,” Harrington said. “I've been cooped up for so long we needed to get out before (the weather) gets bad again”

    •  Agree 100%, mjbleo (1+ / 0-)
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      I lived through Hurricane Ike and thankfully was not yet a Kossack, as comments such as you have cited would have been like a knife in the heard.

      We were luckier than most, only losing power for 4 days versus the 2-3 weeks others endured. National press coverage of the Ike carnage was very limited, as the reporters all left Texas to cover the little problem on Wall Street, so many people here on the Great Orange Satan probably had no idea of the damage and the long time it took to clear the downed trees, restore power, and recover from personal and business losses.

      People who feel the need to pile on at a time like that would probably be the ones walking the battlefield in war time, bayoneting the wounded.

      Despicable.

      Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

      by cassandracarolina on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 10:34:26 AM PDT

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  •  they can move to Somalia anytime; I'm tired of (2+ / 0-)
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    The evil & stupid trying to turn this country into that. Evil & stupid have finally started losing.  They have been wining for most my adult life. The evil Bushes infested your state. They spread their infestation, also.

    Tipped & rec'ed

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 11:14:44 AM PDT

    •  This whole battle reminds me of the Vietnam era (1+ / 0-)
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      When the cry from the "patriots" was: "America, love it or leave it" and "My country, right or wrong". Now it seems to be "My country, YOU get the hell out if you don't like MY viewpoint".

      Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

      by cassandracarolina on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 11:25:47 AM PDT

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      •  Agreed, drives me crazy; I was a kid & my opinion (2+ / 0-)
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        Of the Rs is way worse than Reagan. But he made this were # 1 nonsense a way of life.
        We have to make Anerica better for everyone not just the evil rich who are doing great. They are the only ones where the govt is working & they don't need it.
        There is something wrong & wrong with us.

        Completely ridiculous.

        The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

        by a2nite on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 01:26:38 PM PDT

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  •  Thank Goddess my ISP is up again after the storm (1+ / 0-)
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    so I could read this diary, Cassandra.  Tipped and rec'd as always.  Your post is like a breath of fresh air!  I'm Texas-born and still love the state, although I adore Northern Virginia and, having lived here since 1965, consider it my home now.

    I voted for "I'm in some other situation" because Virginia is, well, purplish.  We elected the first African-American governor in U.S. history.  Then we turned right around and elected Macaca as governor. And as U.S. senator after that.

    This is my favorite part of your post:

    Keep in mind: none of these elections were unanimous. Many of us voted for (and actively campaigned for) the Democratic candidate. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Actually, as long as you keep up the good fight to turn your state Bluer by the day, you really don't lose.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 02:47:13 PM PDT

    •  I've been wondering how you were faring, Diana (0+ / 0-)

      Good to hear you are back on line. As you can see, we still have a some folks who think secession is an option on the table. The difference "this time": corporate interests. They would probably take a very dim view of a state co-opting their factories, pipelines, transmission lines, tank farms and other facilities, and having the highways, rail lines, and airports taken out of service.

      Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

      by cassandracarolina on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 03:31:51 PM PDT

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