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Yes, you read that correctly.

According to a recent PPP poll that was released just a short time ago, more people in Oregon support the Green Bay Packers, who have recently been touting themselves as "America's Team", than the Seattle Seahawks, which goes against the assumption that, if Portland or some other city in Oregon doesn't have its own team in a major professional sports league and Seattle, Washington does, Oregonians will, by and large, support the Seattle-based team.

According to the PPP poll, 16% of Oregonians identified as Packers fans, compared to 15% for the Seahawks, 10% for the 49ers, 8% for the Cowboys, 6% for the Broncos, 6% for the Raiders, 3% for the Giants, and 2% for the Chargers. 34% of Oregonians either support an NFL team that wasn't among the ones listed in the poll or don't have a favorite NFL team.

We haven't gotten PPP polling from Wisconsin, Virginia, and North Carolina that they have promised yet, but I'd love to see what percentage of Wisconsinites support the Packers.

Link to Oregon Miscellany poll data from PPP

Originally posted to Aaron Camp on DailyKos on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:20 AM PDT.

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  •  What are you talking about? (2+ / 0-)

    The Sonics played for the NBA championship...

    Oh, wait...


    Somebody said Party! I got excited. I love Parties! Especially Parties with exclamation marks! Now I'm sad because there's not a Party! h/t AnnetteK ;-)

    by EdMass on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:27:15 AM PDT

  •  the packers are my adopted team (7+ / 0-)

    i support them because they're collectively owned.  dunno how representative i am of oregonians, but there it is.

    Die with your boots on. If you're gonna try, well stick around. Gonna cry? Just move along. The truth of all predictions is always in your hands. - Iron Maiden

    by Cedwyn on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:28:36 AM PDT

  •  Oregonians know that Packers are community owned (6+ / 0-)

    It is not a hard choice, really.    Not much contest -- a team owned by billionaires  (Allen and Nordstrom) vs a team owned by the community.

    Back in my day I think the San Francisco 49ers were much more popular than the Seahawks (well, the 49ers actually made it to things like the Super Bowl) and there are probably more ex-Californians in Oregon than ex-Washingtonians.

    •  You do know (1+ / 0-)
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      that Packer shares are all non-voting and thus still have no affect on team ownership?

      Another means to raise funds alongside public funding for the stadium.

      Nice to hang on the wall if you bleed green and gold.


      One of the more remarkable business stories in American history, the Green Bay Packers organization has been kept viable by its shareholders — its unselfish fans. Even more incredible, the Packers have survived during the current era, permeated by free agency and the NFL salary cap.
      oops, that darn salary cap, free agency thing...
      All proceeds from the most recent offering are going toward the expansion of Lambeau Field, a $143 million project that includes approximately 6,700 seats, new HD video boards, a new sound system and two new gates. The new sound system was in place for the 2011 season, the new video boards and one gate will be ready for 2012 and the new seats and second gate will debut for the 2013 season.

      To protect against someone taking control of the team, the articles of incorporation prohibit any person from owning more than 200,000 shares.

      sign up here, suckers...(an editorial comment, of course)

      Somebody said Party! I got excited. I love Parties! Especially Parties with exclamation marks! Now I'm sad because there's not a Party! h/t AnnetteK ;-)

      by EdMass on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:49:31 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  From Wiki: (4+ / 0-)
        The Green Bay Packers Board of Directors is the organization that serves as the owner of record for the Green Bay Packers football club. The Packers have been a publicly owned, non-profit corporation since August 18, 1923. The corporation currently has 111,921 stockholders, who collectively own 4,749,925 shares of stock. There have been five stock sales, in 1923, 1935, 1950, 1997, and 2011. Shares in 1923 sold for $5 apiece, while in 2011 the shares were issued at $250 each.

        The National Football League, of which the Packers are a member, does not allow corporate membership, and instead requires clubs to be wholly owned either by a single owner, or small group of owners, and requires that at least one owner owns a 1/3 stake in the team.

        That's to prevent the evil fans from taking over any other teams. O the horror!
        The Packers are granted an exemption to this rule, as they have been a publicly owned corporation since before the rule was in place. August J. Rimer was the original owner of the Packers.[1]

        The corporation is governed by a seven-member Executive Committee, elected from a board of directors. The committee directs corporate management, approves major capital expenditures, establishes board policy and monitors management's performance in conducting the business and affairs of the corporation.

        The elected president of the executive committee, currently Mark H. Murphy, represents the corporation at the NFL owners meetings and other league functions. The president is the only officer who receives compensation. The balance of the committee is sitting gratis.

        So there really is no ownership taking a profit. The Packers will never, ever move to greener pastures because some big city offers their billionaire owner a new stadium for free. The team owns Lambeau and has, to my knowledge, never hit up the city of Green Bay for cash to expand or maintain it. With a population of 100,000 they couldn't afford it even if they wanted to pay for that stuff.

        The Packers belong to the cheeseheads who buy stock and season tickets and jerseys.

        "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

        by happy camper on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 11:02:46 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  But The Ducks are corporately owned (1+ / 0-)
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      and they seem to like them some.

  •  not many people like the SeaHonks here. (3+ / 0-)
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    3goldens, citizenx, DoLooper

    I would be hard pressed to just go out and find a Seahawks fan. OTOH packers fans are everywhere.

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    by rexymeteorite on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:41:46 AM PDT

  •  The Packers are my second-favorite team... (0+ / 0-)

    ...behind the New England Patriots (former Patriot Tedy Bruschi was my favorite NFL player), and I'm from Illinois!

    "We don't have government anymore, we have an auction." -Lori Compas

    by DownstateDemocrat on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:41:49 AM PDT

    •  DownstateDem - It's the colors (0+ / 0-)

      The Packers and the University of Oregon Fighting Ducks have the same colors, Green and Yellow.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 10:30:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I, too, am from Illinois (1+ / 0-)
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      but unlike you, my first-favorite football team is the Packers.  I come by it honestly, though, as my father was born and raised in central Wisconsin, and his father actually owned shares in the team back in the 1950s.

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      by wordene on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 11:10:48 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  As a former Oregonian Packer fan......... (1+ / 0-)
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    you can't underestimate the competitiveness (and something of an inferiority complex) felt by many Oregonians toward Seattle.  Also, some of the anti-Seattle sentiment is conditioned because of the INTENSE rivalries over the years between the UW Huskies and UO Ducks, as well as the old Sonics and the Blazers.

    And it's not like huge majorities embrace the Packers over the Seahawks; but I'd be surprised if there wasn't a small plurality that rejects the Seahawks.

    Finally, it doesn't help that the Seahawks, on balance, haven't been a very good team over the years.

    Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. --Margaret Mead

    by The Knute on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:43:48 AM PDT

    •  There are many people in central/southern IL (1+ / 0-)
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      ...that pull for the Rams or the Colts because they absolutely hate anything associated with Chicago, including the Bears. I'm from Central Illinois and I only know of about 4 or 5 people that are Bears fans, whereas there are many Rams, Colts, and Packers fans.

      "We don't have government anymore, we have an auction." -Lori Compas

      by DownstateDemocrat on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:54:48 AM PDT

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  •  In wisconsin, 117% are shareholders, (7+ / 0-)

    and fully 147.93% of them support the Packers. I heard rumors that a Bears fan tried to move to Wisconsin, but it turned out to be untrue.

    Much like that huge grove of aspen in Colorado that turned out to be one entity, Packers Fans in Wisconsin constitute one huge biomass.

    But at least Chicago has a stainless steel UFO toilet bowl for a stadium.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:51:11 AM PDT

  •  In other BREAKING NEWS (3+ / 0-)

    Water is wet,
    I'd report that the sky is blue, but it rains too frequently here in the Pacific North West to actually see the sky.

    What have the Seahawks done to make Oregonians love them?   Heck even refs hate the Seahawks.  

    It would be nice to have a pro team up here in Seattle that wasn't owned my a "Me First" billionaire.

    “that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” Thomas Jefferson

    by markdd on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:58:29 AM PDT

  •  You've Got to Like the Vikings (1+ / 0-)
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    They are a lot like what the Red Sox use to be. They are a cursed team and only an extraordinary astromonical event like what happened in 2004 will break this curse.

    Between the NHL, NFL, MLB and NBA, the Minnesota Vikings have played the most complete seasons without winning a championship.

    •  Hmmm. (0+ / 0-)

      seems to me some other teams are cursed too

      Bills (4 Super Bowl losses)

      Bengals (22 years since their last playoff victory)

      Browns (have never been to the Super Bowl, owner moved the team to Baltimore and won a Super Bowl)

      Cardinals (hardly any playoff appearances at all and when they finally get to the Super Bowl they get jobbed by the refs)

      •  Not on My Metric (1+ / 0-)
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        The Vikings are a lot a like the Red Sox because for the most part they are a powerhouse franchise that never quite make it.  They've got 4 Super Bowl losses + three heart breaking NFC championship losses, plus a heart breaking loss in a playoff game to the Dallas Cowboys.

        In 1988, Darren Nelson dropped a pass in the endzone on the last play of the game that would have sent the championship to overtime. The Redskins would then crush the Borncos in the Superbowl. In 1975, refs blew a call on a Hail Mary pass that costed the Vikings the playoff game. Bud Grant has maintained that was the best Vikings team ever. In 1998, the first field goal missed in the season costed the Vikings the NFC championship game to Atlanta. The Vikings were favored to win the Superbowl. Then just a couple of years ago, the refs stole the NFC game to the Saints - (we've learned that the Saints were also cheating).

        Bills: AFL championships in 1964 and 1965.

        Bengals: Not in the league as long as the Vikings

        Browns have won a multitude of NFL championships

        Cardinals, more like the Cubs, but they did win a championship a long time ago.

        If you don't count the Bills AFL championships because the were in the AFL, then the Bills clock starts running in 1967 rather than 1961 like the Vikings do.

        •  That 98 game featured the 'prevent offense' (0+ / 0-)

          When the game's on the line, stop taking the risks that have gotten you so close to victory, and instead play it safe.  And lose the game because of it.

          Also used by Stanford in their 2012 bowl game.  My teams, both of them are cursed...

        •  Although technically, the Vikings won... (0+ / 0-)

          ....the 1969 NFL Championship in the last year the NFL and AFL were separate leagues (before losing the Super Bowl to the Chiefs).

          9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

          by varro on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 03:56:43 PM PDT

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      •  Remember (0+ / 0-)

        Before the Superbowl, there were NFL and AFL championships. If you don't count the AFL championships, then you can only consider the AFC teams as starting in 1967.

  •  I joke that Seattle (2+ / 0-)
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    DownstateDemocrat, happy camper

    is where good players go to become mediocre.

    "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

    by CFAmick on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 11:00:56 AM PDT

  •  Back when I lived in Wis., (1+ / 0-)
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    a very long time ago, we used to joke that it was illegal not to watch the Packers on Sundays.

    These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people... -Abraham Lincoln

    by HugoDog on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 11:08:18 AM PDT

  •  missing questions in the poll (1+ / 0-)
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    I see they asked if Oregonians would like to have an MLB team in the state, but didn't ask the same about an NFL team. Probably because there has been at least some effort in getting an MLB team, but I would have like to have seen what percentage would be interested in getting an NFL team - and how that compares to MLB interest.

    Also wonder if support for a publically financed NFL stadium would beat out the 19% support for an MLB stadium.

  •  It's because Paull Allen (0+ / 0-)

    is such a nerdweeb.

    Can you call yourself a real liberal if you aren't reading driftglass?

    by CJB on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 11:22:10 AM PDT

  •  this part of the poll (2+ / 0-)
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    DownstateDemocrat, rosarugosa

    is more interesting to me:

    Would you describe yourself as very liberal,
    somewhat liberal, moderate, somewhat
    conservative, or very conservative?
    Very liberal ...................................................... 15%
    Somewhat liberal ............................................ 21%
    Moderate......................................................... 27%
    Somewhat conservative.................................. 22%
    Very conservative ........................................... 15%

    If you are a Democrat, press 1. If a Republican,
    press 2. If you are an independent or identify
    with another party, press 3.
    Democrat ........................................................ 46%
    Republican...................................................... 30%
    Independent/Other.......................................... 25%

    although 1% fewer people identify as "liberal", 16% more are registered Dem

    Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.

    by LaughingPlanet on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 12:13:40 PM PDT

  •  NHL team would be the best.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....the Rose Garden is set up for hockey for the Winterhawks (who made it to the WHL final for the second year in a row, but lost again).

    9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

    by varro on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 03:58:28 PM PDT

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