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This is a good diary, but needs further analysis.

The Corporate Powers have no intention of sharing power with working class/poor white people, not even those of the male gender.

The Corporate Powers are geniuses at persuading poor/working class white people to vote against their own economic interest. But I don't hold my fellow white poor and working class brethren blameless for this sad state affairs. They allow themselves to led around by that racist/sexist ring which the Corporate Powers have implanted in their collective nose.

Nor do I hold Progressives blameless as they go around (http://www.dailykos.com/...) casually & snidely tossing out terms like Redneck (as if Redneck means Republican), white trash (as if being poor and white equals being Republican), mocking Country music, hunting, stockcar racing (fun, by the way), etc etc & puke in bucket.

The New Deal did not spring full-born from off the top of the Ruling Class head. It was won on the picket line in the great strike waves of the early 30s. 1934, right there in Minneapolis, Teamsters were shot down in the street (WE NEVER FORGET).

The left-center alliance won us the New Deal, a broad coalition. Many working class and poor whites joined that coalition. They were persuaded to join by good old fashioned Union Organizing and the Poor People's Campaign. These organizers shouted SOLIDARITY from the rooftops, their efforts were courageous beyond measure; nothing could stop them, and many died or simply "disappeared."

We need more of that today. Stop bashing poor white people, and start organizing them. Stop this "freeloader" meme and get back to talking Union, Solidarity, Class Unity, & enlightened self-interest.

When Brother Bragg asks:

Who'll defend the workers who cannot organize
When the bosses send their lackies out to cheat us?
We should all answer: WE WILL!

Originally posted to Anti-Capitalist Chat on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 09:21 AM PDT.

Also republished by In Support of Labor and Unions.

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  •  Tip Jar (14+ / 0-)

    WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

    by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 09:21:31 AM PDT

  •  THIS! (9+ / 0-)
    Nor do I hold Progressives blameless as they go around (http://www.dailykos.com/....) casually & snidely tossing out terms like Redneck (as if Redneck means Republican), white trash (as if being poor and white equals being Republican), mocking Country music, hunting, stockcar racing (fun, by the way), etc etc & puke in bucket.
    I grew up in the country
    I LIKE country music
    I did hunt in my earlier days
    I WAS a huge NASCAR fan until it became corprotized and yuppie-ized
    We need more of that today. Stop bashing poor white people, and start organizing them. Stop this "freeloader" meme and get back to talking Union, Solidarity, Class Unity, & enlightened self-interest.
    Now if we could get behind THIS idea here, I beleive we could truly move America forward in a positive progressive direction!

    I wish I could Tip & Rec this diary more than once!

    Never underestimate stupid. Stupid is how reTHUGlicans win!

    by Mannie on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 09:33:25 AM PDT

  •  Good read (4+ / 0-)

    Not a white male myself but men in general can be called any name in the book here, you get used to it.

  •  I must say that BOTH diaries (6+ / 0-)

    are very good and they should serve as bookends in this ongoing discussion.

  •  Outta the park, JayRaye (4+ / 0-)

    The freeloader meme on ACA isn't just divisive; it's bullshit (something I might diary).

    "White trash" makes me cringe, as did the line in the diary you linked about audiences comprised of "trashy white people with few teeth."

    You hit this one outta the park, JayRaye. I'm with Mannie:

    I wish I could Tip & Rec this diary more than once!
    •  Actually, I consider myself to be (4+ / 0-)
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      a white trash Redneck, and also a Progressive. Being raised in the backwoods of Northern MN on a farm without the electric or indoor plumbing gives me my white trash credentials. And my attitude gives me my Redneck credentials.

      The terms don't bother me, but hearing them used as pejoritives bothers me alot. And using those terms to mock poor working class whites, will not help to win them over to our side.

      Redneck is not synonymous with Republican.

      I know many poor white Rednecks who vote Democratic,
      right here in Texas.

      In fact I spent one Thanksgiving with a family just like that. We deep fried a turkey, ate at the picnic table on paper plates, & then had fun shooting off a potato gun. Country music blasting. It was best Thanksgiving ever.

      HELL YA

      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

      by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 10:12:26 AM PDT

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    •  ...let them tremble (5+ / 0-)

            Re-rec'ed & Hotlisted, Companeros!

      ! The swinistic greed and racial hatred of the American ruling elite is abysmal ! - joe wobblie

      by joe wobblie on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 11:43:56 AM PDT

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  •  Wasn't this your comment in that diary? (6+ / 0-)

    I can't actually agree with the title of this one.

    While I can generally agree that the nexus of power that swirls about the elites in the US doesn't really care about anything nearly as much as it does money, I think that your diary heading is far too far overbroad, as 'White Male Power' does exist in a ginormous variety of ways as documented here and elsewhere over the years in diaries and journals and texts about white privilege.

    'White Male Power' or 'white privilege' or 'male privilege' does exist, and pervasively and institutionally so throughout the country.  The only way in which I agreed in the other diary that it was the wrong lens to look through was in focusing on the beliefs of the .01%, in whom the concentrated wealth and power of the country exists.  They don't care nearly as much about your skin tone or genitalia as your bank account.

    But down among the hoi polloi, 'white male power' does create true gradients of power and wealth.  From mortgage loans to family wealth, from employment levels to simply being invited to certain places, 'white male power' is here, and is no myth.

    •  I Suspect Whiteness is More Important to the (7+ / 0-)

      fundamentalist and racist parts of the alliance, and more to rank & file than to leadership. Mostly I think that's the same case with women.

      Much of the power structure has always been dominantly male and white so the effect of transferring society back to top ownership will naturally strengthen the upper end white males. But I think if it came to a choice between a brown billionaire vs a white millionaire, most of the time (where connections and allies aren't a deciding factor) the power structure is going to back the billionaire.

      I would suspect the militarists are more afraid of women than the big money types.

      The Democratic Party can't organize working class whites because it doesn't intend to do for them what it did in the 30's and into the 40's. Organizing them is a job for progressives, which for practical policy has to start local where we can get progressives into entry level positions and offer small but tangible benefits.

      --Starting Nov. 7th; till then we have to cram as many nonRepublicans into office as we can manage.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 10:41:49 AM PDT

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    •  You think white working class men are privilaged? (4+ / 0-)
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      You are speaking in  huge generalities and you are leaving out the all-important division: Class.

      In the late 1970s, I was one of the first women ever to be a member the International Union Of Operating Engineers. Believe you me, I am well aware (as in 7 long years worth of seeing it first hand!), that sexism and patriarchy exist. I am a feminist.

      But I am also a Socialist, therefore, I never use the word "privilaged" except to describe the Ruling Class.

      The Boss gets the Cream and we get the dangers.

      For example, one day, a burnt smell was coming from the skip. Boss couldn't be bothered to shut down the job to check things out. Later that day, controls failed and five union brothers plunged to their deaths. The Operator was a member of our Local. (RIP, Brother)

      The Boss still made a profit on that job.

      Now, that's what I call privilege!

      Words have meaning, they aren't just sounds we throw around to make us sound more radical.

      Refering to our white male working class Brothers as privileged, will not help us with the goal of achieving working class unity.

      We should definitely confront racism and sexism where ever it rears its ugly head. We should also reach out in Solidarity to all of our fellow workers: educate, organize, emancipate.

      Mindlessly referring to white working class men as privileged, does not promote Solidarity.

      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

      by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 11:48:47 AM PDT

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      •  Just because the rich white men have more (1+ / 0-)
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        doesn't mean white men have none.

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 01:50:04 PM PDT

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        •  who on earth ever said that white men have NONE (1+ / 0-)
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          Stop putting words in my mouth.

          Except of course for my fellow workers who died on the job while the Boss still raked in the profits. They got none.

          Oh wait, your right, they got a nice cozy grave.

          I stand corrected!

          WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

          by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:02:56 PM PDT

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          •  You said that white male power is a myth (1+ / 0-)
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            How can they have any if it's a myth?  They have power and they don't?  That's impossible.

            Except of course for my fellow workers who died on the job while the Boss still raked in the profits. They got none.

            Oh wait, your right, they got a nice cozy grave.

            And what of all the people who don't even get that?  Huh?  The people who don't have a job?  

            Again and again I've said that white men don't have all the power and yet you want me to be saying that.  You want to ignore the fact that white men do in fact have power.

            There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:06:45 PM PDT

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            •  White working class men have (1+ / 0-)
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              no real power in this society, they only think they do, that's why its a myth.

              and better to be dead than unemployed?

              Now you are really getting crazy.

              Again, write the families, ask them if they would prefer their husband or father alive and unemployed, or dead and buried.

              Sheesh, what an asshole.

              FUCK OFF.

              WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

              by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:25:52 PM PDT

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              •  White working class men have power over (1+ / 0-)
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                women and people of color on a regular basis.  The fact that you don't see this is frustrating.  

                and better to be dead than unemployed?
                No, but there's plenty of people who don't even get a burial because they don't have the money for it.  And that's more likely with someone who isn't a white male.

                Saying that white and male privilege isn't a problem is not the right way to go about organizing the working class and the poor.

                There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                by AoT on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:34:03 PM PDT

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  •  The plutocracy harnesses and uses (6+ / 0-)

    every form of bigotry imaginable for its own ends, many to create divisiveness, but its really not commited to those issues in particular.  Their chief goal is power and money at the expense (literally) of everyone else.  They are waging their battle against the 99.9 per cent of us.  It's a game that they play masterfully.

    Ironically, they and their enablers, are the smallest minority in the nation, yet they are still mostly ruling behind the scenes as if they were a majority.

    Their greatest and really only threat is that liberal/progressive/intelligently moderate forces will organize and be able to awaken the nation to their de facto coup.

    Unions and government social programs are their chief targets.  As resources dwindle by nature or restriction,
    it becomes easier to set minorities or single issue voters
    against each other, and also intensifies the fighting among groups for decreasing monies to adequately fund the numerous activist and charitable groups.

    So this is just a longer approach to saying that I agree with your larger point about unions and the importance for all citizens to place solidarity for all issues of fairness, justice and good will above single issues and identity politics, though the importance of each is unquestionable.

    99%er. 100% opposed to fundamentalist/neoconservative/neoliberal oligarchs.

    by blueoasis on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 10:35:27 AM PDT

  •  "Center left" is right. The poor center left. I (4+ / 0-)

    avoided placing all poor, middle and rich whites people in the same category as white knuckle heads on the far right. If not for poor center and left whites, no civil rights, or any progressive goals would have been possible. Liberals and center to left have, no matter what their financial status, always been a shaft in the a$$ of far rightwingers throughout this county's history. I'll say it's an insult to group those who did the right thing, with those on the far right, as if financial status determine a person's ideology, or what's in their hearts. I never use racial slurs, but I do identify the whites i talk about as rightwingers, teabaggers, confederates, kluxers, etc. Because that's the truth about far rightwingers, no matter what color. Great dairy, i wanted to talk about this subject and how insulting it is to group people in the same category, even in redstates. Even when a liberal candidate lose in a redstate, some poor white people voted for them.

    •  Thank You for this: (2+ / 0-)
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      I'll say it's an insult to group those who did the right thing, with those on the far right, as if financial status determine a person's ideology, or what's in their hearts.
      Yes, when I'm talking about the far right, I use specific terms such as "Teabager," which refers to their stupid politics and not to their income level.

      Where my friends are Teabaggers, I hate the politics, not the person. And I keep working on them, talking about working class Solidarity, etc.

      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

      by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 12:02:57 PM PDT

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  •  Privilege (2+ / 0-)
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    While the decisive power over the economy is head by the very rich (most white men) males are privileged in the society as are whites relative to Peoples of Color.  

    •  The Boss gets the cream (2+ / 0-)
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      and we line up for what's left.

      True the working class white men are the first in line for the little bit of skimmed milk that the Boss leaves us.

      But as a Socialist, I don't call it "privilege" to be at the head of the line when the crap is handed out. I call that institutionalized racism and sexism.

      The word "privilege" I save strictly for the Ruling Class.

      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

      by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 12:08:35 PM PDT

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  •  Thank you for the video, (1+ / 0-)
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    JayRaye.

    Just Win, Baby. -- Al Rodgers, Feb. 24, 2012

    by OLinda on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 12:18:06 PM PDT

  •  The owning class is the real enemy (1+ / 0-)
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    and if we want to beat them then we need to recognize our role in the oppression of a great many people.  And that means white men need to recognize that we do have privilege and power and we need to work to change that.  If we just yell about how the people with money are the real oppressors then we're going to be ignored by the people who know that isn't true.

    There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

    by AoT on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 01:23:38 PM PDT

    •  Sounds like you didn't bother to read my diary. (0+ / 0-)

      No where did I say that all we should do is "just yell about how the people with money are the real oppressors."

      Since you didn't bother to read my diary before commenting, I will ignore the rest of your comment.

      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

      by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 01:32:16 PM PDT

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      •  I read it, you didn't actually address (1+ / 0-)
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        what you claimed to in your title.  In fact, part of what we have to do is stop shitting on the poor, including poor whites.  Your claim that white male power is a myth is simply wrong.  White men have more power than they would were they not white.  Is it just a coincidence that the vast majority of those in power are white and male?  Is it a coincidence that men across the economic spectrum make more than women?

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 01:42:17 PM PDT

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        •  See below, explain that to the families of (1+ / 0-)
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          5 the union brothers who died on the job described above) while the Boss profited.

          Yeah, they are were so very privileged. Right.

          What you are describing is institutionalized racism and sexism, not privilege.

          Get out your big hammer, write "privilege" on it and bash working class white men on the head with it several times.

          That should win over to our side right quick!!

          WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

          by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 01:49:55 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah, people don't like to hear that they (1+ / 0-)
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            have it better than someone else.  I won't deny that.  But the incontrovertible fact is that white men have it better than a person of color or a woman in the same economic situation.  If you just want to mobilize white men and want to ignore the rest of the country then go right on ahead ignoring that fact.

            There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 01:59:08 PM PDT

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            •  stop putting words in my mouth (0+ / 0-)

              now you're acting like a total asshole.

               I neve said anything about ignoring the rest of the country, and you damn well know it.

              Sheesh, what an asshole you are becoming in this diary.

              FUCK OFF.

              WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

              by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:06:03 PM PDT

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              •  You've managed to completely discount racism (1+ / 0-)
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                under the guise of worrying about the working class.  The problems you describe are the problems of the working class, not just working class whites.  And the fact of the matter is that working class whites have it better than working class people of color.

                There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                by AoT on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:20:10 PM PDT

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                •  FUCK OFF & GET OUT OF THIS DIARY (0+ / 0-)

                  Stop lieing about what I said:

                  .

                  But I don't hold my fellow white poor and working class brethren blameless for this sad state affairs. They allow themselves to led around by that racist/sexist ring which the Corporate Powers have implanted in their collective nose

                  WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

                  by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:29:25 PM PDT

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      •  ps. Why don't you write a letter to the children (1+ / 0-)
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        of my fellow IUOE Brother (RIP) killed on the job. Explain to them how "privileged" their father was.

        Yea that'll work.

        WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

        by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 01:42:39 PM PDT

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        •  As long as you write a letter to all the (1+ / 0-)
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          children of black men killed and imprisoned by our racist police state about how racism isn't the main problem.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:27:33 PM PDT

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          •  I send all the money that I can spare to the (2+ / 0-)
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            Southern Poverty Law Center.

            In fact, this is now the only group that is getting money from me. Had to choose only one group to donate to due to recent retirement, and that is the one I will never give up, even if I only send them $10 a month.

            I see sexism, racism, and all other types of oppression as equal problems. I blame the Ruling Class first, and white people of my own class second.

            Working class white people have no real power, they only think they do. That's why it's a myth. They keep that myth alive by hating their own fellow workers.

            It's up to us to preach Class Unity to them. Calling them names & calling them "privileged" will not help us reach them.

            The tide is turning, the younger generation is changing. But we still have a lot of work to do.

            WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

            by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:46:58 PM PDT

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            •  I'm glad you're doing those things (2+ / 0-)
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              I'm doing what I can too.

              Keep up the good fight.

              I still disagree about power and white men, but I don't think that's a useful conversation at this point.

              There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

              by AoT on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:51:29 PM PDT

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              •  OK, and perhaps I'll apologize for my (2+ / 0-)
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                bad language. Like I said, I'm a Redneck.

                But not today, I'm still pissed. Don't like anyone putting words in my mouth.

                Probably tomorrow after I cool off.

                WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

                by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 03:08:10 PM PDT

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                •  The last thing you have to apologize for (2+ / 0-)
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                  is your bad language.  Fuck that shit.  It makes me happy to see someone who swears as readily as I do here on DKos.

                  There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                  by AoT on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 11:38:39 PM PDT

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                  •  Well, I didn't mean my cussing, exactly. (1+ / 0-)
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                    But telling you to get lost was wrong, and for that I apologize.

                    As for calling you an asshole, well, when you insinuate that I don't care about racism ( & after all that I have been thru with my family because of my stand against racism!), well, maybe you are not an actual full time asshole, but with that comment you certainly were acting like one. So no apology there.

                    Hoping we can have more rowdy debates in the future.

                    Solidarity.

                    WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

                    by JayRaye on Sat Jul 07, 2012 at 07:54:59 AM PDT

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              •  Keep fighting, AoT! (2+ / 0-)
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                   You draw strength from the struggle and are invigorated
                                             by the sight of the enemy, be their numbers legion...

                ! The swinistic greed and racial hatred of the American ruling elite is abysmal ! - joe wobblie

                by joe wobblie on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 04:16:57 PM PDT

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            •  You might want to rethink that donation (2+ / 0-)
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              to Southern Poverty Law Center. Not that they don't occasionally do some good work, but according to a number of reports they are better at raising money than using it--the charge is that they sit on a large cash hoard that doesn't get used (google them and check it for yourself).

              Myself, I donate to Labor Notes, which does great work educating and connecting rank-and-file workers across the country.

              •  Thanks for the tip. (2+ / 0-)
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                I'll check it out. But they have won some really important law suits against haters. I think that is important. Maybe the most important thing that they do.

                I've been getting Labor Notes for as long as Labor Notes has been around. Usually double the subscription rate,if I can afford it. But I consider that a necessity, not a donation.

                thx for the rec & the comment, verso.

                WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

                by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 04:12:51 PM PDT

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  •  Yep. You said it better than I could have. Thanks (2+ / 0-)
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    The real power in America is held by a fast-emerging new Oligarchy of pimps and preachers who see no need for Democracy or fairness or even trees, except maybe the ones in their own yards, and they don't mind admitting it. ~ Hunter S. Thompson

    by Saint Jimmy on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 01:26:22 PM PDT

  •  you underestimate (3+ / 0-)
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    the white male power ethos of the southern rural male.

    Or as I asked an aquaintance just yesterday who was wearing a work shirt with the name of a construction company that sounded familiar, did they ever have a female foreman at the construction company where he works because I thought maybe a mutual acqauintance (female who worked as a foreman at a local construction company) had worked with him.

    His answer "NO, SHIT , NO, though some "n word" woman worked there once. . ."  A woman in a position of authority, inconceivable.  But ranking highly on his list of worst work experiences was that low of lows, a woman of color once actually just worked at the firm.  

    These folks have all noticed the president is black, we won't be recruiting any of them soon.  I am not advocating name calling, but I am also opposed to the naivete expressed here at times to just how deeply misogyny and racism are tied into the conservative base.   I have never seen anything that overcomes the level of hate and contempt for women and people of color this group holds.  

    •  Never said that sexism and racism do not exist. (1+ / 0-)
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      Do you honestly think that a woman, like me, who was one of the first ever members of our Local IUOE doesn't know about the racism and sexism of white working class men?

      That racism and sexism will not be overcome by bashing white working class men, but only by constantly preaching Class Unity and Solidarity. Calling them "privileged" only alienates them more from their own class.

      Privileged is the Boss who gets the cream while we fight over the skimmed milk.

      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

      by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 01:59:59 PM PDT

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      •  Did I say I called him names, (3+ / 0-)
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        or ranted at him about male white privilege?  Did I call him a name in this diary?

        But to assume that you are going to reach this kind of person wth talk of class unity and solidarity, that is the kind of thinking that I see as a problem.   Down here, they are taught to hate unions as much as women and people of color.  As long as right to work rules means they can hurt women and people of color, use subtle ways to enforce white male dominance in the work place (and another reason they hate government, it is one of the few places women and people of color get jobs in rural areas) there will be no unions, no solidarity, and not much reasoning.

        I don't see this person often, I rarely interact with him,  I sure don't argue politics with him.  But there are lots of 'him' out there.   And I refuse to sugar coat how unreachable they are and how deep the hate goes.

        •  I now live in Texas. (1+ / 0-)
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          And I do lecture white men about Class Unity. When you work with people over the years, they do begin to listen.

          Not something that happens over night.

          I am very well aware of how deep the hate goes. Doesn't mean we should give up trying to reach them.

          And not that much better in MN when I was an IUOE member, '77-'84, I was surrounded every single working day for 7 long years, only woman on the job, except for one week of that 7 years. I certainly know the difficulties in confronting racism and sexism, but chip, chip, chip away and progress comes.

          The younger generation is much better.

          WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

          by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:18:13 PM PDT

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          •  I don't work with this guy (2+ / 0-)
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            so he is't someone I am around much to work on.  I don't think that you have to give up overall, just don't bother with some folks. And don't try to fool anyone that but for the name calling and cultural elitism of the progressives, these folks would be into solidarity.

            Plenty of folks are open to the message, but the loyal 27%, the died in the wool red staters of the south,  their kids are flying battle flags off their trucks and jeeps and shaving their heads.

            And they aren't just in the south,   I have a cousin who worked 30 years in a northern car plant, he's as racist and full of hate as anyone. Or my brother who has education and advantages, lives up north and is as backwards as they come.  

            •  Here, I have to agree with you. (1+ / 0-)
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              Some are unreachable, have some of those haters in my family also. Would not allow them around my children.

              That's how bad they are.

              If you'll read my diary, you'll see that I don't let the white working class off the hook for their racism and their sexism. They are responsible for their part. They choose to swallow the BS that the Ruling Class is dishing out.

              The progressives are responsible for their part, ie snotty attitudes towards poor white people.

              And a deeply pro-union person, like me, is responsible for her part: preaching Class-Unity & SOLIDARITY until the day that I die.

              WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

              by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 02:57:57 PM PDT

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              •  Back to the key theme of the diary (1+ / 0-)
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                There's a lot of idle anti-working-class snottiness that crops up in what I expect to be discussions among "progressives." I was astounded by it recently in a (non-DKos) thread about the Wisconsin recall election: what came up was a whole lot of bile about unions, the working class, etc.

                Like a lot of others on this thread, I have my backward cousins who spout racist claptrap and identify themselves as the essence of America while denying respect to their working-class brothers and sisters. Like JayRaye, I try to choose my moments and combat it when I can--though not expecting any great changes anytime soon. (A good thing to remember: Everyone can change, but some people die first.)

                I'll also have to say, that although I grew up poor in the rural Midwest (it would have been on the wrong side of the tracks if the tracks hadn't been torn out), as a white male I had advantages that I would not have had as, say, an African American or Native American or Latino.

                I'll recommend a great recently published book here: Hillbilly Nationalists, Urban Race Rebels, and Black Power, by Amy Sonnie and James Tracy. Have Black Panthers and poor whites with confederate battle flags on their jackets ever worked together? Yes, they have; and this book tells that story.

                •  now there's a book I gotta get, thx. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Also in the '30s, poor folks of all races worked together in the Southern Tenants Farm Union. (I think that is the name of the book.) It is a GREAT book.

                  WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

                  by JayRaye on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 04:16:51 PM PDT

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