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Rachel Weiner:

Romney seemed to think that four years after Obama’s barrier-breaking win, the NAACP audience would be open to a more combative approach. He thought wrong.
Rachel gets it right. The congratulatory idiotic analysis written more than one pundit that Romney expected and wanted to be booed to shore up his standing with the tea party completely misses the critical point that conservatives can't win Presidential elections by themselves. Standing up at the NAACP and declaring he doesn't care about black people might win him some votes, but so what? It loses him a lot more. It's getting to the point where Obama winning and Romney losing is not only important for the future direction of the country, but to course correct the people who think that what the tea party thinks actually matters to most Americans.

NY Times:

The aggressive posture ultimately became one of Mr. Romney’s selling points, particularly among conservative voters who were searching for the candidate tenacious enough to take out President Obama in the general election.

But now, even with polls suggesting he is battling Mr. Obama to a draw at this stage of the race, Mr. Romney finds himself confronting concern that he is not nimble and aggressive enough to withstand the Democratic assault against him.

Of course, keep in mind nothing short of ripping Obama's heart out and eating it raw on national TV will satisfy them.

Mark Blumenthal:

Either way, horse race polling on the 2012 election is likely to keep puzzling many political observers. Statistical noise is inherent in polling, so if the Obama-Romney contest remains close, polls will routinely tip a few points to one candidate or the other. Looking at the HuffPost Pollster chart, which is designed to smooth out much of that random variation, can help.

Buckle up, polling junkies, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

The HuffPost Pollster chart is especially useful for comparing "all pollsters" to "removing Rasmussen and Zogby" (in my view, a better baseline).

Nate Silver:

There is, of course, no guarantee that things will remain as stable straight through to Election Day. But there have been some cycles – most notably 2004, which this race resembles in some ways – in which we were seeing pretty much the same numbers for weeks or even months on end.

I’d like to wait at least a few more days before concluding that the latest news, like the jobs report and the health care ruling, will have little net effect on the race. The news over the past few weeks has been at least a little bit more substantive than at some points earlier in the year.

But this may be one of those cycles, like in 2004, when the public is pretty locked in to their choices. If so, the threshold for what news counts as “important” in the context of the presidential race, like things that we might expect to move the numbers by at least a full percentage point in one direction or another, is going to be very high.

Marist poll:
For arguments sake, let’s put the unemployment numbers on hold.  Do people base their economic assessments more on their own financial circumstances? Are they having difficulty making ends meet? Are they worried about paying their mortgage? Or, is it a chat with friends or neighbors that shapes their views?
There are many factors that shape public opinion. Debate which follows news of each D.C. stat must go hand in hand with more personal indicators to paint a comprehensive picture of public opinion.  This will help us understand Americans’ pessimism about current economic circumstances yet growing optimism that the worst may be over.
If it were a simplistic "gas prices" or "jobs report" election, Obama would be trailing by 10 points. It's not that simple. You have to factor in just how poor a candidate Romney is, and how disliked the Republican brand AND the standard bearer are, coupled with hope for the future.

Baltimore Sun editorial:

Obamacare: GOP moves to repeal, and then what?
Our view: Symbolic vote to dump court-approved health care reform an exercise in futility that only underscores GOP's failure to produce a reasonable alternative
I will be on Daily Kos radio with David Waldman at ~9:10 ET to talk about these polls. Listen here.

The Blue Skies Netroots Radio Player

Oh, and here is yesterday's appearance.

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  •  Clear to Me. (10+ / 0-)

    Rachel Maddow got it right when she said Romney planned the booing.  The proof is in what he did afterwards - he immediately went to a "rich elite" fundraiser and drew attention to it.  

    As for pissing of the NAACP?  That doesn't cost Mitt Romney a SINGLE vote.  Not one.  But it does boost his standing with the base he needs to turn out on election days.  And Romney's base is soft on him.  Even Republicans, according to recent polling, thing Obama's a winner.  If you think the other guy is going to win - why waste your time voting.  

    This election comes down to who can get their base out.  Obama has been demonstrating that with he new stance on gay marriage, his tax cut proposal, and his "Dream Act Lite" proposal.  He's serving up red meat every three weeks or so.  Romney's got to do the same and this is what he perceives will work.  

    No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

    by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:00:30 AM PDT

    •  you misunderstand (10+ / 0-)

      sure, he planned it but no, it is not good politics. His base isn't going to love him more. And yes, he loses suburban and moderate votes. Obama's slight lead is partially based on college- educated whites and your assertion he doesn't lose  a single vote is just wrong.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:05:42 AM PDT

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      •  No, I don't think it is wrong. (6+ / 0-)

        "Just wrong"?  No I really don't think so.  

        Your assertion assumes that college-educated whites are somehow immune to the same race-baiting language as the uneducated poor.  That's simply not true.  College-educated whites have to have a reason to cling to Mitt Romney and I can assure you that they are just as likely to be attached to him for his whiteness as anything else.  The suburbs are filled with educated people who live in the burbs as a result of "white flight."  If such people are offended by GOP race-baiting they're probably already in the Obama column in the first place.  And there they will stay.  Romney didn't lose them because he never had them.    

        Further, the racial coding of this event isn't going to resonate with everyone who supports Romney.  A lot of his white supporters who frankly aren't racist are going to let this fly right over their heads - and you see this in the coverage.  They're seeing this as Romney "reaching out" to the black community...only to have his hand slapped away.  

        There's no way this helps Romney win new voters...that I'll grant you.  But this doesn't hurt him a bit.  There's no white college-educated Republican leaning voter who's going to clutch their pearls in offense at anything Mitt said yesterday.  Their response will either be "meh, I don't get it" or "hey!  Look at those ungrateful black people!"  

        What you've got to understand is that Romney has a serious problem with his base.  And he's got to do something to harden it up.  If he can throw the Rush listeners some red meat then he's got to do it.  And this goes right to the heart of their Obama hate...and their hatred of the black community at large.  

        Look, the proof is in the polling.  Let's wait a while and see how Romney is doing within his own party demographic.  But there's no way this leads to anyone leaning GOP to dump him.  

        No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

        by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:22:00 AM PDT

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        •  I do understand he has a base problem (1+ / 0-)
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          I also understand that this doesn't solve it. I also understand what the polls tell us about the demographic that is supporting Obama, and those are votes Romney loses with crap like this. In fact, Obama took postgrads in 2008 (exit polls) 58-40. Here's a good example of what I am saying:

          The other competitive New South state, Virginia, has seen significantly less demographic change, despite being the southern swing state where Obama has been polling the strongest. Minority eligible voters are only up a single percentage point in the state. However, white college graduate eligibles, among whom Obama ran relatively well in 2008, are also up a point, while white non-college eligibles, where Obama fared the poorest, are down 2 points.
          In fact, the reason said you were wrong is that you are painting all whites with a big racist brush.  Ain't so. This demo makes VA competitive.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:30:21 AM PDT

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          •  his "base problem" is long gone (2+ / 0-)
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            I'm with Nate Silver..  most voters are already decided.  Romney has to be going for the moderates and suburban vote like you say.. that's why I don't think he was stupid enough to purposely look for boos at the NAACP.  He really doesn't need to woo the base.

            •  well, he either erred or miscalcualted (3+ / 0-)
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              and I;'m saying the media should describe it thusly.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:50:14 AM PDT

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              •  Hold up. (2+ / 0-)
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                Let's wait and see some polling before we call it a miscalculation.  Right now, that's just a matter of opinion.  I, personally, think you're giving swing voters too much credit for paying attention to this speech.  Whereas I think this was staged for the talk radio crowd.  

                But this early in the game, the media has no reason to call this a "miscalculation" - because we honestly won't know that until we see some data.  Right now, we just have speculation.  

                No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

                by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:35:47 AM PDT

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                •  fair enough ;-) (2+ / 0-)
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                  Polling is great for that, though it doesn't stop the pundits from labeling Romney "crazy like a fox" which (remember) I was originally reacting to.

                  In fact, if I play it like said pundits, I'd write a column that says "no NAACP bounce for Romney" and make it out to be an important story.

                  "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                  by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:40:51 AM PDT

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              •  The key to this election isn't going to be (0+ / 0-)

                winning the last few undecideds, I think.  It will be turnout.
                That's why the gop has just about put all their chips on voter suppression.
                I'm hoping we can fully and overwhelmingly depress the right to the point that they stay home and that the undecideds who are likely to swing right just don't bother this time, and the undecideds who are more likely to swing to the Dems show up and hit the "party line" button.

                You can't make this stuff up.

                by David54 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:47:13 AM PDT

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                •  fat chance (1+ / 0-)
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                  Even though they have a lackluster candidate like Mitt, they will be out in droves.  I quoted an article yesterday that said 81% of white registered voters are likely to vote in November.  It's 8-10% lower for blacks and hispanics.  And youth vote looks like it will be much lower than in 2008.

                  The GOP hate President Obama enough that they could have a ham sandwich at the head of their ticket, and they would still all show up at the polls.  There will be no way to "depress the right" even a little bit, much less "overwhelmingly".

                  Democrats need to  concentrate on getting out their base constituencies just to break even.  After that, I think the President needs to do something to woo over Independents

          •  Also, McCain won with big numbers among (3+ / 0-)
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            ....lower-educated whites, pretty much the same as Obama did with higher. There are far fewer in numbers with advanced degrees, however.

            So if Romney is tailoring his message to fit his party's particular slice of the American pie then on that account he's doing a decent job. The problem is their slices keep getting smaller with each passing year.

          •  ??? (0+ / 0-)

            I don't understand your focus on OBAMA supporters here.  I'm talking about Romney losing voters he HAS...not people who are already in the Obama column.  If Obama is running well among non-racist educated whites, let's face it - there is NOTHING Romney can do to win those people over.  If they aren't convinced by him already this neither helps NOR hurts.  

            I'm talking about this as a tactic Romney is trying to deploy to shore up his base - not win over people who previously voted for Obama.  

            Am I painting all whites with a racist brush?  Not EVEN close.  But I AM pointing out that there are racists among white and it is very clear that the GOP has a lot of racists in their base.  Romeny - like, for example, Nixon before him - is throwing out red meat to try to motivate that support.  He doesn't have a lot of tools in his shed to do that with.  Certainly not his economic policies.  

            Virginia is a good example of where this works for Romney - Virginia is really two states - the liberal NOVA which is really wealthy educated overspill from DC and the Southern part of the state.  Obama wins Virginia is his leftist supporters in NOVA trump the turnout of the more conservative southern part of the state.  Romney wins if he can pull of the opposite.  This early in the election a one or two point margin among swing voters doesn't matter - they all have short memories anyway.  But Romeny can't go to the end of the summer with Rush trashing him on the radio five days a week.  

            No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

            by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:33:00 AM PDT

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        •  by the way (0+ / 0-)

          Obama won in 2008 with 54-44 white postgrads.

          http://takingnote.tcf.org/...

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:39:01 AM PDT

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          •  Postgrads are different, though. (4+ / 0-)

            I'm guessing Crazy Horse knows the same upper middle class, bachelor's level, suburb-dwelling, former frat boys that I do, who  think that minorities are getting a free ride and love when they get their ox gored (whatever that means).

            They're already safely Repub, though, and more likely to support a rich guy like Mitt than the working class Repub base anyway, so I don't see how this helps Mitt much there.

            (Agree with your overall point, though.)

            "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

            by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:49:07 AM PDT

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            •  thank you for that point (1+ / 0-)
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              I am taking exception to  

              That doesn't cost Mitt Romney a SINGLE vote.
              and point out that that's wrong.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:52:50 AM PDT

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              •  Agree. (0+ / 0-)

                He's still just trying to consolidate his base rather than expanding it.

                "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

                by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:57:32 AM PDT

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              •  But... (0+ / 0-)

                ...you're saying it's wrong doesn't make it right.  Besides, you keep talking about voters who swung for OBAMA last time.  Tell me what voters CURRENTLY ALIGNED WITH ROMNEY are going to swing to Obama because of this.  

                The answer is: none.  If you're with Romney now, there's very little to drag you over to Obama.  You're talking about undecideds and undecideds are undecided - not Romney voters.  Let's don't do the semantics tango.  This ham-fisted political tactic doesn't warrant it.  

                No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

                by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:39:18 AM PDT

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        •  I'm a college-educated white… (0+ / 0-)

          …a dumbassery like this makes me like Romney even less.

          Well, can you go lower than zero?

          Teh stoopidTM, it hurts. Buy smart, union-printed, USA-made, signs, stickers, swag for everyone: DemSign.com. Get your We are the 99% Yard Sign.

          by DemSign on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:50:58 AM PDT

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          •  Ah, I work with plenty college-educated whites... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...who eat this stuff up with a spoon (most of them are in sales).

            As I said above, though, they're already safely Repub and, unlike the blue collar Repubs, they never had any reservations about Mitt because of the Wall Street/outsourcing stuff -- they actually think that's a good qualification -- so I don't see how this helps Mitt expand his base at all.

            "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

            by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:55:23 AM PDT

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        •  I don't see how this costs R-Money any votes (1+ / 0-)
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          If he had provoked this booing at some other function where people were pro-"Obamacare", it would not have the impact they're seeking, but having this happen at the NAACP just makes it seem that the ACA is racial, special-onterest politics -- andI don't see that hurting the GOP in any way. It might even get some people who are in favor of the policy wondering about their own support -- even people who aren't racist in any significant way. None of us are immune to this kind of stuff.

          If the backlash is loud enough -- if enough people become convinced that the booing was deliberately provoked, you might find some people on the left really activated. It's possible it might persuade a few hundred folks who were gonna sit it out to vote for Obama, but I doubt even that's true. On the other hand, it might help move some hard-core conservatives to forget their ideas to skip the vote.

          As for actually changing votes from red to blue, I don't see that happening.

          Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

          by FischFry on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:53:31 AM PDT

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        •  I think you're overstating the level of racism (1+ / 0-)
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          among whites.
          I don't think that will help Romney, but I do think you're right that he thought it would help convince Rush listeners that he's serious about "repealing Obamacare".

          The right is dominated by religious conservatives. They're not necessarily racist, however, in their desperation, they have not refrained from using race to attempt to de-legitimize Obama.
          They're the die-hard Bushies who stayed loyal to the end because of the abortion issue. They took it personally when Bush was derided as an idiot, a warmonger, etc. in the mainstream media and from the left. That resentment is part of the reason they feel like they don't have to wear kid gloves in dealing with Obama. Anything and everything is fair game, including race.
          Not that there aren't still racists around, including prison gang Neo-Nazis, old-school KKK, and the less overt Pat Buchanan types.
          I think there are lots of independents who will just see this as another example of Romney just not having a clue of how to go forward and state an actual policy position other than "repeal Obamacare" and jobs, jobs, jobs.
          I don't think it will change the numbers at all unless it makes a few black folks even more determined to vote.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:39:55 AM PDT

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    •  He showed his "bully" face. (0+ / 0-)

      This comment is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

      by blue muon on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:23:26 AM PDT

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    •  I don't think he planned the booing. (3+ / 0-)
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      The media as usual is giving him too much credit.  Since when has his camp gotten anything right?

      I agree that going to the NAACP was to look good for moderate whites, but I don't think he wanted to provoke the active booing of NAACP.  I don't think he could have known for sure that using "Obamacare" would make the crowd angry.  Even Obama's camp has taken to using that term. I wouldn't expect his clumsy team to realize that there's division on the left as to whether or not "Obamacare" is appropriate to say.

      Booing takes the event from a "look, he reached out, how nice" --- which would be great for low information, true independents, to "he's race baiting to try to get white people to identify with him" which in my opinion mostly only shores up the base and very right leaning independents.  We're not the only ones saying that the booing might be seen as race baiting.  The Daily Beast, which in my experience is a non-partisian headline monger, has an article on Romney's race-baiting.  Being accused of race baiting is not going to help with independents, moderate white women, college educated whites, etc., but it will shore up the base.  I think the former was his plan, and the latter isn't that bad either, but we should call it what it was: a MISTAKE.

    •  Maybe, and no. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm not sure he planned the booing. The guy is so disconnected from Americans who don't own dressage horses of their own that he probably found it puzzling. Now, I love Rachel, and she's smarter than I am, so I'll defer to her judgment in this case. But those are my thoughts on the matter.

      And it will cost him votes. It's been another misstep in a long series that demonstrate Mittens has nowhere to go but down. His only hope is for his campaign people to isolate him from the media and let the super PACs work the airwaves. Every time the guy makes a public appearance, he fucks it up.

      It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness - Eleanor Roosevelt

      by Fish in Illinois on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 08:18:37 AM PDT

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  •  Gillespie: 'There's a lot of misinformation out (4+ / 0-)

    there'......Ed must have been watching the House ACA debates.

  •  It seems curious that even in the diary above the (4+ / 0-)
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    meme seems to be "it's a tossup election" when Obama consistently holds a (narrowish) national lead and a growing edge in most battleground states. Even if Pa. vote suppression law is allowed to stand (probably doubtful) that state could still go Democratic, and I'm surprised most of the Old Northwest seems to be holding Democratic at this time (including Wisconsin).

    Of course it's early, but the way Obama campaign is painting Romney i wonder if GOP superpac $$$ will be all that decisive.

    •  it's a tossup with the popular vote (3+ / 0-)
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      especially because it is only July, but a 3 point election doesn't mean a three point electoral vote.

      if it were October, it'd be a "solid consistent 3 point lead".

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:09:58 AM PDT

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    •  "Real People" (7+ / 0-)

      It's a tossup because "real" voters aren't paying a bit of attention to this thing yet.  I use my sister as a barometer.  Even though her brother is a stereotypical "Beltway Insider" and rants on Facebook constantly, she's yet to tune into anything that's going on.  Her posting yesterday: "Meh.  I will probably vote for Obama again.  Will see."  There's more of her out there than there are of "us."  

      When the weather chills and the conventions get held people will start to tune in.  Right now it's all background noise.  

      Our advantage is that the more people see Romney the more they hate him.  Post convention I feel like the numbers will really harden for Obama.  

      No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

      by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:33:44 AM PDT

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      •  agree, we really have to remember (2+ / 0-)
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        most people are not political junkies. From the marist poll link in the main post:

        With recent public polls showing many Americans unaware of the SCOTUS health care decision, it gives pause for thought.  How much attention  does the public really pay to news coverage of issues thought to shape Decision ’12?

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:41:06 AM PDT

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    •  GOP Super PAC money won't be… (0+ / 0-)

      …decisive in the slightest because Obama can't be defined by it. People already have an opinion on Obama that has been shaped by almost 4 years of relentless attacks. And what the GOP Super PACs need to do is build up Romney, and make him likable, well that ain't gonna happen either.

      As Team Obama continues to run attacks on Romney he's gonna fall further and further behind, because he isn't likable, and no one is going to run ads propping him up.

      Teh stoopidTM, it hurts. Buy smart, union-printed, USA-made, signs, stickers, swag for everyone: DemSign.com. Get your We are the 99% Yard Sign.

      by DemSign on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:59:08 AM PDT

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  •  What Huckabee said about $Romney, (9+ / 0-)

    during the 08 campaign still holds true today: would you rather vote for someone who reminds you of a guy you work with or the guy who laid you off? With more information becoming available almost daily about Romney's off shore accounts and role in exporting american jobs this should be a real campaign issue.

    ",,, the Political whorehouse that is Fox News." Keith Olbermann

    by irate on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:09:17 AM PDT

  •  Romney's Tough Talk on China (12+ / 0-)

    Global-Tech Appliances - Dongguan, China

    EXCLUSIVE: Romney Invested Millions in Chinese Firm That Profited on US Outsourcing

    According to government documents reviewed by Mother Jones, Romney, when he was in charge of Bain, invested heavily in a Chinese manufacturing company that depended on US outsourcing for its profits—and that explicitly stated that such outsourcing was crucial to its success. This previously unreported deal runs counter to Romney's tough talk on the campaign trail regarding China ...

    At the time Romney was acquiring shares in Global-Tech, the firm publicly acknowledged that its strategy was to profit from prominent US companies outsourcing production abroad.

    http://www.motherjones.com/...

    •  The DeathStar Willard to Ohio....'Show me some (2+ / 0-)
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      love.'

    •  And now Twitter is all abuzz (6+ / 0-)

      about a report from the Boston Globe that says Romney worked for Bain through 2002, and he didn't quit in 1999, as Romney's repeatedly said.
      This would make Romney guilty of a federal felony by stating on federal disclosure forms he left Bain in 1999.

      (I see you quoted the article below)

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:32:00 AM PDT

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      •  Drip by drip (3+ / 0-)
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        Leak by leak - I'm still waiting for the Stanford Capital story to hit the mainstream

      •  BUT!!! (0+ / 0-)

        The campaign will couch this as a personal attack, rich Democrats will call it a "non-story," regular Americans won't understand it, and no one will care.  

        We beat Romney thusly:  "Who do you want to vote for?  They guy that looks like the guy that you work WITH or the guy that looks like the guy you work FOR?"  

        Getting down in the weeds of this stuff is too boring for populist politics.  That's why the Bain adds are working - they're simple.  Romney is the guy that likes money more than America.  

        No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

        by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:55:36 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, but it's not really about (3+ / 0-)
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          whether voters are paying attention or not.
          If Bain lied on their SEC filing forms, and Romney went along with it, that's a felony.

          Earlier this month, FactCheck.org stated that if Mitt Romney had not left Bain Capital in 1999, he "would be guilty of a federal felony by certifying on federal financial disclosure forms that he left active management of Bain Capital in February 1999."
          It's also more ammunition to get Romney to release tax returns.

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 07:40:47 AM PDT

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        •  Not if he violated SEC rules (0+ / 0-)

          The threat of criminal action hangs over his head.

          You cannot lie on a prospectus.

          The Muslim said "I wished I had met Christ before I met the Christians" - Rev. Marvin Winins

          by captainlaser on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 03:26:17 PM PDT

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  •  Seemed like Mitt was trying to rev up the base. (7+ / 0-)

    He had to know he doesn't have a chance with African American voters anyway.

    It fits into another Mitt pattern too -- taking the easy way out and trying to portray it as a profile in courage.

    I saw the same thing when he gave his big religion speech. Instead of criticizing intolerance within his own party, he more or less said "I'm just as intolerant as you.....it's the secularists we need to hate!"

    He wants to portray himself as having a "Sister Soujah" moment by pandering to his party's base rather than confronting it.

    "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

    by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:10:16 AM PDT

    •  he doesn't understand what that means (3+ / 0-)

      obviously. But if he thinks the tea party whackos will now love him, good luck with that.

      He is disliked, even by Romney voters. Ain't gonna change.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:12:48 AM PDT

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      •  As was speculated below. (5+ / 0-)

        I think this shows he's still having a big problem with the Repub base.

        "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

        by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:17:04 AM PDT

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        •  likely so (7+ / 0-)

          that doesn't irk me, it's the idea that this is brilliant politics on his point. As you and others point out, it is a sign of something else... weakness (if he felt he had to), ineptitude (poor press), miscalculation (he really thinks this will help him?).

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:19:39 AM PDT

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          •  I agree. His base may fall for it and be (3+ / 0-)
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            "offended" that he was booed but they will also be very suspicious as to why he was even there in the first place. So if it was a strategy it doesn't seem to be a clearly good one. Just more of the completely tone deaf one dimensional antics of this man and his campaign. It's like the convenience store cookies or the plastic bag raincoats. He's trying to see the world the way his base does and pander to it but he simply can't.  He's too far removed and empathy stunted.

            “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

            by stellaluna on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:38:24 AM PDT

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          •  It's not brilliant politics... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...and I don't think ANYONE is saying that.  I'd need to see some quotes to allow that assertion.  That is hyperbole.  

            But it IS politics.  And, frankly, it's what you have to do to shore up the GOP base.  Nixon had his Southern strategy as have all GOP candidates.  Romney's is ham-fisted, like his whole campaign.  

            This is absolutely a sign of weakness - but not just Romney's weakness, it's the endemic weakness of the GOP.  They've become the "Lily White" party and, as such, they have to race bait to get their voters to the polls.  If anything, this is merely a return to form from GW Bush's more subtle inroads with blacks and hispanics - all of which have now been fully rejected.  

            No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

            by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:39:52 AM PDT

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            •  please follow the links (4+ / 0-)

              I put in the main post.

              Romney's NAACP Gamble Pays Off

              Similarly, he could have ignored the boos following his "Obamacare" comment and continued with his carefully-scripted speech. But he didn't. Instead, he stopped and addressed the adversity head-on, explaining his position and with skill and authority.

              Romney: Crazy Like a Fox

              What he can change is how fired up the Republican base gets between now and then. And to that end, the NAACP's boos were music to his ears.

              Romney takes his message to the NAACP

              Indeed, Romney went for points of mutual agreement and issues that disproportionately impact the black community, like the significant increase in African American unemployment, the importance of school choice, his opposition to gay marriage and the scourge of teenage pregnancy, while also refusing to pander on this issue of health care. Very calculated, very well played

              .

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:47:45 AM PDT

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      •  Dissing black folks to their faces (7+ / 0-)

        is stupid politics.  Sure he got some polite applause, but the booing was about his "Obamacare" word.

        More important is the effect his disrespect had on attendees, and the response to Rev Barber who followed him.

        A fired up NAACP is going to work harder.  

        We will now register more voters and get them to the polls. And the NAACP is working hand in hand with Latino and LGBT groups.

        "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now". Rev. William Barber "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition" Bernice Johnson Reagon

        by Denise Oliver Velez on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:32:43 AM PDT

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  •  Title problem: (4+ / 0-)

    NAACP.

    "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

    by kestrel9000 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:11:00 AM PDT

  •  The Planned Booing Theory (4+ / 0-)

    ...which I think is horse hockey, also misses another salient point, which is "Why?"

    If the pundits think he did that deliberately, to show he was tough by going into the "lion's den" and stating in no uncertain terms what he'd do, then one also has to ask "why would he do that"? Could it be Mitt Romney still has a base problem? If so, then Romney has more serious problems than the media is letting on.

    More likely their campaign gave a stump speech that was just ill-suited to that audience, and then compounded the error with the derogatory "Obamacare", which many rightly took as an insult.

    •  He still has a base problem. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

      by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:14:33 AM PDT

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    •  I am happy to credit him with deliberately (11+ / 0-)

      trying to be an asshole.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:15:29 AM PDT

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    •  Sure, it's a Base Problem (1+ / 0-)
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      And he's counting on people who are legitimately NOT racist to have this reaction - why would he do it?  "I don't get it" will honestly be the response of a good number of his supporters.

      It's those who do "get it" that he was talking to.  Look, I grew up in a racist family in the racist South and I've researched and written heavily on Jim Crow, the New South, and the racial politics of the 20th century.  This is a classic example of what is called "coded language."  

      It's a staged moment:  

      Here is Mitt Romney, the successful white presidential candidate, bravely going before a hostile black audience that clearly supports the first black president.  He's in the "lion's den" "taking the fight to the enemy."  And the crowd rejects him out of hand - they don't give him a fair shake, they boo him, they laugh, they make faces, and they start organ music.  In short, in the mind of the racist, "they" have affirmed all the negative stereotypes held by the racist thinker: blacks are in the tank for Obama and a white man will never get a fair shake from them.  

      That's what Romney's team was going for - the image of a white presidential candidate being dismissed out of hand, en masse by the strongest pillar of the black community.  It's designed to stimulate fear of the "Other" and to harden the racist mind AGAINST the president if not FOR Obama.  It's designed to remind the racist mind that the President is not only "not one of us" but that "his people" are openly hostile "to us."  

      That's why.  That's what this was about.  We can debate that whether or not it was smart politics, but make no mistake - this was planned.  Racial politics is still alive and well in America, folks.  You just saw it.  

      No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

      by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:24:01 AM PDT

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  •  Snake (9+ / 0-)
    Mitt Romney stayed at Bain 3 years longer than he stated

    2002 filings identify him as CEO, though he said he left in 1999

    Government documents filed by Mitt Romney and Bain Capital say Romney remained chief executive and chairman of the firm three years beyond the date he said he ceded control, even creating five new investment partnerships during that time. Romney has said he left Bain in 1999 to lead the winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, ending his role in the company. But public Securities and Exchange Commission documents filed later by Bain Capital state he remained the firm’s “sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president.” ...

    The timing of Romney’s departure from Bain is a key point of contention because he has said his resignation in February 1999 meant he was not responsible for Bain Capital companies that went bankrupt or laid off workers after that date.

    http://bostonglobe.com/...

  •  I'd also add Obama's personal appeal to the mix (9+ / 0-)
    If it were a simplistic "gas prices" or "jobs report" election, Obama would be trailing by 10 points. It's not that simple. You have to factor in just how poor a candidate Romney is, and how disliked the Republican brand AND the standard bearer are, coupled with hope for the future.
    ...whatever one thinks of his administration's handling of the economic issues, there's no denying that Obama himself is personally popular among a broad swath of the American public. He also possesses a certain something that Romney will never have, which points Obama as a  harbinger of the future, while Romney represents a relic of the past. Those intangibles can mean a lot.
    •  If Obama wins this one.... (0+ / 0-)

      .....I'll be almost ready to give him the "Dem Reagan" mantle -- personal appeal rises above the appeal of his policies.

      (Clinton, although probably the best pure politician I ever saw, was always too combative for that title.)

      "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

      by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:23:04 AM PDT

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  •  Romney's conundrum is (12+ / 0-)

    that conservatives want an aggressive candidate, someone angry and confrontational. Unfortunately for Romney, if he behaves that way he loses moderates who expect a presidential candidate to act with a degree of decorum and moderation in his words. He’s in a damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t position.

    If he was the nimble campaigner that Reagan was, he might be able to navigate these waters. He’s not.

    And at this point, all you're going to hear from conservatives for the next four months is screeching and more screeching about how Obama must go and calls for Romney to start screeching too. But he won’t, because he can’t. and screeching isn’t in his personality anyway.

    In the end, all Romney really has going for him is that he’s not Obama, which will carry him with conservatives who will hold their noses and vote for him, but I don’t know that it will work with anyone else.

  •  Mitt doesn't have strategery (3+ / 0-)
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    Mitt's just trying to get by without putting any real policy forward, hiding his sketchy financial past, wooing his billionaire buddies and giving his breathless fake-fired-upness speeches. The NAACP speech was just something he did yesterday, without great consideration to the impact (and what an opportunity to make an impact - instead, he basically gave his stump speech) I wonder how he thinks he's going to win this election "under the radar"?

  •  Pro- Con- to the boo? Con- (2+ / 0-)
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    From the point of view of electoral calculus, and not silly, irrelevant things like honesty, Romney has two piles: Assured voters and At play voters.

    The Assured voters may sit out. I'm sure his people are spending lots of Adelson dough calling and corralling hate banging voters daily to find out on a knob if they like Mitt more or less, less or more. So, there is a potential boost to the disaffected Assureds.

    However, the At play do absolutely nothing with the booing. Does Mitt believe that the Black republicans have done a great job of persuading African Americans that abortion is genocide, that Democrat is gay? If so, that's a weak calculation. Does he think that the at play people like to hear him booed?

    Obama has disaffected voters, too -- lots of them -- and they're harder to appease. So, no. I can see the clip being a source of joy in October for the racists, but I don't see how Romnulan is improved. His disaffected won't be really moved to him, and the at-play won't budge.

    Every reductio ad absurdum will seem like a good idea to some fool or another.

    by The Geogre on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:23:28 AM PDT

    •  Romnulan! that's a good one! (1+ / 0-)
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      This comment is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

      by blue muon on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:30:00 AM PDT

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    •  Other issues (1+ / 0-)
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      As has been pointed out elsewhere, TV and radio played the NAACP clips of Romney being booed endlessly, but almost none played the cheers as he reiterated his opposition to gay marriage. So, that calculation has at least other factors.

      •  See Denise Oliver Velez (0+ / 0-)

        On the rec list now is "He spoke after Romney today," and a point that the head of NAACP in NC made that I hadn't heard -- and I'm moderately well informed -- is that N.O.M. started its anti-gay marriage push NOT to oppose gay marriage, but to split African Americans from the Democratic Party.

        No one likes to be played. As much as the Black community (yeah, I use the old style sheets on capitalizing; I think it's politically more empowering to say, "This is not a color word, but a word that has been made a class and culture word in America by history and economics" via the capital) has powerfully confused (in a literal sense) narratives of homosexuality, I can't imagine that any community likes to see itself so basely manipulated.

        [A small (I think it's small, but can anyone know the size?) subcurrent of the anti-gay sentiment had maintained, quite literally, that gay was white. Imamu Imiri Baraka (if I'm misspelling that, he used to be called Leroy Jones) has long, unreadable for me, screeds about how the white man is a faggot and brought it to the noble black man, etc. For some folks, homosexuality has gotten woven into a nationalist and separatist narrative, therefore. While that particular full-throated view is rare, it can show up in fragments in even moderate speakers.]

        I don't know how this will play with the average person, but I really think that, whatever visceral discomfort there may be or cultural prejudice there may be against gays, Mitt Romney's sense of ownership and patronage will be far, far, far more than enough to swing things back.

        Every reductio ad absurdum will seem like a good idea to some fool or another.

        by The Geogre on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 07:08:47 AM PDT

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        •  Very interesting, but (1+ / 0-)
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          I heard the tape, and I didn't get the impression that the number of NAACP delegates applauding was noticeably less than those jeering. My only point was that it seems less than precise to offer the impression that the NAACP simply renounced Romney and all his pomps.

  •  Idiotic? (0+ / 0-)
    Rachel gets it right. The congratulatory idiotic analysis written more than one pundit that Romney expected and wanted to be booed to shore up his standing with the tea party completely misses the critical point that conservatives can't win Presidential elections by themselves
    What's idiotic? he needs the votes of people that hate him i.e. the baggers and being seen to stand up to Blacks especially in a context such as the NAACP is a strategically good if morally repugnant way to do this.

    Unless of course you think that he really thinks he has a chance of getting a huge chunk of the Black vote. (Which would beg the question of why are so many of the GOP working actively to stop blacks from voting?

    But feel free to regard something that is still bleeding from the application of Occam's razor as idiotic if you like.

    •  He's still trying to consolidate his base... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...when he should be building on it.

      Can't blame him, I guess. His base hates him and he figured here was a good chance to gain some cheap points from the racists.

      But, I think DemCT is saying, going narrower isn't the way to win a general election.

      "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

      by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:33:31 AM PDT

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    •  Obama wins postgrads in 2008 by 58-40 (0+ / 0-)

      it isn't the black vote tha the never had and can't get, it's the educated white vote that Romney loses with this. That's key, for example, in VA and maybe NH and IA.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:35:54 AM PDT

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      •  I guess I need a lesson here... (0+ / 0-)

        ...if Obama WON with post grads in 2008 then those are clearly OBAMA voters.  You're saying that this speech hurts Romney with those voters...voters who went with Obama last time.  Again, those people aren't in Romney's column anyway!  He can't "lose" voters he doesn't "have."  He can fail to convince them to come over to his side.  But he can't "lose" them.  

        As a Southerner steeped in racial politics it's clear to me what this was all about.  This wasn't about winning post grads in a state like Virginia.  This was about making sure all the Republican racists down around the southern neck remember to vote.  My family is from southern Virginia.  I know these people.  This is the kind of thing they eat up.  

        Could Romney have made a mistake?  Sure!  But it's too early to tell if he did.  I, personally, hate what he did but my hating it doesn't blind me to the fact that he did it...and why.  

        No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

        by CrazyHorse on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:50:32 AM PDT

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        •  Obama can't count on every voter he had in 2008 (1+ / 0-)
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          this is a much closer election. Some of that 2008 support is soft. Romney erred with this performance and pushes many/some of them back to Obama.

          In a close election, it all matters.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 07:06:24 AM PDT

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  •  What I've been saying: (5+ / 0-)
    It's getting to the point where Obama winning and Romney losing is not only important for the future direction of the country, but to course correct the people who think that what the tea party thinks actually matters to most Americans.
    This white man has been saying this since Jan 21, 2009.  As much as it would be awesome that we lived in a country where the color of the persons skin or their gender does not matter, I'm afraid the only way it is going to happen is for the other side to realize that they can no longer win being the party of hate and fear.  And that will take our side making sure that Obama wins, and the next Democrat wins, and the next one if necessary.  Republicans either have to change or curl up in the corner sucking on their thumbs.

    Occupy the voting Booth!

    by anonevent on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:28:59 AM PDT

    •  Yes. This election is about so much more than (8+ / 0-)

      who will be President. If the racist, white homophobic, etc. Republican base succeeds we can expect nothing but hate and obstructionism every time a person of color, woman, or whomever they hate, is elected. They need to be broken from this. They need to find out you can't just refuse to play if you don't like who is elected. If they win this election it's going to be difficult for any black person to ever win because in addition to racism you also have voters who will look at the divisiveness and be afraid of four more years of gridlock. That is the message behind the tea party "most divisive President ever" meme.

      “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

      by stellaluna on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:48:01 AM PDT

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  •  Looking forward to the analysis today on DK Radio (3+ / 0-)
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    Based on historical numbers technically Obama should be anywhere from 5-8 points lower than he is now, that he is not should say something and asks a lot of questions.

    Personally, I think people STILL have such a bad taste in their mouths from the 8 years of Bush/Cheney that they recognize that this POTUS has inherited much of the problems we face. Couple that with a gridlocked legislature and it paints a picture pretty similar to Truman.

    His reelection won't be easy, but its increasingly becoming all but certain.

    --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

    by idbecrazyif on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:29:16 AM PDT

  •  Romney's plan works like a charm (2+ / 0-)
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    His comments in MT to supporters about being booed at the NAACP convention confirms IMHO why he used the word "obamacare" instead of the affordable care act or healthcare law, he was hoping for a reaction from the crowd.  The fact is that he can now say see I say the samething to every group, you now know I'm a man of my word a man of conviction not a flip flopper like you may have heard.

    Jesus was a bleeding heart liberal

    by BeeClone on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:29:37 AM PDT

  •  Great Moments in casual racism (3+ / 0-)
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    "Hungry people steal. Homeless people kill," Perot told 800 local and national NAACP leaders gathered at the Nashville Convention Center at the beginning of the organization's weeklong national convention. "If you can put people to work, that's a huge step forward in rebuilding our society."

    --Ross Perot in 1992

    "Another interesting idea...is a personal savings account...which can't be used to bet on the lottery, or a dice game, or the track.

    "Secondly, the interesting -- there's a -- African American males die sooner than other males do, which means the system is inherently unfair to a certain group of people."

    --George Bush, 2005

  •  The Second Coming in the polls (1+ / 0-)
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    What is up with all this "horse race" punditry? It hasn't happened very much if ever where a poll this early in the election cycle EVER gave us a clear run away winner to the November election.. EVER!

    So why do they keep repeating that they are virtually tied or neck and neck. This horse race mentality in July is giving me a headache!

    Right now the "trend" is that Obama is ahead in the polls that matter. So why all the tension in the air? Yes, it could change in an instant if, let's say, Iran lobbed a rocket at Israel. Or the Stock Market took a nose dive off a cliff. Or that Congress finally succumbed to a pang of conscience and passed Obama's Jobs Bill. I mean "Get Real, gang!". It's a bunch of polls!

    If it were me writing this crap I would say,
    "Obama is doing well in the polls this week."
    Or "Romney is sucking wind again in the polls."

    We won't know who will win until someone does win. So I'm satisfied that we have good poll numbers and a good trend thus far. It's the best thus far we can expect. Other than Jesus coming back and giving those yahoos on the extreme christian right a good thrashing.

    It's not too much to wish for. Right?

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:46:33 AM PDT

    •  heh (0+ / 0-)

      but ti's stuff under the horse race numbers that's most interesting. Who's seen as having a better plan for the economy? Do people really embrace the Ryan budget or will they vote for My Pet Goat if Romney runs with it? What if lower taxes means less services... or city bankruptcy?

      And so on...

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:55:51 AM PDT

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  •  For. The. Win. (3+ / 0-)
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    Hah!

    Of course, keep in mind nothing short of ripping Obama's heart out and eating it raw on national TV will satisfy them.

    Teh stoopidTM, it hurts. Buy smart, union-printed, USA-made, signs, stickers, swag for everyone: DemSign.com. Get your We are the 99% Yard Sign.

    by DemSign on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:48:26 AM PDT

  •  Well put: (2+ / 0-)
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    "Mitt ‪Romney‬ is a despicable, pandering politician in the filthiest, most contemptible & loathsome sense of that word."

    http://eclectablog.com/...

    •  Michael Tomasky (1+ / 0-)
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      over at the Daily Beast was about as mad:

      But he wasn’t a race-baiter until yesterday. That speech wasn’t to the NAACP. It was to Rush Limbaugh. It was to Tea Party Nation. It was to Fox News. Oh, he said some nice things. And sure, let’s give him one point for going there at all. But listen: You don’t go into the NAACP and use the word “Obamacare” and think that you’re not going to hear some boos. It’s a heavily loaded word, and Romney and his people know very well that liberals and the president’s supporters consider it an insult. He and his team had to know those boos were coming, and Romney acknowledged as much a few hours later in an interview with . . . guess which channel (hint: it’s the one whose web site often has to close articles about race to commenters because of the blatant racism). Romney and team obviously concluded that a little shower of boos was perfectly fine because the story “Romney Booed at NAACP” would jazz up their (very white) base...

      You don’t just peremptorily denounce the position you know he is attached to as “non-essential” and say you’ll eliminate it and move on to point four. You would know that that would come across as both condescending and ineffective.

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 07:03:05 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  No comments? (3+ / 0-)
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    DRo, politicalceci, DemFromCT

    No comments on all those cities going broke or bankrupt?

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:49:06 AM PDT

  •  No... (0+ / 0-)
    Standing up at the NAACP and declaring he doesn't care about black people might win him some votes, but so what? It loses him a lot more.
    How do you figure it loses him more?  These people were not going to vote for Romney.  I didn't spot Alan West or Clarence Thomas in the audience.

    The only thing it does is get some of the stupider racists in his base to say "Whut?  He ain't as askeered of them libs as ah thawt.  Ah thank ah'll put down mah jug uv corn likker lawng enuff to go vote fer that feller.  Maw, where's muh white suit, yew know, thuh wun with the hood?"

    Because stupid people are so sure they're smart, they often act smart, and sometimes even smart people are too stupid to recognize that the stupid people acting smart really ARE stupid.

    by ZedMont on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:51:00 AM PDT

    •  it's the white college and post grad vote (2+ / 0-)
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      politicalceci, belle1

      suburban women and white moderates.

      it's not about the audience in the hall.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:57:43 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well, I must be stupid, because I just don't get (0+ / 0-)

        how that performance helps him with suburban women and white moderates.

        Okay, I'll admit I'm stupid.  

        Because stupid people are so sure they're smart, they often act smart, and sometimes even smart people are too stupid to recognize that the stupid people acting smart really ARE stupid.

        by ZedMont on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 07:34:35 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  it hurts Romney with that group (0+ / 0-)

          which is my point: it ain't brilliant politics to try and run a narrow campaign in the general.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 07:57:04 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  A More Intelligent Man Than Romney (1+ / 0-)
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    would have said "I have a healthcare reform plan which will better for you and cheaper than Obamacare".  He got booed not because he wanted to, but because he is not an intelligent man at all.

  •  Yes, I agree it was planned. (2+ / 0-)
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    CrazyHorse, skohayes

    In fact, Mitt's entire dog and pony show at the NAACP was sickening as it was quite contrived.

    The worst part of it (along with the tug-of-war that seems to be going on during the Trayvon Martin case) is the fact that it continues to play the "white privilege/paternalistic" card in such an underhanded way.

    For some folks who have been brainwashed by their morning right wing radio, Romney's reception only reinforces the fact that folks of color, let alone black folks deserve finger-wagging and not autonomy in their choice for who suits them.

    In fact, the mouth-breathers hate any person of color who asserts their own choices and power in societal situations.

    Unfortunately, for Romney and the teabaggers who see him as the next, great hope, this is not the 1950's.  And seeing the POTUS in office solidifies that fact.

    The bright side to that entire happening is that Romney appeared more of a buffoon and a laughing stock than ever.

    The sad thing is that he'll never realize it.  He's that myopic.

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:08:30 AM PDT

  •  weekly unemployment claims down to 350000 n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  gop- GET OUT OF THE WAY! (2+ / 0-)
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    politicalceci, skohayes
    This will help us understand Americans’ pessimism about current economic circumstances yet growing optimism that the worst may be over.
    Imagine how much optimism there would be if the gop would just get out of the way.
    I think there should be an ad campaign that just asks every American to do a little thought experiment and imagine how the country would be without the gop.

    I think it would be effective.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 06:26:57 AM PDT

  •  Mittles at NAACP (0+ / 0-)

    It is a win.  It helps him with the fascist, racist (redundancy?) right.  It costs him nothing.  Whatever an independent is and however that person manages not to be committed, s/he cares not a whit about PulicanT pandering to racists and the rich white male or corporate interests.  Whatever may motivate this person none of these extremely important things matters nor is anything to be held against the candidates of the right.  Look at the empirical evidence.

  •  Guys, Romney may be onto something. (0+ / 0-)

    And it may be something that President Obama has also realise: independents really aren't that important. To be more precise, trying to appeal to independents is a swift path to irrelevance. Why?

    Because most of them have already made up their minds - take a look at this: "Democratic-leaning" independents behave statistically identically to registered Democrats, and "Republican-leaning" independents behave statistically identically to registered Republicans.

    Given that less than 10% of the electorate is comprised of actual independents (as opposed to "leaners" who may as well be registered D/R party members), base turnout becomes much, much more important in gaining victory than appealing to a tiny pool of people who are almost certainly switched off until they walk into the booth.

    With this in mind, I applaud Obama's recent moves toward the Left on policy - not simply because they are good policy (they are), but because they're also good politics. And it's about time that this understanding percolated its way through to the DNC, the DSCC and the DCCC - their base is far, far more important than the small and shrinking number of "independent" voters who are actually up for grabs.

  •  I heard they booed Joe Biden today (0+ / 0-)

    when he said

    this next term may be my last.

    The Muslim said "I wished I had met Christ before I met the Christians" - Rev. Marvin Winins

    by captainlaser on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 03:22:49 PM PDT

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