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The very catholic Sheriff Joe Arpaio has received some strong support from his church in the form of violent retaliation against a critic of the sheriff, scott huminski, by Mercy Gilbert Hospital of Gilbert, Arizona.  The hospital staff, according to a federal lawsuit ...

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Attempted to murder Huminski (a plaintiff in the Justice Department lawsuit against Arpaio) and subjected Huminski to torture and kidnapping.  Everything seems fine in the toughest sheriff in America's turf.

Mercy Gilbert Hospital, Catholic Health West (now Dignity Health), is part of a network of Catholic affiliated hostipals.  Dignity health owns hundreds of hospitals in the western United States.

Originally posted to scottban on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 09:32 AM PDT.

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  •  Your link is broken. (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Though your link is broken... (4+ / 0-)
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    Murphoney, marykk, Unit Zero, Timaeus

    ...and thus I'm not able to read anything about this federal lawsuit, I find it difficult to believe that the Roman Catholic Church itself was involved.

    Despite their being bass-ackwards on just about every other issue (and their deep involvement in covering up the sexual abuse of children by priests), the Roman Catholic hierarchy has, on the whole, been pretty progressive on immigration issues, which stands in stark contrast to the position Arpaio is probably best known for.

    If the allegations are true, I don't doubt that some hospital staff with ties to Arpaio could have been involved—but the idea that the Roman Catholic Church was involved in protecting someone who has gained notoriety for being almost entirely the opposite of the Church on immigration issues, simply because he's a fellow Roman Catholic, strains credulity to me.

    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

    by JamesGG on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 10:12:49 AM PDT

    •  Catholics and Arpaio (0+ / 0-)

      The formal public position of the Catholic Church and the actual mindset of the Church and it's members/officials need not always be the same.

      Do as I say, not as I do ... Typical institutional hypocrite conduct.

      •  That's very vague, and this is an extraordinary (3+ / 0-)
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        claim.

        It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

        by Murphoney on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 10:31:55 AM PDT

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        •  It is not remotely extraordinary, sorry. (0+ / 0-)

          The suit was filed and there is no rational reason to believe that it is false.

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 07:07:39 PM PDT

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      •  And yet, your allegation is against the Church. (4+ / 0-)
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        The Church, to my knowledge, is not named in this lawsuit—so even if the allegations are true, that does not implicate the Roman Catholic Church anywhere.

        Furthermore, consider the demographics of the Roman Catholic Church in America, in which Latinos are a significant and growing population even as other demographic groups leave the church. What reason would anyone in the Roman Catholic hierarchy involve the church in these actions—if the alleged actions took place—and risk alienating that significant portion of the Roman Catholic Church in America, for the sake of someone who takes a position against that significant population?

        The allegations in the lawsuit are themselves questionable, but you go well beyond even those allegations in suggesting the Roman Catholic Church's involvement—without providing even a shred of evidence for your assertion. It would behoove you to present some evidence in the future if you're going to make an extraordinary claim like this.

        "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

        by JamesGG on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:42:26 PM PDT

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  •  This is a pretty attenuated connection (3+ / 0-)
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    and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

    If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

    by marykk on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 10:46:34 AM PDT

  •  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary (3+ / 0-)
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    proof

    Without proof that the Catholic Church is involved this just CT.

    HR's to follow without this proof.

    If you play Microsoft CD's backwards, you hear satanic things, but that's nothing, because if you play them forwards, they install Windows.

    by Unit Zero on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 11:00:14 AM PDT

    •  PROOF (0+ / 0-)

      The court papers is authored under oath and has been forwarded to state and federal law enforcement.

      If false it is perjury.  Supplying false information to state and federal law enforcement is also a separate crime.

      The church is covering this up --- just like child sex crimes.  Or is it that the Catholic Church would never cover-up wrongdoing they are liable for... ... Very naive.

      •  Orly Taitz has provided many (4+ / 0-)
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        court papers under oath...

        This does not provide proof.

        If you play Microsoft CD's backwards, you hear satanic things, but that's nothing, because if you play them forwards, they install Windows.

        by Unit Zero on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 11:09:01 AM PDT

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      •  The court papers you link... (4+ / 0-)
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        ...make allegations against the hospital and several people there, and in no way suggest that the Roman Catholic Church or its hierarchy were in any way involved in the alleged acts—unless, that is, I'm missing that part, in which case you are invited to quote it for me.

        Furthermore, the fact that something is in a court filing that someone attests to under oath does not make it "proof" of anything. Evidence is required.

        "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

        by JamesGG on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:05:32 PM PDT

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    •  It's bash the Catholics day (3+ / 0-)
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      see wreck list...

      assassinations, cover ups, hegemony not seen since the middle ages...

      Of course, no other religion has ever exhibited such behavior in the past or currently, wouldn't be PC to bring that sh*t up.

      let's catch up, shall we?

      Somebody said Party! I got excited. I love Parties! Especially Parties with exclamation marks! Now I'm sad because there's not a Party! h/t AnnetteK ;-)

      by EdMass on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 11:07:20 AM PDT

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  •  Mercy Gilbert is owned by Diginity Health... (3+ / 0-)
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    an SF-based NFP, with ties to the Catholic Church, but certainly not under its direct governance.

    Dignity Health "Governance & Leadership"

    Even so, I don't see the local leap to kidnapping and murder from -- what did this have to do with Arpaio?

    It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

    by Murphoney on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 11:02:19 AM PDT

  •  Why pro se? (2+ / 0-)
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    The Dignity folks are not my favorite people in the world. That begin said, why were these pleadings filed pro se? If there was credible proof of any of this being true, it would be relatively easy to find legitimate and effective legal representation on a contingent fee basis.

  •  WTF! (3+ / 0-)
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    It's really bizarre reading this set of accusations; they seem almost insanely nuts.  Clearly the story needs to be expanded and investigated to be properly understood.

    I have a hard time believing that an entire Emergency Room staff would collectively participate in such insane behavior, what the hell REALLY happened here?

    Did the guy go nuts for some reason and NEED restraint?  If he was fucked up and they believed it, they'd have some professional responsibility to care for him against his (impaired) wishes, right?

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 11:13:01 AM PDT

    •  Nuts (0+ / 0-)

      According to the complaint, the leader of the unnamed defendants instigated violence and the need to cover-up the attempted murder took over guiding the conduct of the defendants.

      Isn't it human nature to cover-up one's criminal acts instead of confessing to police to a potentially serious crime?

      •  Actually, the complaint doesn't identify a leader (1+ / 0-)
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        of the named defendants.  

        The complaint mentions one specific act committed by one particular John Doe and does not specify who instigated nor participated in the restraint, drugging or any other violent acts that you are referring to, to which the complaint does not refer.

        The complaint does not specify who instigated nor participated in a cover up, other than Tim Dorn and 'the named defendants.'  The complaint does not specify any acts or proof of cover up, nor what this cover up might entail.

        scottban -- do you have information about these events that are not contained in this complaint?

        It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

        by Murphoney on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 11:47:18 AM PDT

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      •  I don't think it's the nature of medical pros... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...to collectively take part in a six-way beatdown of a patient in their facility.

        I can imagine it if there was some fleshing out of the facts, what was the motive?  Are ALL of them in some sort of conspiracy that they hadda protect?

        Most professionals want to protect their profession and integrity, hard to do that by joining in with some sort of staff-riot in the middle of their facility!

        "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

        by leftykook on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:47:04 PM PDT

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  •  Catholics 4 Arpaio (0+ / 0-)

    Catholics 4 Sheriff Joe Arpaio & Murder

    According to court papers filed in United States District Court (phoenix) an Arizona Catholic Hospital, Mercy Gilbert Hospital (Dignity Health, Inc.), has shown solidarity with Sheriff Joe Arpaio with an attempted murder of a plaintiff in United States of America v. Maricopa County (Arpaio), et al..

    According to court papers, Mercy Gilbert Hospital attempted to murder a plaintiff in the civil rights lawsuit pending in federal court, United States of America v. Maricopa County (Arpaio), et al.. Catholic Health West (now Dignity Health) via Mercy Gilbert Hospital, according to court papers, kidnapped, tortured and attempted to murder Scott Huminski, a plaintiff in the Justice Department lawsuit against Arpaio. Arpaio's parents immigrated from Italy and the sheriff and his family are Catholics that have garnered support from the Catholic church and allegedly from Catholic hospitals.

    The federal lawsuit requests 30 Million in damages, an injunction and declaratory relief from Dignity Health and Gilbert Mercy Hospital. Huminski recounted that immediately before the murder attempt, staff at Mercy Gilbert Hospital called him a
    spic-greaser-taco-bender-loving
    expletive in true Arpaio style concerning Huminski's participation in USA v. Arpaio.

    Catholic hospital supports Arpaio with Attempted Murder, kidnapping and torture.
    Federal lawsuit at:
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    http://www.scribd.com/....

  •  Well the Catholic Church is evil and loves murder, (0+ / 0-)

    as any glance at history will tell you, so I'll just assume this is correct until the Nazi Pope decides to come over and explain to me how this isn't true.

    Or, at least sends me an email, assuming the shambling mummy in the goofy hat knows how to use a computer.

  •  I'm sorry (3+ / 0-)
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    I do not see any attempted murder or kidnapping from the events described in the lawsuit.
    I quick google search reveals that Mr. Huminski seems to be stalking people, people who are friends with Arpaio.
    That is a REALLY, REALLY bad idea.
    http://www.sheriff-arpaio.com/

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:03:23 PM PDT

  •  One of the worst diaries ever published here. (0+ / 0-)

    Just to associate Arpaio with the Catholic Church is so evil (or as Markos would say, "dickish") that it deserves immediate banning or other discipline.

    This diarist is not only a fool.  He's also a major bigot.

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