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Time for another pop quiz, boys and girls. Sharpen those No. 2 pencils, and don't forget to show your work. Here's the question (extra credit for proper spelling in your answer):

You've been on a mission to eliminate women's basic health care, even birth control, because you think that's totally what Jesus and Thomas Jefferson were all about, and besides, only sluts have vaginas. Everyone in America, except the pedophile protection racket known as the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, thinks that's a really stupid idea because everyone in America freakin' loves birth control.

Do you

(a) let it go; or

(b) just keeping beating that dead horse some more in the hopes that 75 percent of Americans have suddenly changed their minds?

If you have even two brain cells to rub together, you've probably figured out the answer is "a." However, for you Republicans:

On Tuesday, [Rep. Denny] Rehberg released his House Appropriations subcommittee's completed work on the labor, health and education budget for the 2013 fiscal year.

Amid the sharp spending cuts in the proposed legislation are some things we've heard before: no money for Planned Parenthood, an end to funding for family planning prescribed for Title X, and a provision to allow employers to deny birth control coverage to women workers under the Affordable Care Act. One increase in spending is included: extra money for abstinence-only "sex education."

That's right, it's the Blunt Amendment 2.0: Revenge of the Sore Losers Who Are Still Really Upset About Lady Parts. (John Crybaby Boehner also promised to carry on the mission of criminalizing lady parts, so it's not like we should be that surprised, but still.)

The Blunt Amendment, you may recall, was the failed attempt by Senate Republicans to write a galaxy-sized loophole into our health care law—sorry, make that our now-Supreme-Court-sanctioned health care law—that would allow employers to decide what kinds of health care their employees should be denied, based on their own completely arbitrary definition of "immoral."

As in, "Sorry, hard-working employee, but I think cancer treatment is immoral, so that won't be covered under our insurance plan."

As in, "Sorry, hard-working employee, but I think prayer, not psychiatry, should be used for your depression, so that won't be covered under our insurance plan."

As in, "Sorry, hard-working employee, but I'm such an idiot that I think preventing a pregnancy is the exact same thing as terminating a pregnancy, so your birth control won't be covered under our insurance plan."

Like all of the other many, many, many attempts by Republicans in Congress to restrict health care for women, this one went over like beef tartare at a vegan potluck. Even lady Republicans in the Senate feigned concern about the bill. (Of course, they still voted for it because they are, like the non-lady members of their party, completely unprincipled. But at least they made some "I'm concerned" statements before throwing their fellow Lady-Americans under the bus.)

Denying "morally objectionable" health care to women through their insurance companies isn't the only eyeroll-worthy provision of Rehberg's bill that somehow creates jobs because that's the only thing Republicans in Congress care about. The old "let's cut off funding to the biggest provider of women's health care in America" was tossed in for good measure too because Republicans never tire of making not factual statements about Planned Parenthood. (What, you mean Planned Parenthood isn't building an $8 billion abortionplex, complete with night clubs and movie theaters? But I read it in The Onion!)

When it comes to trying to defund Planned Parenthood, Republicans are like addicts who need to get themselves to the nearest methadone clinic STAT. They just cannot stop hitting the junk. Michele "Batshit Crazy" Bachmann—whose long history of batshit crazy opposition to health care includes calling upon her fellow batshitters to slit their own wrists in some sort of suicide pact to stop the passage of Obamacare (how'd that work for ya, Michele?)—threatened, in 2011, to shut down the whole government until Planned Parenthood was defunded. (And again, how'd that work for ya, Michele?)

As part of the Republican "We are totally focused on nothing but jobs" agenda, they've tried to redefine rape to close those super-duper rape "loopholes" 13-year-old victims are always exploiting; prohibit government-funded abortion, which is already prohibited, but apparently, we need a "No, Seriously, This Shit's Off Limits For Reals, Yo" law for emphasis; launch a bogus investigation into Planned Parenthood, led by Rep. Cliff Stearns, whose own website boasted that his top priority is "Job Creation Solutions," because auditing decades of financial documents in case maybe there's something there (so far, there isn't) is a terrific "job creation solution" if the problem is "What can Cliff Stearns do to be a real pain in the ass?" In totally insincere fairness to Stearns, he did also say that "defunding Planned Parenthood should be a fiscal and moral priority for Congress, and for the American people," so it's not as if anyone should be surprised that his "Job Creation Solution" was intended for James O'Keefe wannabes who make crappy home movies of their failed "sting" operations of Planned Parenthood.

[Extra credit opportunity, boys and girls: Write a paragraph explaining all the many ways that being a James O'Keefe wannabe is the pretty much the most pathetic thing in the entire universe.]

So. Attacking women's health has consistently been a losing issue for Republicans—especially, it seems, for Mitt Romney when it comes to lady swing voters. Even John "Aw, heck, just get me some broad, any broad, to be on my ticket" McCain said it was time to "respect the right of women to make choices in their lives and make that clear, and get back onto what the American people really care about." And for almost a full minute there, it seemed that Republicans were willing to put down the lady parts and step away slowly.

But, it turns out hating women's health care is one heckuva tough habit to kick, and this week, Republicans fell off the wagon. Hard. So, since they still can't come up with any actual job solutions, and their plan to bring down the Obama administration by holding its members in contempt didn't pan out, they've gone back to beating up on ladies and their health care providers. Sure, it's bad for them, but you know how addicts are—they'll do just about anything for that cheap high, no matter who gets hurt.

Click here to donate to Planned Parenthood. Automatic "A" on your quiz if you do.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:00 AM PDT.

Also republished by Pro Choice, Sluts, and Abortion.

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  •  Thank you so much for banging away on this. (48+ / 0-)

    And doing such a good job of banging too. Do not let them off the hook.

    Does everyone know about the march on August 26 in New York and other cities? I am going to be there with my daughters.

    I used to be Snow White. And then I drifted. - Mae West

    by CherryTheTart on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:13:46 AM PDT

  •  It's a lot easier to Regulate ladies' body parts (25+ / 0-)

    Than  guns.  The NRA is against regulation of one and for regulation of the other.  The GOP marches to the beat of the NRA!

    Dick Cheney said, "Pi$$ on 'em!" And, Ronald Reagan replied, "That's a Great Idea. Let's Call it 'Trickle Down Economics!"

    by NM Ray on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:24:57 AM PDT

  •  Those two brain cells that you mentioned? (12+ / 0-)

    Mine are hurting just trying to understand teh stoopid behind this.

    Like our country doesn't have any REAL issues that need our attention.

    Great article, BTW.

    "What I find curious, is how the elected children of Republican politicians, from George W. Bush to Rand Paul to Ben Quayle and on, always happen to be crueler and dumber than their parents." With thanks to MinistryOfTruth.

    by Taxmancometh on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:31:33 AM PDT

  •  That FunnyOrDie clip: funny/uncomfortable (13+ / 0-)

    Great comedic timing from the women in it, but how scary that this is real, actual Republican politics that's being lampooned.  In 2012.  

  •  The offensive diary comments about the Catholic (4+ / 0-)
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    Church above illustrate not only the bigotry of the post but also show its counter produtive results. It drives away all but co-bigotry believers by its overly general statements. Rabid posters to such diaries essentially become a mutual admiration society and drive away all but their "true believers."

    And, yes, I have been long an advocate for women's equality in the Catholic Church (there is no doctrinal reason against married priests or women priests---just custom), and I find reactionary policies of the Conference of Bishops narrowminded and counterproductive (including their slowness to react to pedophile charges and to their uncalled for attacks on the Christian social welfare work of American nuns) but sneering comments such as generalies above in the diary are disgraceful.

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:35:07 AM PDT

    •  full agreement (1+ / 0-)
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      vote by vote, post by post, this stuff hammers home to Catholics that they are not welcome in the "liberal camp".

      This plays right into the Republican cultura war/wedge issues  startegy and emphasizes their message.

      Stupid, nonsensical, counterproductive. I have no qualms with the diarists stance towards contraception, but this rhetorical drive-by shooting should stop, rather sooner than later.

      •  That's nonsense. (29+ / 0-)

        How does it say Catholics are not welcome? As I understand it, most Catholics are perfectly capable of distinguishing between themselves and the way they practice their faith, and the officials at the top whose archaic edicts are mostly ignored.

        I would suggest that most people here understand that distinction too.

        •  you understand wrong (1+ / 0-)
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          I may (and do) disagree with Church hierarchy about this and that - but it is still MY church and MY bishops. Calling them, falsely and thoughtlessly, a pedophile protection racket is offensive and antagonistic.

          It shows an utter lack of respect, even contempt, towards every Catholic.

          •  Okay, what do you call it? (28+ / 0-)

            When an organization spends hundreds of millions of dollars to cover for, lie about, and protect pedophiles—what do you call that?

            And, again, as I said, I lose zero sleep worrying about whether I've offended pedophiles and their protectors.

            •  then also call it LIBERALS WAR ON BABIES (0+ / 0-)

              and getting the government to pay for their elimination. The Catholic Church is against the war on babies.  It is their teaching in spite of failed individuals.

              •  I don't agree with your definition of a fertilized (6+ / 0-)

                egg being a human being.  Just because you put it in caps doesn't make it a "baby," for an awful lot of God's other beloved children.  In fact, an awful lot of Jews and Christians who follow the same writings you may, don't agree with you.

                Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

                by bkamr on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 11:15:45 AM PDT

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                •  Look 'women's health' is a War on Babies (0+ / 0-)

                  It is about preventing babies from being born.  From conception to the moment before birth.

                  •  That is a highly limited definition (10+ / 0-)

                    First of all, women's health does not automatically equal abortion.  There are a ton of other health issues that women experience - and myriads of reasons that women might want to be on birth control - which prevents conception.

                    Second of all, not everyone agrees with your definition of a fertilized egg as a baby.  Including the law.  I also know of no law that permits abortion right up until "the moment before birth" - unless you're referring to miscarriage extraction which is critical to the life of the mother and absolutely necessary for her health and her future fertility.

                  •  Look? Look at what? I don't see anything to (0+ / 0-)

                    back up your opinion.  While I am not conceding women's right to contraception for the purpose of birth control, the Bishops' aggressive efforts to end the availability of birth control pills is an attack on women's health care.

                    So, You Look, here's some proof of that from the Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development.

                    Endometriosis can affect any menstruating woman, from the time of her first period to menopause, regardless of whether or not she has children, her race or ethnicity, or her socio-economic status.

                    Current estimates place the number of women with endometriosis between 2 percent and 10 percent of women of reproductive age.

                    About 30 percent to 40 percent of women with endometriosis are infertile, making it one of the top three causes of female infertility.

                    One of the most common symptoms of endometriosis is pain, mostly in the abdomen, lower back, and pelvic areas.

                    Having suffered 2-3 days a month of pain as in the kind that puts you in the fetal position from the age of 16 to 20 from endometriosis, I can attest to the pain.  At 20, I got some relief from being put on birth control pills ...
                    Because hormones cause endometriosis to go through a cycle similar to the menstrual cycle, hormones can also be effective in treating the symptoms of endometriosis. In fact, if a woman’s symptoms do not respond to hormone therapy, health care providers may go over their diagnosis of endometriosis again, to make sure she really has the condition.
                    Potential debilitating, chronic, monthly pain for about 4 million American women (age 13-50 @ a 5% rate) is a pretty serious women's health issue.  And, being a condition that is one of the top 3 for infertility makes it not only a women's health issue, but also an issue for the potential babies, as well.  

                    Therefore, the Bishops' attack on the availability of birth control pills IS a very real attack on women's health issues that affect millions of American women.

                    And Look some more, here are more non-contrceptive reasons for the availability of "birth control pills" for women health reasons.  

                    Now, I'll go back to my non-concession of women's right to choose to use birth control pills for contraception alone.  

                    Pregnancy can be a dangerous health condition, and even deadly.  

                    The Amnesty study, titled “Deadly Delivery,” reports that deaths from pregnancy and childbirth in the United States have doubled in the past 20 years—from 6.6 per 100,000 live births in 1987 to 13.3 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2006.

                    That would mean that, of the four million women who give birth each year, two to three women die each day in the U.S. from complications related to pregnancy.

                    And another 1.7 million U.S. women—a third of all women who become pregnant in the United States—experience some kind of pregnancy-related complication that adversely affects their health.

                    my emphasis

                    Just because the Catholic religion chooses to interpret bits and peices of the Bible and their view of "natural law" to mean that their followers are not supposed to use contraception does not mean that they have the right to try to impose their religious views through the force of law on non-Catholics.  Furthermore, I don't agree with the Bishops' definition of life beginning at conception, and even if you take the bits and pieces of the Old Testament that may have to do with this issue, it is far from clear.  In fact, all Jews don't agree with the Bishops' view, and frankly, I think the Jews' really ought to be considered the best authority on the Old Testament, don't you?  

                    Finally, as a Christian, I pay most attention to the Gospels and the reported teachings of Christ, first and foremost as the guide for my faith.  I am fairly certain that if God's #1 issue (or if it was even in the top 5) was abortion or homosexuality or human sexual issues at all, then Jesus would have had at least one parable about it ... aside from the one about not casting real or judgmental stones at others ... don't you think?

                    I'll conclude this very long reply with the teaching from Jesus that speaks to me most clearly.  Matthew 25: 31-46

                    The Sheep and the Goats
                    31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

                    34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

                    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

                    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

                    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

                    44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

                    45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

                    46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. ”

                    These are the loving, social justice things that are my priorities.  You and the Bishops are welcome to practice any religious practices you believe in as they inform and affect your lives, but you/ and or they have no right to attack non-Catholic womens' health care options.

                    Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

                    by bkamr on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:48:59 AM PDT

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                    •  You state very well the pill case for health care (0+ / 0-)

                      The lowering baby birth rate for the nation shows that there  is another use by healthy women which I call the war on babies.

                      •  You've been here a long time, but I don't (0+ / 0-)

                        see much of any worth from you for all that.  Obviously, you aren't into or up to support based debating.  

                        Have a nice day.

                        Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

                        by bkamr on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 07:20:46 AM PDT

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              •  No. (0+ / 0-)

                Stop.  Fine. You got everyone's attention.  We're all writing at you.

                Feel better?   Happy?  

                You are harrumphing.  You are taking umbrage.

                It's always starts with "I am shocked/appalled/wounded  that you (fill in the blank.)

                There is nothing that will make you feel better.  NOTHING.

                You will cavil, and whine and always ask for more vindication.

                Harrumph.

                To bad your sensibilities are shocked.  You'll get over it.  Grownups do.  Because you don't like something doesn't make it affront.  

                What about the discussion about the article?  Can we get off the topic of you and back to it?

            •  I'm with you on this! (12+ / 0-)
              I lose zero sleep worrying about whether I've offended pedophiles and their protectors.
              Excellent quote, BTW!!

              Stand Up! Keep Fighting! Paul Wellstone

              by RuralLiberal on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 10:14:08 AM PDT

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            •  As a recovering Catholic, (12+ / 0-)

              I see no difference between the Catholic Church coverup for pedophile priests and the recent Jerry Sandusky scandal at Penn State.  They are the same.

              "Activism begins with you, Democracy begins with you, get out there, get active! Tag, you're it!" Thom Hartmann

              by glogrrl on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 11:07:21 AM PDT

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          •  Looks, walks, quacks. (11+ / 0-)

            Your hurt feelings aren't part of the equation.

            To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

            by UntimelyRippd on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:58:57 AM PDT

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            •  depends on the equation (1+ / 0-)
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              maybe not mine - but if the liberal camp manages to alienate enough Catholics, there are quite a few equations that can change drastically.

              •  Are you EJ Dionne or something? (15+ / 0-)

                This hand-wringing about Catholics being alienated from liberals is ridiculous and not in any way supported by the polling. Perhaps you are not as up to date on your Church and your bishops, but most of your fellow Catholics have a much bigger problem with the attitudes of your Church than with the attitudes of liberals like me who are appalled by the attitudes of your Church.

                While the bishops were whining and crying about birth control, EJ Dionne wrote column after column warning that Obama and the Democrats risked alienating Catholics unless they surrendered to the demands of the bishops. Except Dionne was completely wrong.

                You may feel alienated by liberals who call bullshit on the Church, but that makes you a minority.

                •  The crux (8+ / 0-)
                  but most of your fellow Catholics have a much bigger problem with the attitudes of your Church than with the attitudes of liberals like me who are appalled by the attitudes of your Church.
                  Well put.
                •  Your anti-Catholic bigotry is very thinly veiled. (1+ / 0-)
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                  I am an agnostic lapsed Catholic, but I am very aware of the long history of Catholic hating in American history. Do you want to reach out to the largest religious denomination in the US (aproximately 25% of voters and growing), or do you want to give vent to your religious prejudices.

                  Mormons, Orthodox Jews, Southern Baptists, and many other religious groups are opposed to abortion and actively working to have it banned, yet you consistently single out one religious group far your snide attacks.

                  Regardless of how much I agree with you on the issues of women's right to control their own bodies, I vehemently disagree with your approach. You can't build much of a coalition by attacking 25% of the electorate.

                  The Catholic vision of a strong social contract, has aligned  very well with the progressive approach to reform on many issues over the past 100 years. Why would you choose to mock a group that has been a strong ally over many decades?

                  You're right about Catholics ignoring much of what Rome and the Bishops teach about sexual morality, but that doesn't mean that these same Catholics will not stand up for their Church if they see it being attacked from outside.

                  You're prejudice, whether you are aware of it or not, is alienating potential allies. That is not smart politics, And there is nothing progressive about bigotry of any sort.

                  Here's my take on it - the revolution will not be blogged, it has to be slogged. - Deoliver47

                  by OIL GUY on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 10:52:29 AM PDT

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                  •  Leaving aside charges of bigotry (7+ / 0-)

                    which I've addressed elsewhere, I'll simply point out that while there is no central authority in Judaism that dictates official positions of the faith, the opposition to reproductive rights is an extremely minority position among Jews. It in no way lines up with the various Christian religions you cite and should not be lumped in with them.

                  •  The majority of my 100% Catholic family is (4+ / 0-)

                    Republican. We're talking hard core, never miss Sundays or Holy Days, volunteer and work around the church, Catholics. They've been Republicans ever since I was little. I grew up in a conservative area.

                    They voted for President Obama in 2008 and they plan to this year. And they're tired of GOP antics generally. About 70% voted for Jerry Brown and for progressive initiatives and candidates.Why? Because the GOP has lurched so far to the right. They didn't get more liberal. The GOP went off a cliff; and apparently, the bishops are willing to go with them, as evidenced by the fact that the bishops are obsessed about sexuality issues and barely mention social justice issues at all. These still matter to a lot of Catholics: the 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants know the stories of how their grandparents suffered. And younger generations have been raised with an increased sense of compassion because their worlds are bigger than ever due to the Internet, globalization, ease of travel, etc.

                    This idea that American Catholics will become instantly defensive and circle the wagons  isn't something I've experienced.

                    Those who react on a kneejerk basis to defend the bishops (whom pretty much every Catholic I know agrees are entirely too political AND out of touch with actual Catholics) are people who were going to vote Republican anyway.

                    © grover


                    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

                    by grover on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 02:51:16 PM PDT

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                  •  Surveys find (0+ / 0-)

                    about 70 million RCC adherents, which is about 20%.  Its numbers are merely holding steady at present- about the same number of additional Hispanic-Americans join as ethnic whites leave.  

                    It's been a brutal emptying and consolidating of RCC parishes here in New England in the past 20 years as Irish-, Italian-, Polish-, French/Canadian-, even Portuguese-American GenXers and and GenYers bail.  Coming soon to parishes near you.

                    Having said that, people who select 'Catholic' as closest religious affiliation look and split just like the country as a whole in pollings.  Assimilation is quite complete.

                    I'm not going to take sides on whether pointing out Catholics in some way is all that objectionable.  What I do think is that when the national cultural majority tips post-1968 in the next 5-10 years, public attitudes will shift about organized religion from the current engagement with it- affirmative or negatory or willfully ignorant- to cool indifference and disengagement.  

                  •  Bigotry? Cry me child-raping river. (0+ / 0-)
                •  *shrug* wait (1+ / 0-)
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                  I've noted in the past that I don't believe this is going to decide this election.

                  But anti-Catholicism is a road a party can't travel forever without serious repercussions.

                  •  Yeah, be all scared of the RCC. (1+ / 0-)
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                    Bullshit.

                    The POPE is peeing his pants over the nuns, for FSM's sake.

                    This is, of course, the difference between republicans and human beings. - Captain Frogbert

                    by glorificus on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 01:44:00 PM PDT

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                  •  Abhoring and denouncing what the Bishops have (5+ / 0-)

                    done and continue to do isn't anti-Catholic.  A rhetorical case can be made that the American Sisters demonstrate true Catholic values and yet the Bishops can't leave them alone.  See the beam in your own eye is good advise to the hierarchy
                    in the Church.  Denouncing the war in Viet Nam and the atrocities committed by American troops wasn't anti-American.  You should only feel personally attacked if you condone the child abuse tolerated by the Bishops

              •  as a non-Catholic what I don't get is why the only (12+ / 0-)

                Things I read about Catholics are what those Bishops are doing against women and the protections they've provided their pedophile Bishops.  I guess I'm looking for your thoughts on how you as practicing Catholics want to create a different impression for the American public, because as it stands I don't have a favorable impression.

                As of 02/22/2012 in Washington State pharmacists can exercise their "religious freedom" by denying women access to Plan B because the judge thinks there aren't any bigots in this state.

                by FlamingoGrrl on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 10:54:40 AM PDT

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                •  I am a lapsed Catholic and haven't (2+ / 0-)
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                  been in the church for more than 25 or 30 years.  I quit going to church because I didn't like the fact that the male priests told me I couldn't decide how many children I would have (no birth control), women could not control their own bodies (anti-abortion--I didn't have one, but sometimes it's necessary for women with medical problems), and women could not become priests.  It is a patriarchal religion that does not treat women like equals...it treats them rather like men's property--you know, chattel.  I do, however, support the nuns who are the ones who are doing God's work--ministering to the poor and the sick--and the priests and bishops have condemned them because they won't work against Planned Parenthood, the Affordable Care Act, and won't condemn gays and gay marriage.  Altogether, the Church just got too hypocritical for me.  They certainly aren't focusing on the words of Jesus, "Feed my sheep.....what you do for the least of these, you do for me".  They should be looking after their own souls and not condemning others.  Jesus was a man of love, not of hate and condemnation.  

                  "Activism begins with you, Democracy begins with you, get out there, get active! Tag, you're it!" Thom Hartmann

                  by glogrrl on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 04:53:54 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

          •  Be that as it may, the Church did a piss poor job (15+ / 0-)

            of controlling priest penis, and now it is branching out to non-Catholic vagina.  Wooha there big boy. You don't know as much as you think you do.  Is pretty much what I have to say to churches who want in my God given body.

            . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

            by 88kathy on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 10:00:35 AM PDT

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          •  and BTW ... (11+ / 0-)

            ... whatever lack of respect, even contempt, KJG's characterization shows towards every Catholic, is rather less in its sharpness than the lack of respect, even contempt, that the USCCB shows towards every Catholic.

            To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

            by UntimelyRippd on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 10:01:06 AM PDT

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            •  Let me explain this in the simplest terms. (1+ / 0-)
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              Catholics are like a family, they have many vehement arguments among themselves. They frequently get angry at one another.

              But the one thing that will pull them together is for some arrogant outsider to butt into the argument. That is what the diarist is doing, and it is very unhelpful in terms of promoting her cause.

              Here's my take on it - the revolution will not be blogged, it has to be slogged. - Deoliver47

              by OIL GUY on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 11:00:15 AM PDT

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              •  Let me explain this in the simplest TERM: (12+ / 0-)

                Tribalism, which is what you are describing, is exactly what causes the sorts of mal, mis, and nonfeasance that various agencies of the catholic church manifested with respect to pedophilia.

                To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

                by UntimelyRippd on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 11:05:38 AM PDT

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              •  Another explanation in simple terms.. (10+ / 0-)

                is that we cease to be "outsiders" when your church is trying to force us to live by their rules.

                If the church wants to affect politics and policy, it must be ready for push-back.  

                As a Catholic, you should try to get your larger church to stop messing in politics.

                Stand Up! Keep Fighting! Paul Wellstone

                by RuralLiberal on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 01:09:05 PM PDT

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              •  I'm not Catholic, never (3+ / 0-)
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                have been, and I'm very sure I don''t want RCC bishops or priests affected MY rights under the government.

                Including how they run Catholic hospitals.

                This is, of course, the difference between republicans and human beings. - Captain Frogbert

                by glorificus on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 01:47:23 PM PDT

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              •  Quickly put: You're wrong. (3+ / 0-)
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                --- signed grover
                Baptized Catholic, confirmed Catholic, married Catholic, currently attending a Lutheran church, but I'm still on the rolls of the Seattle Archdiocese and get mail from Bishop Sartain very regularly.

                I keep waiting/hoping for the Church to come around to its senses so I can start attending mass again. But things have only gotten worse under Pope Benedict.

                I havent burned or shredded my membership card. My burial instructions attached to my will still have provisions for a rosary and funeral at the church I grew up in and was married in.

                My faith hasn't changed. I'm a card-carrying Catholic.

                I used to think change could be effected from the inside, but I just couldn't do it anymore. Every time I walked into my church (a parish and priest I adored), I knew I was endorsing what the Church was doing.

                So if a arrogant outsider speaks her mind, rallies the troops and can effect 0.00007% change, she has my full support.

                And there are plenty of others like me, some waiting to come home, some in the pews but feeling very ambivalent.

                YOU don't speak for all Catholics.

                © grover


                So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

                by grover on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 03:08:48 PM PDT

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          •  When you defend the defenders of pedophiles (10+ / 0-)

            what does that make you?

            Medic Alert: Do not resuscitate under a Republican administration.

            by happymisanthropy on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 10:40:18 AM PDT

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          •  So you support priests raping women and (1+ / 0-)
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            children? Which, btw, is true.

            Good to know.

            This is, of course, the difference between republicans and human beings. - Captain Frogbert

            by glorificus on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 01:39:37 PM PDT

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    •  What generality? (21+ / 0-)

      I provided a link to back up my description of the bishops, and I think it's quite apt and fair.

      Or were you unaware that Cardinal Dolan, while archbishop, had been slipping thousands of dollars to pedophile priests so the poor dears could still afford their health care?

      I am, without shame, completely bigoted against a corrupt organization that covers for pedophiles. I have no problem admitting that. I just wonder how anyone can defend it.

    •  'Mistakes were made' it's football now. (3+ / 0-)
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      Can you not forgive offensive diary comments and ask that the documented protection of pedophiles be forgiven?   Are they going to close the Penn State football program?  Was closing the Catholic church discussed?

      . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

      by 88kathy on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:45:53 AM PDT

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    •  TofG - you think 'sneering comments' are (3+ / 0-)
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      disgraceful?

      I think hypocritical pedophiles, iow the Roman Catholic Church, making rules for women's health disgusting.

      This is, of course, the difference between republicans and human beings. - Captain Frogbert

      by glorificus on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 01:37:58 PM PDT

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    •  Truth hurts, huh. (0+ / 0-)

      The fact that you don’t like to hear about the truth of the Catholic Church means nothing. . It’s the truth.  Everyone knows it’s the truth.  No amount of  pretending otherwise will magically erase the stain.  If you support the Catholic Church with money, your hands are dirty.

  •  Google it (11+ / 0-)

    Man, it's just SOOO easy to go to Google and type in "Catholic women involved in using birth control" and you'll find all kinds of links that show that not only are the vast majority of Catholic women already using birth control but...well, here's a quote I found:

    •58% of all Catholics agree employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception.
    Here's what I don't understand - why is it against the Catholic religion for Catholic organizations/churches to have the OPTION for women to take advantage of health coverage that covers birth control?  I mean, seems if a woman is considered a "good Catholic", then she's been taught not to use contraception...and let's be honest, not ALL women employed by the Catholic church and organizations are actually Catholics.

    Is this one of those DUH thingies, or what?

    The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

    by commonsensically on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:35:49 AM PDT

    •  message discipline (0+ / 0-)

      the point with the bishops is that the church itself has the primary mission to promote/pronounce the faith.

      So they do not want to be forced to act against their own teachings, as this would compromise that primary mission.

      This is not about the people who are employed, but the employer.

      •  Yeah, I get that, of course (11+ / 0-)

        But, what the Catholic church is doing is exactly what they're accusing the government of trying to do in that they're against government telling them they must do something that they say is against their teachings, but what THEY'RE doing is pushing their beliefs and the repercussions of their beliefs on people working for them that aren't of their particular faith.

        It's just how I see it, and I know what the Catholic church's stand is, but don't buy the legitimacy of it.

        The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

        by commonsensically on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:50:23 AM PDT

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      •  So, if the Church leaders act against their (9+ / 0-)

        own teachings and protect and promote those who raped children it's okay? You can't make an argument about the Bishops' actions that squares with basic human decency.  I'm a lapsed Catholic and don't consider my disgust with the Bishops to be bigotry.  It is typical 'cover our ass' behavior on the Church's part and deserves condemnation at every opportunity.

      •  They were given an exemption. They weren't (3+ / 0-)
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        looking for a way to make things work for their followers.  They wanted to control others beyond their flock, and that's why they pushed this the way they have.  

        Actually, that's not really the issue.  They know that they are losing control over their own flock, by using persuasion and teaching, and the are losing numbers as a result.  So, now they are trying to use legal coercion as the means to the end they want.  

        The rest of us are just getting caught up in their machinations, and we're saying no.

        Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

        by bkamr on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:25:17 PM PDT

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  •  Don't women understand that civil liberties (5+ / 0-)

    don't include having the right to make our own medical and reproductive decisions?  Sheesh women of America, get a clue.

  •  FTFY. (0+ / 0-)
    [T]hey've tried to redefine rape to close those super-duper rape "loopholes" 13-year-old hoors are always exploiting
    You almost had the tone right, but missed this.

    Early to rise and early to bed Makes a man healthy, wealthy, and dead. --Not Benjamin Franklin

    by Boundegar on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:40:16 AM PDT

  •  Rachel Maddow.. (14+ / 0-)

    ..claims the reason Republicans in the House keep passing these War on Women bills over & over & over, is because John Boehner can't control his caucus.

    I agree with Rachel.

    John Boehner is a powerless figurehead who is scorned & disrespected by his hayseed caucus.

    And since constantly passing War on Women bills provides the hayseed caucus an adrenaline rush, they keep doing it.

    I think Boehner realizes passing legislation due to nothing more than an addiction to adrenaline rush is bound to have a very negative effect long term.

    But there isn't a g'damn thing Boehner can do about it.
     

    Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate. ~ Proverbs 22:22

    by wyvern on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:41:13 AM PDT

  •  I love Judy Greer. (0+ / 0-)

    From Arrested Development to this skit, she just rocks.

    "Nach dem Spiel ist vor dem Spiel." ~Sepp Herberger

    by surfbird007 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:41:56 AM PDT

  •  "boys and girls" (0+ / 0-)

    For what it's worth, Ms Gray, I find that "boys and girls" schtick of yours patronizing and resent it.

  •  that was awesome! (3+ / 0-)
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    funny or die rocks

    PLEASE donate to a global children's PEACE project: Chalk 4 Peace

    by RumsfeldResign on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:52:16 AM PDT

  •  Freaking Excellent Diary!! (10+ / 0-)

    Yours are always "one of my favorites" but this is truly brilliant!!!   Thanks for putting it all out there with that tone of respect those old white men truly deserve!!

  •  That's it, I'm joining the GOP!! (0+ / 0-)

    Because I'd really like to <punch line left to the reader's imagination>

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:57:10 AM PDT

  •  Go get 'em, girl!!!! (10+ / 0-)

    I love your stuff. I love the bluntness, too. But as another commenter posted, it's just too sad and ridiculous that this crap is still going down in the 21st century.

    Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

    by orlbucfan on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:59:20 AM PDT

  •  We all know the Taliban (American) or otherwise.. (9+ / 0-)

    know best what women should--or should not--do with their "lady parts".  They also know what to do if women don't do as they say, because, of course, the religious folk know best, after all, don't they (just ask them)?

    Don't you just love the smell of religious oppression--disguised as politics--in the morning, noon and night?

  •  I say we let them have (1+ / 0-)
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    free government approved and supplied chastity belts .

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 10:04:00 AM PDT

  •  Employer control over health care choices (7+ / 0-)

    There are two strategies (not either/or, both/and) to get this line of pressure to stop.
    1. Get employers completely out of the health insurance loop so it's none of their business. Single payer / Medicare for all is the simplest; community-based coverage is also possible.
    2. Small and large businesses run by women (we're looking at you now, Yahoo) announce that they have decided that Viagra, Cialis, testosterone shots, baldness treatments, and prostate cancer testing and treatment are immoral and should not be covered for any of their employees or dependents.

  •  Why Shouldn't The GOP Continue The War On Women? (4+ / 0-)
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    After all, they have the majority of White Women in their not-so-hip pockets - In 2008, 53% of White women voted for PaleInsanity, and in 2010, 58% of White women voted for the TeaBigots.

    In the July 11, 2012 Quinnipiac poll, White women indicated that, by 44 - 38, they would vote for the RepubliKlan House candidate over the Democratic House candidate, while overall, women indicated they would vote for the Democratic candidate over the RepubliKlan, 47 - 37.

    In the same poll White women indicated they woould vote for Romney over Obama, 48 - 42, while women, overall, choose Obama over Romney, 51 - 39.

    As the GOP is truly America's White Peoples Party, as long as White women remain wedded to the party of bigotry, why shouldn't it continue its evil ways?

    I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

    by OnlyWords on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 10:14:31 AM PDT

    •  @ OnlyWords- mystifies how people continue to vote (4+ / 0-)
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      against their own best interests!  Unless they're elitists and
      moneyed so access to whatever they want is always possible.  And they're completely locked in to the belief that it's always those 'other people', so the moneyed are just so superior, different, etc.  Untill they're not.

  •  I'd be with you but you smeared on the way... (0+ / 0-)

    I'd support your post, but you unnecessarily smeared my religion on the way to making your point.

    If I get a bunch of comments telling me I'm too sensitive and to get over it, I'm going to consider it a huge irony.

  •  Really like how they really mock "real Americans" (3+ / 0-)
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    That is perhaps the GOP theme that ires me the most. REAL Americans really embrace real democracy. And that really means calling people with different opinions "Americans".

  •  Excellent Diary! (6+ / 0-)

    And thanks for including the video.

    I can't understand why every woman in America is not scared shitless by this stuff!

    It's the 21st century, for crying out loud!

    Stand Up! Keep Fighting! Paul Wellstone

    by RuralLiberal on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 10:42:24 AM PDT

  •  Catholic Church tries to turn doctrine into law .. (15+ / 0-)

    and that puts them into conflict with a lot of us.

    You are free to practice your own religion as you wish (within reason-- no human sacrifices to the fertility god, and no polygamy, for example), but you are NOT FREE to force anyone else to practice your religion (or ANY religion) if they don't choose to of their own free will.

    Personal freedoms don't come under the purview of religious doctrine either.

    Don't tell me how to vote based on your religion.

    Don't tell me who to love based on your religion (only my wife gets to do THAT, and she has been doing it since we got married nearly 46 years ago).

    Don't tell me what I can do and what I can't do as regards my personal medical condition (or tell my wife what she can and cannot do as regards her medical condition).  After you show me YOUR medical records, I  MIGHT -- get it, MIGHT -- show you mine (but don't count on it).

    The First Amendment protects churches from being told how to practice their religion, but it also protects every one of us from being obliged to practice a religion that we do not adhere to.

    The Catholic Church should stop trying to turn its doctrine into civil law.  If not, maybe the Muslims will try to go with Sharia law as civil law -- GET IT?

    "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." -- Patrick Henry

    by BornDuringWWII on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 10:43:10 AM PDT

  •  Love ya Kaili! You keep on bringing' it! (9+ / 0-)

    As of 02/22/2012 in Washington State pharmacists can exercise their "religious freedom" by denying women access to Plan B because the judge thinks there aren't any bigots in this state.

    by FlamingoGrrl on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 11:00:08 AM PDT

  •  Love the diary (5+ / 0-)
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    but am getting very, very weary of the Republicans hammering on this.  I can only hope that this sort of tone-deafness will eventually grate on their constituents and they will find themselves replaced.

    Scene:  Town Hall

    Voter #1:  What did you do about jobs, Congressman?

    Rep Whoever:  Jobs?  Well...  not much.  But I voted on a bill defunding Planned Parenthood!

    Yeah - that will go over well, especially if the constituents get their health care there.

  •  Excellent! (5+ / 0-)

    For ages all sorts of authority figures have suppressed women.  Sometimes by quiet disparagement, sometimes by horrible violence.
    It was unacceptable years ago and is still unacceptable.
    Only now, we will not be silenced, we will not sit in meek acquiescence while our lives are decided for us by our our lord and masters (be they secular or sacred).
    This doesn't sit well with certain political and theocratic figureheads who didn't get the equality memo.  Tough shit guys.  Go take a cold shower or better yet why not take some Viagra/Cialis/Levitra and try to calm down when we tell you to stuff it elsewhere (ala Lysistrata).
    And it's about time the Church knocked off about sex stuff.  While they weren't policing (or were actively protecting) their own miscreants, they were sanctimoniously telling all of us how we'd go straight to hell if we didn't follow some man-made dictum of behavior.  Enough.  You don't play the game, you don't get to make the rules.  The church wants in on a Nations policy matters? Pay taxes.  Perhaps it's time to tax the heck outta the rich old geezers in robes, do it now, before they find the offshore tax havens Mittens has - but they probably know all about them!
    (ps I can say any darn thing I want about the church, I spent the better part of my childhood and young adulthood in parochial settings, and am 'churched up' for life.)

    I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

    by Lilyvt on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 12:17:34 PM PDT

  •  Great diary KJG and thanks for posting it! (6+ / 0-)

    We counsel rape victims not to go to catholic hospitals since they oppose having a qualified nurse to do evidence collection kits as well as refusing to provide or give a prescription for emergency contraception.  But these hospitals don't hesitate to accept public funding and promote themselves as serving the whole community!  They also refuse to provide sterilization for men or women, regardless of the physician's or patient's beliefs.  And as for a pregnant woman who chooses to deliver in a catholic hospital-- be aware if something goes wrong and a decision must be made between saving the woman or the pregnancy- the pregnancy trumps!!  And the woman is 'sacrificed' as the church teaches.  Anyone else see a
    problem with this?  How is taking the pubic's money then denying them legal medical care in any way accceptable?  And of course, this info isn't given up front so expense still incurred if patient can/ does choose to leave.  Sound like aa racket/ scam to you?

  •  Dear Repukes: (1+ / 0-)
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    Fallopians

    No better reason for contraceptives

    Michele-Bachmann-PoliticalPix

    ProChoice-1

    Cease War on Women

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:35:24 PM PDT

  •  Let's all us voters give Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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    a very special present in November:  pink slips galore!!!

    As of right now, I loathe all anti-choice politicians with an intensity greater than the radiation output of a thousand suns. 3.13.12

    by GenuineRisk on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 08:20:15 PM PDT

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