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Does anyone care much anymore? About a war without end?  A war that always needs just a little more time – and just a few billion dollars more?

Congressman Jim McGovern wrote a diary on Wednesday that received so little attention about the war that it deeply saddened me.

Are we so far down the rabbit hole that when a congressman comes here to diary about the war that we are just not interested in hearing about efforts to end this war, the voices who will speak up on congress?

Dragging this thing out for over another year (and more) is going to get a lot more good people killed. Not that anyone cares much anymore, kos posted in a diary in February.
If you want to write a lonely diary, well, the Afghanistan war topic will accomplish your goal. You will most likely receive few views, comments, recs or tips.

You can of course write about the latest utterance from the Romney campaign and gain great attention over that latest outrageous remark.

How about we talk about an outrageous war? Can you believe 11 years and counting?
Can you believe how few voices in congress have the courage to stand up?

How about we give our longest war the time and attention that this endless war deserves, to work towards a end goal, a timely exit, as promised?

Does anyone care much anymore?

Why don't we talk about what we can do to convince those in congress who never find a shortage of votes for the funding of this war some needed attention?

Why not actively support those in congress who are courageous enough to stand up and speak out!

As the congressman posted in his dairy:

15 members of Congress spoke for 90 minutes, on July 18th, on the FY 2013 Defense Appropriations Act in pursuit of one goal: End the war in Afghanistan. Bring our troops home.


McGovern says.....

Neither the Pentagon nor the Administration has publicly laid out post-2014 plans, but they are clearly leaving open the possibility of a significant military presence.

This is the reality we face as we open debate on this bill.  

I’m not convinced that there is any light at the end of the tunnel.
I am not convinced that this war is coming to an end.
And I’m not convinced we’re anywhere close to an end.  And it’s the fault of Congress.  We approve the money – and we remain silent – year after year.

We need to stop. We aren’t supporting our troops. We’re committing them to suffer life-long trauma from too many deployments, for too long a time, over too many years.

For a war without end.  For a war that always needs just a little more time – and just a few billion dollars more.

Enough is enough.  I urge my colleagues to support amendments over the next 3 days to reduce the funding for this war, bring it to an end, and honor the sacrifice of our troops by bringing them and our tax dollars back home.

The 2013 "Defense" Appropriations Bill would spend $519 billion for the "non-war" Pentagon budget plus $88.4 billion more on the war in Afghanistan.

The bill would allocate 57% of all federal discretionary spending to the military, at a time when some want to cut spending on food stamps, claiming there is not enough money.

Originally posted to allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:26 AM PDT.

Also republished by DKos Military Veterans.

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  •  Tip Jar (16+ / 0-)

    Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

    by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:26:45 AM PDT

  •  When Silence is Betrayal (3+ / 0-)

    That time has come to us......

    Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

    by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:33:09 AM PDT

  •  This war and our war machine as a whole (7+ / 0-)

    represent a moral failure of staggering proportions. That so few care is another. Thanks for the diary allenjo. Kudos.

    Wear Your Love Like Heaven ~ Donovan

    by One Pissed Off Liberal on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:37:51 AM PDT

    •  Thanks, OPOL. That so few care about (3+ / 0-)

      11 years of an endless war going nowhere, but care so deeply of an outrageous remark of Romney.

      Will we ever have an antiwar movement in this country again?

      Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

      by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:57:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It's a good question. (1+ / 0-)
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        allenjo

        I don't know. We seem to have arrived at 1984 where we've always been at war with East Asia. If we can't turn it around, we're headed straight off the cliff.

        Wear Your Love Like Heaven ~ Donovan

        by One Pissed Off Liberal on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:52:33 AM PDT

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        •  Maintaing military dominance........ (2+ / 0-)

          Obama offers the below, and Romney offers worst -and congress never short on votes for war funding.

          If this nation continues along this path it will be our destruction.

           

          Shortly after his election as president, Barack Obama, in a speech announcing several members of his new cabinet, stated as fact that "we have to maintain the strongest military on the planet." A few weeks later, on March 12, 2009, in a speech at the National Defense University in Washington DC, the president again insisted, "Now make no mistake, this nation will maintain our military dominance. We will have the strongest armed forces in the history of the world." And in a commencement address to the cadets of the U.S. Naval Academy on May 22nd, Obama stressed that "we will maintain America's military dominance and keep you the finest fighting force the world has ever seen."
          What he failed to note is that the United States no longer has the capability to remain a global hegemon, and to pretend otherwise is to invite disaster.
          According to a growing consensus of economists and political scientists around the world, it is impossible for the United States to continue in that role while emerging into full view as a crippled economic power. No such configuration has ever persisted in the history of imperialism.

          Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

          by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 10:03:20 AM PDT

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  •  Why, indeed? (0+ / 0-)

    Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

    by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:37:55 AM PDT

  •  enough (5+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    allenjo, Sunspots, freesia, brae70, brasilaaron

    Stop funding the war machine.
    Dear President Obama: end this obscene war.

    •  "Our Time Here is Limited and Precious" (3+ / 0-)
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      chipmo, Sunspots, Actbriniel
      President Obama: "Our Time Here is Limited and Precious."
      That is a diary title that I did not yet click on.

      How great it would be if Obama was talking about Afghanistan!!!!!

      Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

      by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:54:58 AM PDT

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  •  Where are your legs that used to run before you (1+ / 0-)
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    Sunspots

    left to carry a gun?

    Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

    by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:51:09 AM PDT

  •  The people who said the Iraq War wouldn't end.... (0+ / 0-)

    kind of blew the credibility of the "President Obama won't really end the war" argument.

    Just like in Iraq, the President is ending the war.  He's doing it more slowly than you would like, but he's still ending it.

    Frankly, the situation in Iraq is a great deal better than anyone really had any right to expect.  The people who said there was no point in ending it slowly instead of abruptly, because the place was just going to go to hell anyway, the government would collapse, and the civil war would start up again, have been proven wrong.  It's not Rainbow Puppy Land, but it's not 2006 Iraq, either.

    Given that, I'm inclined to give the President, and not the "Faster, please" crowd, the benefit of the doubt about the best way to end it.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:06:12 AM PDT

    •  I am for President Obama 90% of the time (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      allenjo, brasilaaron, divineorder

      However, this falls under the 10% that I do not agree with him or it appears with you.

      If you are being intellectually honest here you would concede his actions or lack there of in Afghanistan are politically motivated. And if you give up that point then you would have to see that it is corporate motivated also.

      I, unlike you, would rather error on the side of the people not killing others for financial gain.

      "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." - President Merkin Muffley

      by Farkletoo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:18:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  90,000 troops, over 113,000 private contractors (3+ / 0-)
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      Farkletoo, brasilaaron, divineorder

      still there in last report to congress.

      There just is no comparison to be made about Iraq versus Afghanistan, as countries. Afghanistan being a tribal nation and never modernized as Iraq was.

      There are few successes to be reported out of Afghanistan.

      How many presidents are you willing to give the benefit of the doubt about the best way to end it?

      How much further into our second decade of this war will we go?

      Will we still be asking in 2022 when this war will end?

      Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

      by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:19:16 AM PDT

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      •  And fewer the next, and fewer more in the 1 after. (0+ / 0-)

        Reporting the numbers at one time doesn't actually tell us anything about the trend.  No one has stated that the war is over already, have they?

        Were there a lot of successes to report from Iraq when the withdrawal began?

        How many Presidents?  Not many.  I can only come up with one - the one who just successfully ended a war under similar circumstances.

        It will probably go 2-3 more years further.

        No, we will almost certainly not be asking in 2022 if this war will end.  It will probably have ended 7+ years before that.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 12:56:00 PM PDT

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    •  Wow, Joe (2+ / 0-)
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      allenjo, brasilaaron
      the situation in Iraq is a great deal better than anyone really had any right to expect.
      You should check out the news.

      Is Obama ending the war? Maybe, kinda sorta, after launching a disastrous escalation.

      •  Maybe, kinda sorta (0+ / 0-)

        Around 30,000 troops or so in Afghanistan when Obama took office.

        So we are 4 years into an Obama war and counting........

        Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

        by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:46:45 AM PDT

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      •  Nice dishonest edit there, Mitt. (0+ / 0-)

        Now let's look at what I actually wrote.

        Frankly, the situation in Iraq is a great deal better than anyone really had any right to expect.  The people who said there was no point in ending it slowly instead of abruptly, because the place was just going to go to hell anyway, the government would collapse, and the civil war would start up again, have been proven wrong.  It's not Rainbow Puppy Land, but it's not 2006 Iraq, either.
        People who have real arguments to make don't have to stoop to such blatant hackery.

        But you, david - that's all you ever have.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 12:57:17 PM PDT

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  •  I and divineorder concur (2+ / 0-)
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    allenjo, divineorder

    Excuse me for speaking for divineorder here,

    but look at comments to the Congressman's diary.

    Congress is complicit in maintaining, continuing the war in Afghanistan

    The reality, is the site has moved on and no longer cares as much as they do about pressing issues like Mitt faux diaries and  who said "you people"

    Proof? As you state, just look at comments, recs and views anytime someone attempts to raise the issue.

    Sad

    Somebody said Party! I got excited. I love Parties! Especially Parties with exclamation marks! Now I'm sad because there's not a Party! h/t AnnetteK ;-)

    by EdMass on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:10:03 AM PDT

    •  And another lonely diary about the Afghan war (2+ / 0-)
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      EdMass, divineorder

      quickly dies. ;)

      I don't know why I continue to care.

      It is one thing if I and others here write about the war to little attention.

      But for a congressman who comes here to diary about the war and speaking out against it and to be almost totally ignored on this site...........

      As kos asked in his old diary, Does anyone care anymore?

      The reality, is the site has moved on and no longer cares as much as they do about pressing issues like Mitt faux diaries and  who said "you people"

      Proof? As you state, just look at comments, recs and views anytime someone attempts to raise the issue.

      Sad

      Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

      by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:25:33 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I care. Many of us do. (1+ / 0-)
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    Actbriniel

    the withdrawal will not be easy so I think it should just be..JUST LEAVE.  In Vietnam when they drew down the size of troops, it left the ones there vunerable.  

    They should all ..every single one be on their way home.
    Not one boot on the ground.  That won't happen though.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:10:44 AM PDT

    •  They're an "ally" now (1+ / 0-)
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      Vetwife

      Let's wait with baited breath for them to leave their sorry country and come to our defense when called....oh, that might mean they need to actually use the $$ will be sending them forever to sustain their "ally" status.

      Somebody said Party! I got excited. I love Parties! Especially Parties with exclamation marks! Now I'm sad because there's not a Party! h/t AnnetteK ;-)

      by EdMass on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:14:13 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •   the benefit for America with our newest ally? (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        divineorder

        Yes, our new ally. What will be the benefit for America with our newest ally? And what will it cost us?

        Two in three Americans believe war in Afghanistan not worth fighting

        WASHINGTON, Jul 17, 2012 (GlobeNewswire via COMTEX) --

        The United States granted Afghanistan special status as an official non-NATO ally this past weekend, adding Afghanistan to a select group that includes Israel, Japan, and Pakistan. -

        results from the recent Chicago Council Survey find that nearly seven in ten Americans think the war in Afghanistan has not been worth the cost.

        More than twice as many Americans (67%) say that the war in Afghanistan has not been worth fighting than say that it has been (32%). Majorities across the political spectrum agree that the costs outweigh the benefits, though Republicans are more likely to say the war has been worth it (41%) and Independents are least likely to say so (22%). This finding is on par with an identically worded question in an April 2012 ABC News/Washington Post poll and a striking reversal from the ABC February 2007 poll when a majority (57%) thought that the fighting in Afghanistan was worth the costs.

        After more than a decade, a majority think Afghan war has not made U.S. safer

        http://www.marketwatch.com/...

        Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

        by allenjo on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:17:25 AM PDT

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  •  One in three homeless Americans are Veterans (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    divineorder

    Homeless Veterans in America

    One in three homeless Americans are Veterans.

    11 years of war and a country that does not care for those we send off to foreign lands to fight in this nation's wars is this nation's shame, along with the shame of fighting all those wars for reasons that are elusive.

    Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

    by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:56:48 AM PDT

  •  no, nobody cares, and that's by design (0+ / 0-)

    They've wanted a disengaged populace and an alienated military since Vietnam.  If nobody cares, then nobody will protest or vote Democrat ... especially if the soldiers don't want to come home because their life is the military.

    I think that all most people wanted was OBL dead and when that didn't happen promptly, all that was left was the neocons' Risk game and we lost interest.  The war was overhyped from the beginning, and was only ever intended as a prologue to Iraq, itself a prologue to Iran.  Iraq distracted everyone, then soured people on the whole enterprise.  It's been more than 10 years since 9/11 and the botched reconstruction has been an anticlimax all on its own.

    Then the economy collapsed.

    To those who say the New Deal didn't work: WWII was also government spending

    by Visceral on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 10:15:53 AM PDT

  •  $171,380,636.00 contract awarded to Russia (1+ / 0-)
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    divineorder

    On a quiet day of military contracts awarded, seems that maybe I misspoke of a jobs program, as work on this $171,380,636.00 contract is to be preformed in RUSSIA!

               Rosoboronexport FGUP, Moscow, Russia, was awarded a $171,380,636 firm-fixed-price contract.  The award will provide for the modification of an existing contract to procure 10 additional Mi-17 helicopters.  Work will be performed in Russia, with an estimated completion date of Dec. 31, 2016.  One bid was solicited, with one bid received.  The U.S. Army Contracting Command, Redstone Arsenal, Ala., is the contracting activity (W58RGZ-11-C-0072).

                General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc., Poway, Calif., was awarded a $19,073,406 cost-plus-fixed-fee contract.  The award will provide for the modification of an existing contract to procure contractor logistics support.  Work will be performed in Poway, with an estimated completion date of July 15, 2013.  One bid was solicited, with one bid received. The U.S. Army Contracting Command, Redstone Arsenal, Ala., is the contracting activity (W58RGZ-11-C-0001).

                Rolls Royce, Indianapolis, Ind., was awarded a $14,647,304 firm-fixed-price contract. The award will provide for the modification of an existing contract to procure 28 engines.  Work will be performed in Indianapolis, with an estimated completion date of Oct. 31, 2012.  One bid was solicited, with one bid received.  The U.S. Army Contracting Command, Redstone Arsenal, Ala., is the contracting activity (W58RGZ-09-D-0190).

                Mascon Inc., Sacramento, Calif., was awarded a $14,614,900 firm-fixed-price contract.  The award will provide for the construction of a new public safety center facility at Defense Depot Joaquin Complex at Tracy, Calif.  Work will be performed in Tracy, with an estimated completion date of March 24, 2014.  The bid was solicited through the Internet, with five bids received.  The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Sacramento, Calif., is the contracting activity (W91238-12-C-0021).  

                Marine Terminals Corp., San Francisco, Calif., was awarded a $9,142,865 firm-fixed-price contract.  The award will provide for the modification of an existing contract to procure stevedoring and related terminal services.  Work will be performed in Concord, Calif., with an estimated completion date of Aug. 6, 2013.  The bid was solicited through the Internet, with four bids received.  The U.S. Army Contracting Command, Alexandria, Va., is the contracting activity (W81GYE-09-D-0009).

                Raytheon Company, Marlborough, Mass., was awarded a $7,209,568 cost-plus-fixed-fee contract.  The award will provide for the development services in support of new radars and air-traffic navigation systems.  Work will be performed in Marlborough, with an estimated completion date of Sept. 30, 2014.  The bid was solicited through the Internet, with one bid received.  The U.S. Army Contracting Command, Redstone Arsenal, Ala., is the contracting activity (W31P4Q-11-C-0177).

    NAVY

                Huntington Ingalls Incorporated, Newport News, Va., is being awarded a $43,418,660 modification to a previously awarded contract (N00024-09-C-2116) for the procurement of additional long lead time material for the future John F. Kennedy (CVN 79).  The contract will provide all services and material in preparation for construction of CVN 79.  This includes necessary research studies; engineering; design; related development efforts; advanced planning; advanced procurement for detailed design and procurement of long lead material; advance construction; life cycle support; logistics data and other data to support the anticipated fiscal 2013 ship detail design and construction.  Work will be performed in Newport News, Va., and is expected to be completed by October 2015.  Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year.  The Naval Sea Systems Command, Washington Navy Yard, Washington, D.C. is the contracting activity.

                Stresau Laboratory Inc., Spooner, Wis., is being awarded a $28,521,306 firm-fixed-price, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract for the MK 18 MOD 0 Electric Blasting Cap.  This cap is used to initiate high explosives when a source of electricity such as a blasting machine or battery is available.  Work will be performed in Spooner, Wis., and is expected to be completed by July 2017.  Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year.  This contract was competitively awarded via the Federal Business Opportunities website, with one offer received.  The Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane, Ind., is the contracting activity (N00164-12-D-JS88).

                The Boeing Co., Seattle, Wash., is being awarded an $11,655,663 modification to a previously awarded firm-fixed-price contract (N00019-09-C-0022) for the Block 9.2 software upgrade of the Operational Flight Trainer, the Weapons Tactics Trainer, and the Part Task Trainer in support of the Low Rate Initial Production I, P-8A Multi-Mission Maritime aircraft.  This modification also includes the procurement of a Mission System Desktop Trainer.  Work will be performed in St. Louis, Mo., (85 percent), Seattle, Wash., (12 percent), and Anaheim, Calif., (3 percent), and is expected to be completed in May 2013.  Contract funds in the amount of $9,897, 365 will expire at the end of the current fiscal year.  The Naval Air System Command, Patuxent River, Md., is the contracting activity.

                GE Aviation Systems L.L.C., Grand Rapids, Mich., is being awarded a $8,956,586 firm-fixed-price, indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity contract for initial reference units, and associated transit cases, lab asset, test, teardown, evaluation and standard repair, major repairs, and engineering support in support of U.S. Marine Corps Ground Based Operation Surveillance Systems.  Work will be performed in Grand Rapids, Mich., and is expected to be completed by July 2017.  Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year.  This contract was competitively procured via Federal Business Opportunities, with two offers received.  Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane, Ind., is the contracting activity (N00164-12-D-JT40).

                Northrop Grumman Systems Corp., Herndon, Va., is being awarded an $8,033,930 indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract for provision of Data Link interoperability test tools and associated engineering services.  Data Link test tools are used for simulation and interoperability test and analysis that will be utilized by Joint and Allied Agencies, U.S. Navy Data Link equipped platforms, and support facilities.  The equipment and engineering services provided under this contract include proprietary single, joint and combined data link interoperability test tool equipment, components, and associated engineering services to include specialized configured equipment, components, spare parts, field engineering, specially tailored training, and equipment centric operational support.  This contract includes options which, if exercised, would bring the cumulative value of this contract to $40,708,422.  This contract combines purchases for the U.S. Navy (60 percent) and foreign customers yet to be identified (40 percent) under the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program.  Work will be performed in San Diego, Calif., and in various locations throughout the world as required by other U.S. services and FMS customers, and is expected to be completed by July 2013.  Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year.  This contract was not competitively procured.  The Naval Sea Systems Command, Washington Navy Yard, D.C., is the contracting activity (N00024-12-D-4201).
     

    http://www.defense.gov/...

    Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

    by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 10:23:06 AM PDT

  •  Obama to withdraw 33,000 troops by summer 2012 (0+ / 0-)

    Obama to withdraw 33,000 troops by summer 2012
    as reported on June 22, 2011

    http://abclocal.go.com/...

    Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

    by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 11:01:22 AM PDT

  •  This will be the end of us (2+ / 0-)
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    brasilaaron, allenjo

    When the history of the US is finally written, it will be the military adventurism began with Vietnam and continued through today that will be our downfall. Slash the military budget in half since 1980, and there's our debt and deficit, paid for in full. We would have been attacked no more often, potentially less.

    "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

    by CFAmick on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 11:22:23 AM PDT

  •  end this war, end the Pentagon's power to dupe us (1+ / 0-)
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    divineorder

    into always getting into new wars.  F them, and F their apologists.  We're not defending sh!t in Afghanistan, we're just killing people.

    •  killing people and making more enemies as we do (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      divineorder

      Why are we still eleven years later still killing people and making more enemies, and why doesn't anyone care anymore?

      I don't know of any latest announcement of troop withdrawals, though a few weeks back, Panetta was there assessing the situation.

      There will be a new general appointed soon, a new ambassador, and a new Afghan president.

      Will the new Afghan president be less corrupt than Karzai?
      Dare we hope?

      Will a new general turn the war around?

      Will a new ambassador have any impact at all?

      Progress would be at least troops down to the 30,000 level of when Obama took office.

      And what are the 113,000 private contractors doing in Afghanistan?

      What are we doing in Afghanistan?

      Does anyone really know?

      Such a small country and yet we have spent literally billions of dollars to train their military and their police. Will they ever be ready enough so that we can leave?

      Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

      by allenjo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 05:47:41 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

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