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How the Mormons Make Money

It's a blockbuster.  Let's assume Businessweek is smart enough to cross their i's and dot their t's (lol).  The Mormon business machine runs far and wide.

I BEG readers here not to dump on the either the religion or the people.  Please approach this information as an educational experience.

There is a big question, in our cash strapped country, on whether or not religions should pay tax on their incomes.  

If you want religious debate, you will find a plethora of them in the comment sections of the Businessweek article.

Will be interested in your thoughts about taxing religions.

I live in Utah, and I must admit that this project raised my eyebrow.

City Creek Mall

Late last March the Mormon Church completed an ambitious project: a megamall. Built for roughly $2 billion, the City Creek Center stands directly across the street from the church’s iconic neo-Gothic temple in Salt Lake City. The mall includes a retractable glass roof, 5,000 underground parking spots, and nearly 100 stores and restaurants, ranging from Tiffany’s (TIF) to Forever 21. Walkways link the open-air emporium with the church’s perfectly manicured headquarters on Temple Square. Macy’s (M) is a stone’s throw from the offices of the church’s president, Thomas S. Monson, whom Mormons believe to be a living prophet.

On the morning of its grand opening, thousands of shoppers thronged downtown Salt Lake, eager to elbow their way into the stores. The national anthem played, and Henry B. Eyring, one of Monson’s top counselors, told the crowds, “Everything that we see around us is evidence of the long-standing commitment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to Salt Lake City.” When it came time to cut the mall’s flouncy pink ribbon, Monson, flanked by Utah dignitaries, cheered, “One, two, three—let’s go shopping!”

City Creek Center Mall on Opening Weekend

I would have been more impressed with an experimental community to integrate some homeless people (who line up for the shelter a couple of blocks to the west each night).

Tiffany's is one of the stores.  This is definitely a mall for million and billionaires.  Well, there's an H & M, too.  Clothes made by children of color in other far away lands that sell for really cheap prices.  I boycott H & M personally.

The mall is across the street from the famous Salt Lake City Temple Square and Tabernacle

temple square.

So, we have the Temple dedicated to God on one side of the street, and the Temple of Materialism across the street.

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  •  This isn't about Mormons, (2+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama, Magnifico

    it is about how the Mormon Church invests its money.  
    I think you should change your title.

    It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 07:07:46 PM PDT

  •  A question for our tax/accounting wizzards (4+ / 0-)

    How does Unrelated Taxable Business Income (UBTI) impact churches and church investments?

    The  Mormon Church has owned the land under the mall for a very long time. They built a mall and my guess is that they receive percentage rents, but don't actually run any of the stores (maybe one that has Mormon items). If this is just rental income my guess is that the church has no UBTI issues. However, if the church actually ran an actual for-profit business do they have the same UBTI issues as other non-profits?

    My take on the mall is that it appears to be the highest and best use for the real estate and will be a long term good investment for the Church. The Church has the benefit of being able to look at these types of investments over a 50 year, or longer, cycle.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 07:11:39 PM PDT

    •  dead on, vclib. (4+ / 0-)
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      Argyrios, ozsea1, Lujane, VClib

      if they're just collecting rent, and are neither actively managing the mall nor have a mortgage on the property, then they don't have ubti, since rent is a statutory exception from the tax.

      if they're operating businesses, otoh, they have the same ubit liability that other charities have.  charities in general, and I'd wager the Mormon church in particular, are pretty aggressive with taking the position that ubti is actually related function revenue and therefore nontaxable.  to the extent there are shenanigans, I'd bet that's where the action is.

      churches, of course, don't have to file returns, and the there are some crazy procedural roadblocks to get around before the feds can audit a church.  I'm not sure whether that extends to a ubit audit.  even if it doesn't, though, states are often more aggressive in going after churches and nonprofits, since they have a little more budgetary pressure and often tighter definitions of charitable activity (PA, for example, is in the process of tightening its already less restrictive definition, and would allow it to go at pseudo charities and disguised business enterprises)

    •  They could have set up the mall (1+ / 0-)
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      Lujane

      in a for-profit opaque subsidiary if they wanted to achieve very safe compliance (and pay taxes on the for-profit activity), but of course I have no idea.

  •  They pay taxes (or should). (4+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama, CorinaR, Lujane, ExStr8

    It's called UBIT income, and it stems from any for-profit activities conducted by tax-exempt entities. They owe taxes (at corporate rates) on any income generated.

  •  Doesn't it seem Really Strange (14+ / 0-)

    that a church built a ...mall?

    Aren't they supposed to be in the business of saving souls
    or something, feeding the poor, sheltering the homeless, etc.?  

    Is this a "church,"  or a business?
    Seems like a business venture to me.

    Tax the Hell outta them, I say. :)

    •  mama jo, read the article for the answer. As I (5+ / 0-)

      understand it, LDS considers profit part of their spiritual teachings.

      •  I get that, (2+ / 0-)
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        high uintas, Temmoku

        and it's actually not a bad thing--
        that jobs were created, and people encouraged
        to return to a downtown area.

        But it seems to me that profitable business ventures
        are just that:  Business Ventures.  
        And should be taxed as such, when profits are made.

        It seems kinda convenient that money-making
        is considered to be part of their "spiritual teachings."

    •  The Mormons own (1+ / 0-)
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      high uintas

      huge amounts of property in the US. I can't remember what exactly but I remember it was baseball stadiums, huge buildings Plus most of SLC.  

      My social security, medicare and military retirement are EARNED benefits. The checks Paris Hilton and the Waltons receive while sitting around the pool are entitlements. Don't let the Republicans confuse you.

      by regis on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 07:41:27 PM PDT

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    •  From the very beginning the LDS church has been (9+ / 0-)

      in the business of business. ZCMI (Zion's Collective Mercantile Company) was only of the earliest department stores in the west.

      Remember, Utah was isolated from the rest of the US by distance and culture and individual towns were even more isolated. I've written this before, but in truth the church was set up as a very socialistic/capitalistic system.

      Each town had it's Mercantile and people traded goods or produced or bought items there. Each town had a church farm and later canneries, lumber mills, clothing factories, ect. Members payed tithes and they also volunteered to work in the church enterprises, still do.

      In the beginning all towns were ran this way, members were ordered to settle in some place and then set up the necessities for more members to follow. It has modernized and City Creek was built where the old ZCMI first stood.

      If a member is in need the church will provide all or some of the needs of that member from food to rent to transportation to education. The church also shares some with non members but by and large these "Bishop's Warehouses" are for members.

      The large businesses fund the church's business arm and their charitable arm. If you want to learn about growth and money, study the Mormon church. They are masters at it, that's why they do so well in business.

      "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

      by high uintas on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 07:50:38 PM PDT

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    •  Not the LDS (1+ / 0-)
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      Ginny in CO

      If the article is correct, then the church holds that building a successful business is as laudable a mission as is feeding the poor, sheltering the homeless, burying the dead, healing the sick, visiting prisoners and so on.

      So they are not violating their principles.  They may be violating the Christian principles my denomination adheres to, but that's neither here nor there.

      Yes, it seems strange.  It also seems strange to some that some people insist on praying five times a day.  Yet others believe that they are eating the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ at the Eucharist.  Yet others commemorate the flight of slaves 3,000 years ago with a four-hour meal in which they drink enough sweet wine to get tipsy.  

      "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

      by Yamaneko2 on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 10:01:42 PM PDT

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  •  War on Error, tipped and rec'd for the link to the (2+ / 0-)
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    You know me man, Temmoku

    article.  It will take a while to read the entire article.  How can this be a non-profit, tax exempt use of donations?

  •  Mormons also have their own private welfare system (7+ / 0-)

    SF Chronicle: Mormon food bank a private welfare system

    The recession and the increased demand it's putting on Mormon storehouses give a unique look into the elaborate organization of a religious group gaining influence in America.

    "They're damn sophisticated people, for sure," said Rodney Stark, professor of sociology of religion at Baylor University and the author of "The Rise of Mormonism."

    What makes the 110 storehouses around the country remarkable is that they are part of a system run almost entirely by volunteers. They grow the food on Mormon-owned farms, and package it at the storehouses. Volunteers drive trucks and deliver the food to distant wards - what Mormons call their sanctuaries - if recipients live more than 30 miles from a storehouse. As the recession has deepened, the church says it has seamlessly kept up with demand that increased 20 percent over the past year. But the intensely private church declined to say how many people or how much food that represented.

    [...]

    "The local bishop has all sorts of people for whom he's got to find things to do," said Stark, the sociology of religion professor. Stark has known elderly Mormons who get taken to doctors' appointments or have their houses painted. "They've got this enormous firepower to do all sorts of things."

    •  For morons, excuse me, Mormons only, and the (0+ / 0-)

      only reason they have the food to give away is that they are religiously bound to keep a stockpile for the end times and at a certain point their current stock will spoil.

      “The real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson” -FDR

      by You know me man on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 07:43:06 PM PDT

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      •  Not entirely true. (5+ / 0-)

        I can give a real world example, my neighbor is a non-Mormon. She is disabled with Fibro and RA and a host of auto-immune illnesses, her daughter became very sick with a kidney ailment and lost her job.

        She moved herself and her two small children in with her mom and they were all living on SNAP and neighbor's SSI. A Mormon neighbor contacted the local Bishop and he took the whole family to the Bishop's Warehouse.

        Since they didn't need food he outfitted the entire family, especially the kid's school clothes, and payed their utility bills for a couple of months while they got back up on their feet. He didn't pressure them and all in all it was IMO a good thing.

        You are right that Mormons are told to store food for emergencies but that is not what the storehouses are all about.

        "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

        by high uintas on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 08:02:21 PM PDT

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        •  Stalin once saved a freezing dog (0+ / 0-)

          from the side of the road. Does that make everything else okay?

          Sorry that was too much, but seriously, one good deed does not erase a history of wrongs.

          “The real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson” -FDR

          by You know me man on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 08:06:31 PM PDT

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          •  Just correcting a falsehood. (5+ / 0-)

            Not into doing battle with strawmen. You don't have to be Mormon to receive help from them and the whole food storage thing is for members. Not all do it, they don't get drummed out or anything if they don't.

            "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

            by high uintas on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 08:11:23 PM PDT

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            •  I was simply saying that the food was (2+ / 0-)
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              high uintas, WaryLiberal

              to feed the mormon poor. Just because it fed someone else once doesn't make it doctrine. Plenty of mormons are decent folk, but Thomas Monson Sr. does not speak directly to god. I am sorry to disappoint. Polygamy was banned to become a state, and racism was rid of in the priesthood because of the CRA. I personally believe all religions are frauds, but LDS has to be the easiest one to spot save Greek and Roman mythology.

              “The real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson” -FDR

              by You know me man on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 08:15:40 PM PDT

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  •  The "Church" is as much a business (9+ / 0-)

    as a religion. Always has been. And it's all based on volunteers. The top CAs are the only ones with salaries. I read somewhere that they make $650K with perks, like travel and church-owned vacation homes and such. It's the wealth they control, and their dictatorship over who does business in Deseret, and how, that is impressive. I sometimes wonder if Willard is hiding his tax returns, not from the IRS, but from the Church. Maybe he's been cheating on his tithes.
    Off to read the article, T&R.

    The GOP ... Government of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%

    by Azazello on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 07:33:53 PM PDT

  •  Some of the most liberal churches do a lot (2+ / 0-)
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    johnny wurster, VClib

    of charitable work we would be taxing? I changed my mind about that. We need churches to continue doing charitable work, if that means none of them are taxed, then so be it. In this economy, we can't afford for churches to stop doing all they do for the poor. rather, we should be enforcing the laws against partisan preaching.

    Obama wants your guns = Romney wants your Medicare Stop choosing your guns over your health You're shooting yourself

    by blueoregon on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 07:36:15 PM PDT

    •  And Joel Olsteen's mega profitable church? (4+ / 0-)

      I think tax laws can be written to exempt PROVEN expenditures for "reasonable operation expenses" and charitable spending.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 07:38:58 PM PDT

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      •  While I hate his prosperity gospel bs (0+ / 0-)

        most of the money his megachurch takes in goes to making it more mega and putting his mug on airwaves. That could be considered advertising for his books, but it is mostly untouchable. The LDS however does invest in profit making ventures directly, and directs people to give money to political causes from the pulpit. Not to mention they are just bat shit crazy even by today's religious standards.

        “The real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson” -FDR

        by You know me man on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 07:49:34 PM PDT

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        •  Matching funds to priorities (0+ / 0-)

          From the BusinessWeek piece:

          Until the 1990s, wards—the Mormon equivalent of parishes—kept some donated member money locally to distribute for aid and activities as they saw fit. Today all money is wired directly to Salt Lake City. McMullin insists that not one penny of tithing goes to the church’s for-profit endeavors, but it’s impossible for church members to know for sure. Although the Mormon Doctrine and Covenants says “all things shall be done by common consent in the church,” members are not provided with any financial accounting. Daymon M. Smith, a Mormon anthropologist, points out that tithing slips read, “Though reasonable efforts will be made globally to use donations as designated, all donations become the Church’s property and will be used at the Church’s sole discretion to further the church’s overall mission.”

          According to an official church Welfare Services fact sheet, the church gave $1.3 billion in humanitarian aid in more than 178 countries and territories during the 25 years between 1985 and 2010. A fact sheet from the previous year indicates that less than one-third of the sum was monetary assistance, while the rest was in the form of “material assistance.” All in all, if one were to evenly distribute that $1.3 billion over a quarter-century, it would mean that the church gave $52 million annually. A study co-written by Cragun and recently published in Free Inquiry estimates that the Mormon Church donates only about 0.7 percent of its annual income to charity; the United Methodist Church gives about 29 percent.

          When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

          by Egalitare on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 03:19:38 AM PDT

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    •  Mormons spend most of their money trying to (1+ / 0-)
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      pollbuster

      recruit more mormons and defeating prop 8. A line can be drawn. Also, the line has already been drawn against partisan preaching, but Mr. Donohue is on television everyday calling President Obama a baby killer.

      “The real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson” -FDR

      by You know me man on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 07:40:31 PM PDT

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  •  One state off but (0+ / 0-)
    "hell no, we can't stop here [in Utah], this is bat[shit] country"
    How true it is.

    “The real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson” -FDR

    by You know me man on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 07:38:29 PM PDT

  •  Theocracy is awesome (3+ / 0-)
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    Magnifico, You know me man, BigOkie

    NOW SHOWING
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    by The Dead Man on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 07:40:39 PM PDT

  •  I am a currently dormant (2+ / 0-)
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    Shirl In Idaho, VClib

    member of the Episcopal Church. I understand that the Church in New York City owns some very valuable property, some of which was in contention for use by Occupy last Fall/Winter. The Church didn't want Occupiers there because they expected to have it commercially developed.
    So it's not just Mormons.

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 08:48:10 PM PDT

    •  Trinity Church on Wall Street (1+ / 0-)
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      Lily O Lady

      That's a shame and a scandal.  The rector seems to be running his own show with the help of a pliant vestry, while most of the church's worshippers have decamped.

      The Episcopal Church is renting some of its property at "815" (HQ) to others to raise revenue.  The strange thing is that in the lunatic NY rental market, 815 will probably make more money from the deals than most parishes turn over in a decade.  

      On the other hand, they do publish the budgets, and just spent nine days in the Indianapolis heat arguing about such matters in as public a way as possible.

      "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

      by Yamaneko2 on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 10:08:04 PM PDT

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  •  LDS Corp (2+ / 0-)
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    greenbird, Cassandra Waites

    I've found using LDS Corp is an easy, short-hand way to differentiate between the leadership and the members. I hope it catches on here at Dkos! (I even made a tag for it...)

    If you want to understand the battle going on in the Mormon Church, compare and contrast Harry Reid and Mitt Romney. One stands for what the church teaches, and his values and political positions reflect the church I always thought I was a member of. The other is the embodiment of everything that's wrong with the LDS Corp--he's the snake-oil salesman, the powerful man driven by nothing but hunger for more power.

    It's a dichotomy that ultimately drove me away completely--long after I embraced atheism I still identified as culturally Mormon because I thought I still shared the values. Then Prop 8 happened, and it was so obviously an effort to rile up hate in order to raise more money, it was so unnecessary. Gay Marriage doesn't impact the integrity of the church because the church already doesn't recognize civil ceremonies. If you aren't married in the Temple, the church's stance is basically "It doesn't count." The LDS Corp only fought gay marriage so hard because they're bigoted, small-minded, greedy motherfuckers.

    Faithful Mormons, the ones who really believe that God and Jesus Christ revealed themselves to Joseph Smith in order to restore the gospel on earth need to take a good, hard look at their current leadership. The Book of Mormon is pretty clear on one thing, and that's what happens to a people who become too "worldly," too corrupt and powerful, to distracted by materialism and not devoted to God. Those people are always destroyed. Even God's "Chosen" ones in BoM are destroyed. Wiped out. No more. Whether or not you believe it's the inspired word of God, it's a pattern worth considering.

    Nephi's vision of the Tree of Life is in the first chapter of Book of Mormon. It's the story everybody learns first, and it's symbolism is important to the faithful.

    35 And the multitude of the earth was gathered together; and I beheld that they were in a large and spacious building, like unto the building which my father saw. And the angel of the Lord spake unto me again, saying: Behold the world and the wisdom thereof; yea, behold the house of Israel hath gathered together to fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

     36 And it came to pass that I saw and bear record, that the great and spacious building was the apride of the world; and it fell, and the fall thereof was exceedingly great. And the angel of the Lord spake unto me again, saying: Thus shall be the destruction of all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, that shall fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

    If I were still a member, I wouldn't be after the completion and dedication of City Creek. And I can't understand how anybody sticks around.

    "There's an iPad 3 and a Mitt Romney 4 now. They've worked the bugs out. He's not killing hobos at night anymore."

    by muzzleofbees on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 09:11:32 PM PDT

    •  I wish I could edit! (0+ / 0-)

      I should have said "One stands for what the scriptures teach..." Not the the Church. I don't think the "Church" itself even cares about the important doctrines anymore.

      "There's an iPad 3 and a Mitt Romney 4 now. They've worked the bugs out. He's not killing hobos at night anymore."

      by muzzleofbees on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 09:13:14 PM PDT

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    •  oh pleeze see my comment below, (0+ / 0-)

      linking to my comment earlier today...
      and note the author of the mormon bible was originally writing a novel, and it was plagarized...
      and sham-wow, le grift was perfected.

      Addington's Perpwalk: TRAILHEAD of Accountability for Bush-2 Crimes.
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      by greenbird on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 09:38:59 PM PDT

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      •  Oh I know (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm aware of the origins of the Book of Mormon. I'm even aware of the fact that it's not "the mormon Bible" since the Mormons actually have a Bible--the King James one. I also know that the only reason referring to it as "the mormon bible" bugs me is that it bugs them, and somethings are ingrained sigh.

        But the Mormon faithful don't know, and most of them wouldn't care. Literally. You could present them with undeniable proof, and they would find a way to dismiss it, ignore it, or otherwise act as though they've never heard it. My own sister flat out said "It doesn't matter" when I challenged her with it. Sad.

        And so, my point is, by going by their own words which they choose to believe is literally the gospel truth, their leadership is in deep shit...

        "There's an iPad 3 and a Mitt Romney 4 now. They've worked the bugs out. He's not killing hobos at night anymore."

        by muzzleofbees on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 09:59:01 PM PDT

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  •  they should pay UBIT on (0+ / 0-)

    the income.  did the article discuss that?

  •  i'll just repeat my earlier comment, in (0+ / 0-)

    Addington's Perpwalk: TRAILHEAD of Accountability for Bush-2 Crimes.
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    by greenbird on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 09:33:41 PM PDT

  •  ISTR (0+ / 0-)

    there was a mall there - indoor, and mostly in a basement - in the early 90s (the only time I've been there).

    (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

    by PJEvans on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 09:40:38 PM PDT

  •  Does the statue of Brigham Young still point (0+ / 0-)

    towards Zions National Bank in SLC?  I found it funny that the statue of the LDS Leader's hand pointed toward the bank & not the Temple.

    It is a terrible thing to see and have no vision. ~ Helen Keller

    by Pam from Calif on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 09:58:29 PM PDT

    •  Yes it does (1+ / 0-)
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      Pam from Calif

      And Mormons don't think that's a problem at all

      "There's an iPad 3 and a Mitt Romney 4 now. They've worked the bugs out. He's not killing hobos at night anymore."

      by muzzleofbees on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 10:00:53 PM PDT

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    •  My SLC buddy sez (0+ / 0-)
      "He has his hand out toward the State House and his ass toward the Church"
      Apparently this is common conversation among the local unshriven heathen population. There is also some discussion in those same damned circles regarding the odd similarities between the words Mormon, Moron, Moroni (angelic messenger to J Smith), Mammon (biblical synonym for Money), and, if I may add, Macaroni. Coincidence? You decide.

      Just getting a handle on the knobs and dials.... Hey, don't touch that!

      by Old Lefty on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 10:52:47 PM PDT

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  •  Srsly? (2+ / 0-)
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    johnny wurster, War on Error

    Corporation of the Presiding Bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS runs the Beneficial Financial Group?!

    A church-run megamall next to the spiritual center of their religion?

    Are we really not allowed to mock this?

    They compare it to the Catholic Church in terms of secrecy, but I'd mention the Scientologists if I wrote this article.

  •  This is just weird. I agree with the diarist that (1+ / 0-)
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    War on Error

    it would make more sense for the Mormon church to build a homeless shelter, free lunch kitchen, or some other organization to help the less fortunate.

    But to promote materialism in such a blatant manner?  Maybe this isn't a "real" church. Churches need money to operate, just like other organizations. However, they need to pay taxes on their earnings, just like corporations do. Wait, do corporations pay taxes?

    FACT: many Christian churches do not consider the Mormon "church" to be Christian. Nor do they consider Romney to be a Christian. Hmm. . . who will the fundamentalists vote for in November? Just wondering.

    Liberal (from Webster's Dictionary): tolerant of views differing from one's own; broad-minded

    by 50sbaby on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 08:03:39 AM PDT

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