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Republicans are hell-bent on moving forward with repeal as a political issue, even if it's not realistic goal. But just in case, insurance companies are hedging their bets. Here's Sen. Bob Corker, asked about the provision that adult children can stay on their parents' plans until they're 27.
"They're going to continue that [provision] anyway," he said. "I think the insurance companies have all kind of decided that that's an okay thing. They were in our office, they've been in our office in the last few weeks."
So now you know who Republicans are listening to in this. No wonder they don't care about the uninsured or people with pre-existing conditions. They're going to be working for the insurance companies on repeal.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 10:26 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (31+ / 0-)

    "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

    by Joan McCarter on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 10:26:44 AM PDT

  •  They want the mandate without such things as (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Puddytat, mrsgoo

    guaranteed issue and community ratings.  Because it means they can charge whatever they want for the sick and elderly.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 10:30:55 AM PDT

    •  I think Repubs will try to get them... (4+ / 0-)

      ...to try to kill the mandate.

      It's the one unpopular part of the bill, so it would be a great victory for Repubs.

      But the Repubs will probably make everything else voluntary, so the insurance companies will keep the good stuff (lifetime limits, staying on parents policies, maybe some pre-conditions) for a year or so, and then take them away when nobody's looking.

      It's a shell game, basically, and the American people are probably stupid enough to fall for it.

      "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

      by Bush Bites on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:39:00 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the Repub bill (2+ / 0-)
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        annieli, Matt Z

        ...focused almost exclusively on repealing the mandate -- heck, they'd probably even get a lot of Dems voting for that.

        They just want the insurance companies to promise they won't pull the rug out from everybody else for at least a  year or two, so the Repubs don't get the blame when all the guarantees collapse and prices skyrocket, which they will.

        "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

        by Bush Bites on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:44:28 PM PDT

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        •  Never would they repeal the mandate, never (2+ / 0-)
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          Matt Z, Sherri in TX

          1) Insurance companies are absolutely depending on it. (At one point, I imagined the Supreme Court as keeping ONLY the mandate and throwing everything else out, just to please the insurance companies.)

          2) the GOP would never ever try to provide the multiple protections for consumers of health care that the ACA does. It's not in their vocabulary, their mentality or their ideology.

          3) for progressives to re-litigate ACA after the Supreme Court rules it constitutional seems like a very silly thing to engage in and is often as full of misinformation and disinformation as the very uninformed general public's take on the law.

          (I've even seen some so called progressives yelling that the health care providers are going to be the ones enriched by the law. Ridiculous. Insurance companies stiff the providers and gouge the consumers. They've got it made, or did until ACA.)

  •  They are going to continue that... (3+ / 0-)
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    Puddytat, mrsgoo, WheninRome

    ...anyway.

    Right. Out of the goodness of their hearts.

    And I'm the Easter Bunny.

    When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 10:35:46 AM PDT

    •  more like... (4+ / 0-)
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      Dube, grover, Matt Z, Sherri in TX

      To the benefit of their bottom line.  This rule is actually   a windfall for insurers.  People under 26 incur very few medical expenses, so parents pay an extra couple thousand a year in premiums for insurance that will rarely be used.

      •  Exactly. (0+ / 0-)

        They're thrilled to have these "kids" onboard with zero marketing and very little admin fees.

        They're the chocolate rabbit that the Easter Bunny left with the marshmallow peeps the insurers were forced to take with the group policy.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 03:38:29 PM PDT

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  •  So if until age 27 is good... (1+ / 0-)
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    Why isn't until age 30 better?

  •  First of all (6+ / 0-)

    It's the cheapest set of people for the insurance companies to continue to insure ( because they are young and on average healthier than older people ).

    Secondly, they won't continue covering even them for long.  They just wait 6 months, go golfing and decide which company goes first and says they will no longer honor keeping young adults on parents insurance.

    Then, of course (duh) the rest of them follow suit and say "we can't compete if they are doing it, we have to too."

    People are seriously gullible to buy this shit.

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 10:52:48 AM PDT

    •  Exactly. (2+ / 0-)
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      mrsgoo, WheninRome

      It's like before the decision came down when they were saying that they would uphold many of the other provisions.

    •  It's also a "starter" period to hook people in.... (1+ / 0-)
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      Sherri in TX

      ...you get the kids say on their parents Emblem Health plan.  Then when it expires you give them an introductory price (which of course you soon jack up) to get them to continue on board.

      As opposed to say leaving a graduate out in the cold who then shops the marketplace for the best plan or none at all.

      While there are portions of the law the insurance companies would not mind nixing we do have to keep in mind that the current health care law was made with a lot of input from the insurance companies as well.

      The lady was enchanted and said they ought to see. So they charged her with subversion and made her watch TV -Spirogyra

      by Taget on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 02:03:53 PM PDT

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  •  it's too late for the rebates going out now (1+ / 0-)
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    mrsgoo

    their last hope was flushed last week.

    all that lobbying and money spent.  not only did they lose, they lost that lobbying money and they have to pay out those rebates!!!

    they went in for the kill but the universe dealt them a dud.

    they knew the rebates were law and still jacked up their prices.  couldn't have happened to a nicer group of people.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 11:01:49 AM PDT

    •  Hedging their bets. (1+ / 0-)
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      they knew the rebates were law and still jacked up their prices
      If they had won, the rebates would not have been happening, but the rate increases would still be in place.  Now, the rate increases either mean they have to pay out more for health care, or the rebates will be going up.
    •  I'm dubious. (0+ / 0-)

      Won't most of these rebates just show up as adjusted charges in people's paychecks? How many people go to the trouble of figuring out why they got a $100 more in their check, especially if they direct deposit?

      "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

      by Bush Bites on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:57:29 PM PDT

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      •  The rebates will also only go back to the employee (0+ / 0-)

        on a percentage basis.  So if the employee pays 10% of the premium then they will get 10% of the rebate....the employer gets the rest.  I am almost certain that most companies will just put it back on their paycheck.

    •  Actually, the insurance I get has been issuing (0+ / 0-)

      small rebates throughout the year.  When I got the first one, which was only about $40 dollars, I didn't know what to think.  I sat on it for about a month before I decided to cash it.

      I've probably gotten about $80 back so far, which, while not huge, is still accountable money.

      Occupy the voting Booth!

      by anonevent on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 03:17:47 PM PDT

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  •  Voluntary regulation. (6+ / 0-)

    Yeah, that'll work.

    "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

    by Bush Bites on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:34:33 PM PDT

  •  I'd love 27, but sadly I believe it's 26, and my (4+ / 0-)

    son has a year to go before poof. ;(

  •  Look comments of AetnaCEO @mtbert on twitter- he's (4+ / 0-)

    talking about an Italian villa's gorgeous views and the squash courts at Aetna's corporate office.

    Single payer, anyone?

    Your premium $$$ at work!

  •  gonna get worse before it gets better but it is (1+ / 0-)
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    the time for all those centrist entrepreneurs to either get behind equitable public exchange mechanisms or products with a socially conscious investment element. Yes there will be hell to pay for those skimming off the emergent chaos up through 2014  

    Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:40:26 PM PDT

  •  No Repeal (2+ / 0-)
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    wsexson, ActivistGuy

    Insurance companies don't want the law repealed.  A mandate to buy their crappy product is a dream come true for them.  No doubt they'll want some of the mandated coverages watered down but there is now way they're going to push for the mandate to be repealed.

    •  Insurance companies will win either way. (1+ / 0-)
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      annieli

      They'd give up the mandate if they can kill some of the guarantees and price controls (meager though they are).

      That's why they were negotiating with the White House on reform but funnelling money to the Chamber of Commerce to fight reform at the same time.

      "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

      by Bush Bites on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:50:34 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  vultures choose only fresh carrion without bias nt (0+ / 0-)

        Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

        by annieli on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 02:18:29 PM PDT

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    •  I don't agree with this. (0+ / 0-)

      Sure, insurance companies get the mandate to carry, but they also have to... you know... provide insurance coverage.

      Between the two, it's probably more profitable for them to be able to deny coverage to sick people while not getting the mandate, than it is to get the mandate but have to do all the other stuff the law requires.

      28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 02:41:48 PM PDT

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    •  I don't see how with all the rules they have to (0+ / 0-)

      follow and having to be monitored with regard to how much profit they pull in.  I would think that greed would make them want to go back to the way it was.

  •  Well, note that the main subject of the HuffPo (6+ / 0-)

    article is GOP lawmakers who are using that provision to keep their adults children on their policies.

    I think this is the real fear of the GOP, and the momentum for repeal: As more of the law comes into effect, people, including many Republicans might, you know, like it. And then you cant repeal it. So stop it before it even gets started.

    The courts were their best chance to do that, and it didnt work.

  •  These must be the kings and queens (2+ / 0-)

    Scott Brown was meeting with in secret.

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:44:32 PM PDT

  •  I am not sure "they are talking to insurance (0+ / 0-)

    companies is a real differentiator?   Sounds familiar.

    Fight on different turf.  Go on the offensiive in September and make Romney reject his own plan a lock him into a cant relate/doesn't care about people like me mode. He doesnt stand up for his own initiatives.  This adminstration does.

    It has to be about resolute leadership and likability.    We can't win on the economy.  It is too late.  And it really isn't about what the insane clown party is doing.

    "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

    by justmy2 on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:44:48 PM PDT

  •  Dasterdly Rethuglicans: (0+ / 0-)

    Only thing worse would be if they met in secret and then got caught.

    Like Cheney and the energy companies.

    Though if one were to really tax themselves, they might be able to come up with another example.

    I voted for Change. Not Three Chiefs of Staff from Wall Street Banks. Not Bernanke, Summers, Geithner, Holder, Simpson, or a Monsanto Lobbyist. Not more Free Trade. Not more Patriot Act. Not defending Wall Street's Savvy Businessmen.

    by Johnathan Ivan on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:52:49 PM PDT

  •  It will be effectively repealed. (3+ / 0-)

    I have predicted that private insurers will use the proceeds from those $100s of billions in new government subsidies and mandated premiums to lobby lawmakers into undoing whatever meaningful (non-loophole) regulations/cost-controls that might have made it into the ACA, along lobbying lawmakers to oppose any future real/meaningful (non-loophole) healthcare regulation.
    Since we know that private insurers got what they wanted with the formation of the law (i.e. no public option, no re-importation of drugs, the individual mandate etc.), it’s no stretch of the imagination to know they will get their way even more when they have 100s of billions of new dollars with which to lobby the government (against any future real/meaningful regulation).
    ACA finances/subsidizes the political opposition to any real/meaningful (non-loophole) healthcare regulation in the future.
    And when ACA fails miserably, because of the reasons I’ve just explained, it will reinforce the republican mantra of ‘government involvement in healthcare is what’s driving up the cost of healthcare’, undermining the hard-fought core Democratic Party philosophy of using the government to regulate private sector greed. People have no idea how bad this will play out.

    •  Sigh. (0+ / 0-)

      You're probably right.

      Though this whole thing, the insurance companies have acted like the slick city lawyers outsmarting the dumb country bumpkins in the White House and Congress.

      They're always looking two steps ahead in order to get something without giving up anything in the end.

      "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

      by Bush Bites on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 02:01:49 PM PDT

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    •  American Big Busisness is the one calculation.. (1+ / 0-)
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      ..that you're overlooking. When all other huge international & national companies with employer based health insurance decide to take on the health insurance industry. Over seas it is already the case in countries with universal health care

      The time has come that in order to compete globally, health insurance will be sloughed off by business unless the insurance industry is willing to greatly reduce its cost to businesses

      Insurance industry have proven they are unwilling to reduce their % of extraction of revenue by any meaningful amount

       A national (single payer or hybrid) will eventaully be the solution.

      The insurance cartels but will not be able to compete with all of the other big businesses on this. Insurance cartels are too expensive a liability. The cost to business will be reduced by Federal coverage instead

  •  Of course the kids are OK. (0+ / 0-)

    More care = more margins, and more preventative care without chronic care makes it easier for them to hit the cap, with the law working as designed.

    ***Be Excellent To One Another***
    IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

    by potatohead on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:58:13 PM PDT

  •  Horseshit! (0+ / 0-)

    No insurance company wants to repeal the ACA! They'd be cutting their own fucking throats!

    They don't care about exclusions or limitations or whatever. THE GOVERNMENT FUNDING WILL MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. They don't CARE about anything except remaining in existence and being allowed to fleece their customers.

    And Obama just made the US government their BIGGEST customer to fleece. You are dead wrong in this 'scoop', but one thing is true: Only a Republican, especially a SENATOR, would believe for a second that repealing this law was even remotely possible. It's pretty obvious that these 'insurance companies' sitting in GOP Senators' offices are just there for COVER. Lip service to the Tea-brainers who GAVE them the ACA instead of Medicare for Everyone.

    "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

    by DaddyO on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:59:30 PM PDT

    •  And the insurance companies shoveled money... (1+ / 0-)
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      ....to the Chamber of Commerce to fight reform why?

      "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

      by Bush Bites on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 02:05:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The insurance companies have been fighting it the (0+ / 0-)

      whole time.  With all of the regulations and being able to choose who to cover and for how much, they will lose and they know it.   The insurance companies were not going under, they had record profits and they held all the reins before.  

    •  Don't forget the expansion (0+ / 0-)

      of the Community Health Centers.  ACA provides lots of money to build new centers, and to expand existing centers and upgrade equipment, so they can provide services for more people.  If the Community Health Centers continue to expand, eventually we will arrive at Universal Health Care!  

      Could it be that the mandate is simply a carrot for the insurance companies so the law could get passed? I'm hoping that the health insurance industry will begin to shrink as the Community Health Centers expand and other provisions of ACA begin to take effect.    

      -6.63, -6.87 Just to the left of the Dalai Lama

      by ronik on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 04:47:50 PM PDT

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  •  Repuglicans... (4+ / 0-)

    Big tent party!

    Every racist, bigot, theocrat, corporatist, moron and clown with an axe to grind and either $$ in their pocket or a friendly vote is welcome.

    GOP:  Creators of captive markets.

    ***Be Excellent To One Another***
    IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

    by potatohead on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 02:00:22 PM PDT

  •  as more of ACA kicks in, (4+ / 0-)

    the harder it will be for repeal. there's a reason social security is (still, i think) known as politic's "third rail", it's considered a political death sentence to fool around with it. i believe, given time, ACA will become politic's second "third rail".

  •  They'd need to be (0+ / 0-)

    They're telling Big Insurance that the 30 million plus new individual profit centers  the Obama bill guaranteed them are to be taken away.  They need to serve up some extra-jumbo helpings of lucre to make up for that loss of potential income for some of the biggest businesses  in the world.

    The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges. ~ Anatole France

    by ActivistGuy on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 02:25:04 PM PDT

  •  The difference between Dems and Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans actually believe that when companies see it as unprofitable to do the right thing, they'll do the right thing without any sort of government regulations.

    28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 02:39:11 PM PDT

  •  Our insurance had always allowed it until they (0+ / 0-)

    are 25 if they were students.  But who is a student that long, unless you are in law or medicine?

  •  Bastards (1+ / 0-)
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    Someone should have told the Administration before any of this started that no matter how thoroughly they lined the damned insurance companies' pockets, they'd eventually bite the hand that was feeding them.  We have basically guaranteed these greedy bastards an annual income; showered them with corporate welfare, and look  what they do.

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by jg6544 on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 02:54:11 PM PDT

  •  MSM plz REPORT what's in ACA, NOT the politics! (0+ / 0-)

    if the MSM would report what's in the damn bill, the numbers would surge for it. Also, I get so sick of polls reporting folks who dont like ACA - a significant number of these are "against it" because it does not go far enough! These folks do not want it overturned by and large.

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