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Oh, you mean government did build that? Oops.
Well, the Romney campaign did it again. Another day, another set of local business owners cited by the Mitt camp as having gotten where they are without the help of government exposed as hugely dependent on government.

And this one, via the Tampa Bay Times, isn't even subtle:

The point of the 11 a.m. news conference was to stress that small business owners succeed because of their own grit and determination and don't need government to do it. [...] In Tampa, the campaign spotlighted Rebecca Smith, owner of the construction company A.D. Morgan Corp., and Lou Ramos, owner of Value Enterprise Solutions, an information technology company.
Well, that sounds fine, then. John Galt would be proud. Wait—but what's this?
The A.D. Morgan Corporation employs 50 people and has annual revenues of about $80 million, according to its website. The company lists more than 130 projects and developments. Impressive, no doubt. But the list is nearly all government projects. [...]

"We're not going to have an opportunity in the private sector, they have a tendency to use lump sum, low bid," Smith said, explaining how government bids work. "So by virtue of what it is that we do, we go to the client base that purchases construction services that way."

So the company can't compete in the private sector, and deals almost exclusively in government-backed projects, but the owner is outraged that Obama would imply that government helps businesses. And here's the other one:
As for Ramos, his company's Facebook page describes Value Enterprise Solutions as "providing value added service/education to businesses, local government, federal government, Department of Defense, and industry contract organizations." [...]

In the Air Force for 24 years, Ramos dismissed the role it played in providing him the training and expertise to run his business today.

"It wasn't handed to me," Ramos said. "I worked my butt off. My military experience taught me integrity. But that didn't come from the government."

Oh, gawd. Keep in mind, this is after an entire week of ads events that similarly featured businesses that had received very direct help from the government. It appears that the Mitt Romney campaign is supported almost entirely by people whose businesses have received taxpayer money but are so arrogant that they're not willing to admit it. He's gone on a nationwide hunt to find Republican business owners who will feign outrage at Obama's suggestion that businesses are helped by government, and he apparently can find few to no actual businessmen in his camp who don't collect money directly from the freaking government?

So far, the only thing we have learned about businesspeople who support Romney is that they appear to uniformly be gigantic, self-aggrandizing, self-entitled assholes. Wow, what are the odds.

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  •  Not understanding the basics of government (30+ / 0-)

    It's sort of like that person with the sign "Keep your government hands off my medicare"...too many people in this country have literally no idea what role a healthy, normal government plays in their everyday lives.  This myth of the American hyperindividual and "pull mahself up by mah bootstraps" narrative has created a nation of idiots.

    •  not simply that myth (6+ / 0-)

      but more importantly, the great lie that government involvement = handout = a "non-working" labor force.  We have Ronald Reagan to thank for that one.

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:30:17 PM PDT

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    •  this is painfully true. (8+ / 0-)
      Not understanding the basics of government
      It's sort of like that person with the sign "Keep your government hands off my medicare"..
      my father, who was born before social security went into effect, and was an FDR democrat, had no idea how social security actually works. i, his cpa son, had to explain to him that both employee and employer contribute. since the employer's contribution isn't subject to tax, until you get it as part of your benefit check, similar to an IRA or 401(k). this was after i had to listen to him and my mom bitching about having to pay taxes on a small portion of their social security benefits, money that, according to them (wrong), had all already been subject to tax once. he was literally shocked when i explained that, no, not all of it had been, only the part that they had contributed.

      my parents are not stupid or uneducated people, but i know more about tax law, in my little finger, than the average person does, because that's what i've been doing for a living, for the past 30 years. mr. romney has no excuse, other than intentional ignorance.

      •  Social Security Education. (0+ / 0-)
        ....i know more about tax law, in my little finger, than the average person does
        This is important.

        Very few younger(ish) people have no clue about how SS is structured, the laws that cover where the money comes from, or goes to, the very basic fact that its costs are not part of the general budget, or that the accumulated pennies of the masses are being "borrowed" to pay for the tax cuts that enable billionaires to live the lifestyle of...billionaires.

        And, as you said, "my parents are not stupid or uneducated people," and neither are mine, but even they have very little understanding of the history of the system, what made it not just nice, but necessary, or the changing realities that have robbed today's workers of the pensions and other retirement benefits that used to accrue when you helped make a company successful, like the previous generation of returning WWII vets and their families enjoyed.  

        Or that the stagnation of wages which has this generation's families making less, in real terms, and unable to both provide for a family and save for retirement as society tells them they must.

        Or that social security will still exist when they retire, just like it was for previous generations - but only if they understand it and guard it zealously.

        Otherwise, there's a billionaire out there just waiting for the next opportunity to yell "Emergency!", and has a vault ready and waiting to keep everyone's money safe until the danger passes.  (Just sign this slip of paper recognizing that since I'm such a hero, if anything happens to the $2.5 trillion I'm protecting for you, I can't be held responsible).

        "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

        by Bcre8ve on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 08:35:16 PM PDT

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  •  Keep your government hands (29+ / 0-)

    off my government contracts!

    "We *can* go back to the Dark Ages! The crust of learning and good manners and tolerance is so thin!" -- Sinclair Lewis

    by Nespolo on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:03:48 PM PDT

  •  The delusion is strong with this one. n/t (15+ / 0-)

    "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

    by US Blues on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:05:10 PM PDT

  •  Wouldn't be too surprised if any of the (7+ / 0-)

    above companies got any interest- free government loans...

  •  Huh? (20+ / 0-)
    "I worked my butt off. My military experience taught me integrity. But that didn't come from the government."
    So, he worked for a private military group?  Mercenary?  WTF?

    The most violent element in society is ignorance.

    by Mr MadAsHell on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:08:55 PM PDT

  •  Not to mention that hers is a small, woman-owned (18+ / 0-)

    business, thus eligible for jobs set-aside for...well, small, woman-owned businesses. Also, larger contractors will use her as the "lead" in bidding for projects on which she'll be the prime contractor--and thus more competitive by virtue of being small and woman-owned--but the large contractor will do most of the work, as her "subcontractor."

    And I'll bet she just hates affirmative action! The douche-baggery is just overwhelming with these wingnuts!

    Two hundred million Americans, and there ain't two good catchers among 'em. --Casey Stengel

    by LongTom on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:09:34 PM PDT

  •  Must tell myself a campaign of idiots can't win. (3+ / 0-)
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    •  I'd be careful with that thought, just because (5+ / 0-)
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      SueDe, hnichols, BachFan, wa ma, Bcre8ve

      Romney's people are idiots doesn't mean a compliant media won't spin things in their favor, or flat out ignore what can't be spun. Outside of Maddow, Stewart, and Colbert, and maybe a few others, don't expect to hear anything about the Anglo-Saxon comment, or Romney's twisting the of Australian Foreign Minister's private conversation in the corporate media.

      The media wants and needs a horse race for ratings, and will do almost anything to get it, even if it means saddling the country with a president who would do more damage than the Bush Administration ever could.

      Can I have my vision back? I will live outside your city walls. - "Ride With Me" Steppenwolf

      by 135790 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:22:22 PM PDT

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      •  What's this? (0+ / 0-)

        Romney twisted a conversation with the Australian Foreign Minister?  Do you have a link?  Not that I would think something like that is beneath Romney, but it seems like the Aussie would raise holy hell about it, which I haven't heard about either.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:19:17 PM PDT

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        •  The Aussies did raise a bit of a stink. (3+ / 0-)
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          The minister wasn't happy about having his comments mischaracterized - and other governmental Aussies weighed in as well.

          Diary with links here.

          The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy... the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

          by lcbo on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:39:54 PM PDT

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          •  Thanks for the link. (0+ / 0-)

            Having to work for a living and taking care of all the dogs while everyone else around here in out of town is severely restricting my diary-reading time.

            "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

            by SueDe on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 07:00:02 AM PDT

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  •  All these businesses could just declare that they (7+ / 0-)

    are religious organizations and then they wouldn't have to pay taxes, or buy insurance for women employees or anything icky.  They could call themselves "The Church of . . . "  Oh wait.  I can't go there.  That's not the Anglo-Saxon way.

    I can’t decide who’s cuter – the dead guy with the arrows in his chest, or the guy in the ditch with the seeping wound. -- Game of Thrones (Heard on Set)

    by prodigal on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:10:56 PM PDT

  •  Air Force Pension (7+ / 0-)

     Does the fellow who spent 24 years in the Air Force get a good pension from that?  I hope so, he deserves it.  But I hope none of his pension helped him start his business.

    "We borrow this Earth from our Grandchildren."

    by Arizona Mike on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:10:57 PM PDT

    •  Of course his pension (3+ / 0-)
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      helped.

      At least he started a business instead of getting a job somewhere else in governement with military preferences and even more retirement benefits.  

      I just love how these repubs slurp up the taxpayers' dollars and complain about everyone else.

      The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

      by dfarrah on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:19:08 PM PDT

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    •  Defined benefit pension & health care (7+ / 0-)

      With 24 years service, yes he does have that rarest of benefits, once common, the defined benefit pension, not the self-contributed and risky 401K that most private sector employers (at least those who provide retirement) adopted 30 or so years ago.

      And with >20 service our friend also has full Tri-care medical benefits until Medicare kicks in, when Tri-care becomes the secondary medical insurance, all benefits complement of the Air Force, that is the federal government and that is the American public.

      As one who shares this fellow's good fortune (21 years in the Air Force) I find his apparent lack of basic gratitude to be disgusting. Would that everybody could enjoy the security of full coverage. Medicare for All!  Would taxes go up? Of course, but crap-canning the current arrangement (it is no system) of spending twice the per-capita amount of any other developed nation would more than offset that tax cost and we would have a SYSTEM, just like everybody else.

      Getting old ain't for sissies.

      by flatlander30 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:22:14 PM PDT

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      •  Taxes might go up with Medicare for All, (1+ / 0-)
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        Bcre8ve

        but with no insurance bill each month, individuals would save money and businesses would be relieved of an enormous responsibility - not to mention how their global competitiveness would be increased.  Additionally the overall savings to the federal budget would take the pressure off addressing the worst part of the long-term debt, which is health care costs.  No need to "reform" Social Security, unemployment compensation, child care credits, or any other program the Republicans now insist on cutting.

        Then we could start working on the monopoly patent system for drugs.

        But...'tis but a dream.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:42:07 PM PDT

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  •  Impressive (12+ / 0-)

    "The A.D. Morgan Corporation employs 50 people and has annual revenues of about $80 million."

    That's $1.6 million dollars in revenue per employee.

    That's double what companies like Microsoft have in per-employee revenue.

    How do they do it? Especially with a small number of people who can't take advantage of economies of scale.

    "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

    by bink on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:11:09 PM PDT

    •  Fat-assed, bloated government contracts. (9+ / 0-)

      Audit please.

      Romney - his fingernails have never been anything but manicured.

      by Pescadero Bill on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:20:52 PM PDT

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    •  And I suppose they call this a small business. (1+ / 0-)
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      wa ma

      by employee count OK.

      Do they consider the income?

      Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

      by DRo on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:56:56 PM PDT

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      •  It can get defined both ways. 80M is relatively (1+ / 0-)
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        DRo

        small.

        The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

        by CTMET on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:22:16 PM PDT

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        •  When the average Joe (2+ / 0-)
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          wa ma, Bcre8ve

          hears 'small business' he thinks the pizza shop, the beauty parlor or the corner deli.  That's why the cry of small business taxation is so deceiving.

          Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

          by DRo on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:46:52 PM PDT

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          •  Actually I think 80M is more like medium (2+ / 0-)
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            DRo, wa ma

            This is probably the best standard.

            http://www.sba.gov/...

            The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

            by CTMET on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:59:51 PM PDT

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          •  You (1+ / 0-)
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            DRo

            should take a walk through the list in the comment below that defines what the SBA considers "small" businesses. What is plain is that these are not the "Main Street" "Mom and Pop" operations that politicians allude to when they talk about "small" businesses.

            "Real" Mom-and-Pop's, like caterers, barbers, nail salons, they can grow to $7 million before they become "big".  (And does anyone know why most farming is designated at $750,000, while eggs aren't "big" until $25 million, or why when renting self-storage units, you're not "big' until you hit $25 million, but with other real estate rentals it happens at $2 million?)

            That the Koch brothers are considered to be a small business is enough for me to feel that the designation, in many cases, is just a ruse to steer lucrative small-business contract set-asides to friends with "small" businesses that build pistols with 1000 employees, and ammunition with up to 1500 employees.  Or a pipeline with up to 1500 employees and $35 million in revenue.  Or maybe a friend that has a "company" that funds int'l trade finance with up to $175 million in assets.

            Any future calls to cut taxes for "small" businesses in the future should either be laughed at outright, or be focused on the very bottom of the scale.

            But, then again, all of the Mom-and-Pop makers of "Military and Aerospace Equipment and Military Weapons" are definitely not going to be considered a "big" business until they break the $35 million mark.

            Anyone that produces laser-guided missiles that can re-write your license plate from outer space qualifies as a "real" small business, IMHO.

            "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

            by Bcre8ve on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 09:53:41 PM PDT

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  •  Not sure how much IT Ramos learned in the (12+ / 0-)

    Air Force, but he's got some 'nads saying he did it all on his own. The government contracting process also favors veteran-owned companies, not to mention the friends he  made who are still in the Air Force and can put in a good word for him.

    An end to "entitlements" indeed! I would so love to see schmucks like these two eat the gruel they want to serve to everybody else!

    Two hundred million Americans, and there ain't two good catchers among 'em. --Casey Stengel

    by LongTom on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:14:46 PM PDT

  •  Probably can't get his head around the idea that (2+ / 0-)
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    because he was born into a wealthy family, he had a head start in life either.

    Arthropod-brain approach to life has its rewards.

    Romney - his fingernails have never been anything but manicured.

    by Pescadero Bill on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:15:32 PM PDT

  •  Are there any actual companies (6+ / 0-)

    who actually sort of work in the free market who support Romney?

    You know, like a bakery, dry wall contractor, florist, law firm, internet provider, etc?

    Because this is really pathetic.

    Or are all of them really reality-based and they understand that they drive to work on roads, hire people who went to public schools, import goods through ports and fly on planes that the Air Traffic Control keeps in the sky?

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:15:58 PM PDT

    •  well, the bakery that did support him (7+ / 0-)

      may not anymore after he dissed their cookies, and the cafe owner that let him use her store and he didn't even speak to her and broke some of her icons, she's not so impressed any more either.

      To get close to Mitt is probably to dislike him.  So yeah, the sycophants are probably all government contractors trying to improve their position at the trough.

      •  an astute observation (2+ / 0-)
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        To get close to Mitt is probably to dislike him.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:01:27 PM PDT

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  •  Here are some numbers (6+ / 0-)
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    ThinkProgress’ analysis finds.

    Ball Office Products hosted the “We Did Build This” event in Richmond, Virginia. The company received a loan of $635,000 through the Small Business Administration in 2012, according to USASpending.gov. The company was also awarded a lucrative $52,525 contract with the General Services Administration just a year after its founding.

    Midwest Tapes, a media distributor of Holland, Ohio, was showcased at a local event andreceived stimulus funds under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. Midwest Tapes has been contracted by the Department of Defense since 2008, earning a cumulative $13,659.

    Columbus Truck and Equipment was featured in a neighboring event and has received $6,643 in contracts with the Department of Defense.

    Cranston Material Handling Equipment Corporation, the owner of which spoke Wednesday morning at a campaign event in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, has reaped a total of $61,729 in contracts with the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs since 2007.

    Systems Engineering Co.The owner of Systems Engineering has received a total of $180,200 in DOD contracts, as recently as last year.

    Larson Group, which sent its owner to the local Romney event in Missouri, was awarded $3,845 in stimulus funds.
    Brady Industries in Las Vegas has received $54,425 in contracts with Veterans Affairssince 2009.

    source

    VES  courses for DOD employees and contractors, some ranging from 2-6 days and $1500-$1900 a pop.
    source

    Specifically, the U.S. Department of Defense Directive 8570.1, signed in August 2004, requires every full- and part-time military service member, defense contractor, civilian and foreign employee with privileged access to a DoD system, regardless of job series or occupational specialty, to obtain a commercial certification credential that has been accredited by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI).
    The hypocrisy is astonishing and unsurprising.
  •  Mr. Ramos: (9+ / 0-)

    Integrity.

    You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

  •  just like the tea party folks (1+ / 0-)
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    who rail against the govt threatening to take over their Medicare ... or who wave anti-govt signs from their govt-supplied wheelchairs ... all of a piece, ain't it?

  •  I talked to a business owner about this...... (3+ / 0-)
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    ....does all contract work with local governments, and totally does not comprehend how dependent he is.

    "I Welcome Their Hatred." - FDR

    by dehrha02 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:21:54 PM PDT

    •  well, of course not (3+ / 0-)
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      the contracts aren't "given" to them, you know like welfare benefits, they have to bid for them, and that's work.  Ergo, they work for this.

      Maybe not lying, just completely misunderstanding the idea of interlocking dependencies.  And in sore need of a dictionary to understand what the word "help" actually means.

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:36:18 PM PDT

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    •  Doesn't he see how (1+ / 0-)
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      wa ma

      his business will shrink when local govt can't afford to build whatever he builds for them?  Because his party thinks it's more important to cut taxes?

      This guy is a poster child for how cutting taxes does NOT create jobs.

  •  Thank you for a fun read! now a question: (0+ / 0-)

    This must be the "eleventy-seventh" FP story today highlighting how bad Mittens is.

    We all know that. Duh. So what's the point?

    It is beginning to appear to this outside observer that all DK, the Democratic party and the Obama campaign have is "Look how bad Romney is!  Vote for us!"

    Is that really wise?

    I reiterate I speak as a non-"American", and perhaps I do not understand entirely how your electioneering succeeds. But to me, there must be more than "He sux!!"

    IMVHO.

    I know you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. -- S.I. Hayakawa

    by tapu dali on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:23:01 PM PDT

    •  Well, here's the thing; some 48% of the eligible (3+ / 0-)
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      polled voters think he's better then President Obama. That's a hell of a lot of people that probably don't know, or don't want to know the truth about the slick, lying campaign Romney and his powerful, wealthy backers are running.

      We are up against a propaganda machine with virtually unlimited funds perpetrating lies on the American people in order to amass even more power and wealth.

      These posts aren't just "He sux!!", they're the truth. And the truth must be hammered at constantly in this corrupt, imperious environment.

      Romney - his fingernails have never been anything but manicured.

      by Pescadero Bill on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:34:31 PM PDT

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      •  I understand and appreciate your point. (0+ / 0-)

        But how many of those read DK to get the truth of which you speak?

        Isn't this an exercise in navel-gazing and preaching to the choir?

        Or will DK FP stories get any distribution outside of the Left blogosphere?

        If they do, I'm all for it!  But I'd like some evidence that this is in fact happening.

        I know Romney is an idiot, a liar, and a jerk. You don't need to convince me (not that it matters much since I don't have the vote in your country anyway). How do you think these FP stories will influence the 48%?

        As I said, I'm an outsider and this how I see it. Thank you for the reply! And I mean that.

        I know you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. -- S.I. Hayakawa

        by tapu dali on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:44:38 PM PDT

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    •  Let me look that up for you.... (2+ / 0-)
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      Just went down the front page an saw all sorts of content discussing other stuff.

      http://lmgtfy.com/  is your friend

      "I Welcome Their Hatred." - FDR

      by dehrha02 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:36:29 PM PDT

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      •  of course there is. (0+ / 0-)

        Maybe I'm wrong. I just see a lot of "Look what an idiot Romney is" stories and diaries.

        I know you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. -- S.I. Hayakawa

        by tapu dali on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:48:59 PM PDT

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        •  Target-rich environment (0+ / 0-)

          And a lot of genuine, dumb-founded, can our country really have slid to the point where this is a serious contender?

          •  I believe I said Romney is a liar (0+ / 0-)

            And an idiot. Why are you attacking me?  I just think the "look everybody how stoopid Romney is" methodology here is preaching to the choir.

            And I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but I find the "Mitt Diaries" nightly series to be childish. Then again I'm not an American. Although Canada is part of North America.

            Or are we Canuckistan?

            And I did say that Willard Mlton (Mitt) Romney is a liar, a jerk, an idiot, and a total a$$h@  OK?

            I know you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. -- S.I. Hayakawa

            by tapu dali on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:42:16 PM PDT

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    •  Seriously that's all you saw? (0+ / 0-)

      Not the eleventy seven stories about what the O administration has accomplished, how much more it would do if the Rs did not obstruct, how much energy has to be expended keeping the Rs from further screwing us?

      Try again

  •  Ramos' military experience taught him (5+ / 0-)

    integrity, but that didn't come from government?  Who runs the military on taxpayer dollars?  The government.  Who pays the personnel that serve in the military with those taxpayer dollars?  The government.    Who provides training to military personnel with taxpayer dollars?  The government.

    And he took all that (and probably a pension if he served 24 years) and built his business selling things to the government.

    Either he didn't learn integrity despite all the taxpayer dollars spent on him, or he's thick as a plank.

  •  Slaves? (3+ / 0-)
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    Hey all you business folk feeding at the public trough, don't you know the government is trying to enslave you with it's "assistance"?

  •  I have been trying to think of a business (1+ / 0-)
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    person who was not helped by the government.

    I had an ancestor, born in New York, who went out into the wilderness where there were no roads or bridges and built his cabin/trading post, trapped fur-bearing animals, traded with the natives and was quite successful at it.

    But even that didn't work as a business owner who did it on his own. He did it on land wrested from the previous owners by the US miitary.

  •  The Reagan legacy writ large here (1+ / 0-)
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    Note the responses from the folks featured in the ads: thanks to Reagan era government "help" for these people is a code word for "handout" and nothing more.

    The strong insistence that "I worked my butt off", as if working hard is mutually exclusive from government involvement.

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:28:10 PM PDT

    •  Just goes to show (0+ / 0-)

      that they really don't understand the concept behind one of their pet talking points:

      A hand up instead of a handout.

      The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy... the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

      by lcbo on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:46:07 PM PDT

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  •  Must've been in a private "army" (0+ / 0-)
    My military experience taught me integrity. But that didn't come from the government."
    Blackwater?

    It's tough getting through to people with a willingness to suspend their relationship with reality.

    I want a living planet, not just a living room.

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:28:34 PM PDT

  •  I have a feeling I'll be using this pic a lot... (4+ / 0-)
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  •  for this comment alone, (1+ / 0-)
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    My military experience taught me integrity. But that didn't come from the government."
    mr. ramos should be banned from ever again being awarded a government contract, god only knows the quality of work his company produces. he spent 24 years in the air force, and learned nothing.

    here's the thing, nearly any business, of any size, with a few notable exceptions, benefits from the government, either directly (being awarded the contract), or indirectly (subcontracting to do work for the winner of the government contract). their employees spend their wages (mostly locally), on food, housing, clothing, etc., buffing up other local businesses. that was kind of the whole point of the stimulus bill in 2009, the ripple effect of those dollars on the entire community.

    it becomes painfully clear that mr. romney, his MBA notwithstanding, knows virtually nothing about how our economy (or any capitalist based economy, here or elsewhere) works, beyond some basic fantasy he's dreamed up. all that fine schooling, and he really is just an idiot, outside of his very narrow niche.

  •  Has he told folks in London their health care sux? (2+ / 0-)
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    "Mitt Romney: An American American for America's America!"

    by here4tehbeer on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:33:59 PM PDT

  •  do these jerks ever stop to consider (2+ / 0-)
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    what will become of their companies when the government has been shrunk to the size of a bathtub? they make me sick.

  •  Can we just say the following and be done with (3+ / 0-)
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    this?

    "People that believe they have built any kind of business 'by themselves' are extreme narcissists who can't see past the end of their own dicks. Did you yourself buy all of your own products? Did you yourself build the roads that you drive your self-produced Ford Econoline to your building which you yourself built by hand? Did you educate yourself from birth up until the present moment?  Did you yourself pay for the materiel used to build your business with money that you yourself printed on your own currency press? Or did you yourself mine the ore/log the trees/drill the oil/hand-build the electronic device which you sell? Well, did you? If not, YOU DIDN'T FUCKING BUILD IT 'YOURSELF,' NOW DID YOU?"

    It is a sign of how horrible half the people in our country are that this line of attack seems to be working to an extent. No way in hell do more than 10% of the people buying this bullshit argument by the Republicans own their own business anyway. I just love middle- and working-class people who work in a cubicle or a factory line who "built it themselves." Congratulations on going to work like everybody else - you sure are something special, aren't you, Mr. Assistant Manager John Galt, Jr.? Big timin' and shit.

  •  the stupid, it burns (0+ / 0-)
    the Mitt Romney campaign is supported almost entirely by people whose businesses have received taxpayer money
    that's probably because no legal entity operating in America is doing so without at least a governmental blessing on the paperwork. i mean, IANAL, but, surely some idjit on the romney staff can see this train that keeps hitting them day after day.  :)

    mitt may have been a ruthless corporate vampire, but i wonder how his haircutting bullshit would play against the top earners in the somalian economy.

    a functioning government is the difference between executive and warlord, mitt.

    Is this an election or a buyout?

    by papa monzano on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:42:42 PM PDT

  •  The cognitive dissonance is the problem (2+ / 0-)
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    "It wasn't handed to me," Ramos said. "I worked my butt off. My military experience taught me integrity. But that didn't come from the government."
    Romney will have no trouble getting people to yell 'hell yeah' I got no help from the government. Medicare, the military, all these things aren't thought of as 'the government'.

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:58:37 PM PDT

  •  Maybe folks ought to email these a**holes (0+ / 0-)

    and remind them that THEY are sucking from the government teat, the very government they seem to dislike.  Wait until Mittens takes over (oh, gawd, please, no) and see their government contracts dry up.

    Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

    by MA Liberal on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:07:03 PM PDT

    •  They should already be seeing it (0+ / 0-)

      But are too stupid.  Govt spending has been slashed at the local level, R governors refuse stimulus funds, a second round of stimulus was blocked by the Rs, the first stimulus had to be larded with tax cuts instead of spending.

      They should already be seeing it, in the infrastructure crumbling around us, govt services cut to the bone

  •  of course these gritty self determined types (0+ / 0-)

    Deliver their own mail to themselves and never purchase stamps among the other litany of goods and services their TAXES so unfairly pay for like roads, electricity, , airports.. They just use horses and buggies.

  •  Exactly. Assholes. Say it loud! (0+ / 0-)

    These people are assholes.

    We need to say it to other people more often.

    No more nice.

    They're ASSHOLES!

    The Fail will continue until actual torches and pitchforks are set in motion. - Pangolin@kunstler.com

    by No one gets out alive on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:36:19 PM PDT

  •  Talk about voting against your own interests (0+ / 0-)

    These are precisely the guys who would probably do well with infrastructure/stimulus spending.

  •  What are the odds?? Pretty high when your name is (0+ / 0-)

    Mitt Romney and you select people who are just like yourself.

    You look in the mirror and you ask, "Is he/she like me?"

    In those circumstances, all you will get are people who appear to uniformly be gigantic, self-aggrandizing, self-entitled assholes.

    Not surprising at all.

    "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." -- Patrick Henry

    by BornDuringWWII on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:43:29 PM PDT

  •  How about the administration announce that it is (0+ / 0-)

    sensative to the concerns of individualist business owners in the country, and will be launching a review of contracts to ensure that, to the greatest extent possible, business owners who claim the government has nothing to do with the success of their business are not embarassing themselves by misspeaking in public.

    •  or maybe the administration could... (0+ / 0-)

      imprint on every check issued to a government contractor, Medicare recipient or other individual or entity receiving a payment or benefit: "Compliments of the US taxpayers"?

      When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick." ~ Mikhail Bakunin

      by Sick Semper on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 07:23:59 PM PDT

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  •  integrity didn't come, period. (0+ / 0-)
    "I worked my butt off. My military experience taught me integrity. But that didn't come from the government."
    ... er, yeah, apparently not.
  •  There's dense,... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and then there's Romney dense.  There's clueless, and then there's Romney clueless.

    I'm too [insert adjective of choice, e.g., sane] to vote Republican.

    by Linus Too on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 02:22:41 AM PDT

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