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Grover Norquist's insufferable arrogance was on display again today. This comes from a piece from The Hiill:

Norquist: Senate Dems up in 2014 ‘hostages’ in year-end tax battle

By Alexander Bolton - 07/21/12

But Norquist thinks vulnerable senators up for re-election in two years will force Democrats to back down, as they did in 2010 by extending virtually all of the Bush tax cuts for two years.

“Last time Republicans won the House and [were] a little strengthened in the Senate and Obama folded completely. We’re going to be stronger this time than after last time; our hostages are the 20 Democrats up in ’14. We’ll send them either piece by piece or one at a time over to the White House to negotiate,” Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and author of the Taxpayer Protection Pledge, told The Hill in an interview.

They think Obama will drive a harder bargain this fall because he does not have to worry about winning a second term.

Norquist argues the roles will be reversed this year. He predicts endangered Senate Democrats will put pressure on Obama not to let all the income tax rates expire.

Some of the Senators mentioned by The Hill piece are Tim Johnson (S.D.), Mark Pryor (AR.), John Rockefeller (W.V.), Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.), Sens. Max Baucus (MT.), Mary Landrieu (LA.), and Mark Begich (AK).  All of who are from states that voted for McCain in 2008.

Grover Norquist works for the sole benefit of the shadowy 0.001% who bankroll his secretive Americans for Tax Reform.

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  •  Riight. Because the GOP will not try to defeat (15+ / 0-)

    all of these folks regardless in 2014?  Gee Mary Landrieu since some of the tax cuts were extended we're not going to fund the challenger against you.  Same for you Mark Pryor.  Rockefeller, Baucus and Johnson will probably all be retiring anyways.  

  •  Nov 7, 2012 (14+ / 0-)

    Is when we need to start worrying about 2014 elections and I agree with Jacoby Jonze, either way Landrieu and Pryor will be challenged and probably well funded though all those PACS unless SCOTUS does something to end this ruling or we're able to push through a Disclose Act.  

    As for Norquist, he can take these remarks and shove them.  There is talk right now of letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire at the end of the year and after the New Year putting through new cuts that eliminate cuts to the top 1%.  Of course this is all predicated on Obama winning and our taking back the House and keeping control of the Senate.  Fingers, toes and eyes are crossed.

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

    by Rosalie907 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 10:35:29 PM PDT

    •  Norquist is a self-important self-proclaimed tax (11+ / 0-)

      guru.  Try "anti-tax radical."

      He came up with this nonsense when he was a teenager (different versions say 12 years old or 14 years old), and he hasn't had a cogent thought since that time.

      He has said that his fondest dream is to reduce the government to a size small enough to be able to drown it in the bathtub.

      Nobody but Norquist elected him to anything.

      Since he is totally opposed to any taxes, he should not drive on the highways that you and I paid for (but he is a hypocrite).

      All the DEMs need to do now is sit tight and do NOTHING and all the tax breaks will go POOF on January 1, 2013.

      Then they can institute tax breaks as it makes sense (and tax breaks for the very wealthy DO NOT make sense).

      "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." -- Patrick Henry

      by BornDuringWWII on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 12:05:33 AM PDT

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      •  This is exactly right (1+ / 0-)
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        All the DEMs need to do now is sit tight and do NOTHING and all the tax breaks will go POOF on January 1, 2013.

        Then they can institute tax breaks as it makes sense (and tax breaks for the very wealthy DO NOT make sense).

        The do nothing approach is the best way to go. Let's start 2013 under the Clinton tax rates and fight from there for a better system.

        NC-4 (soon to be NC-6) Obama/Biden 2012

        by bear83 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:38:18 AM PDT

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      •  He's just like that kid, Jonathan Krohn (0+ / 0-)

        who wrote a book about conservatism and spoke at CPAC when he was 13.  Just one significant difference - Jonathan grew up and recognized what an uninformed chump he had been at the age of 13.

        Free: The Authoritarians - all about those who follow strong leaders.

        by kbman on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:55:42 AM PDT

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    •  We only have to control one chamber of Congress (5+ / 0-)

      for the 2013 portion of the plan to work.

      We don't need the Presidency and we don't need both chambers. As long as we have the power to get a middle-class-only tax cut bill to the floor of one chamber, Rs in Congress and the WH wouldn't dare to vote no on it or veto it. We just need to have enough votes in one of the chambers to prevent an extension (or even expansion) of the full range of the Bush tax cuts.

      The American people are with us on this, and if it comes down to each side demanding that the other side pass its version of the tax cuts, we win the PR battle and presumably the legislative battle as well.

      Which is not to say, of course, that it's OK if we lose the Presidency or either chamber of Congress. There are numerous other horrors that await us if that happens. But on the specific issue of the tax cuts, we are sitting in the driver's seat unless we're at the losing end of a shutout in Nov.

      "These are not candidates. These are the empty stand-ins for lobbyists' policies to be legislated later." - Chimpy, 9/24/10

      by NWTerriD on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 02:10:43 AM PDT

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    •  No, not 11/7/12..... (3+ / 0-)

      7/22/12.....Today.

      Let's make room for 2016, 2018, and 2020 as well.

      Let's face it, the other side's already announced a game plan and a blank page is all we got. Ideas, people! Hustle! Hustle! Hustle!

  •  Can somebody explain to me how (13+ / 0-)

    Norquist ever got so much influence and power?  Did he just found a think tank and get bankrolled by real money, or did he do anything to earn his status?    I just do not see how people can just do what he tells them to.  What levers does he control?

  •  I think I remember hearing Rockefeller and... (2+ / 0-)
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    Pryor are considering not running for reelection in 2014. But it may have just been wishful thinking on my part.

    That would take away a couple of likely suspects from Grover's terrorist negotiations.

    "That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history." ~ Aldous Huxley

    by markthshark on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 11:54:24 PM PDT

  •  Just how small is (5+ / 0-)

    Grover Norquist's ......

    Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about. Mark Twain

    by Deathtongue on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 12:00:46 AM PDT

  •  Could Little Grover Be Getting Ahead Of Himself? (5+ / 0-)

    He's a little full of himself.  Fewer Republicans signed onto his tax pledge this year than last.  Grover may be blowing a little smoke right now to salvage his street cred.

  •  He's not...WRONG.... (4+ / 0-)
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    Well, everything about Grover Norquist is absolutely wrong but....these seats are going to be HEAVILY targeted by the GOP, even if they didn't have their overrated petition-creator spouting off his usual nonsense.

    The benches in some of these states are really thin...I mean if Rockefeller retires who are the WV Dems going to put up?  Carte Goodwin?  Same in Arkansas....though it'd be nice to see Bill Halter back in the news.  I think Montana and New Hampshire are the best bets to retain (especially if Schweitzer runs in lieu of Baucus).  

    But really, to me it's interesting he makes these comments.  If he's REALLY looking forward to 2014; he must be a little bearish on some of the 2012 candidates or their prospects for swinging his agenda of anti-tax zealotry in Congress.  

    Currently showing an amazed Mitt Romney on what the space bar does.

    by RVKU on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 12:19:21 AM PDT

  •  It's about time America cleaned up it's act (7+ / 0-)

    and actually instituted government by representation.

    If Grover Norquist wants to dictate taxation policy, then let him run for office. In the meantime, this kind of explicit hostage-taking reeks of government by the self-appointed servants of the filthy rich.

  •  Obama carried NH (4+ / 0-)
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    And barring another 2010, I don't see any of the Republican bench there beating Shaheen. Guinta and Bass will be lucky to still be in the House by then.

    Certaines personnes disent qu'il y a une femme à blâmer, Mais je sais que c'est ma faute sacrément.

    by RamblinDave on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 02:30:45 AM PDT

  •  Rockefeller? (11+ / 0-)

    Seriously?

    The same guy who won with 64% in 2008?

    Or Tim Johnson?  

    He only won by 63%-37%.

    Max Baucus?  

    Well his 2008 race was a nailbiter.  He only won 73%-27%.

    Mark Pryor?

    He squeaked by with only 80%.

    Granted Begich barely won his race against a FORTY YEAR INCUMBENT!!!!  I doubt he'll have to face as formidable a foe this time around.

    Also granted Mary Landreau only got 52% and Jeanne Shaheen only beat an incumbent by 7%.

    But let's look at some other races that were a bit closer than Pryor, Baucus, Rockefeller or Johnson.

    -Suxballs Chambliss (R-GA), an incumbent only got 57%.
    -Jim Risch (R-ID) only got 58%.
    -Pat Roberts (R-KS) only got 60%.
    -Mitch McChinless (R-KY and Senate Minority Leader) only got 53%.
    -Susan Collins (R-ME) only got 61%.
    -Thad Cockroach Cochran (R-MS) only got 61%.
    -Mike Johanns (R-NE) only got 58%.
    -Jim Imafuckingidiot Imhofe (R-OK) only got 57%.
    -Lindsey Graham (R-SC) only got 58%.
    -John Cornholio Cornyn (R-TX) only got 55%.

    That fat bastard Norquist is nervous.  he knows the GOP may well tell him to shove it up his fat ass come the end of the year.  ESPECIALLY if the elections don't go the way he planned and the Dems hold the Senate and Obama wins.  He knows full well that they could very well just let the Bush tax cuts expire as they were intended to and then just push for a middle class tax cut.  He knows that if that happens he will be irrelevant, especially with Obama in the White House for 4 more years.

    Granted that 2008 was a far different year than 2014 will likely be.  For starters it's an off year election and there are far more Dems who will be going into the 2014 elections as endangered.  However, many of the ones he's targeting are Dems who won with very comfortable margins in 2008 as I noted above.  Also there are many GOoPers up for election in 2014 who are on the wrong side of 75 and aren't getting younger.  If the GOP loses this year it's very likely the teabrained nutsacks will go completely off the rails which means that incumbents like Sue Collins and Lindsey Graham will very likely get teabagged, opening up opportunities for the Dems to take advantage of.  It's also likely that old timers like Cochran and Enzi (all older than 70) will call it quits rather than remain in the minority.  Also, the economy will be a big determining factor in 2014.  If the economy is still in the shitter by then it could well turn into another 2010.  OTOH if the economy is improving, then it could turn out better for the Dems.  

    In the end though, it's all irrelevant right now as 2014 is far off and we have yet to get through the 2012 elections.  Norquist is just looking to remain relevant.  The election in 2012 could well spell the end of his considerable and unjustified influence on Capitol Hill.  He knows this which is why he's spouting this nonsense.

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 02:44:58 AM PDT

  •  He is taking the whole NATION hostage. n/t (6+ / 0-)

    "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abby

    by SaraBeth on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 03:05:11 AM PDT

  •  I am inclined to agree with Warren Moseley, (5+ / 0-)

    the main publicist of Modern Monetary Theory, that one of the ways to respond to a stagnant economy is to reduce the amount of money collected by government as taxes and the other is to pump more money into the economy via various transfer payments. I say "inclined," because I agree that getting money moving is key. However, it's doubtful that people bent on hoarding money and passing it around amongst each other to admire how much they have will change their behavior regardless of what the tax rate is. Our system of tax collection is predicated on capturing some for public use as it moves. Hoarded cash isn't taxed.

    Congress uses "tax cuts" as a bribe to solicit contributions to their re-election campaign coffers. Indeed, Congress sees money as a tool to manipulate the behavior of the electorate to keep themselves in power. Their attitude towards money is abusive.  Money is a tool whose purpose is to facilitate or lubricate, if you will, trade and exchange. Using it to reward and punish is abuse.

    "Taking hostages" is, like kidnapping, one of the flavors of triangulation which aims to affect one party by attacking another one.  Hostages are the very essence of "innocent victims." Their innocence is not incidental to their victimization.  Triangulators pick on innocents because they count on surprise to prevent resistance and expect the innocent to be unprepared for an attack. Triangulators are cowardly creatures keen on not getting bloodied themselves.  So, they target the weak and unaware. Predators are not brave. But, natural predators kill to eat; humans either kill out of hate or simply abuse their prey. They triangulate to keep themselves safe and their hands clean.  It's despicable behavior employed by kidnappers, terrorists and corporate operatives. Triangulation is what destroyed our industrial enterprise so Willard and his ilk could accumulate money. Triangulation and the ulterior motive go hand in hand.

    Arguing over deficits and tax cuts in a nation that issues its own currency is a faux argument and a scam to disguise that our currency is being misused.  Sometimes it seems like our congress critters are all intent on getting back at the mommy who wouldn't let them get candy in the check-out line with the excuse that "we don't have enough money, honey."

    Willard's forte = "catch 'n' cage"

    by hannah on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 03:34:19 AM PDT

    •  Astute observations, especially this one... (1+ / 0-)
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      However, it's doubtful that people bent on hoarding money and passing it around amongst each other to admire how much they have will change their behavior regardless of what the tax rate is. Our system of tax collection is predicated on capturing some for public use as it moves. Hoarded cash isn't taxed.
      This is really what the .01% are doing.  

      Tax shelters are a form of putting their money under the mattress.  They compete with each other have a bigger hoard because of what they fear.  

      What do they fear most?  

      A hostile takeover by someone with more access to leverage.  Their hoard gives them access to debt on favorable terms.

      •  They fear, and perhaps rightly so, (1+ / 0-)
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        that if they don't have a lot of money nobody will take care of their needs.
        Hoarding money is like clutching a life-preserver by someone who doesn't know how to swim and finds himself in an ocean of sharks, everyone of which is looking to have him for lunch. That humans are not part of a shark's normal diet doesn't penetrate the fear.
        Financial engineering is a virtual enterprise invented by idealists for whom the "idea is all it takes." They've convinced themselves that their ideas, like Dubya's idea to bring democracy to Iraq, drive the world -- that if they didn't dream up adventures, nothing would happen, just as, if there'd been no Creator to demand "let there be light," there would be nothing but void.
        They're Platonists.

        Willard's forte = "catch 'n' cage"

        by hannah on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:50:57 AM PDT

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    •  thanks (0+ / 0-)

      The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

      by a2nite on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 10:16:11 AM PDT

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  •  it's 2012 (2+ / 0-)
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    then it's 2013 and so forth

    W. Mitt Romney is the pioneer of creating "economic - sacrifice - zones"

    by anyname on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 03:56:40 AM PDT

  •  I call Norquist a "TERRORIST" (3+ / 0-)
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  •  AN ALTERNATIVE EVEN THE GOP CAN'T OPPOSE (4+ / 0-)

    Here's an elegant alternative proposal to the patchwork fixes proposed for our broken, currupt system of taxes:

    Fair Share Tax (google it)
    --1. Federal Income Tax: All household income & compensation is taxed at a 20% rate; except the following which are taxed at a 3% rate: a)Income under a realistic poverty line (eg$30,000 for a family of three); b)Expenses & compensation for medical expenses exceeding 6% of income; c)Income placed into or spent from tax-free education-retirement accounts. No other adjustments, deductions, or exemptions! Effective rates (family of 3): 3%- $20,000; 10%-$65,000; 15%-$140,000; 20%-$20mill+.
    --2. Federal Net-Worth Tax: All household accumulated wealth, except the first ~$800,000 (essentially median home price and tax-free account value) is taxed at 2% rate. This tax is paid once a year and replaces current property, capital gains, and estate taxes.
    --3. State and local governments funded entirely with combined ~50% surcharge on Federal tax. End sales, property, estate, Social Security taxes.
    --4. Substantial cut to military so we're spending only 3.5 times that of next most militarized country. Substantial cost savings on medical care, like that practiced at Mayo Clinic

    Result:
    -Returns federal taxes revenue to that of Clinton era (% of GDP)
    -$2 in spending cuts for every $1 in revenue increases
    -Large tax savings for working-poor and middle class
     & Increased education, research, infrastructure spending -> stable economy
    -1-page Tax Returns
    -Federal surpluses within 10yrs

  •  If they expire Democrats can vote to replace them (1+ / 0-)
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    with tax cuts going up to 250,000 in income.

    •  Yep, and it will be interesting to see (3+ / 0-)
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      If the R's respond with a spiteful refusal to join in passing The Biggest Tax Cut In History ☺

      The contrast would be illuminating for some. Many get it already, a few will never see who has their best interests in mind--no matter what reality throws their way.

      Senator Murray (WA) has made this exact proposal: Let all of the tax cuts expire as scheduled, then restore 80+% of them. The number crunchers can probably verify that this would qualify as the B.T.C.I.H.

      It would be a real test of Gopper leaders control over their members. Even Norquist might have a hard time refusing to support those tax cuts for Americans who for too long have gotten the shit end of the stick.

      Of course, the Pugs may in fact coalesce around some claim about "fairness." More than once we've been mocked for being naive due to a reasonable desire for equality, so I'm more than a little bit in a mood to return the favor.

      All we really have to do at this point is to refuse to cave in. Any legislators from our side of the aisles who bend to Republican pressures should know they will be primaried.

      I think the particular "cut-off" point is less important than the principle that those who have enriched themselves so incredibly over the past few decades need to contribute more to a system which has served them  well. Rather than $250,000 a million dollars might be better, though. In my part of the world 250k goes a looong way. Still, the visuals of Teabaggers willing to allow that hardworking Americans taxes be increased unless their millionaire buddies get taken care of? Irresistible!

      It matters not how small the beginning may seem to be: what is once well done is done forever. Henry David Thoreau, in Civil Disobedience

      by Had Enough Right Wing BS on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 09:42:05 AM PDT

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