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As promised yesterday, here I go.

When I got here seven years ago, this site had one purpose - to elect more and better Democrats.  I can't even come up with a description of what it is now.

I'm not much of a diarist and am an amateur purveyor of snark so I doubt that I'll be missed.

Before I go, though, I'm going to have my say in hopes that this "community" can heal itself.

More below the cheese doodle

I will not miss the constant appeals to send money to folks who run into hard times, constant posting of notes from someone's class about the new term they learned in school this week, groups whose main purpose is to complain about the site operations, serial GBCW'ers who remain, daily chit-chat diaries discussing the weather or some other bullshit, repetitive personal diarys detailing minute everyday life experiences, etc.

I know I don't have to read them and can skip over them, but, when these diaries are posted continuously and promoted to the wreck list automatically because of the authors name that makes it much harder to do.

The drama and trauma that has consumed Daily Kos over the weekend is a perfect example of the crap I see around here that is counter productive to getting more and better Democrats elected.

I'm very happy for the folks who feel they have found a "community" here, but, don't believe this is the goal of the site. I don't see how making friends and chit chatting about the weather equates to electing more and better Democrats.

I sincerely hope this doesn't sound like a plea for "Please stay" and "don't go" comments. I don't need to have smoke blown up my ass, I need this blog to teach and inspire me the elect more and better Democrats.  It is not achieving that goal as it stands now.

Peace out.



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  •  See you in August. (10+ / 0-)

    "The first duty of a revolutionist is to get away with it.". Abbie Hoffman

    by Joes Steven on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 06:59:08 AM PDT

  •  Peace out. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    TomP, looking and listening

    Liberals: Taking crap for being right since before you were born. - Driftglass (and the amazing Professional Left Podcast at

    by briefer on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:02:14 AM PDT

  •  There's nothing I like better than to (20+ / 0-)

    see a meta diary complaining about other people's meta diaries.

    Santorum: Man on Dog; Romney: Dog on Car. Mrs. Romney: Fraud on Horse.

    by commonmass on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:04:32 AM PDT

  •  Good luck. (20+ / 0-)

    I have been here even longer than you have. I too am interested in electing more and better Democrats. I do think, however, that part of building a progressive movement is building a progressive community. I too could have done without all this weekend's drama. When I need to take a break, I just disappear for a while.

  •  Sometimes a break is good. (9+ / 0-)

    I still find Daily Kos useful.  In the end, the back pages of Daily Kos are what we make them to be.  The Rec List reflects those who are reading and recommended at any given time.  Sometimes I agree with the Rec List diaries, sometimes not, but I would not have it any other way.

    There are many "rooms" in Dkos and we don't always have to inhabit each one.  

    I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

    by TomP on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:05:46 AM PDT

  •  Someone sounds bitter about young diarists (1+ / 0-)
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    who use DKos for chit chat and get on the rec list "too often".


    √-1 2³ Σ π and it was delicious.

    by second gen on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:07:16 AM PDT

    •  Not useful. (8+ / 0-)

      When you spread suspicion, you do the work of the person or persons harassing others.

      Young people, old people, all can write great and inane diaries, for all are people.   There is no war between old and young here.

      I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

      by TomP on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:14:50 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Normally I'd agree, but the diarist said as (3+ / 0-)
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        TomP, Neuroptimalian, Unit Zero

        much in the diary itself.

        √-1 2³ Σ π and it was delicious.

        by second gen on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:46:24 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I understand. I worry that (0+ / 0-)

          people might make inferential leaps and compare to the anti-youth harrasing emails that were published.  We really don't know what the motive of the harrassing person is and what we should not do is turn on each other.  That's the point I was making.

          It's easy for old people to trash young folks, and vice versa, but it goes nowhere.   We are all in it together.  Most folks have parents and/or children.

          I disagree with the author's anti-young folks diatribe.      

          I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

          by TomP on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:50:46 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Soooooo helpful: using the offsite perp's (0+ / 0-)

      language to...dis a kossack?  Stay classy sec gen.

      To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt 1918

      by JVolvo on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 05:38:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Just like clock work- 2009 diary comes to mind (0+ / 0-)

    I feel your pain...

    "Time is for careful people, not passionate ones."

    "Life without emotions is like an engine without fuel."

    by roseeriter on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:08:33 AM PDT

  •  We Always Get Complaints About the "Community" (5+ / 0-)
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    TomP, ericlewis0, kayebee, ZedMont, SoCaliana

    going to the dogs during periods of low traffic.

    4th of July was mid week this year; posting and commenting looks to me to have been way down for a while. Maybe much of the community is off doing other things for now.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:10:50 AM PDT

  •  This site may have been founded... (16+ / 0-)

    to elect more and better Democrats, but did you really expect, after all these years, that this site would discuss nothing but politics?

    That's unrealistic.

    You get to know people here after a while -- their personalities, quirks, interests -- and, in my opinion, this adds to the site. It doesn't detract.

    So, sure, I view this site as primarily a place to discuss and debate politics. But if someone posts a diary about a great book or a cool vacation spot or, even, funny cat pictures, I'm up for that, too.

    Oh, and, by the way, the heat wave has finally broken where I am, in case you were interested.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:13:27 AM PDT

    •  I agree with you! (6+ / 0-)

      And I like hearing about the weather in your area!

    •  Personally I appreciate the breaks from politics. (6+ / 0-)

      All work and no play makes DKos a dull boy.

      I try not to judge people much by their personal diaries, mainly because they have the courage to say stuff about themselves that I don't because of an innate fear of appearing even stupider than I actually am (yes, that most certainly can happen, I'll have you know!), and besides, if it's therapeutic to them, then it's all to the good.

      Same goes for Joes.  If it's good for his psyche to skedaddle, then okay.  See ya at the polls, buddy.

      Because stupid people are so sure they're smart, they often act smart, and sometimes even smart people are too stupid to recognize that the stupid people acting smart really ARE stupid.

      by ZedMont on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:41:21 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  don't entirely agree (7+ / 0-)

    but agree enough to rec it.

    I'm always resistant to remember-the-golden-days of Daily Kos pieces, and I see nothing intrinsically wrong with puff and/or personal posts, but I do think there's been a perceptible shift away from issues and politics in favor of Facebook-reality TV style posts.

    •  Yup- glued to my screen for the next important (1+ / 0-)
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      I'd rather the meta was posted ONLY in the Community section.

      "Time is for careful people, not passionate ones."

      "Life without emotions is like an engine without fuel."

      by roseeriter on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:33:50 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  But that's not what Community Spotlight is for... (3+ / 0-)

        While I often disagree with what hits the rec. list, if a diary is gets the right formula of recs, it makes the rec. list. If I'm not interested in a diary that makes the rec. list, I don't read it.... and if I go into a diary on the rec. list because I've read other piece by the author and liked them, or the title didn't clue me in, I just close the tab on the diary instead of complaining ~~ just like I change the channel/turn off the tv if the show after the one I was watching doesn't interest me. It's a fairly simple process to learn ;-)

        The Community Spotlight section above the rec. list on the front page serves a different purpose. It's not just what would be called 'community' diaries, but rather diaries that the Rescue Rangers think should get wider exposure ~~ be in the spotlight ;-) So there are community and personal diaries there, but some of the best political diaries I've read here over the years I've seen because they were rescued into the Community Spotlight, having not initially made the rec. list. So the focus is on content and its quality rather than just popularity.....

        Not every diary on DKos will please everyone. But it's a big tent, so just about everyone can find diaries they do like.....and I think that much of the supposed change here is natural progression of the site:

        1) no Democratic presidential primary, so there isn't that as a unifying theme/topic (even if people disagree on which candidate to support.....) ; focus is more spread out on dozens/hundreds of races around the country instead.

        2) people do relationships (and the longer the site is around, the more people will develop those relationships, because of the greater shared history). In fact, that's part of the Democratic agenda in a way ~~ for the most part, we're for people and their relationships, rather than corporate and other power. With big bucks from the Kochs, relationships are part of what we have to sell to undecided voters. I know that my active participation in the political process has increased as my friendships with other Kossacks have grown. Partly out of greater knowledge through what people I have met through here have posted, but also just because I'm more motivated. A decrease in the community aspect of DKos would likely see a decrease in my participation in the political process, as the community here is part of what keeps me engaged.

        The worst sin - perhaps the only sin - passion can commit, is to be joyless. (Gaudy Night, Dorothy L. Sayers)

        by mayim on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:02:50 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  I wonder if it is a reflection (1+ / 0-)
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      david mizner

      of the impasse politically?   We won in 2008, but ....   The combination of the Great Recession and corproate Dems sucked a lot out of people's hopes.

      I remember the late 70s.  Intellectuals started talking about a "culture of narcissism."  All the energy from the movement was dissappating.  

      Or it could just be a generation growing up with social media.  :-)

      Did you see Andrew Cockburn on the "death of Occupy"?  Pretty harsh.  

      I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

      by TomP on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:56:14 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  IMO the "help this person" diaries are the (15+ / 0-)

    very best part of the site, and one of the few reasons I consider it a "community."

    it's weird to me that someone would think that a negative.

    This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

    by mallyroyal on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:20:48 AM PDT

    •  They're not my favorite part, but there is (0+ / 0-)

      certainly no shortage of alternatives.

      I don't like to watch Dr. Phil browbeat clueless guests, but my wife does, and I love my wife, so I (usually) keep my mouth shut.  Same as I feel about stuff I don't like here.

      I actually used to like Dr. Phil, but he's gotten a little too Jerry Springery for my taste.  And to tell you the truth, there's probably a little envy that he got just about all the self-confidence that was handed out.  He even snatched the little bit that was designated for me.

      Because stupid people are so sure they're smart, they often act smart, and sometimes even smart people are too stupid to recognize that the stupid people acting smart really ARE stupid.

      by ZedMont on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:49:38 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yeah, I too found that odd unless the diarist (2+ / 0-)
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      mallyroyal, Statusquomustgo

      is a conservaDem, in which case it makes sense, but then I have to wonder what the diarist thinks a "better Dem" is.

      Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

      by JTinDC on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:01:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'm hoping that as we get closer to Nov. (6+ / 0-)
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    jacey, kayebee, jayden, revbludge, lina, TomP

    the diaries will focus more on the elections. I do understand that people are not one-dimensional, they bring with them all of what makes them people. So I can live with our humanity while we work to elect more and better Democrats.

    "He is no fool who forsakes things that he cannot keep, so that he might gain things that he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot

    by looking and listening on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:23:47 AM PDT

  •  So long Joes we hardly knew ya (2+ / 0-)
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    revbludge, Statusquomustgo

    Because stupid people are so sure they're smart, they often act smart, and sometimes even smart people are too stupid to recognize that the stupid people acting smart really ARE stupid.

    by ZedMont on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:32:06 AM PDT

  •  Your choice was really pretty simple. (7+ / 0-)

    To read only read diaries and articles that were clearly about candidates and elections. If a title had "Pootie" or "-Palooza" or "GBCW" or  "Help me please!" in it, ignore.

    Yes, the site has changed a lot since 2002 or 2005 or whenever you joined. Change over time is a property of all human institutions, and since DK is not a conservative institution, dedicated to resisting all change, many changes were in the tea leaves-and maybe not all are 100% great.

    The site still carries out its main function: furthering the election of more and better Democrats.

    But over time DK has become more and more of a social networking site. On Kos, I reap the main benefit (political news and calls to action) and enjoy the sidelines (hobnobbing with friends, sharing humor, or lame jokes, some might say) while ignoring stuff that annoys or bores me (the whimper of the day, meta diaries about other meta diaries, etc).

    Rather like Facebook, which I go to for the main purpose (checking to see if friends/relatives have croaked overnight or posted new baby pictures), while ignoring stuff that annoys or bores me (game requests, the usual posts by teenaged relatives: "U have stabed me in the back 4 the last time. Fucker. U know who u are.")

    Stuff that is not worth reading is also probably not worth diarying to complain about.

    PS: Woozlepalooza!

  •  To each his own (6+ / 0-)
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    lina, TomP, mayim, revbludge, SoCaliana, hardhatmama

    As someone else said, any website that has been around for more than a brief period will develop regulars who get to know each other.  Many a newsgroup of old, many comment lists, etc have groups of regulars who have gotten to know each other to varying degrees.  I have several friends I've never personally met that I've known for over a decade due to such online interactions, yet I know their kids's names, where they went for vacation last summer, etc.

    That's usually not a bad thing, IMO, and is a natural progression.  Those regulars constitute and institutional memory for the site, and can offer advice and comment to new members.

    In the worst cases, those regulars become insular and territorial and drive out the new ones, because they're not part of the clique the regulars have formed and so receive little tolerance or are even actively shunned or berated.

    I'm always puzzled by complaints like this one. No one forces you to read the posts by people you don't like.  No one forces you to comment on their diaries.  Since none of those "please help" or weather diaries ever end up on the front page, and only end up amongst the new diaries and occasionally are one among many diaries on the rec list, it's easy to avoid them.  There is plenty of political stuff on this site, and it's typically not that hard to avoid the non-political stuff if you don't care for it.  If you're really that irritated just by seeing a few non-political diary titles on the rec list, I guess DK isn't for you, but then again if your skin is that thin, politics probably isn't for you, either.

    And it's summertime, a lot of websites are a low ebb right now because people are busy with other things.  I expect things will heat up politically on this site substantially in August once the Republican convention is underway, and after that, summer will be over and it'll be the home stretch to the election.

    •  Bread and roses (3+ / 0-)
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      mayim, revbludge, Witgren

      We need some pure unadulterated fun with the politics.  Politics and elections impact every facet of our lives from healthcare to war to employment to education.  Some of the diaries face these topics headon and it can start to be depressing and oppressing.  So to lighten things up we have some who love animals, babies, the mountains, religion, and pie.  We need it all so that we can work on the importnat stuff without burning out.  But like the comment above, to each his own.

  •  Enjoy your time away. (6+ / 0-)

    Summer is short enough as it is. No sense in wasting it being frustrated or bored in front of a computer screen. Especially considering DKos will still be here when you're done having fun in the sun.

    Not this mind and not this heart, I won't rot • Mumford & Sons

    by jayden on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:43:38 AM PDT

  •  One day I met a pootie. Its name was Metapootie. (0+ / 0-)

    One day I met a pootie
    Its name was metapootie
    It met a diarist called goodbyecruelworld
    goodbyecruelworld was crying
    And wringinghands was sighing
    So metapootie gave its tail a twirl
    And wrote this little ditteh
    (and good for metakitteh)
    it wrote "the sky is blue and so am you
    because your blue pleez gimme
    some green for mister jimmeh
    and help elect more democrats trueblue
    So herein lies the lesson
    Cant always tell who's messin
    Around and who is really saying bye
    Excep for johnmclaughlin
    Who says "byebye" so often
    Its beautiful it makes you want to cry.
    Which brings me back to wringinghands
    stillworryin, and  tobeattheband
    and tho' these folks are some my better friends
    when they start in on meta
    and acting oh so fedup,
    I go outside, and so my ditteh ends."

  • 'bout this weather we're having? :) (8+ / 0-)

    If you say "gullible" real slow, it sounds like "green beans."

    by weatherdude on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 09:13:42 AM PDT

  •  this site's sole purpose was (3+ / 0-)
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    mayim, Unit Zero, Glinda

    what you say it was 7 years ago?

    'cause I too joined 7 years ago, and it was way not that in the least. but whatever. blah blah blah.

    Rape apologia among progressives (well, anybody) is so very disturbing.

    by terrypinder on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 09:33:13 AM PDT

  •  I blame BiPM (3+ / 0-)
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    weatherdude, aepm, Unit Zero

    The site was all serious and shit and then he said "Pull my finger."

    Downhill from then on.

    "The research shows that good deeds among men increase when presented with an opportunity to copulate." Wendy Ireldale
    Mobile apps for small and local business MoLoSo

    by Bionic on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 09:39:22 AM PDT

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