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There is a new distortion out there and we need to fight it quickly. This is the source.

http://www.theblaze.com/...

Though Barack Obama assured the middle class he would not raise taxes on those making less than $200,000 a year, Moore’s research shows that in reality, a significant percentage of the burden will be shouldered by those making $120,000 or less by the year 2016.

You remember the president’s promise that when he was elected, no one making under $200,000 would pay a dime more in taxes…Again, whatever you want to call it Alisyn, fines, taxes, penalties, but three quarters of those costs will fall on the backs of families who make less than $120,00 a year, so it’s a big punch in the stomach to middle class families.”

Somehow this has morphed into headlines all over the internet saying things like.
Make less than 120000 a year You might pay for 75 percent of ObamaCare.html

http://www.deseretnews.com/...

This is complete crap.

They're making it seem like Obama lied about not raising taxes on those making less than 250K.

You only pay this if you don't have any coverage. Yes you personal responsibility fetishists - This is what you need to pay (unless you really can't afford it), for the fact that everyone else is going to take care of your medical bills when you "go to the emergency room" like George W Bush said you could.

They make it seem like 75% of the entire healthcare costs of the United States under Obamacare is going to be paid by these penalties. I don't have the numbers but I have to think that is a teeny tiny piece of our overall healthcare system. The lions share of it will be paid for by people who actually buy health insurance.

While we have been enjoying the fourth of July weekend these nuts have been propagating this lie all over.

Run this search and see what I'm talking about.
http://www.google.com/...

I don't see anywhere where anyone is debunking this.

Democrats in office, democrats everywhere please please please call BS on this thing.

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  •  Tip Jar (6+ / 0-)

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

    by CTMET on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 05:38:22 AM PDT

  •  I have no interest in pushing back... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Roadbed Guy, doc2, FiredUpInCA

    ...against every stupid Republican lie.  Nobody pays anything unless they refuse to take some minimal responsibility for their own health insurance, and with the subsidies the only people with some significant new expense are those who haven't gotten insurance out of misguided selfishness based on inability to understand risk.  I suspect some of these people are happy for the prodding to do something they know they should have done before anyway, especially if they have a family, and the rest are probably either Republicans already or can't be motivated to vote any more than they were motivated to take some responsibility for their own future via health insurance.

    Romney '12: Bully for America!

    by Rich in PA on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 05:53:01 AM PDT

    •  Yes, to push back against every Repub lie (2+ / 0-)
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      entrelac, FiredUpInCA

      would require some unique ability to travel back in time, you know, just so you'd have enough time to address them all  . . ..

      Besides, insofar as ObamaCare may actually SAVE $$s, I suppose that a succinct counterargument may be that 75% (or however much) of the savings will accrue to those making under $120K (not that the Repubs have ever cared about this demographic before, why are they starting now?)

      •  I know there are so many freakin' lies its (1+ / 0-)
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        FiredUpInCA

        impossible, but if someone walks up to you and starts spouting this crap its always nice to have something in your pocket that you've seen before to put them in their place.

        The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

        by CTMET on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 06:38:54 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Why? (0+ / 0-)

          Who cares what some random winger has to say? Just walk away, or kick him in the stomach and then walk away. You'll never convince a fundie that Obamacare, or anything else involving Obama, is a good thing, no matter what arguments you have in your back pocket. You know this, right?

          •  Its not the hardcore ones I'm worried about. Its (0+ / 0-)

            the casual don't know alot about anything people I'm worried about.

            The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

            by CTMET on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 04:21:57 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  Just because they don't care about helping the (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        FiredUpInCA

        demographic doesn't mean they don't want to exploit the demographic.

        The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

        by CTMET on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 06:42:30 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  My point was that it's so freakin' obvious (1+ / 0-)
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          CTMET

          that they don't give a flying fuck about this demographic (besides exploiting them like you say), that if it's necessary to rebut any fake concern they profess in this regard your rebuttal is most likely to fall on willfully ignorant/unhearing ears . . . .

          •  Obvious to you and me, not to all the ignorant (0+ / 0-)

            masses out there.

            The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

            by CTMET on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 07:03:13 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  There has been some debunking (1+ / 0-)
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    FiredUpInCA

    in comment threads on news boards where this has been spouted. They just keep posting it, and we just keep debunking it. The problem is, the more we debunk, the more they post. And, depending on the board, they can essentially "hide rate" (thumbs down) us to death as well so we're not as well seen while their buddies uprate them so our hiderates mean less.

    "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

    by FloridaSNMOM on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 05:55:23 AM PDT

  •  Isn't "The Blaze" Glen Beck's (0+ / 0-)

    den of dementia?

    I just laugh at anything anyone quotes from him.  The guy is seriously unhinged.

    David Koch is fucking Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

    by PsychoSavannah on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 06:26:30 AM PDT

  •  The conflation the Blaze engages upon is simple (4+ / 0-)
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    CTMET, 1918, FiredUpInCA, Catte Nappe

    Moore's "research" says that, 75% of the time an individual or family without current coverage elects penalty over a policy bought through the exchanges they will be earning less than 120K per year.

    Maybe he is right on the costs to this slice of the pie of uninsured - who elect to remain uninsured. Perhaps he is not. More likely he does not know anything - for the outcome depends on behavior, a highly unpredictable factor.

    The Blaze then takes this estimate by Moore, uses the higher figures which might apply to such a sub-set in 2016 and intimates it might then cover 75% of the cost of ACA. On the backs of the middle class.

    Which, you might note, is not at all what even smirking Steve of the WSJ said.

    Then the deseret news baldly states that

    Americans making less than $120,000 a year will cover 75 percent of Obama's new health care law's costs
    Thus is a falsehood birthed from an estimate, itself having marginal merit.

    It is is the reverse of the aged aphorism: statistics -> lies -> damnable lies.

    •  I know its demoralizing, but it gets repeated and (1+ / 0-)
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      ItsSimpleSimon

      repeated over and over. Actually its worse the lie mutates and gets more egregious each time its transmitted. In this case the mutation isn't an accident its malicious.

      The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

      by CTMET on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 06:41:20 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Also in WSJ editorial (3+ / 0-)
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        CTMET, Losty, ItsSimpleSimon

        WSJ also running with this lie. Some Repub asked the CBO about taxes being affected for those earning 120k or less and and CBO probably came back with that estimate. Should be 92-120K but there are some many lies out there...Obama said he would call them out for lying but "crickets" from his team. Case in point - the obnoxious Peggy Noonan said that Insurance would go up 40% according to an informed friend of hers. Why not challenge her to produce this friend or shut her pie hole?

    •  or a shorter version: (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      ItsSimpleSimon

      liars can figure & figures can lie.

  •  Doesn't Obama have some rapid response group? (0+ / 0-)

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

    by CTMET on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 06:43:19 AM PDT

    •  apparently not. the nazis used the rw's (0+ / 0-)

      tactics -- or maybe that should be: the rw is using the nazis' tactics -- of smear & fear to steal elections they couldn't win outright, bully & intimidate the free press, & manipulate facts to suit their narrative.

      it's no surprise, either, given how doug coe (the r's spiritual adviser extraordinaire) admires how hitler (& stalin & mao) dealt with his (their) enemies.  

      if you want to highlight something eggregious that glenn & his rw ilk are doing, why not emphasize the similarities they have with fascist dictatorships & their manipulation & extortion of the free press & people?

  •  The word I'd use to describe this latest GOP... (0+ / 0-)

    ...piece of disinformation is the word I use to describe other GOP attempts at massive mendacity-- lies. I hope Democrats start using the word "lie" and not try to pussyfoot around when describing GOP lies.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

    by alaprst on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:45:10 AM PDT

  •  I wondered when someone would get around (0+ / 0-)

    to pushing back on the lie that it raises the taxes of the middle class!

    YOU ONLY PAY THIS IF YOU DON'T BUY INSURANCE!!!!

    They can call it a tax all they want to, but it's a penalty that you only pay if you insist on being a freeloader

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