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I see that Oxfam is calling for the regulation of bullets and I wonder why this hasn't been proposed as a means of gun control.

Nothing in the 2nd Amendment appears to speak to a constitutional right to have bullets.  If you proposed a one gun one bullet law you wouldn't be taking away anyone's right to "bear arms" but you would be closely limiting what they could do with those arms.

Some of the right wing blogs have picked up on the Oxfam theme and are encouraging people to buy as much ammunition as possible.  

The One Gun One Bullet law would not grandfather in any ammunition purchases previously made.  You'd have a certain length of time to dispose of the excess ammunition.  After that, you'd be in violation.

Is this a silly idea?  

5:06 PM PT: I can see I set myself up for one word answers which explain nothing.  If you think it's a silly idea, why not tell us why you think it's a silly idea.

I did also see Chris Rock's modest proposal for bullet control.  

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  •  Chris Rock proposed bullet control in 1999 (1+ / 0-)
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  •  When guns are outlawed only outlaws (2+ / 0-)
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    kestrel9000, Pete Cortez

    will have guns.    When "bullets" are outlawed only outlaws and the 1% will be running rampant with firearms.   I can't understand how any thinking progressive would become a puppet of the 1% and who would want a nation where the masses are sheep that can present no threat or obstacle to the elite taking over the country and our rights at will.     Firearms serves as the only perceived balance of power that still exists in the USA,  as far as the 1% vs middle class.  

    No one expects a takeover by the 1%, but that is because 300 million Americans with firearms serves as a major deterrent.    

    I've been a law abiding firearm owner for decades and it outrages me to see those who know only one thing......how to be a sniveling puppet for the 1%.   It is the wealthy like M. Bloomberg with his own NYPD and private protection,  who want the masses turned into serfs without rights of protection or gun ownership.      

    The elite want us disarmed first and then they want our Social Security and pensions.    

    Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

    by dailykozzer on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:31:31 PM PDT

    •  but a lot of the shooters (Aurora included) (0+ / 0-)

      aren't 'outlaws', considering they purchased these things legally.

    •  Dream On (1+ / 0-)
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      "...No one expects a takeover by the 1%, but that is because 300 million Americans with firearms serves as a major deterrent..."  
      I don't think so.  The 1% maintain that control through the police and court system and, in the final event, the military they've had you buy and pay for.  Somehow or another, the gun owners of this nation only seem to be able to talk tough without actually moving against their overlords.

      "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

      by PrahaPartizan on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:41:19 PM PDT

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      •  DK's certainly a big tent. (0+ / 0-)

        You've got active military, law enforcement, veterans,  families of all three and whatever Praha is all on one site.

      •  The 1% want the serfs paranoid of each other (0+ / 0-)

        instead of paranoid of a change in government policy that wants each of us treated as guilty until proven innocent.  9-11 was the beginning of this loss of privacy and rights and we are like the frog that is boiled alive because the changes are gradual.   There have been beneficiaries of all of this and few are serfs and 99%.

        Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

        by dailykozzer on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 05:33:48 AM PDT

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    •  with all due respect, your argument is insane (0+ / 0-)

      If you really feel this way, vs. snark, then please see a counselor or therapist, quickly. Thank you.

      Firearms serves as the only perceived balance of power that still exists in the USA,  as far as the 1% vs middle class.
      •  Perhaps it is you that (0+ / 0-)

        is insane if you think that the elite would not prefer that the serfs be disarmed,  just as they have throughout thousands of years of history, so they can pillage and plunder our pensions and retirements at will..  

        This is nothing new as the bankers that control our government created an economic breakdown so they could buy public assets cheaply and repossess homes.  Buy cheap sell high. The next step is our Social Security.. They want Americans in debt, watching foolish TV,  and they want our internet controlled and censored under the pretense that protecting Hollywood's digital content is more important than freedom.

        Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

        by dailykozzer on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 05:18:55 AM PDT

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  •  Arms (5+ / 0-)

    are kind of useless without ammo, aren't they?

    Nothing in the 2nd Amendment appears to speak to a constitutional right to have bullets.
    If arms don't work when you bear them, they're not arms.

    Geesh. Some people will grasp at anything.

    "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

    by kestrel9000 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:42:14 PM PDT

  •  Something needs to be done (0+ / 0-)

    There should be no way that anyone can order 6,000 bullets (especially armor piercing ones) on the Internet.  I've hear that Holmes did most of his gun transactions on the Internet.  That is hardly the place for an honest interaction.  

    I think regulating bullets is a sensible thing.  I don't think a crowd of semi-automatic rifle owners walking down the street in NYC would do anything to make the 1% change their position.  You are fooling yourself if you think you can outdo the police state in its current configuration.  I don't care if every citizen in NYC came out with a gun, ready to shoot anyone that had a silk suit or a police uniform.  Not going to happen.  You saw what happened when peaceful people holding a peaceful demonstration got broken up by the police goon squad.  I'm not in favor of police state tactics, but I'm not expecting Joe Citizen to come out with his shotgun and threaten a policeman.  All that will do is cause the police to shoot him down.  If right to bear arms is the equivalent to the right to commit suicide by cop, then be my guest.  

    We need to find ways that cities can control the guns in its area.  If you don't like that, then go out into the rural areas where guns have a more reasonable place along with the bullet proof vested dear and rabbits.  I expect there must be hundreds of deaf dear out in the country just waiting to get shot by the 100 round magazine that can be had on the Internet.  Talk about waste.  No way a guy could dress out 100 dear and use the meat without waste.  That capability to stand up to The Man would only result in death.  

    My wife's co-worker had her three year old son killed a month ago because of an unsecured hand gun in the home.  Imagine the guilt she and her husband must be facing now.  That scene happens all throughout America.  Guns and bullets kill, whether in the hands of a criminal or an innocent child.  Give us a break.  

    "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength", George Orwell, "1984" -7.63 -5.95

    by dangoch on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:47:58 PM PDT

    •  Wow. What a nostalgic mess. (1+ / 0-)
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      We're even bringing up the old wives' tale about "armor piercing" rounds.  

      And what's the big deal about 6000 rounds?  You can easily go through a thousand on the range.  

      •  If you've never been to the range, 6000 (1+ / 0-)
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        sounds like a lot.

        Unfamiliarity and ignorance, along with an overblown estimation of risk, plays heavily into this.

        Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

        by Robobagpiper on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 04:11:34 AM PDT

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  •  Paint you a picture :) (2+ / 0-)
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    happymisanthropy, Robobagpiper

    Several years ago I shot a cougar who has come down out of the mountains and was doing things it shouldn't in the valley.

    The week before I shot it it was in the campground of the national forest up the hill where it killed a small dog in front of its five year old owner.

    When it showed up at my farm it was going after my calf. It took two bullets to kill it. Now are you going to volunteer to come stay with the wounded cougar while I drive 3  hours 1 way to get another bullet?

    Pobably not.

    It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

    by PSWaterspirit on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:54:36 PM PDT

    •  I think the 'one bullet' thing was used to (1+ / 0-)
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      Sharon Wraight

      illustrate a point--not literally 1 bullet.

      •  Literalist Idiots Have Overrun the Planet (1+ / 0-)
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        The conservative  crowd which believes in the libertarian crap about the 2nd Amendment can't understand irony or sarcasm.  What's truly funny is that they quote the 2nd Amendment incessantly - the parts they like.  They rail against that portion which demands the well-regulated militia.  That would impose registering guns and ammunition, something they're so afraid of that you can see the brown stains on their pants when it's discussed.

        "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

        by PrahaPartizan on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:20:51 PM PDT

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  •  Why is it a silly idea? (1+ / 0-)
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    Robobagpiper

    I can make bullets.  Give me a bullet mold and some tire wheel weights, and I can cast pistol bullets.  Or, give me a lathe, copper tubing, and lead, and I can cast jacketed bullets.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win". Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by DaveinBremerton on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:10:07 PM PDT

  •  Ill rec you, but bullets are kind of implicit... (2+ / 0-)
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    happymisanthropy, bajadudes

    ... one of the issues not generally understood is just how many people MAKE THERE OWN bullets.

    Bullets are not cheap, that idiot in Aurora spent $thousands on bullets and $thousands more on the weapons.

    Many of the people I know who hunt and target shoot have the equipment to make there own rounds, they do it for cost and because you can more precisely control quality.

    Just saying. If you want to regulate bullets, you need to include all the equipment used by individuals to manufacture their own.

  •  Swiss Example (1+ / 0-)
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    Every citizen in the Swiss Confederation gets a rifle (an assault rifle, no less) when then become old enough to serve in the national armed forces.  They get to keep it at home.  They get to keep some ammo for it at home too.  The last time I read, the reservist gets to hold five rounds.  If they need more, they'll get more when they arrive at their rallying point for their military unit.  That's a good definition for a well-regulated militia too.  Maybe we should try using it.

    "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

    by PrahaPartizan on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:24:05 PM PDT

    •  You have read incorrectly. Only the government (2+ / 0-)
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      issued ammo is under seal. Swiss citizens are perfectly free to buy their own for target and practice purposes.

      The notion that "you have to keep your ammo under seal" is exactly the opposite of "well regulated", since - in Constitutional parlance - that phrase means well trained & equipped.

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 04:15:08 AM PDT

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      •  Only In Libertarians View (0+ / 0-)

        Since when does "well regulated" mean only well-trained and equipped?  Only a believer in the total inability for the government to regulate weapons ownership in the US would accept that.  The early nation passed laws which imposed quite demanding regulations on gun ownership.  Admittedly, those laws required citizens to own and maintain and register their gun ownership, but those laws were passed by what any reasonable person would consider Founding Fathers.

        BTW, can you provide some links on that unfettered right of Swiss citizens to purchase as much ammo as they want for their unregistered weapons?

        "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

        by PrahaPartizan on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 10:24:03 PM PDT

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    •  And yet (1+ / 0-)
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      with all these military arms, Switzerland is a very safe place. The question is, why don't more Swiss snap and go on deadly rampages, with the tools right there at hand?

      That's the question...

      "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

      by happy camper on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 12:52:38 PM PDT

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  •  US Military Example (1+ / 0-)
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    How many US military bases allow soldier, sailors and marines wander around a base not subject to imminent attack with loaded weapons?  Most examples that I've seen indicate that the ammunition is handed out as needed for going to fire training or on a mission.  Hell, even those old Vietnam movie pictures one sees shows the quartermasters distributing ammo to the troops heading for their helicopters, which implies that box loads of bullets aren't being kept in the barracks.  Why should civilians be subject to different controls on instruments of force?

    "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

    by PrahaPartizan on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:28:00 PM PDT

  •  How many bullets does it take (0+ / 0-)

    to rob a convenience store?

    Medic Alert: Do not resuscitate under a Republican administration.

    by happymisanthropy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 07:27:51 PM PDT

  •  I am a competitive sport shooter (3+ / 0-)

    I use a Dillon 1050 to make precise ammunition for my practice and competitions.  It can make approx 1,000 rounds per hour.  I on average shoot approx 2-3 thousand rounds per month and it is not uncommon for me to have 10 to 15 thousand rounds on hand at any given time.

    I am all for responsible gun ownership meaning I have no problem with waiting periods, background checks, a serious registry of people that have been deemed mentally incompetent and I even advocate for some sort of serious mandatory training to demonstrate competency.

    I do not support or think that ammo restrictions are going to do anything. The violence in this country is born out of the policies of Republican conservatives.  They are the reason for economic inequality, economic despair, lack of serious commitment to education and health care including mental health, lack of opportunity,  insane drug war policy and a host of other smug feel good policies that lead people into despair and lives of crime.  Address those issue and violent crime will go down.  Ammunition restrictions are not the answer and there are legitimate uses and reasons to have large amounts of it.

    He died with his potential intact.

    by bajadudes on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 07:51:25 PM PDT

  •  How about taxing the hell out of bullets? (0+ / 0-)

    You know? A sin tax. It semi-worked for cigarettes. Additionally, a source of increased revenue to provide medical help for those injured by gunmen.

    Whose bread I eat, his song I sing.

    by Hanging Up My Tusks on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 08:16:59 PM PDT

  •  It is a stupid idea, because (2+ / 0-)
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    limiting bullets is basically a de facto ban, since a gun is pretty much useless without bullets-- obviously. This attempt at misdirection has been considered back in the 90's during the Clinton administration.

  •  Just two thoughts, (0+ / 0-)

    First after Oklahoma City purchasing large amounts of fertilizer was prohibited. Because that was the weapon of choice for McVeigh.
    Second if a middle eastern sounding name was to purchase this much ammunition on the interenet wouldn't someone know about it, and if the shooter was Muslim would we be enacting legislation to prevent this from happening again? Just some thoughts I had today.

    •  don't think terrorism would deter the (0+ / 0-)

      2nd amdt. crowd.

      The proposed legislation would be to regulate Muslims LONG before any legislation would be allowed to regulate weapons.

    •  Not prohibited (1+ / 0-)
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      KVoimakas

      but tracked if you buy it in huge amounts. You can still buy bags of fertilizer at the big box stores without signing for it.

      There are no legal limits on ammunition purchases. Many target shooters use large quantities of ammo. Six thousand sounds like a lot, but it isn't.

      "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

      by happy camper on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 12:58:09 PM PDT

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  •  Keep dreaming. (2+ / 0-)
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    A growing number of states are liberalizing their gun laws, and with four Democratic co-sponsors to date S.2188 probably has a majority.

    In a country as free as ours, you will never win an argument on how to curtail violence by demanding law-abiding citizens give up the right and means to defend, feed and amuse themselves.  Unless you're unreasonably hung up on guns period, it's time you examined other avenues.

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