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I first met Darcy Burner in October of 2006, a few weeks before election day during her first run for Congress. As I explained a few months ago, I was nearing the end of a journey during which I had met a couple dozen candidates for Congress over the course of the previous several weeks, and it would have been easy to just count down the days, go through the motions, and just get everything over with. But Darcy was different: She was not only a technologically savvy progressive who fit right in with the burgeoning netroots movement, but a genuine and sincere person outside of her candidacy. Getting to know her was one of the highlights of the entire experience.

Running against entrenched Republican incumbents with a shot of local popularity isn't the easiest thing, and after Darcy's narrow loss in the race against Dave Reichert, I promised myself that I would come up to the Seattle area for any subsequent runs she made, and did exactly that in the fall of 2008. But this year, things are dramatically different: I just concluded a summertime visit last week.

Redistricting has completely altered the dynamics of the race for the new First District: Instead of being forced to run against a relatively popular incumbent, the district is now an open seat, which has brought out a horde of other Democrats looking for a shot at Congress. While in previous races, Darcy had a relatively simple time advancing through the primary to the November general election, she now faces very well-funded opposition in her efforts to take on Republican John Koster, who will almost certainly advance to the general. According to recent polls, Darcy's main competition among Democrats is Suzan DelBene, a former executive at Microsoft, who has already dumped $1 million of her personal wealth into purchasing this seat. The difference between Darcy and Suzan DelBene isn't just the size of their checkbooks, though. This is what DelBene had to say about her ideological leanings in Congress:

I would most likely not be in the Progressive Caucus. I would expect to be in the New Democrats Caucus. I think that’s a place that is fit for what I think needs to happen in terms of getting our economy moving and for breaking this idea that Democrats aren’t also supportive of business in our economy and I think that’s where the New Democrats have made a lot of progress.
With Darcy in her campaign office
I happened to arrive Washington right when things were getting very interesting. An independent expenditure campaign supporting a third Democrat, Laura Ruderman, had just released some mean negative mailers against DelBene. While it was known at the time that this independent expenditure was being managed by supporters of Ruderman, subsequent campaign finance reports disclosed that the series of advertisements and mailers was being funded to the tune of six figures by Ruderman's mother, Margaret Rothschild. I was in the studio audience for a candidate forum while this scandal was breaking; DelBene attacked Ruderman over her supporters' spending in the race, which merely opened the door for both Ruderman and Darcy to make mention of DelBene's efforts to buy the race.

So, in a nutshell, this Democratic primary comes down a a multimillionaire putting seven figures into a campaign and then being offended when a Rothschild responds with six figures, all while Darcy works to raise the grassroots money to get her own message out. And it's quite a progressive message. While other candidates were trying to argue whose attempt to buy the election is more moral, Darcy was making public presentations in just about every major population center in the district side-by-side with Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton (ret.) about the importance of ending the war in Afghanistan and spending that money to rebuild infrastructure here in the United States. The next day, she was a guest on The Young Turks, and the transcript speaks for itself:

 Burner and Eaton present on Afghanistan
Burner and Eaton present on Afghanistan
Cenk: Shocking! Republicans succeed. Why? They fight, right? They might be wrong, but they fight. Now, Elizabeth Warren also getting a ton of donations in Massachusetts, I just read a story today, they're like...wow, why? Well, it's because she fought the banks. For example, what would you do with the banks, Darcy?

Darcy: We have a huge number of bankers who have broken the laws and they should go to jail. It's long past time the people who brought down the economy for personal profit paid for it.

That's the Darcy Burner that this community has known and loved for many years. But as Joan McCarter wrote earlier this week, voting has already started and Darcy is going to need all the resources she can get if she is going to have a chance to defeat the big money that is being spent in her race. Now that ballots are dropping for the August 7 primary, we need to pull together to make sure she gets to campaign through November.

Please chip in what you can to make sure that Darcy has the resources she needs to win her primary. Every dollar will help.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 06:00 PM PDT.

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  •  Timely FP diary (18+ / 0-)

    Our mail-in ballots arrived in the mail yesterday.

    Of course, she has our household's support and our votes!

    "No man is rich enough to buy back his past." ~ Oscar Wilde

    by ozsea1 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 06:11:32 PM PDT

  •  microsoft employee and elected official (1+ / 0-)
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    WaltK

    a juxtaposition that's usually going to make me very worried.

    big badda boom : GRB 080913

    by squarewheel on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 06:14:08 PM PDT

    •  Darcy Burner was also a Microsoft employee (5+ / 0-)

      The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

      by raboof on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 06:31:58 PM PDT

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      •  Seriously (0+ / 0-)

        As a WA resident, I suspect  most of the D candidates will be fine.  In fact, it appears to me that Suzan Delbene is a more than acceptable choice.  

        I'm all for wish Darcy Burner well, but this post seems to demonize all the other choices as though they were terrible people.

        (Though will admit that Ruderman's mother running the negative ad PAC is pretty creepy.)

        •  Speaking for myself only... (2+ / 0-)
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          WaltK, mp

          I don't want more neoliberal, New Democrats, Third Way, DLC politicians in DC.

          I would much rather see this election hinge on what kind of an economy we want and I don't want a corporate economy. [1]

          I would much rather see Darcy Burner elected so I just made my contribution to her campaign via Act Blue.

          Just as an aside, sorry, Markos...I wanted all my contribution to go to the candidate.

          [1]
          Chris Hedges and Bill Moyers can explain that to you much better than I could.
          http://billmoyers.com/...

          Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

          by Just Bob on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:57:54 PM PDT

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    •  DelBene is unacceptable (2+ / 0-)
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      Cynic in seattle, Just Bob

      While Darcy is also a former Microsoft employee, DelBene's husband is still the president of the Office division. And in her recent stint working for the state Dept. of Revenue she continued to look the other way while MS operated a sham Nevada office to avoid billions in Washington State taxes.
      http://microsofttaxdodge.com/...
      The odious Ross Hunter, even more implicated in this theft is a DelBene backer, and this is really an indictment of the whole Gregoire administration, which of course Delbene was a part of. Gregoire has also endorsed her.
      It's unclear just why pro-business tool, DelBene has gotten so many labor endorsements. Their public pronouncements don't pass the smell test and are just so much blather— "hard working," "sincere," etc.— when stacked up against Darcy. I suspect she has whispered support of coal export terminals into their ears, or tipped them on inside knowledge that the fix is in at the state agencies which have a say on permits, Natural Resources and Ecology.

      William O. Douglas- “I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all.”

      by WaltK on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:11:27 PM PDT

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      •  Out of line (1+ / 0-)
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        licorice114

        Characterizing DelBene as a "pro-business tool" is out of line.

        Dawn is breaking everywhere Light a candle, curse the glare We will get by. We will survive.

        by MikeBoyScout on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:17:38 PM PDT

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        •  how is it exactly? let's quote her own words (2+ / 0-)
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          I would most likely not be in the Progressive Caucus. I would expect to be in the New Democrats Caucus. I think that’s a place that is fit for what I think needs to happen in terms of getting our economy moving and for breaking this idea that Democrats aren’t also supportive of business in our economy and I think that’s where the New Democrats have made a lot of progress.
          Sounds like a pro-business tool to me.

          oops. I hope the gate wasn't too expensive.

          Twitter: @DanteAtkins

          by Dante Atkins on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:28:45 PM PDT

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          •  Repeating yourself (0+ / 0-)

            is not a justification.  Nor is it elaboration.

            But let's cut to the chase shall we?

            Suzanne is not a "pro-business tool".  Your use of "tool" is intentionally pejorative.

            And if and when Darcy wins, how shall Darcy's affiliation with you and your public comments enable her to garner the support we need to defeat the only known TOOL in the race, John Koster?

            Support your candidate, but please keep your deduced epithets based upon caucus affiliation in check for our common good.

            Dawn is breaking everywhere Light a candle, curse the glare We will get by. We will survive.

            by MikeBoyScout on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:50:01 PM PDT

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            •  caucus affiliation (3+ / 0-)
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              humphrey, Just Bob, WaltK

              is only part of it. any time someone tells you that she wants dems to be more supportive of business, you should probably run the other direction.

              oops. I hope the gate wasn't too expensive.

              Twitter: @DanteAtkins

              by Dante Atkins on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:56:27 PM PDT

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              •  Can U B reasonable? (0+ / 0-)

                Suzanne did not say "she wants dems to be more supportive of business", did she?

                That's your interpretation of " breaking this idea that Democrats aren’t also supportive of business in our economy".

                Try calming down and taking a step back.

                Dawn is breaking everywhere Light a candle, curse the glare We will get by. We will survive.

                by MikeBoyScout on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:10:11 PM PDT

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            •  It was me that was being intentionally pejorative. (1+ / 0-)
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              Just Bob

              And I stand by it. I've spent enough time talking to DelBene that I've formed an opinion of her that is actually far worse than the mild epitaph of "tool." Do you really think that Koster wailing about Darcy paling around with a Kossack will make any difference?

              At some point progressives have to stop running away from progressivism, and thinking that electing Blue Dogs will lead to anything good.

              The phrase that I'm hearing over and over while talking to voters these days is "Neither party is worth a damn." Dems should take that as a personal indictment, not some sort of bipartisan slander, because what it means is "The Dems have sold us out too."

              Koster plays to anger. That anger is cultivated out of the real fear that average folks have for the future. Darcy is the only candidate that can speak to the fear. DelBene certainly can't, no one in distress who's watched what's gone on since 2007 is going to believe anyone mouthing her ridiculous platitudes. All her establishment Dem endorsements are worse than meaningless.

              Darcy's message of bringing our money home from Afghanistan  and putting it  to to work in WA01 to the tune of $250 million a year is far from the complete progressive story, but I think its pretty well crafted for the district. And at least she's going to get that message out, not one that we need to be nicer to the job creators.

              William O. Douglas- “I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all.”

              by WaltK on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 10:02:01 PM PDT

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        •  NOT out of line (0+ / 0-)

          Please invest the time to watch Chris Hedges and Bill Moyers:
          http://billmoyers.com/...

          Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

          by Just Bob on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:59:45 PM PDT

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  •  Darcy is a better Democrat. (13+ / 0-)

    She is what the netroots are about.

    I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

    by TomP on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 06:16:52 PM PDT

  •  Big money vs Darcy Burner (7+ / 0-)


     Darcy Burner is the fighter Dems need for everything we care about.  

    I'll contribute more as I can

    Thx Dante Atkins

  •  Darcy (2+ / 0-)
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    Bailey, licorice114

    Why are we being asked to back a lousy candidate?
    She has demonstrated that she can't win an election even in Democratic years. We should nominate someone who can win. I am not about losing nobly.

    •  Darcy is not a lousy candidate (7+ / 0-)

      In any way, shape or form.

      She is an AWESOME candidate who ran in some VERY challenging districts.

      She is EVERYTHING good about being a progressive. And she CAN win. But we won't be thanking you for your support.

      But if you want to be trollish about her, by all means, carry on.

    •  She's the best chance to win. (3+ / 0-)
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      abarefootboy, Eric Nelson, Just Bob

      Her biggest fault in 2006 and 2008 was not running as an unabashed progressive and taking the party centrists' advice too much to heart. She was also inexperienced. DelBene did not come as close to unseating Reichert as Darcy did, despite having a level of support from party leadership Darcy never enjoyed. She is much more focused, and as her Netroots presentation mentioned, is trying to target the disaffected voters. DelBene with her $5 million house on Lake Washington has no chance of doing that.

      I don't want to lose at all, and sending DelBene to congress would be as worthless, maybe worse, than sending Koster. H1B visas for Microsoft, useless contracts for Boeing, coal export terminals for the mining companies and Warren Buffet, anything for business is what you can expect from Suzan. Koster is a clown who would spend his time in Congress grandstanding and accomplishing very little.

      William O. Douglas- “I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all.”

      by WaltK on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:24:10 PM PDT

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      •  fact check (0+ / 0-)
        DelBene did not come as close to unseating Reichert as Darcy did,
        Wikipedia's Reichert page says he won the 2008 election over Burner with 53% of the vote, and the 2010 election over DelBene with 52% of the vote.
        •  if you want to do that analysis (0+ / 0-)

          you should check out much Reichert and the IE groups spent against Darcy in 2008 vs how much they spent against DelBene in 2010.

          oops. I hope the gate wasn't too expensive.

          Twitter: @DanteAtkins

          by Dante Atkins on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:20:35 PM PDT

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          •  This is not horseshoes or hand grenades. (0+ / 0-)

            Do you think IE will be less this time around?

            I was in the studio audience for a candidate forum while this scandal was breaking; DelBene attacked Ruderman over her supporters' spending in the race, which merely opened the door for both Ruderman and Darcy to make mention of DelBene's efforts to buy the race.
            This is the first I've seen this described as a scandal. You fail to mention that Ruderman has asked her mother to back off.
        •  Look at the 2006 election (2+ / 0-)
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          Just Bob, mp

          Burner- 48.54% Reichert 51.46%

          And many east King county PCOs didn't lift a finger for her because she was "too progressive for the district."

          William O. Douglas- “I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all.”

          by WaltK on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 10:09:56 PM PDT

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          •  Isn't this still a reality-based community? (1+ / 0-)
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            The electability argument for Burner is easily refuted, and the purported fact that some local Dems didn't lift a finger for her only supports the point that she is less electable, as does the purported fact that outside groups spent more against her, both of which I am taking as true for the sake of argument without examining.

            In 2006, the generic congressional ballot was D+7.9, and Burner lost by 3.0, underperforming the generic by 10.9.

            In 2008, the generic congressional ballot was D+10.7, and Burner lost by 5.6, underperforming the generic by 16.3.

            In 2010, the generic congressional ballot was R+6.6, and Delbene lost by 4.2, OVERPERFORMING the generic by 2.4.

            There are other arguments for Burner, and I would encourage anyone and everyone to support her if she wins the primary.  But she is not more electable.  I am not in love with any of the candidates here, but Burner makes me the most nervous about holding the seat, and I really just want to win the seat.

            White Male, 36, New FL-14 (Castor), proud father of a 4-year-old daughter. "Who let the dogs out? Who? Who?" - Mitt Romney, MLK Day 2008.

            by spiderdem on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 06:55:17 AM PDT

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            •  Not that anyone is still reading but... (2+ / 0-)
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              ..amen brother.

              I don't give a damn about the difference across the range from Burner to Hobbs (who is pro-choice, pro-marriage-equality, and would be a progressive in most of the country). I do give a damn about Nancy Pelosi getting the gavel back.

              Darcy Burner is a fine progressive activist and ineffective campaigner whom I supported strongly twice, and who has spent the past few years creating negative ads for the IE groups to use against her. Wouldn't it be great if "stand up for abortion" was the ad that lost her the seat, it happened to be the one seat margin in Congress, and as a result millions of women lost reproductive rights?

              Purism be damned. Darcy Burner is our side's Christine O'Donnell.

              I don't know why I'm bothering. My ballot is already mailed.

              Use every man after his desert, and who should 'scape whipping?

              by UncleDavid on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 09:21:41 AM PDT

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              •  Pelosi getting the gavel back (1+ / 0-)
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                and bargaining away Social Security.

                You are absolutely clueless if you equate Darcy Burner with Christine O'Donnell.

                Democrats that buy into right wing frames have just about destroyed the party. You seem to be looking to finish the job.

                William O. Douglas- “I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all.”

                by WaltK on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 11:54:44 AM PDT

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    •  One of the things we point out at DFA Trainings... (5+ / 0-)
      ...what is the most common trait among winning challenger candidates for Congress?

      Having lost (at least) one race for Congress before.

      The campaign finance system is designed to favor incumbents and multimillionaires.  If you want champions of, by and for the People, we all need to stop pushing the Beltway CW that is frankly, just bullshit.  It hurts progressive candidates all over the country, empowers the corporate centrists/blue dogs and makes donors shy away from their own values.

      Darcy did run twice before, and while you are correct they were national strong Democratic years, the seat she ran for had not previously been competitive and was held by a long time incumbent who was featured in TV Movies as the hero prosecutor for putting away a serial killer.  Tons of outside money poured in attacking Darcy while prime time movies were aired on the incumbents behalf.  She came damn close, both times.  She also learned from those experiences and has grown significantly as a person, progressive activist and candidate.  That experience is an asset, not a liability.

      This is a different district, open and D+3.  It was won by then President Obama with 56% of the vote.  Moderate candidates have not performed nearly as well as the perceived progressive then Senator Obama.  We absolutely need to nominate a true progressive for this seat and Darcy is the only one in the race with a demonstrated history of fighting for progressive values at the federal level.

      We should nominate someone who can win, Darcy is that someone.

      Proudly working on the campaign to elect Darcy Burner.
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      by mp on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:31:38 PM PDT

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  •  I'm in WA7 (6+ / 0-)

    so can't vote for Darcy, but sent a bit of money to her campaign yesterday. This time she's gonna win.

    I came for the politics and stayed for the science.

    by bwren on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 06:47:38 PM PDT

  •  I've still got my "vote Darcy Burner"... (3+ / 0-)
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    mp, humphrey, Just Bob

    .. bumper sticker from 2006 on my car.

    Mitt will not win this election; in fact, he's pretty much lost it in general.

    by alkatt on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:24:24 PM PDT

  •  A better way (1+ / 0-)
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    spiderdem

    One of 3 Democrats is going to advance in this primary to face a low life teabagging Republican, Koster.

    All 3 are much better than Koster.
    All 3 are doing what they think necessary to win the primary.
    No matter which of the 3 win, we shall need to pull together to win the general election.

    All of us who live in the area have our preferences.
     We don't need to tear the other two down.

    As progressive Democrats we can choose to focus our efforts on the positive change our preferred candidate would bring in comparison to the other.

    It is up to us, but together we win.

    Dawn is breaking everywhere Light a candle, curse the glare We will get by. We will survive.

    by MikeBoyScout on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:27:33 PM PDT

    •  don't need to tear the other two down? (5+ / 0-)
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      Tell that to DelBene's press people, who went around to the press characterizing Darcy's speech at Netroots Nation as "cheering for abortion."

      DelBene will tear people down at will--but instead of putting her name behind it, she just does it behind the scenes and sells out women's rights in the process.

      Doesn't sound like the candidate I want. Better than Koster? Sure. But you can only make the pro-DelBene arguments you're making if she had actually kept her nose clean. She hasn't. And even worse, she has sold out women in the process.

      oops. I hope the gate wasn't too expensive.

      Twitter: @DanteAtkins

      by Dante Atkins on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:32:28 PM PDT

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      •  2 wrongs make what? (n/t) (1+ / 0-)
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        Dawn is breaking everywhere Light a candle, curse the glare We will get by. We will survive.

        by MikeBoyScout on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:53:01 PM PDT

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        •  Totally agree with Mike (1+ / 0-)
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          Delbene probably has a better shot to hold this seat than Burner.  Delbene performed better against Reichert in the Republican wave year of 2010 than Burner did in the Democratic wave year of 2008.  DelBene is not that exciting but is a perfectly mainstream Democrat.  Burner is on the record saying Barack Obama is a Republican, which I don't think is a position that a lot of Washington swing voters can relate to.  Your diary could have done a much better job of focusing on the big picture of beating Koster and on what Darcy Burner has to offer instead of petty internecine warfare.

          White Male, 36, New FL-14 (Castor), proud father of a 4-year-old daughter. "Who let the dogs out? Who? Who?" - Mitt Romney, MLK Day 2008.

          by spiderdem on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 06:22:57 AM PDT

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      •  Cheering for abortion (0+ / 0-)

        Don't you think Karl Rove will use exactly the same ad? Sorry, but Darcy's good work in DC has just made her electoral poison.

        Use every man after his desert, and who should 'scape whipping?

        by UncleDavid on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 09:24:22 AM PDT

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  •  Hmmm (2+ / 0-)
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    Delbene is totally pro-business. Facts speak for themselves.

  •  Dear Darcey, (0+ / 0-)

    “How are we going to keep from wiping ourselves out?”
    Sul’ma’ejote

    That Giant Sucking Sound Is Wall Street Billionaires Drinking Your Blood.

    by olo on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 10:26:00 PM PDT

    •  I was greatly puzzled by your post (0+ / 0-)

      Now, less so.

      Sul’ma’ejote a.k.a. Darryl Babe Wilson

      http://nasp.ucr.edu/...

      I won't answer for Darcy, but I hope I don't offend by offering my answer. It's really Chris Hedges' answer.

      From July 20, 2012:
      http://billmoyers.com/...

      Hedges doesn't think we will avoid wiping ourselves out. He doesn't use that as an excuse to stop trying.

      Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

      by Just Bob on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 11:18:53 PM PDT

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