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I'm understandably ecstatic to see that at least one Wisconsin Republican elected official is hoping to follow in Florida's Tea-laden footsteps once again. State Senator Mary Lazich put out a clarion call of a press release on Tuesday for a purge of the state's voter rolls of "noncitizen resident aliens" via a cross check of the Homeland Security's Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) database for determining governmental benefit eligibility. Lazich's rationale for such a brazen maneuver:

“After recent incidents, many have justifiably questioned Wisconsin’s election administration.  Checking voter rolls for non-citizens is a simple way to restore faith in the process.  I can’t imagine why anyone would argue against this common-sense plan.”
Ahh, yes...those pesky "recent incidents." She must be referring to a continuance of the fear mongering and completely unsubstantiated and disproved allegations of "voter fraud" bandied about by RNC Chairman and Wisconsin native Reince Priebus and the Fitzwalkerstanis in the months before and after the recall elections.  After all, there’s no way that recently sworn-in Democratic Sen. John Lehman could have possibly defeated incumbent Republican Van Wanggaard on June 5th (reclaiming a Democratic majority in the State Senate in the process) without an overwhelming plague of “voter fraud” in the urban heart of that 23rd Senate District, the City of Racine, right??  No matter who tells the Republican "leadership" that these bullshit claims are baseless and detrimental to the electoral process, the Republicans simply will not be deterred.  Following a month-long investigation into Republican allegations of shenanigans, the Racine County Sheriff's Department and District Attorney determined that nothing resembling criminal activity or "voter fraud" had taken place in Racine. In response to a one-page letter from Assembly Republicans "concerned" with the state of our state's elections, Wisconsin Government Accountability Board Director and General Counsel Kevin Kennedy responded with a five-page letter and issued this blistering and unambiguous message:
“Speaking frankly on behalf of our agency and local election officials, absent direct evidence, I believe continued unsubstantiated allegations of voter fraud tend to unnecessarily undermine the confidence that voters have in election officials and the results of the election.  I know we agree that elections should be open and transparent and subject to scrutiny and analysis. I hope that, as an elected official, you would also agree that there is little benefit in promoting unsupported allegations questioning the credibility of the election process and the work of local clerks and election inspectors.”
 This week, Dane County Circuit Court Judge David Flanagan issued another blow to those wishing to suppress the vote in Wisconsin when he ruled that Wisconsin's excessively and unnecessarily burdensome Voter ID law shall be permanently barred from implementation due to its unconstitutionality.  As part of his final decision, he wrote:
"Since 2004, voter fraud investigations have been undertaken by the Milwaukee Police Department, by the Mayor of Milwaukee and by the Wisconsin Department of Justice, working with various county prosecutors working through the Attorney General's Election Fraud Task Force.  None of these efforts have produced a prosecution of a voter fraud violation that would have been prevented by the voter ID requirements of Act 23."
In spite of these rebuttals, the cries of "VOTER FRAUD!!" miraculously just keep on boomeranging around the right-wing echo chamber.  Bolstering and propagating that fear mongering by casting doubt surrounding the voting eligibility of Wisconsin's minority populations?? Beautiful. Talk about some serious gall. One needs to have a shameful lack of integrity or respect for the voting process and the citizens of Wisconsin in order to keep parroting this ginned-up meme of the "many" Teatotaling extremists.  But don't dare question Sen. Lazich's motives or you will be singled out for scorn, as State Representative JoCasta Zamarripa (D-Milwaukee) found out after issuing a press release in response to Lazich's.  As a Capital Times editorial noted:
Rep. Zamarripa highlighted concerns about Lazich when she made a credible claim that Lazich's real motivation might be to "purge lawful immigrant voters from Wisconsin poll lists.”

Lazich's response was to suggest that her colleague is a liar: “Whether it’s ignorance or intentional misrepresentation, Representative Zamarripa’s comment is absurd," read the Lazich statement.

Lazich's only likely regret is that Florida beat Wisconsin to the punch again in the extremist race to the bottom.  First came Florida's pioneering "Stand Your Ground" law, along with its inherent rise in homicides, that was so unnecessarily extreme as to become an NRA-approved ALEC model bill. Then last fall, Wisconsin's legislature passed and Scott Walker signed into law our state's own "Castle Doctine" version of "Shoot first, ask questions never" vigilantism that contributed to the March 3rd murder of 20 year-old Bo Morrison and the subsequent dearth of accountability for his shooter. Now maybe Wisconsin can follow in Governor Rick Scott's stead by targeting minority and immigrant voters!! It seems that Wisconsin is even trying to copycat and one-up Florida's oppressive heat and humidity this summer. I can't wait to find out what is next in the game of follow the Teabagger...draconian, unconstitutional and frivolous utilization of  drug testing for our state's welfare recipients, perhaps? At least Governer Scott Walker was a trendsetter when he defiantly rejected Wisconsin's share of federal stimulus money for constructing high-speed rail months before Rick Scott's February 2011 decision to do the same thing. Suck it, Florida!!

I wonder...how can one still claim the legitimacy of Wisconsin's electorate and our "election administration" have been "justifiably questioned" when no legitimate evidence has been presented to prove that the "questions" are in any way justifiable?? The right-wing smear campaign both implicitly and explicitly calling out the rampant (read: non-existent) "voter fraud" we are supposedly inundated with in Wisconsin, has gone on for far too long.  The lies need to stop. Then again, when the tactics of Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris and Rick Scott are your inspiration for a solution to a non-existent problem, 21st century electoral integrity is probably not your desired aim...

Originally posted to Wisco Wherls on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 05:39 PM PDT.

Also republished by Badger State Progressive and Community Spotlight.

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  •  Lazich's other car is a broom. n/t (11+ / 0-)

    I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night, alive as you and me.

    by plankbob on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 06:11:54 PM PDT

    •  I thought I saw something flying over the Cap! n/t (5+ / 0-)
      •  I worked last summer to try to (20+ / 0-)

        recall her sorry ass, but most of her district is in the Ring of Fire (very Republican areas that surround Milwaukee).  Her dull brained. greedy suburbanite constituents just LOVE her because she's "pro life" (i.e. in utero, but fuck you when you leave there).

        Like my own shiny new TeaBagging State Senator Leah Vukmir, she's dumber than a box of rocks and has a personality that only the GOP could love.

        She's pissed, like her Republican pals, because a SECOND judge just issued another permanent injunction against their voter suppression law - declaring it unconstitional (our State Constitution).  Well boo-friggin-hoo for them.  They're not satisfied having gerrymandered every district in the state, now they're going to whine because Democrats can vote.

        There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

        by Puddytat on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 10:21:38 PM PDT

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        •  Puddy, I'v heard stories that the Recall effort.. (7+ / 0-)

          may have been successful but that certain parties of interest put the kibosh on the collection process and kept the signatures from being submitted to the GAB.  Any truth to that rumor?

          On the bright side for the Repugs, the 28 day residency requirement is still in place and our state IDs will be made in California, creating yet another hoop to jump through to obtain ID (just in case the current permanent injunction is overruled by the SCOW.)

          It's no coincidence that Lazich came out with this statement a day after Rick Scott blew on the attack dog whistle saying "Hey...if the Feds ok'd this for us, they'll probably ok it for the rest of you states currently run by assholes turning this country into a fascist cesspool!!"

          •  No truth to the rumor (6+ / 0-)

            I worked on both the recalls for Grothman and Lazich, which failed to get enough signatures, as well as Alberta Darlings, which was successful in getting her on the ballot.

            Both of those recalls worked until the final moment - calling out every volunteer they could get for the last weekends of the recall effort for a last ditch door to door canvass.  

            The aim was to get 25% more signatures than the minimum required in order to overcome challenges.  Had there been sufficient signatures, they would have been sugmitted.

            There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

            by Puddytat on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 11:32:41 PM PDT

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            •  Thanks for the clarification (6+ / 0-)

              There's a lot of shit that has been thrown around over the last year and since you referenced it, I knew you'd be a good source to confirm or refute.  Do you have any idea how close the groups came to the minimum threshhold for either Glenny or Lazich?

              Speaking of Grothman, did you happen to catch his latest ridiculous suggestion today that requiring Madison landlords to provide voter registration forms to their tenants was akin to arrogantly taking away their freedoms and forcing them them leap unnecessary hurdles?  Oh yea...and apparently it's also an unconstitutional intimidation whereby tenants will feel forced to not only register, but vote...probably for a bunch of crazy, pinko tree hugging lefties at that!!

              •  I heard about Grothman throwing a fit... (6+ / 0-)

                ...over the mandate for Madison landlords to help their tenants register to vote.

                I'll say this over and over again...Lori Compas, a wedding photographer, managed to force Big Fitz to run in a recall election in order for him to keep his job, and the Wisconsin GOP is so afraid that Compas might run for Governor in 2014, that they have gone absolutely insane.

                "We don't have government anymore, we have an auction." -Lori Compas

                by DownstateDemocrat on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 03:31:53 AM PDT

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              •  Grothman has it in for Madison in general (6+ / 0-)

                and students in particular. I would expect no less of him.

                Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02, remorseless supporter of Walker's recall. Pocan for Congress and Baldwin for Senate!

                by fearlessfred14 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 07:09:32 AM PDT

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                •  Well, he is a strange one... (1+ / 0-)
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                  In addition to calling the protesters in the Occupation "slobs," he had this nice description to add last year:

                  "They're loud, they'll give you the finger, and they yell at you, but I really think deep down inside they're just mostly college kids having fun, just like they're having fun sleeping with their girlfriends on air mattresses. That's the guts of that crowd."

                  From a man in his 50's who still lives with his Mom and thinks single parent families are a cause of child abuse.

              •  Answers (2+ / 0-)
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                Grothmans was a thousand or so from the minimum so I hear and Lazich a few hundred.

                Grothman is just a miserable, mean old man who finds himself loving the spotlight so much (like far too many national RWNJs such as Backman and West) that he deliberately says extremist stuff for the attention he gets and the praise of his party leaders.  Too many of his bamboozled constituents love him for his racist, sexist, and poor-bashing that they don't notice how he's got his hands in their pockets taking their money.

                There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

                by Puddytat on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 11:29:59 AM PDT

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              •  Released numbers (1+ / 0-)
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                18,987 for Lazich (target: 20,973).

                15,000 for Grothman (target: 20,061).

                Fake candidates nominated by the GOP for the recalls: 6 out of 7. Fake signatures on the recall petitions: 4 out of 1,860,283.

                by GeoffT on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 01:00:11 PM PDT

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  •  What kind of names are Lazich and Priebus? (6+ / 0-)

    Take your hoods off and show us your papers!

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 06:22:18 PM PDT

    •  As a good friend of mine said last year... (3+ / 0-)
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      while speaking during the public hearing regarding the Voter Suppression, err ID bill,  based on the location of Wisconsin on the map, we should be seeking out and targeting "ineligible voters" that looked like the white members of the committee.  

      "Are you from Canada??  Are YOU from Canada??"

  •  Ugh! (13+ / 0-)

    The Republican voter suppression techniques are undermining my confidence in our election system.

    "They are an entire cruise ship of evil clowns, these current Republicans"...concernedamerican

    by Giles Goat Boy on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 06:30:01 PM PDT

  •  The GAB via Kevin Kennedy has (8+ / 0-)

    already sent a letter to the Republicans in the Senate and essentially reprimanded them for their wild-eyed accusations of voter fraud in the Lehman/Waanggard election.  And now comes Lazich, clearly not going to take being warned she's behaving like a loon, yapping about "illegal aliens" in a very rude manner to Rep. Zamarippa.  She joins Roberta Darling in competing for Most Rude Current Republican State Senator.  (Through the Whealer Report I happened on a letter Darling sent to Kathleen Vinehout within the last month or so and Darling was utterly rude and obnoxious.  So much for Snot Walker and his "let's all eat steak together and get along" fakery.)

    Two people who have kept me sane lately:  Dane County Judges David Flanagan and Richard Niess.  For their rulings on the Voter ID Law, I can't thank them enough.  And I also can't thank them enough for the fact that every time they rule correctly, Republican legislators in this state get a few steps closer to being totally batsh** insane.  

    We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

    by 3goldens on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 07:04:12 PM PDT

    •  The only disappointing thing about the rulings... (7+ / 0-)

      Is that they're not truly permanent until whichever side is ruled against stops appealing.  Don't be surprised to see these Voter ID cases end up in front of SCOTUS.

      That Beer and Brat Fest at the Governer's Mansion was only a month ago and already seems like a year has passed.  You're right...you sure don't hear too much of the flowery rhetoric about that renewed level of "respect" and cooperation.  The reality on the ground was that it never existed in the first place but at least the Repugs stopped bullshitting about it.

  •  I can see why they messed with AD 7/8 (5+ / 0-)

    They probably did not want to have a Hispanic Assemblywoman to call them out on this BS.

    Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02, remorseless supporter of Walker's recall. Pocan for Congress and Baldwin for Senate!

    by fearlessfred14 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 10:08:41 PM PDT

    •  Very possible. On a larger scale... (4+ / 0-)

      It's probably that they didn't want the Latino community in Milwaukee ever to have much of a say in determining the outcome of any election...ever again.  Good ol' Divide and Conquer, gerrymandering-style!!

      It'll be interesting to see if Mark Miller is eventually able to get his hands on all of the paperwork and documentation of the redistricting farce now that the Dems are back in control of the Senate.  I have a sneaky suspicion that the law offices of Mycrook, Worst and Fraudulence won't be as forthcoming and accommodating as they were in their immediately prior representation of the "majority party."

    •  Right on, Fred! (0+ / 0-)

      The Fitzgeralds had one intention when it came to redrawing: Maximize GOP power in Wisconsin every single way possible.

      If you're looking for another example of how ugly looking the Fitzmander is, just look at some of the bizarre gerrymandering of state senate districts around Fort Atkinson in Jefferson County, which, as a municipality, is roughly D+4 or so, but a lot of the areas surrounding Fort Atkinson are heavily Republican...Andy Jorgensen was probably the single biggest target of the Fitzmander.

      "We don't have government anymore, we have an auction." -Lori Compas

      by DownstateDemocrat on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:17:25 AM PDT

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  •  liars, cowards & traitors (10+ / 0-)

    Americans DIED for the RIGHT to vote, both overseas in uniform and in this country fighting flagrant injustice. Those suppressing the votes with these phony claims are pissing on the graves of the patriots who shed their blood for our freedom. They can whine about the constitutution but it is the extreme right wing who are enemies of our freedom, enemies of the constitution and enemies of America. They are TRAITORS who deserve a traitor's justice.

    •  Surely enough, some right wing blowhard... (6+ / 0-)

      Tweeted about this diary, as you can see up above, claiming that I am blowing up the fact that a Senator wants to eliminate non-citizen voters and simply creating more "noise."  Yes, that is clearly what I am upset about.  Not the fact that SAVE is not intended for determining voting eligibility.  Not that any attempt to merely eliminate ineligible voters from the rolls via purge is likely to capture plenty of ELIGIBLE voters in its wake, most of whom will fit into anti-Republican demographics.  Not the fact that the Republicans won't stop yapping about "voter fraud" in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.  Not the fact that our state's Republican elected officials have completely been bought by the ALEC agenda.  

      This is the same bullshit as the Voter ID laws sweeping the country.  Of course I don't think that people should be voting twice in an election or pretending to be someone they're not at the voting booth.  Of course I don't think that non-citizens should be allowed to vote.  But are these Republican-initiated, wide-ranging purges and burdensome mandates really about eliminating "voter fraud"??  Of course not.  1)Make up problem 2)Endlessly blather about said problem 3)Come up with "solution" to eliminate voting opposition 4)Implement "solution" that inevitably eliminates countless numbers of eligible voters in the purge's path of destruction.  Tried and true.

  •  Thank you Wisco (4+ / 0-)

    Excellent backgrounding on this story, especially with peptabysmal's contribution on the thousands of touch-screen machines acquired just before the election.

    I may be cross-country but really rely on you, Puddytat, Giles GB, noise of rain, badscience and all the great crew to have the real facts.

  •  It seems like WI Repubs... (3+ / 0-)

    ...have gone absolutely crazy since some wedding photographer from Fort Atkinson named Lori Compas managed to force Scott Fitzgerald, the Republican leader of the Wisconsin State Senate to run in a recall election in order for him to keep his job. Fitzgerald won the battle against Compas but lost the war to Miller, King, Shilling, and Lehman.

    Trust me, the LAST thing Wisconsin Republicans want to see is Lori Compas running for Governor in 2014. If Compas runs for governor and can build up a statewide organization, it's game over for Walker and Company.

    "We don't have government anymore, we have an auction." -Lori Compas

    by DownstateDemocrat on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 03:20:19 AM PDT

    •  Nice to see Zamarripa call Lazich out... (2+ / 0-)

      ...on her ridiculous BS. Lazich appears to be trying out for a spot aboard Michele Bachmann's crazy caravan.

      "We don't have government anymore, we have an auction." -Lori Compas

      by DownstateDemocrat on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 03:23:39 AM PDT

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      •  Here's the funny part (1+ / 0-)
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        Back in 2004 she was a target of a Club for Growth purge for voting for Dale Schultz as Majority Leader over Scott Fitzgerald, and for being insufficiently conservative. This was the same year a certain slob beat Mary Panzer in SD20 for being pro-life.

        Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02, remorseless supporter of Walker's recall. Pocan for Congress and Baldwin for Senate!

        by fearlessfred14 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:19:22 AM PDT

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        •  That failed CfG Purge attempt against Lazich... (0+ / 0-)

          ...pulled her to the far-right. I wonder if CfG is going to go after Schultz in 2014 if he decides to run for re-election as a Republican. I'm thinking Schultz will retire come 2014, possibly putting control of the Wisconsin State Senate in the hands of SD-17 voters.

          "We don't have government anymore, we have an auction." -Lori Compas

          by DownstateDemocrat on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:37:05 AM PDT

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          •  Are you referring... (0+ / 0-)

            to CRG, as in Citizens for a Responsible Government?  Remember, they formed an exploratory committee into recalling Schultzie, at the same time that they filed to recall Jauch.  What a pathetically miserable effort before Ms. Shirl LaBarre "suspended" their campaign against Jauch.  Personally, seeing as neither attempt made any sense (considering they were the only two who actually reached across the aisle to create a true "compromise" bill,) I believe that the Schultz exploratory committee was merely a ruse to make it look like they were actually non-partisan.  Coulda fooled me!

            •  I'm referring to the Club for Growth (0+ / 0-)

              which tried to purge Lazich (and did purge Panzer) in 2004. The thing about Schultz is that his district is nothing like SD 20 or SD 28, both of which are red exurban districts. SD17 is rural and light blue, and full of moderates who would come to Schultz' defense in a primary.

              Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02, remorseless supporter of Walker's recall. Pocan for Congress and Baldwin for Senate!

              by fearlessfred14 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 04:25:42 PM PDT

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      •  Hopefully Lazich takes the Kleefisch duo with! n/t (0+ / 0-)
    •  I'll agree with you that Lori was a great story... (3+ / 0-)

      and I will never forget how awesome the vibe was when she spoke in front of the crowd of over 60,000 on March 10, 2012.  She ran a refreshing campaign, kicked Fitzbagger's ass in their debate and put on him on the defensive throughout, while bringing out the worst condescension and smarminess that Fitz had to offer.

      But I have no idea what makes you think that Lori Compas will be running for Governor.  She said after the election that although she had surpassed her campaign's target goal of votes they thought she'd need, she didn't see herself running again.  She basically said that a race was a lot of time to dedicate of one's life and that if you probably weren't going to win, it wasn't worth going through all that time and effort again.  That doesn't sound like an individual interested in taking on the monumental challenge of going after Walker, who will already have two victories in four years in his back pocket, a ridiculous amount of national support and the money to go with it.  As your own quote from Lori at the bottom says, "We don't have government anymore, we have an auction. "  That is what turned her off the most and that will only be worse in two years and especially against Scooter.

      •  Nobody seems interested in taking on Walker (0+ / 0-)

        ...that's what's given me the impression that Compas might have to return to the campaign trail to take on Walker simply to make sure there's a Democrat running against Walker in 2014. It takes two years to run a gubernatorial campaign these days.

        The parable in this situation is Paul Wellstone. Wellstone, a college professor, won a U.S. Senate seat in Minnesota as a Democrat in 1990 after no well-known Minnesota Democrat was even remotely interested in taking on Republican incumbent Rudy Boschwitz. I have a feeling that no well-known Wisconsin Democrat is willing to run against Walker, forcing Compas to run against Walker as a last-resort candidate.

        Keep in mind that, in the SD-13 recall election, Compas originally had zero intention whatsoever of actually running against Big Fitz, but, because the WDP had all sorts of trouble recruiting someone else to run against Big Fitz, Compas herself ran against Big Fitz, but lost. She made Big Fitz look like an absolute jerk every step of the way, though.

        I'll remember Compas's Reclaim Wisconsin speech as the greatest speech that I've ever heard. While Compas has no interest whatsoever in giving the keynote speech at this year's Democratic National Convention, if the keynote speech at the DNC this year is even half as good as the Compas speech, I'll be absolutely delighted.

        "We don't have government anymore, we have an auction." -Lori Compas

        by DownstateDemocrat on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 10:32:55 AM PDT

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  •  I'll post this golden oldie as a reminder that (9+ / 0-)

    yesterday's Job Report suggests that June under Walker shows more shedding of both public and private jobs. It isn't working - this is obvious to those 47% of us who voted against the regime. The question is, how to build a movement so that 47% grows by 10%?

    16atkinson-bluebridge

  •  ...wait I'm confused. (0+ / 0-)

    Why are the republicans saying there was voter fraud in the election they won... ? I mean, it seems kinda strange right?

    Already, I've a kingdom in my prospects, a land to rule. What to ask for? Perhaps a frozen scone...

    by kamrom on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 06:57:23 AM PDT

    •  They didn't win in SD21 (1+ / 0-)
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      Their Senator from Racine, Van Wanggaard, got recalled by 800 votes, losing them the Senate majority. So there were voters bussed in from Chicago and Detroit and Mexic... I mean illegals voted (the City of Racine is about 50% white, 25% black, and 25% Hispanic. Guess which two they had issue with).

      Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02, remorseless supporter of Walker's recall. Pocan for Congress and Baldwin for Senate!

      by fearlessfred14 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 07:15:21 AM PDT

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      •  JACKPOT! (1+ / 0-)
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        Vos and Little Fitz were race-baiting with all of the "voter fraud" accusations in Racine in the SD-21 recall. That was their underlying intent by using the "voter fraud" dog whistle.

        "We don't have government anymore, we have an auction." -Lori Compas

        by DownstateDemocrat on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:25:10 AM PDT

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        •  Priebus' national claims didn't hurt, either (1+ / 0-)
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          He was going on national "news" shows last December remarking that Wisconsin was riddled with voter fraud, even though Atty. Gen. J.B. Van Hollen's own investigative team had uncovered it was a non-issue.  Then he came out weeks before the election and said they recognized that Repugs in Wisconsin always had to win by an extra 2 to 3 percent, in order to overcome widespread "voter fraud."  Yep, he really claimed that between 25-60,000 votes in every statewide election in Wisconsin can be attributed to "voter fraud."  Unsubstantiated claims such as that need to be investigated, themselves.  IF you repeatedly report individuals for crimes that didn't take place, you are eventually charged with one, correct?

    •  I apologize if it was unclear in my diary (1+ / 0-)
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      I thought I had made it very clear that the Democratic Lehman had defeated the Republican Wanggaard, and included a link referencing that it had re-taken the Senate for the Dems.  But obviously I didn't do a good enough clob of clarifying that, so my bad.

      But you unintentionally brought up a great point...they never mentioned any instances of voter fraud occurring in ANY OTHER LOCATIONS or in ANY OTHER RACES.  So bascially, the playbook says that if you win, the dishonest and fraudulent claims won't ever be dragged out, let alone shouted from the rooftops.  I mean, they don't exist in the first place, so why make a big fuss about non-existent things when you win?!

  •  Bad for Wisconsin (0+ / 0-)

    Goddammit all, anyway! My home state, Wisconsin, escapes the headlines for a couple of days, except for drought news, and THIS nonsense bubbles to the top of the Interwebs. Fortunately, many of my friends already live here, so they know; and the exiles from other states understand.

    Civil Rights Freedom Riders died for voting rights in 1964. People who are too lazy, or too uninvolved, or just too stupid to exercise their right to vote deserve everything bad that comes down. (insert unintelligible ranting here)

    •  Just another example showing how critical... (3+ / 0-)

      it is that we figure out how to get back to an electorate closer to the 3 million that turned out for the '08 presidential election.  As big of a turnout as the 2.5 million was for the gubernatorial recall, that's still a lot of potential left-leaning voters left on the table.  Not to mention that there's over 4 million eligible voters in Wisconsin.  Those aren't a helluva lot of rich Conservatives sitting the elections out, either.

      •  There's a lot of apolitical people... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...who are eligible to vote but aren't registered to vote. There's a lot of people in Wisconsin we can sway into becoming Democrats, and just imagine how many apolitical people that we can sway into the Democratic Party in the other 49 states and DC...

        Cue RWNJ outrage in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

        "We don't have government anymore, we have an auction." -Lori Compas

        by DownstateDemocrat on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 11:12:04 AM PDT

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        •  If they're going to be swayed... (0+ / 0-)

          I'd rather not appeal to their untapped love for the Democratic Party.  We need to appeal to their sense of humanity, social justice and the importance of voting in their own best interests.  If those candidates who fit that mold just so happen to be Democrats, or Greens or Independents, I really don't care.  All I know is that the Republicans most certainly don't appeal to those who care about their fellow human beings and the Earth we call home.

          When I was canvassing for the Recall, I met a lot of "apolitical" individuals, some of whom I was able to convince to vote for the very first time.  I feel guilty that the first candidate they had the privilege of voting for was as weak and uninspiring of a candidate as Tom Barrett, but it was sell him, or see them sit it out or fall prey to the ads conning them into the Walker machine's spin.  So many people confuse politics and government...federal and local.  They say, "I don't worry about politics," while ignoring the fact that voting, government and elected officials influence virtually every aspect of their daily lives, even if they consider politicking "dirty."  Tough to encourage the apathetic to go vote when the right wing echo chamber is working so hard to turn those same individuals off from the idea of voting.

          •  Right WW-along w/the 'I don't do politics' crowd (2+ / 0-)
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            Ignorant by choice and would rather watch Dancing with the Stars etc...don't want to be bothered. They tend to believe anything they see/hear on tvnewspaperadioyahoo, especially if it is 'newsy'.

            The real frustrating part of this is when I attempt to debunk it, their general response is 'They couldn't put it on tvnewspaperadioyahoo if it weren't true-there are laws...'

            Seeing Grothmans name there is an image of him I have that is burned in my brain. Last spring we were in Madison during a PP demonstration, the legislature was in session. We went to observe, I noticed one legislator in particular. Thinking 'no way is he really doing that' checked w/the person next to me, they verified Grothman was picking his nose-second knuckle !!during an open legislative session. Eeeewww

            Tip never shake Grothmans hand  cracks me up when he meets w/other repukes :-D

      •  Fallout boy-howdy (0+ / 0-)

        Look, it's probably a given that all Team Obama has to work with are the less-than ten percent or a bit more of the electorate that is either not already in his camp, or the others who are incontrovertably in the other camp.

        Televison is not helping. I use my DVR device to record what little TV I watch, in order to miss all the annoying political ads. I have to believe the others are at least this smart. What to do?

        My cell-phone has names attached to ALL of the numbers of people or services with whom I care to speak. I ignore any unidentified caller. Again, the others are probably similarly smart enough to do this. What to do?

        Door-to-door, and face-to-face is how this will have to happen. Are your neighbors registered to vote? Have you asked? Are they will to talk about politics? Have you asked? Might they want to donate some time? Have you asked?

        The moneied classes already understand this, they only bought all the TV-time because they could; and if they're talking on the TV, we cannot.

        If you're outside working in your yard or maybe sweeping your front walk, and you see a neighbor, talk to them. This what we have, and we have to use it!

  •  So about that 2010 election (3+ / 0-)

    These Voter ID requirements were not in place in 2010. Which is the wave election that put these Republicans in power. So they are claiming that their current mandate is the result of a fraudulent electoral process.

    Did I get that right?

    Was this ever about logic?

    Use every man after his desert, and who should 'scape whipping?

    by UncleDavid on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:52:01 AM PDT

    •  JACKPOT! (1+ / 0-)
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      "We don't have government anymore, we have an auction." -Lori Compas

      by DownstateDemocrat on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 11:07:54 AM PDT

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    •  Logic need not apply... (1+ / 0-)
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      when it comes to fear mongering and factual evidence.  Remember, voter fraud always takes place in their book..they just whine about it when there's a big election coming up where large numbers of minorities and young people may be involved.  Even then, they only bitch about it after the fact if they lose...and even then, they never present anything even closely resembling "evidence" that could hold up in a court of law.  Van Wanggaard (who lost to John Lehman in SD 21 in Racine) said he didn't challenge the Recount results from the Recall because his team didn't have time to compile all the evidence of voter fraud needed to make their case.  Much like Walker's campaign didn't challenge a single signature submitted during the Recall petition drive...why?  You guessed it...Not enough time to review them all and make their case about the rampant irregularities and fraud.  There were only four fradulent signatures out of over 930,000. Do you really think someone who hated walker would sign their name as Mick E. Mouse??  LOL!  Does anyone think if they had evidence of fraud they wouldn't be issuing press releases by the boat load and screaming in front of every news camera they could find?

      If facts mattered at all, Mitt Romney would have been shamed out of the Presidential race months ago and we'd be looking at a Santorum Love-fest at the Repug National Convention (pun intended!)  Just as long as you pay no attention to the "Boys and Girls Crying 'VOTER FRAUD' " while we cast our votes through a highly questionable electronic scanner, the game can continue.

  •  Answering your final question (1+ / 0-)
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    > ... how can one still claim the legitimacy of Wisconsin's electorate and our "election administration" have been "justifiably questioned" when no legitimate evidence has been presented to prove that the "questions" are in any way justifiable??

    The answer is: Republicans do it by living in a willfully alternate reality where what they prefer to believe is more important than what actually is going on. This was a hallmark of the G. W. Bush administration (see Ron Suskind's book, "The One Percent Solution").

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