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Xavier and Antonin, are embarking upon their Electric Odyssey around the world not in something big, comfy and all-terrain, but a Citroen C-Zero electric car - otherwise known as the Mitsubishi i.

Driving from Tokyo to Fukuoka

So that was true : In Japan you can recharge in less than 30 minutes nearly everywhere, thanks to the very dense  quick charging station infrastructure.

You can imagine the improvement that allowed us to travel in a quiet “normal” way, with some touristic detours without any risk regarding our planning. And crossing Japan will certainly be the easiest   stage of our world tour. Driving a thermic car wouldn’t have been much more convenient!


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  •  Tip Jar (8+ / 0-)

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 09:57:15 AM PDT

  •  What I really want is Citroen DS5 Diesel-Electric (3+ / 0-)
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    Deward Hastings, JeffW, mookins

    ...hybrid.   Full size car, All-Wheel-Drive, 65 MPG on the highway.  

  •  Great for France, (0+ / 0-)

    where almost none of the electric power comes from burning coal (or other fossil fuels). There these cars would significantly reduce CO2 emissions.

    Not much point in countries like the US, where it simply moves the CO2 production from the car to the (coal or fracked natural gas) power plant (in some areas more than others, of course).

    Interesting, the comment about Japan . . . the car would have made sense there before they shut down the nuclear plants . . . now there's no reason for it . . .

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 11:08:15 AM PDT

    •  Or how about Germany (2+ / 0-)
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      Calamity Jean, koNko

      where renewables provide already over 20% of all electric power generation.

      As a sidebar, yesterday I saw my second plugin Smart car. There is a recharge infrastructure but it is in its infancy.

      Also, there is a theory that you can use plugins as a storage backup when connected to a smart grid.

      One last point, at the bottom of my road is a valley with a small river, maybe 20 feet wide and a foot deep. For those with houses on the bank of the river, it must be possible to build a "race" to create  enough power to charge the car overnight.

      •  small scale hydro (1+ / 0-)
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        rarely works for more that a few LED bulbs . . . extracting useful power from moving water requires either substantial head or substantial volume (cu ft/min).  And whatever structure traps and controls whatever flow there is at low water has to survive winter floods.

        The German case is . . . interesting.  Most of that short-term peak "renewable" power production is solar, and of no use for overnight charging.  With most of Germany's nukes shut (or shutting) down that leaves wind (intermittent, especially at night, and not a large contributor in any case) and coal (mostly coal) as the fuel for "electric" cars.  Oh, and some nuclear generated electricity purchased from France.  We'll see a more accurate assessment of Germany's electric generating capacity come January . . .

        Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

        by Deward Hastings on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 12:15:15 PM PDT

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        •  Kinda funny you think that - small scale hydro. (1+ / 0-)
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          After all, the industrial revolution started off with using hydropower to operate mills to grind corn or operate weaving machines. Same basis as the Dutch windmills - used to pump water, now the turbines generate electricity.

          Not having any physics since high school, forty years ago, but it seems to me that say 50 cubic meters of water dropping 20 cms every minute would equate to around 10 tons of driving power per minute, or 600 tonnes per hour. Not sure what that would generate, but it would certainly move a 1 tonne vehicle off the blocks.

          We are not talking about industrial scale production, but off the grid incremental ism. Samew principle as putting half a dozen PV cells on the roof.

          •  not funny, just real (0+ / 0-)


            or you might play with the simplified calculations here


            There are lots of hydro sites (just google) that will get you in the ballpark . . . which is that a full size mill wheel might produce the equivalent of a couple horsepower . . . 1-2 Kilowatts . . . perhaps enough to charge a single car overnight.  There are very few riverside sites that will support such a wheel, of course . . . you won't find more than a handfull in the entire SF Bay region, and those are almost all "protected" in parks . . .

            Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

            by Deward Hastings on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 01:21:00 PM PDT

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            •  But I am sitting in Germany (0+ / 0-)

              on the side of an old industrial valley, which have a significant number of old mills which did exactly what you describe.

              And you are approaching the problem from the POV of the old technology. Using a smaller, faster turning wheel connected through gears to a modern dynamo/alternator through gearing would probably be enough to charge a car overnight.

              And a 100 metres down stream, it can be done again.

              In fact there is an old mill in town, now converted to a restaurant, that runs a generator on the old mill race.

              •  that "old technology" (0+ / 0-)

                (of water wheels) was and is about as efficient as it gets.  Using "smaller, faster turning" wheels depends on high pressure (high head) . . . sometimes convenient, often not, but no more efficient.  You really need to revisit that high school physics (or the links provided above).  And by all means go visit that restaurant, and find out just how much power the actually get from that generator.

                There's a reason all those old mills were abandoned (or switched to alternate power) in the first place.  We can fantasize about "free power" or "free electricity" all we want, but Mother Nature doesn't even bother to be amused . . .

                Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

                by Deward Hastings on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 01:48:52 PM PDT

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    •  In our area you can install solar and the utility (2+ / 0-)
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      indycam, koNko

      buys back your excess. So solar panels plus ev equals zero CO2 beyond those from the production of the car and the panels.

      There is only one planet suitable for human habitation in our solar system.

      by too many people on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 12:51:24 PM PDT

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      •  no, it doesn't. (0+ / 0-)

        If the car is charged at night it's still charged by burning coal (at night) that wouldn't otherwise have been burned.  Maybe your "solar buy-back" runs an air conditioner somewhere that would otherwise run on coal, but it doesn't charge your car.

        Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

        by Deward Hastings on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 02:36:22 PM PDT

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        •  Well, in fact, very little of our energy comes (2+ / 0-)
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          indycam, koNko

          from coal, day or night. Our utility is SMUD.  Also, I can charge my car during the morning, afternoon or weekends. I drive less than 20 miles per day, even when I work. Many days I carpool or take mass transit. I could probably get away with just a couple of charges per week, at most.

          However, this only works because of my location, short commute,  and a progressive local utility company.

          Of course, none of this is even near good. I should be cycling to work.

          There is only one planet suitable for human habitation in our solar system.

          by too many people on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 03:43:29 PM PDT

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        •  Not always. Coal plants don't "throttle down" (2+ / 0-)
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          too many people, JeffW
          If the car is charged at night it's still charged by burning coal (at night) that wouldn't otherwise have been burned.
          well (not at all, really), so if your region is powered by coal, the coal would have been burned overnight anyway.  In addition, as obsolete coal plants are retired and replaced with wind, the electricity that charges your car overnight gets progressively cleaner even though you don't do anything to cause that.  Just because there isn't enough wind power nationwide now doesn't mean that there will never be enough.  Wind power is now cheaper on the power company wholesale level than power from a newly built coal burning power plant, so power companies would prefer to build wind farms than coal plants.  Right now natural gas is cheaper than either, so mostly electric companies are building gas burning generators.  If the price of gas goes up, that will change.

          Renewable energy brings national global security.     

          by Calamity Jean on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 04:46:34 PM PDT

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  •  Yah, I'd rather have an iMeiv than the others (1+ / 0-)
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    But that's mostly because I prefer smaller cars. But since I'm poor, the car that would best suit my needs and wants would be a Tata Nano ($2,700) or a brand new 1961 FIAT 600.

    Just think how much CO2 is produced to earn the $30,000 it takes to buy an iMeiv?

  •  This is my favorite EV (0+ / 0-)

    My company has a small fleet of them in Japan and they are quick, roomy and comfortable. Like lots of EV, small on the outside, big on the inside and with plenty of mountain climbing torque.

    What about my Daughter's future?

    by koNko on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 07:17:47 PM PDT

  •  Here are some links (0+ / 0-)

    MiEV Product Homepage Japan (EN version)

    I think this is better than the US page on illustration.

    Fun Stiff - MiEV Pikes Peak Racer

    Unfortunately, due to the terrible fire I think the race was cancelled but we should see how this does later.

    What about my Daughter's future?

    by koNko on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 07:32:09 PM PDT

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