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With each passing day it becomes more clear that no one is going to hold Penn State accountable for the actions of the men they choose to lead their University.  As such, it is time for us to act as a community.

If they wont shut it down, we must shut them out

Let me start by saying I am a hard core college football fan.  I probably watch 40+ games BEFORE bowl season and I try to get all the bowls in either live or on DVR.  I also have a dear friend who is a Penn State Alum, former cheerleader, who adored Joe Paterno.  She is devastated by this and I feel for her but not as much as I do for the victims.  

Here is the letter I wrote to Kansas State Athletic Director John Currie:

Dear Sir,

I am writing you today to ask you to take a stand for all that is good, right and clean about college sports.  It is not with joy but sadness that I am asking this.  I am asking you to publicly state that Kansas State will not schedule Penn State University in any sport as long as the football program continues.  If they wont shut it down, we must shut them out.

What happened at Penn State was not an accident.  It was not an aberration.  It was not a horrible mistake.  It was the result of a deliberate decision.  A decision by the “leadership” of that University to choose to protect their football program instead of children.  This was not a mistake of judgment.  It was a well thought out plan to deny, deceive and cover up in order to ensure the football program could succeed.  As such, their actions cannot be allowed succeed in protecting the football program from harm.

It is unfortunate that I even have to ask this.  In a perfect world, the new “leaders” at Penn State would have already closed their football program.  In a perfect word, the NCAA would have already barred them from competition.  But like the “men” who decided to trade child rape for football wins, both seem to be more concerned with protecting football than doing the right thing.

I believe Kansas State is better than those who would actually weigh the pros and cons of closing down football in this situation.  I believe that if the same thing occurred at Kansas State there would be no question of what the right thing to do was.  I also believe that Kansas State has the proper transparency and checks in place that this could never occur at Kansas State.  Those policies of transparency and checks are not an accident, they are leadership.  Now I am asking you to lead again.

State publicly that Kansas State University will not schedule Penn State in any sport as long as the football program remains unpunished.  Request the Big 12 Conference follow your lead and do the same.  If they wont shut it down, we must shut them out.


Lieutenant Colonel, US Army
Political Science, 1994

I encourage all of you to write your university ADs and ask them to do the same.  Encourage them to take a stand since it is clear no one at Penn State or the NCAA will.  Maybe if they do it will shame leaders at one or both to step up.  Maybe it will give those who might be hiding dark secrets elsewhere the courage to step forward.

From 1977 to 1999 Jerry Sandusky was one of the top Defensive Coordinators in football - pro or college - and yet after he was forced to retire NOT ONE school or pro team offered him a job.  Unless you believe in blind luck, "the word" was out on Sandusky and lots of ADs knew not to hire him.  Now those ADs need to do the right thing and take some responsibility by taking a stand.  

If they wont shut it down, we must shut them out.

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  •  Tip Jar (8+ / 0-)

    It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

    by ksuwildkat on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 08:24:59 PM PDT

  •  Talk about throwing the baby out (1+ / 0-)
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    with the bathwater. I have refrained from commenting on this matter in ANY way, but I have a question for you.  When this was going on in the Catholic Church, how many bishops did you ask to resign? Did you ask the Pope to abdicate.

    No, I have no sympathy for people at the top of Penn State who allowed any of this to happen.  But you KNOW that Pennsylvania has a governor who would like nothing better than to find a pretext to get rid of a lot of the university, just not the parts that made money.

    Direct your anger to the people who oversee Penn State.

    -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 08:41:23 PM PDT

    •  Yeah, where is your letter demanding KSU not (1+ / 0-)
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      Dave in Northridge

      schedule Notre Dame, Gonzaga, St Marys CA, Loyola Marymount, loyola of Chicago, DePaul, Marquette, Xavier (0h) U of Detroit, loyola of baltimore, Georgetown, St. Johns, Holy Cross, Boston College, and I'm sure I've forgotten several other D-I catholic schools.

      WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

      by IARXPHD on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 08:51:54 PM PDT

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      •  False equivalence (1+ / 0-)
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        What you proposing would be the same as closing down Islamic studies departments because of Islamic terrorism.  Or Japanese language departments because of Japanese whaling.

        All large institutions have problems.  We judge them on how they act in the face of those.

        Penn State made an active decision to not only do nothing about a child abuser but to actively prevent action against him even after he was no longer an employee.  They took active steps to enable while at the same time taking steps to prevent implementation of controls that might have stopped this.  They turned the institution into a tool to support child rape.  

        It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

        by ksuwildkat on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 09:04:30 PM PDT

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    •  Actually.... (1+ / 0-)
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      Im not Catholic but I have said essentially the same thing about covering abuse in the Episcopal Church that I am a member of.  The case that I know of personally the Bishop responsible for "covering and moving" the abusive Priest was removed and stripped of all title/benefits.

      I have advocated for the removal of military commanders who cover for sexual predators and criminal charges against both.

      More to the point, I dont believe that Penn State or the NCAA will shut down Penn State Football.  In the absence of their leadership on this, I want my own institution to refuse to condone their lack of action.  Penn State can continue doing what ever they want but I hope Kansas State says "we do not approve or condone and therefore will not play."

      Call it a boycott.  Non-violent action.  What ever.  But dont just sit and say "what could we do?"

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 08:55:41 PM PDT

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      •  Not the point...Catholic church is waaaaay (0+ / 0-)

        worse than Penn St. And their universities are complicit.

        WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

        by IARXPHD on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 09:00:32 PM PDT

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      •  KSU skeletons just aren't public (1+ / 0-)
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        Hate to be the one to tell you this but something similar probably has happened or is happening at KSU.  Penn State is the symptom not the problem. Money and its corrupting influence is the real issue and KSU

        out of the 99 public schools in the Division I Football Bowl Subdivision whose records were open to review by The File, Kansas State ended the 2010-11 fiscal year with the most net income -- about $23 million
        •  Actually they are VERY public (1+ / 0-)
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          We went through something similar to the JoePa contract thing a few years ago when the AD and football coach worked out a side deal that paid him for years after he was terminated.  THe AD and President were asked to leave and the university went to court against the old coach.  We lost and had to pay.  After that the new AD and President put in strict controls along with absolute transparency on budget matters.  When you do that, alumnus give more.  Turns out people like to know how their money is spent.

          Besides transparency, K-State has always been pretty tight fisted with its money.  Bill Snyder is one of the lowest paid coaches in the Big 12 making less than half what Mack Brown at UT makes despite winning more.  Because of his stature within the University, all of the other coaches pay is lower.  Its not that no one can make more than he does, its that if its good enough for Coach Snyder, it should be good enough for any other coach too.  

          Finally, K-State has a long history of fan support.  Many schools lose money on Bowl games every year because they cant sell their ticket allotments.  Last year K-State had sold all 17,500 tickets BEFORE they knew what game they were going to be invited to.  Same thing happened with NCAA tournament tickets.

          AD Currie has this strange notion that his job is to spend less than he takes in and put away money for the lean times.  He would probably make an excellent Governor/Congressman/Senator.  For now, he is an excellent AD and I hope he stays at KSU.

          It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

          by ksuwildkat on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:23:53 PM PDT

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          •  how long (0+ / 0-)

            was there football program shut down?

            •  ??? (0+ / 0-)

              For what?  Paying too much for a coach who sucked?  He and the AD may have been sneaky but they broke no law.  And because of their sneakiness, the University learned they had to be more careful and put in more controls to guard against unethical behavior.  Some have opined that those constraints contributed to our previous Basketball Coach departing for what would seem to be a step down job.  If paying $2 million to a sneaky Coach was the cost of a wake up call that keeps us out of a mess like PSU, Arkansas, Ohio State, Baylor, etc than it was money well spent.  

              It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

              by ksuwildkat on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 11:06:53 PM PDT

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        •  Just what is it you are trying to say? (0+ / 0-)
          out of the 99 public schools in the Division I Football Bowl Subdivision whose records were open to review by The File, Kansas State ended the 2010-11 fiscal year with the most net income -- about $23 million
          Did you even link to the article? KSU is about as transparent as anyone could want. Currie is clearly doing some good money management.

          Is being 23 million in the black automatically a sign of corruption? Are you saying that any university sports program in the black must be corrupt?

          Does that mean the ones in the red are not?

          Yup, KSU '75 Sociology. Sociology is about how humans interact in societies. I went on to a BSN and used the soc with that a lot. This is about the really sick, obsessive fetish the US has with competitive sports. PSU is a prime example. The football players may have been innocent of Sandusky's crimes and the cover up. JoePa protected them from any punishments or sanctions, to hell with what they did - like beating up a bunch of other students, one to unconsciousness. What ever the # of complaints against PSU FB players for sexual assault, date rape, etc there are hidden somewhere, how many times more were there that were not reported? No, more than that. You think any female on that campus who was assaulted by a PSU FB player felt safe to report it?

          How about Rene Portland? Fired after 27 years as the very successful PSU women's bball coach in 2007 for kicking a highly talented player off the team, because she was erroneously convinced that Jennifer Harris was a lesbian.

          What I have been advocating is starting in K -12, changing the focus in PE from competitive sports to healthy personal fitness exercise. The Naperville IL HS started one of those 20 years ago. The results are better than they even dreamed. It could certainly be continued in higher ed.

          Aside from higher fitness levels, obesity rate is 3%, the Naperville schools and others that adopted the program saw decreases in bullying and violence, and improvements in individual and school scholastic achievements. Because as John Ratey MD explains in Spark: The Revolutionary New Science of Exercise and the Brain, there is all kinds of new scientific evidence of how important regular physical fitness exercising is to brain function.

          Some of us are trying to convince the sports addicted to realize, this system does far more harm than any good it does is worth. The same good could be achieved in different ways. Sociology and the other humanities are very aware that changing humans, especially in institutions or large groups, is damn difficult. Those who want to protect this counter productive system devoted to power and money will probably succeed.  As long as you keep voting Dem and don't start giving the 1 % additional support with GOP votes, I can deal with losing this battle.

          "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

          by Ginny in CO on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 11:56:23 PM PDT

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  •  I guess you missed this... (1+ / 0-)
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    STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) -- Penn State said Tuesday it will respond within days to the NCAA's demand for information as the governing body decides whether the university should face penalties - including a possible shutdown of its storied football program - in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.
    Penn State President Rodney Erickson said he doesn't want to ''jump to conclusions'' about possible sanctions after the head of the NCAA declared the so-called death penalty has not been ruled out.

    WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

    by IARXPHD on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 08:52:29 PM PDT

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      Ginny in CO

      I said at the beginning, I am a huge College Football fan.

      The NCAA is not stupid and they are not going to do anything to cripple one of the "Big 6" (now Big 5 with the destruction of the Big East) conferences.

      Lets say the NCAA decides to shut down PSU.  Now the Big 10 needs another school.  Who do they grab?  What University wants to be the one that "replaced" Penn "Child Molester" State?

      First it has to be an AAU school.  The Big 10 is all about the AAU.  Of the schools that play D-1 Football the following are "available" and in the AAU:

      Duke University
      Georgia Institute of Technology
      Iowa State University
      Rice University
      Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey
      Stanford University
      Texas A&M University
      Tulane University
      The University of Arizona
      University at Buffalo, The State University of New York
      University of California, Berkeley
      University of California, Los Angeles
      University of Colorado at Boulder
      University of Florida
      The University of Kansas
      University of Maryland, College Park
      University of Missouri-Columbia
      The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
      University of Oregon
      University of Pittsburgh
      University of Southern California
      The University of Texas at Austin
      University of Virginia
      University of Washington
      Vanderbilt University

      OK, now you have to get the geography right so eliminate everything South of Illinois and West of Lincoln Nebraska

      Iowa State University
      Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey
      University at Buffalo, The State University of New York
      The University of Kansas
      University of Maryland, College Park
      University of Missouri-Columbia
      University of Pittsburgh
      University of Virginia

      Iowa is not about to let Iowa State in.  Plus you are only adding about 500K TV sets who dont already watch Iowa games

      Rutgers has TV markets and HATES PSU but they bring almost nothing to the football table.

      Buffalo recently lost its head coach to Kansas.  Nuff said.

      Kansas has basketball and not much else.

      Maryland would probably jump at the chance but their football program is a wreck and not getting any better.

      Mizzu has got to be kicking themselves.  They BEGGED the Big 10 for an invite but got turned down.  Now they are deep in the hole paying Big 12 exit fees and cant afford yet another move.

      Pitt has too much pride to be the "second choice" PA school and is perfectly happy to move to the softer football land of the ACC.

      UVA is the last and probably best choice.  Might even make sense.  Lots of TVs and a respectable football program.

      And of course there is ND but the optics of "the" catholic school replacing "the" child sex abuse school are just too much.

      So now the ACC needs a quality replacement.  Maybe they grab UCONN and kill off the Big East once and for all.  More likely FSU gets spooked and jumps to the Big 12 taking Clemson with it and suddenly the ACC is on the ropes and Pitt, Maryland, Duke and UNC start begging for invites somewhere, anywhere.

      No, the NCAA will never act.  I honestly hope I am wrong, but I just dont see it.

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 09:34:35 PM PDT

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      •  Here is a serious question (1+ / 0-)
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        If your commanding officer was found guilty of a serious crime. Say raping a subordinate. And you had no knowledge of or any association with the crime. Should you be court martialed because he was your commanding officer?

        •  No knowledge? (1+ / 0-)
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          None at all?  No.  But units that fall into disrepute are dissolved.    As an example, the 11th Infantry BDE was dissolved after Vietnam.  It was a unit out of the 11th that committed the Mai Lai massacre.  A number of units who "ran" in the Korean War were also disbanded and will never be reactivated.  

          On the other hand, say the Commander, XO, S3 and Sergeant Major were all part of a conspiracy.  The ENTIRE unit would be picked apart and scattered, the unit colors cased, never to be reactivated.  Every Officer might as well submit his resignation because he is not going to be promoted.  Same with most of the Senior NCOs.  I know this in fact, not theory.  The unit that replaced mine in Afghanistan was just taken apart in this way because of failings in the top 3.  Their stupidity ruined the careers of 40+ people.  

          It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

          by ksuwildkat on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:38:03 PM PDT

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  •  Besides, losing KSU is no big threat to PSU. NT (0+ / 0-)

    WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

    by IARXPHD on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 08:56:26 PM PDT

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    the University of Iowa demanding Iowa not schedule Kansas, Kansas St, or Wichita St. since Kansas is hotbed of anti-intellectual activities.

    WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

    by IARXPHD on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 08:58:11 PM PDT

    •  Good idea to write that letter, and it would be in (0+ / 0-)

      keeping with the idea expressed in the original post.  Although other major collegiate sports programs would be very blunt tools to use for social justice, you never know when the pebble you kick starts an avalanche.  The real question here may be how does one express oneself, for very personal reasons of mental health, at the insanity and inhumanity that seems to be more and more accepted as public policy these days.  Mean is seemingly the new "cool" for so many actors in the public square.    

    •  Funny you mentioned that (1+ / 0-)
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      Fred Phelps protested at my graduation from KSU.  Apparently we were not "conservative" enough.  

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:05:38 PM PDT

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  •  I was going to write a letter to the AD of my (1+ / 0-)
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    alma mater, but then I realized that - just like Kansas State University - the University of Idaho Vandals doesn't actually engage in many - if any - sporting events against Penn State that the suspension of which would really send any sort of meaningful message...

    I have a few Nittany Lion friends (how they found their way out west is a mystery to address another day) who can grow tiresome over their fandom of their team, but I can't for the life of me understand why an entire football program should be shut down because the moral failings of the leaders unrelated (or, at best, tangentially related) to the actual operations of the team.  I get the outrage because I'm outraged, too, but do we shut down the Anthropology program at a university because the Dean of the department had reason to suspect that one of his underlings was engaging in inappropriate and probably criminal sexual behavior with students?  

    When we start talking about invoking the "Death Penalty" for the Penn State football program over this, I begin to become a bit confused about the intent.  While Sandusky was a football coach, the entire hierarchy of the athletic program at Penn State was involved and his crimes relate to his 'fame' as a long-time assistant and not to misbehavior related to the team itself.  Why not terminate the entire intercollegiate athletic program?  After all, the University president has resigned in disgrace over this; the Athletic Director has resigned in disgrace; Joe Paterno resigned in disgrace (his legacy blighted for as far as a long eye can see) and died: Sandusky is going to jail for the rest of his natural life.  Help me out and explain what further penance those who have stepped up to clean up this mess - and the "student atheletes" who are attending a football factory Division IA school (Big 12 schools with their own NCAA issues fall into that category,by the way) and had nothing to do with Sandusky's crimes - need to serve...

    "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    by Jack K on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 09:26:17 PM PDT

    •  Because Football was the reason (1+ / 0-)
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      If you read the report - and it is shocking in detail in parts - it is very clear that the SOLE reason for covering this up, for allowing it to continue, was to protect the football program.  Even in the face of clear evidence that children were being raped, the first question answered was "how do we protect football."  That cannot stand.

      Think about the message it would send.  Pay players (god forbid!) and you get shut down.  Rape children and you get.......crickets?

      The University of San Francisco shut down its basketball program for two years for far less.  Baylor effectively shut down its basketball program when the coach tried to cover up a murder.  In both cases you had individuals acting alone for very short periods of time.  Penn State is in a different zip code.

      The most powerful people in the university acted TOGETHER over a period of at least 13 years to cover up an ongoing crime.  Watergate didnt last that long.  13 years at least!  For over 4700 days those four men got up in the morning and had a choice - protect children or football.  EVERY DAY the answer was football.  By not punishing what they sought to protect, you will reinforce that they made the "right" decision.

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:03:23 PM PDT

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      •  Both of your examples go to my main point, which (0+ / 0-)

        I may not have sufficiently articulated...

        USF shut down it's basketball program because a loss of control of player behavior. Baylor didn't shut its program down at all but tried to cut back a bit on basketball scholarships to avoid the NCAA sanctions that came anyway because of players being out of control and the coach perversely playing into that to try to save his own neck.  There is nothing related to the PSU football program other than misbehaviors and failures of the 'adults' who were supposed to be running the program...

        I don't give a hoot about the Penn State program, but I believe that crimes were committed by people, and those people should be prosecuted for committing those crimes.  Insofar as those crimes were committed in connection to the football program (not to protect the football itself, but to protect those who were leading the program), I don't see the sense of punishing everybody else or what exact message such punishment will send.  The new coaching staff, the new university president, and the new AD aren't being recruited from the student body or faculty of the university, so they won't have more than a casual connection with what went on when the eventual decision is made to bring the program back...

        Personally, I don't think that any alumnus of any BCS conference university should become too invested in this issue.  The rest of us already think you're all football factories who sweep all kinds of stuff under the rug...

        ...and now, off to bed, perchance to sleep...

        "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

        by Jack K on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:37:55 PM PDT

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  •  Don't kid yourself wildcat (1+ / 0-)
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    While I don't disagree with your opinion about Penn St, you should realize had this happened at somewhere other than PSU 98% or more of their fans would have felt their school would have handled it differently just like you do about your school.  Everyone makes the mistake of thinking it could never happen to them.  In fact, who do you think is the single most powerful person in all of Manhattan?  Bill Snyder by a country mile.

    Now before you get your knickers in a wad, I don't think he would have done what Paterno did.  But don't kid youself about the equal power Snyder has compared to Paterno.  They even named the stadium after him. And that type of power mixed with blind loyalty and reverence is what leads to potential trouble.

    •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

      I have no doubt that Coach Snyder is by far the most powerful voice in Manhattan just like Coach Osborne is in Lincoln.  But I think both learned from some of the issues with player discipline in the last days of the Big 8 and early Big 12.  To this day I believe Coach Osborne truly was trying to show Lawrence Phillips a different path in life - one he choose not to take.  Maybe he stood by him too long but I have been guilty of doing the same with "problem" soldiers.  its like gambling where you think "just one more roll hand and I will win it all back."  THe player issues at KSU didnt get much press outside of Manhattan but they were there.  Chad May got away with things that Coach Snyder would never tolerate now just as Lawrence Phillips would not be able to set foot in Memorial Stadium these days.

      But I think that only highlights the difference with what happened at PSU.  It got WORSE as it went on.  Player discipline issues got worse.  Lack of transparency got worse.  They learned lessons but they were not good ones!  The stuff that went on at OU under Barry Switzer could never happen today.  But Penn State progressed form not being a problem to being a huge problem and until the STATE put and end to it, they saw nothing wrong with it!  Everyone knew and was OK with it.  That is a problem that can only be fixed by shutting it down.

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:54:46 PM PDT

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  •  I don't think PSU is in the big 12. (0+ / 0-)

    I could be wrong, but they don't play each other this year. There was a reshuffling recently. Current:

    Baylor University    Waco, Texas
    (126,697)    1845    Private    15,195    1996    Bears    Judge / Bruiser    16    3
    Iowa State University    Ames, Iowa
    (59,042)    1858    Public    29,887[9]    1996    Cyclones    Cy the Cardinal    16    19
    University of Kansas    Lawrence, Kansas
    (88,727)    1865    Public    30,004[10]    1996    Jayhawks    Big Jay / Baby Jay / Centennial Jay    16    12
    Kansas State University    Manhattan, Kansas
    (52,281)    1863    Public    23,588[11]    1996    Wildcats    Willie the Wildcat    14    0
    University of Oklahoma    Norman, Oklahoma
    (113,273)    1890    Public    29,721    1996    Sooners    Sooner Schooner / Boomer and Sooner    19    26
    Oklahoma State University    Stillwater, Oklahoma
    (46,048)    1890    Public    23,307    1996    Cowboys    Pistol Pete / Bullet    16    50
    University of Texas    Austin, Texas
    (820,611)    1883    Public    51,195[12]    1996    Longhorns    Bevo / Hook 'em    18    48
    Texas Christian University    Fort Worth, Texas
    (758,738)    1873    Private    9,142    2012    Horned Frogs    Super Frog    18    22
    Texas Tech University    Lubbock, Texas
    (233,740)    1923    Public    32,327[13]    1996    Red Raiders    Masked Rider / Raider Red    16    1
    West Virginia University    Morgantown, West Virginia
    (30,293)    1867    Public    29,306    2012    Mountaineers    The Mountaineer    17    19

    Lo que separa la civilizacion de la anarquia son solo siete comidas.

    by psilocynic on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:29:50 PM PDT

  •  I am sorry, but no one (0+ / 0-)

    can clean up college big money sport unless it is just shut down.

    Warmest regards,


    I would rather die from the acute effects of a broken heart than from the chronic effects of an empty heart. Copyright, Dr. David W. Smith, 2011

    by Translator on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 11:04:37 PM PDT

  •  Don't be so sure the NCAA won't act. (0+ / 0-)

    Please see this comment thread

    And please note the contact info provided there.

  •  I think ALL bigtime college sports should be ended (0+ / 0-)

    Cut the number of scholarships to 25% of their current level. Cap coaches pay. Cap expenditures. Max the losses at $5 million for the AD and work within a budget. The Ivies do it.

    Raise admission standards for athletes, etc.

    Don't lid yourself about KSU, it has long had a shady reputation because of Snyder recruiting kids that other schools wouldn't touch.

    End it all, I say.

    There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

    by upstate NY on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 07:27:49 AM PDT

    •  What are you talking about? (0+ / 0-)

      In all of his time at KSU Coach Snyder has never been accused of recruiting players that "others wouldn't touch" because of discipline.  Lots of players ended up with Coach Snyder because other teams thought they were not good enough - like Kevin Lockett, Darren Sproles, Terence Newman and Jordy Nelson.  Might have heard of Jordy "Super Bowl MVP" Nelson who wlaked on at KSU.

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 09:18:16 AM PDT

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