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While Republican governors continue to grandstand over fighting Obamacare, saying they'll refuse to accept the Medicaid expansion, the scope of that refusal is starting to be clear. Ezra Klein has a chart that shows what will happen to poor people in the states that are talking about refusing the expansion. Here's the key sliver of it:

That middle section, in orange, shows the gap of people who will still remain uninsured and ineligible for getting either Medicaid or subsidies to buy insurance. Those left out are people who earn less than 100 percent of the federal poverty line, or $11,170 for an individual, and who aren't currently eligible for Medicaid. Because Medicaid was intended to absorb them, the subsidy levels were set to exclude them.

So there are all these people who would be stuck, well, with the status quo: uninsured with no hope of getting coverage. And they could thank their governors for that.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 03:41 PM PDT.

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  •  Well a Lot of Present Medicaid Beneficiaries Are (3+ / 0-)
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    NoMoreLies, HoundDog, divineorder

    going to be thrown off the system and/or have their benes cut by many states.

    I think Medicaid has dubious survival prospects.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 03:44:09 PM PDT

    •  Maybe, maybe not (2+ / 0-)
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      kyril, tari

      Once taxpayers realize they will have to absorb exorbitant emergency costs.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07.

      by anastasia p on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 07:31:06 PM PDT

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      •  And once they realize that THEY will have to pay (1+ / 0-)
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        nursing home costs for their elderly relatives themselves.

                             Just sayin'

        Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

        by Chacounne on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:50:37 PM PDT

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    •  OT - anim ad at top of article (0+ / 0-)

      I'm seeing a DeLonghi GM6000 ice cream maker that I just added to my Amazon wish list last night. Coincidence? It's also in the ad beneath the Recommends.

      Maybe Santa put it there. ;-)

      "He not busy being born is busy dying." R. Zimmerman

      by RUKind on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 09:06:43 PM PDT

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  •  Medicare for all (12+ / 0-)

    Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 04:21:55 PM PDT

    •  Yes! Join together, ride that magic bus (8+ / 0-)
      All Aboard the Healthcare Express! Medicare for All Bus Tour 2012 ...
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      Now is the time to protect, improve, and expand Medicare — let’s build support now for Medicare for All!

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      By reaching out to seniors and community members who have been hurt by unemployment, foreclosure, declining health coverage, and scarce treatment options, we aim to both serve and educate people. That’s why we need your help.

      If you would like to volunteer some time to conduct basic screenings, meet your neighbors and help NNU build the national case for universal coverage, please sign up here and we'll contact you with more information!

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      How did the Supreme Court decision on ACA help the 23 million still uncovered? Ask the 18,000 Doctors of [url][/url] -- they're not waiting, but working now to pass H.R. 676, the “Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act .

      by divineorder on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 07:52:21 AM PDT

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  •  I was trying to explain the upshot of SCOTUS (4+ / 0-)

    decision to visitors from UK last week - while north of the border in another land with universal health care.

    It was an interesting conversation to say the least - especially when I got to how un-universal our universal health care would still remain. Especially if the Guvnors bitched a fit.

    Nice graphic summarizing what I was trying to get across by placing one hand as the floor and the other as the ceiling of a newly created band of uninsured.

    Would have been handy having that around last week.

  •  Well, we COULD thank our governors, (3+ / 0-)
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    NoMoreLies, divineorder, HoundDog

    but I pointed out how silly this was back during all the PPACA hoopla.

    Adding a bunch of us to a program that is already hated by everyone in the state not actually benefiting from it was a silly move in the first place.

    Call me Cassandra, but I could see this coming when the bill passed. Politicians were already trying madly to keep us off the Medicaid rolls in my state because of the provision allowing them to revert to covering only those originally in the system if it proved too expensive after five years.

    They should have put us in the subsidy class instead of treating us like red-headed step-children.

    Republicans will tell you they didn't read the bill, but, as usual, they were lying. When they found out they could screw us over with very little effort, I'm sure they cackled and twirled their mustaches like the cartoon villains they are.

    PS: I live in Texas.

    "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

    by Brooke In Seattle on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 05:04:17 PM PDT

  •  So, the GOP doesn't want the poorest of the poor (4+ / 0-)

    to go without what the rest of the modern world views as reasonable access to healthcare services.

    Just the poor bastards a teensy, tiny bit better off than them.

    Mostly those who work some, but not full-time, and likely work for minimum wage, at that. Those people can all just fuck off and die, apparently.

    Because under that scenario, it's exactly what will happen.

    What other weak and vulnerable group of Americans will the GOP target next?

    My guess is that pretty soon we're going to be hearing all about Mitt Romney's plans to get rid of the ADA (among the other 5,000 things he's going to do on "Day One"). Because all of the poor businesses are being unfairly forced to make buildings accessible to those who cannot walk.

    (I only wish I were joking here.)

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    -- SCOTUS Justice O.W. Holmes Jr.
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    "A Better World is Possible"
    -- #Occupy

    by Angie in WA State on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 05:07:41 PM PDT

    •  Not even all those people. (6+ / 0-)

      In Texas, you can make ZERO income and still not qualify for Medicaid.

      The only people who get Medicaid in Texas are pregnant women, some children, and certain people with chronic health conditions. The rest of us are just hanging out here, hoping we don't die of a treatable condition.

      There are no health care provisions for healthy, childless adults with no income in Texas -- well, except for the Alan Grayson plan: Don't get sick. If you do get sick, die quickly.

      "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

      by Brooke In Seattle on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 05:15:58 PM PDT

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      •  That's true in most states. (2+ / 0-)
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        Ree Zen, kyril

        Some stretch coverage up to 21...but basically if you're 21-65 and not officially disabled, you're ass out.

        Thinking the "food stamp challenge" teaches you about being poor is like thinking a camping trip will give you insight into being homeless.

        by JesseCW on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 07:34:49 PM PDT

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      •  Just a thought (1+ / 0-)
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        a childless woman with no income with only bad choices in front of her could decide to get pregnant, get income from TANF and qualify for health care.  A better choice than living on the street....

        If you can help my boys supporting families on less than $20K....Like books? Need computer cables?

        by sweettp2063 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:04:35 PM PDT

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        •  Indeed (3+ / 0-)
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          JanL, mchestnutjr, sweettp2063

          That's one of those perverse incentives created in a society that will only deign to provide a social safety net when someone cries "Think of the children!" There are quite a few low-income teenage girls out there who know very well that getting pregnant is their ticket to housing, food, and medical care. Some of them learned from their mothers.

          That's one of the reasons I tend to roll my eyes at the teenage pregnancy 'debate'. Should we have comprehensive sex education, or should we have abstinence-only education, know, like all the low-income girls would stop getting pregnant if we just showed them how. Not going to happen.

          (Poor men, of course, are screwed. Not only are they never getting health care again after they age out of children's Medicaid, but they're the ones the state's chasing after for child support because the women had to declare the kids' fathers for TANF eligibility. Blood from a stone and all that, but they still try.)

          "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

          by kyril on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:26:25 PM PDT

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          •  They actually do get blood from a stone (1+ / 0-)
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            My ex-husband was an abusive scum who never bothered to see his own kids and mostly didn't pay child support.  The state of CA has gotten every dime back for welfare payments made on behalf of the kids. Yet, because of the abuse I feel the SOB deserved it.

            On the other hand, the state is doing the same thing to the father of my youngest child.  He is a fairly decent guy who does not deserve it and wish the state would leave him alone instead of extracting blood from a stone.

            If you can help my boys supporting families on less than $20K....Like books? Need computer cables?

            by sweettp2063 on Sat Jul 07, 2012 at 08:58:08 AM PDT

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  •  So when these thousands and (2+ / 0-)
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    thousands of people show up at their local ER for medical care, who is going to pay the bills?

    The hospitals? The local taxpayers?

    These Repub governors are crazy and mean. Making poor people suffer just to spite Obama.

    YES WE DID! November 4th, 2008

    by Esjaydee on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 05:33:31 PM PDT

  •  My state is opting out (5+ / 0-)

    sadly with our high unemployment as well as 200 teachers being laid off, and most people working only part-time this is going to be a problem and people will still not have access to healthcare.

    I just talked with a woman today who is in her forties, she is already in the state pool (which is now cutting benefits), single and having her part-time hours cut at work.  She will be one of the people hurt by our state opting out.  

    I fear a lot of people are still going to be left out and uninsured.  Per usual a plan where too many people will fall through the cracks.  Couldn't just once do things right the first time around?

    "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

    by zaka1 on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:58:49 PM PDT

    •  It's the result (2+ / 0-)
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      Brooke In Seattle, splashoil

      of having to make every damned thing "corporate-friendly" in order to become law under our hegemony.  Not a one thing ever actually fully or directly addresses the needs of us second-class flesh-and-blood people.  Only the demands of first-class corporate "people" are taken seriously.

      The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges. ~ Anatole France

      by ActivistGuy on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 09:03:14 PM PDT

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      •  Too true (0+ / 0-)

        sorry I couldn't rec'd your comment, because I'm so late in my reply to you.  Things are really a mess right now for so many people.  I hope like all things that this corporate mentality phase passes, and we can move on to a healthy thinking and feeling society where the corporate mentality becomes something for the history books.  

        "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

        by zaka1 on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 12:41:53 AM PDT

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  •  Democrats should propose a law that allow these (8+ / 0-)

    folks to go on Medicare, even if we know the Republicans will shut it down.

    At least, we can say we attempted some provision.  

    We probably should have seen this coming and solved this from the beginning.

    If we don't come up with some solution, the GOP is going to add this to the ammo they have to shoot the whole thing down.

    How sad for the uninsured, and everyone.

    The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by HoundDog on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 07:44:36 AM PDT

    •  Hounddog do you have in mind like HR 676 (9+ / 0-)

      which has been introduced and has strong grassroots support from Docs and Nurses groups ?

      The Expanded & Improved Medicare For All Act (H.R. 676)

      Last week Congressman Welch said

      Such a response would be substantially effective, Welch argued, because Medicare's popularity has remained sky high, even throughout the pitched battle over Obama's healthcare reforms. It's also a political winner, Welch added, because it would remind voters that Republicans have recently supported steep cuts in Medicare benefits. The proposed cuts have already cost Republicans in special elections in New York and Arizona over the last 13 months.

      "In all that has ensued," he said, "the one constant has been the public's support for Medicare."

      How did the Supreme Court decision on ACA help the 23 million still uncovered? Ask the 18,000 Doctors of [url][/url] -- they're not waiting, but working now to pass H.R. 676, the “Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act .

      by divineorder on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:04:42 AM PDT

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    •  Or add them to the exchanges (2+ / 0-)
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      at 100% subsidy. They can't really opt out of the exchanges as the law is written, even if they think they can.

      "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

      by FloridaSNMOM on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 07:36:35 PM PDT

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      •  Wrong (0+ / 0-)

        No obligation to set them up.  No funding for Federal exchanges to replace those not set up by state governors.  Train wreck!

        •  If they don't set them up.. (1+ / 0-)
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          the Feds set it up. That's the way the law reads. They can set it up alone, set it up with the help of the Feds, apply for an exemption because they are doing their own thing (like states with single payer), or the Feds will set it up if the state fails to do so. As for funding, there are two years to get funding worked out. A lot depends what happens in November. But there's still hope for the exchanges.

          "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

          by FloridaSNMOM on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:48:56 PM PDT

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  •  The federal government offering to cover 90% (3+ / 0-)
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    of the expansion costs is not as great of an offer as it first sounds.  That 90% is a much smaller percentage of the federal budget than the 10% is of the average state budget.  It would be like me offering to buy a Bentley for a poor family if they would be willing to pay 10% of the cost.  Even though it would be a heck of a deal, $25000 may be more than they could reasonably afford.  Is 90% really the best the gov't has to offer?  They should stop being cheapskates and pay for 100% of the costs indefinitely.

  •  This chart is incomplete. (10+ / 0-)

    It should be noted that in many states - and Michigan, where I live, is one of them - certain categories of people (here it's childless men) cannot get Medicaid NO MATTER HOW LOW THEIR INCOME.  They'd still be ineligible at zero income.

    It gives hospitals that try to do the right thing, such as the UM Medical Center, immense fits, since they get a huge number of single, virtually penniless men from Detroit and Ypsilanti.  None are eligible for Medicaid, but they treat them anyway, essentially unreimbursed.

  •  I'm screwed (8+ / 0-)

    I've been told that, due to state budget cuts, I'll only be able to teach part-time next year. I'll be paid just over $6000 per semester for teaching 3 university classes. By the time I pay COBRA to continue my medical coverage, I'll be bringing home less than $500 a month. I'm 50, and everywhere I've looked for work tells me I'm overqualified (I have a PhD). I may have to move back in with my parents, who are retired and on fixed incomes themselves.

    Lots of people have it worse than I do.

    This is the American Dream?

    •  For a single person... (0+ / 0-)

      ...that would be enough money ($6,000 x 2 = $12,000) to put you just over 100% of the poverty level.  Per the chart, that means that you might qualify for insurance subsidies if you're single and childless.

      Still, I find it scary that we're depending on Republican governors and legislators to make the sort of rational decisions that would prevent this from being an issue.

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 10:37:02 PM PDT

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      •  I'll check it out (0+ / 0-)

        But I'm not optimistic. I might be able to make it ok on $1000 a month; if I have to pay COBRA, and live on $500--that's going to be rough.

        I have no debt except my mortgage, and my renters pay for that, so it's just utilities and food. It's going to be a lean year.

  •  Equal Protection of the Laws? (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm no constitutional lawyer, but is there any chance this could become court case?

    "Don't believe everything you think."

    by BobboSphere on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 07:33:11 PM PDT

    •  It already was. Medicaid is a voluntary (3+ / 0-)
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      kyril, mumtaznepal, JanL

      joint State-Federal program.

      It was created in 1965, and the last state (AZ) didn't join in until 1987.

      Thinking the "food stamp challenge" teaches you about being poor is like thinking a camping trip will give you insight into being homeless.

      by JesseCW on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 07:38:09 PM PDT

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  •  as much as I disfavor the mandate (2+ / 0-)
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    tari, Liberal Thinking

    I really like the fact that this bill requires state governors to step up in order for their citizens to benefit.  To the extent that they don't, over time, they will be sealing theirs and their party's coffins.

    Oregon:'s cold. But it's a damp cold.

    by Keith930 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:00:12 PM PDT

    •  unfortunately a lot of coffins are being sealed (9+ / 0-)

      and by my count way too many of them belong to people who should still be among us but aren't, because of not being able to afford needed health care.

      I have yet to see evidence that making decisions sealing the doom of people less well off than themselves will keep the people who make these decisions from being elected.

      We need to do a whole lot of work to make our points understood.

      "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" Upton Sinclair

      by beverlywoods on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:15:49 PM PDT

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    •  Good luck with that (1+ / 0-)
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      Liberal Thinking

      Anything less than universal care is bound to fail.  Hullabaloo, Firedoglake, and Emptywheel have discussed this at length.  Many of us expect a train wreck.  Red state governors could care less about the money and the blogging wonks.  Which President has the record of caving?  Which one won't make the case for universal care?  Think about it.

      •  Massachusetts: A 50 State Solution (0+ / 0-)

        Full of Fail, Medical Bankruptcy:

        This poll examines the views of sick adults in Massachusetts regarding the cost and quality of health care in the state as well as their perceptions about their own health care in the past year. "Sick" adults in Massachusetts (27% of adults) are defined as those who said they had a serious illness, medical condition, injury, or disability requiring a lot of medical care or had been hospitalized overnight in the previous 12 months. Focusing on the experiences and opinions of those who have had significant recent medical care yields special insight into the current problems and opportunities facing Massachusetts' health care system.

        Today most sick adults in Massachusetts see the cost of health care as a serious problem for the state, and they view the problem as having gotten worse over the past five years. Sick adults are more troubled by costs than they are by quality.

        Although Massachusetts has nearly universal health insurance coverage, the costs of health care are a serious financial problem for many sick adults and their families. Some sick adults report having been refused medical care for financial or insurance reasons. Additionally, some sick adults say they did not get needed medial care because they could not afford it. Taken together, these finding suggest that insurance coverage does not protect some Massachusetts residents against the financial hardships of illness, likely reflecting recent trends in higher deductibles and co-payments.

        Welcome to the future....  Win The Future...
  •  those states should have (1+ / 0-)
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    a public interest org have permanent fundraising for headstones for their state citizens who die because of lack of healthcare .... with the Governor of state given the credit for the individual's demise;

    those state orgs should make very visible public campaigns  - the headstones could be donated to the families that lose loved ones for lack of health care access;

    and they could also have state campaigns  possibly from the national lawyers guild in their state to make living will legal services for those dying without health care access in their states;

    possible charitable charter flights and pilots could donate air travel to states that would quarantee medical coverage for anyone that can arrange life saving medical treatment out of state;

    maybe the nurses unions in those states could arrange for life saving treatment in other states for children that could be helped if they got medical care in another state  when they could not get treatment in their home state;

    There's no reason to suffer through the grave injustice of U.S. universal health care when there's a robust sampling of countries that aren't industrialized and will happily allow you to not experience Obamacare.

    by anyname on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:16:09 PM PDT

  •  The Roberts court was politically measured (0+ / 0-)

    by allowing GOP run States to refuse the expansion without federal penalties we are avoiding a war, maintain the union. It weakens the health care reform, but people will see the consequences and reconsider their vote next time

  •  Well ... tweet and facebook and share that chart, (1+ / 0-)
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    with the specifics:

    "Here's the LA people who will not get healthcare approved under #ACA because Gov. Jindal turned it down chart link"

    I believe we help each other in times of need. I want all our children to get an excellent education. Every American deserves health care. I love my country. I am a patriot. I am a voter. I am a Democrat.

    by mumtaznepal on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:34:48 PM PDT

  •  they COULD blame their governors (0+ / 0-)

    because that's the convenient thing to do...assign blame to an individual.  They SHOULD blame their know, the simple son of a bitch next door, the guy you work with, who voted that governor into office.

    You think Bobby Jindal gives a rats ass what you think of him?  Try telling your neighbor or coworker who voted for him that they suck...and so does the idiot they voted for...and thank you very little.  

    Until we are willing to break it down on that level, instead of waving hello to each other...Bobby Jindal will be replaced by someone else just like, or worse, than he is.  It's not our politicians,'s us.

    Oregon:'s cold. But it's a damp cold.

    by Keith930 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:35:38 PM PDT

  •  Could we allow just a little social Darwinism here (0+ / 0-)

    I do not understand why liberals feel so inclined to save conservative states from themselves.  If we can make the system work without these unhealthy states that will consume more than they give (give, hell!  The feds are paying for 100% of the expansion!), lets do it and move on.  Let's stop rescuing these states from themselves and let them feel second class again.  Then the majority of their populace, which overwhelmingly supports opting out, might come around.  Or, they can become the servant class like they evidently want to, and probably should have always been for the 5000 years that they say the Earth has been in existence.  And incidentally, I live in one of those states and know of what (and whom) I speak. Conservatives have it right that liberals are enablers - they just haven't realized its the conservatives we are often enabling.

    •  Ugh (1+ / 0-)
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      This is not well put.

      I know what you mean, but this sounds awful.

      As a Californian, I'd love for the schools and police here to have the quarter on the dollar in all the tax money we spend so that red states can have pork.

      GOP: The Party of Acid rain, Abortion of the American Dream, and Amnesty for Wall Street.

      by Attorney at Arms on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:53:24 PM PDT

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    •  Because just enough, rich, old, manipulated people (1+ / 0-)
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      keep voting for Republicans, everyone in the state deserves to suffer?

      Also, the less money you have, the harder it is to move. So, if you argue those who don't like it can just move to better states, it's not realistic. They're already likely drowning in debt and living paycheck to paycheck.

  •  Simple. (0+ / 0-)

    Don't take the money and you can say ACA has "failed."

    GOP: The Party of Acid rain, Abortion of the American Dream, and Amnesty for Wall Street.

    by Attorney at Arms on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:47:46 PM PDT

  •  I'd be worried about this... (0+ / 0-)

    if my governor wasn't John Kitzhaber.

    God, I am so glad we didn't elect Dudley.

    "A man doesn't save a century, or a civilization, but a militant party wedded to a principle can." - Adlai E. Stevenson

    by Zutroy on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 10:06:03 PM PDT

  •  Wondering what it must FEEL like... (0+ / 0-)

    to be a poor uninsured person in a state that arrogantly rejects the Medicaid expansion.

    How many of the excluded ones voted -  or rallied! - for Tea Bag Governors and legislators make political theater at the expense of their lives and the lives of their families.

    Haven't heard a peep from them so far.

  •  Why Are There Only 33 States? (0+ / 0-)

    In this chart?

  •  Extend subsidies to 0%? (0+ / 0-)

    Dear Lord that's ridiculous.
    I think the only reason the subsidies stopped at 100% is because it was figured below that everyone would be on Medicaid. Perhaps there is a way to extend subsidies down to 0% and cover completely below 100%. Virtual Medicaid if you will.

  •  Single Payer (1+ / 0-)
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    Universal health care with everyone covered.  The same standard of care for all regardless of income or class.  Subsidies pay for actual care, not junk parasitical insurance.  Canada, Mexico, even Rwanda have it.  Costs per enrollee are half or less what we are now and will pay with Obama's re-inflated private parasitical insurance.
    Results are the measure.  Only a fool believes what we are being steered toward will work.

    •  Keep repeating it (1+ / 0-)
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      and maybe someday the deaf-niks in Washington will get it, maybe even in my lifetime. It's so obvious and simple that there isn't enough money in it for the financial wizards and consultants and lobbyists, so it's a hard sell.

  •  How about a graph that shows numbers of people (1+ / 0-)
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    without coverage rather than percentages.

    Percentages don't mean a lot to many folks.

    Texas will have a HUGE number of PEOPLE with no coverage.

    Pennsylvania and Florida won't look so hot either.

    "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." -- Patrick Henry

    by BornDuringWWII on Sat Jul 07, 2012 at 05:07:58 AM PDT

  •  Publicly-Funded Healthcare (0+ / 0-)

    Until we have a mandate for the federal government to pay for all essential healthcare out of a progressive tax we will still have unfairness in the system. ACA isn't the answer, and we should still be moving to a fully-public system. The way to do that is to put as many progressives in Congress as possible, and concentrating on electing better members of Congress should be our sole focus this election.

  •  Initial CBO projection: 23 million left uninsured (0+ / 0-)

    We currently have 50 million uninsured. Initially, the CBO projected that PPACA would leave 23 million uninsured. More recently, but before the Supreme Court's decision, that projection was revised to 26-27 million left uninsured. Now that the Supreme Court has allowed states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion, what will that number climb to?

  •  Louisiana's situation (0+ / 0-)

    Louisiana is unique (especially for a red state!) in that there is somewhat of a public health system in the form of the LSU hospital system that has the rule that anyone under 200% of poverty gets covered for no charge, and then only 20% of income thereafter.  I've only had to get cancer checkups (i.e., blood, X-ray, CT scan), and regular visits, and I haven't had to pay a dime.  (After my COBRA coverage expired only a year after my cancer diagnosis, I even inquired as what would it cost me to get those cancer checkups, and was asked what my income was.)  This program is a legacy of Huey Long, and even with the Republicans, there has been no move to end it.  (Heck, there could be more Republican voters in the program than Democrats!)

    I think that the money comes from the Medicaid disproportionate program that Louisiana somehow has been scheming to be even better than it should be - and I think somehow, Landrieu's "Louisiana Purchase" was to continue this.  With all this said, I can't see even a VPOTUS-2012 or POTUS-2016 GOP candidate Jindal seriously turning this money down, unless somehow it's still coming in the former program, which I have a hunch that it's not.

    The bottom line is that the GOP pols are screaming now, but every last one of them will quietly be taking the money.

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