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from the fec website there is this little rule - one where we've worried would be broken with the pacs after citizen's united.  and what is that rule?  well, here is the actual text from the federal elections commission:

Can non-US citizens contribute?
Foreign nationals are prohibited from making any contributions or expenditures in connection with any election in the U.S. Please note, however, that "green card" holders (i.e., individuals lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the U.S.) are not considered foreign nationals and, as a result, may contribute. For additional information, consult our "Foreign Nationals" brochure.


romney? fundraisers? london? israel?  

wait a minute - let me check that whole "foreign nationals" thing...

the page on this at the federal election commission of the united states government makes this clarification:

The ban on political contributions and expenditures by foreign nationals was first enacted in 1966 as part of the amendments to the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), an "internal security" statute.  The goal of the FARA was to minimize foreign intervention in U.S. elections by establishing a series of limitations on foreign nationals.  These included registration requirements for the agents of foreign principals and a general prohibition on political contributions by foreign nationals.  In 1974, the prohibition was incorporated into the Federal Election Campaign Act (the FECA), [HTML] [PDF] giving the Federal Election Commission (FEC) jurisdiction over its enforcement and interpretation.

This brochure has been developed to help clarify the rules regarding the political activity of foreign nationals; however, it is not intended to provide an exhaustive discussion of the election law.  If you have any questions after reading this, please contact the FEC in Washington, D.C., at 1-800-424-9530 or 202-694-1100.  Members of the press should contact the FEC Press Office at 202-694-1220 or at the toll free number listed above.

Except where otherwise noted, all citations refer to the Act and FEC regulations.  Advisory Opinions (AOs) issued by the Commission are also cited.

aha!  this isn't a "rule" or "regulation" - it is a prohibition incorporated into the Federal Election Campaign Act (the FECA), so it's law of the land.

a little more study is required here - JUST to be sure...

that same link defines exactly WHO is a "foreign national"

Who is a Foreign National?
The following groups and individuals are considered "foreign nationals" and are, therefore, subject to the prohibition:

Foreign governments;
Foreign political parties;
Foreign corporations;
Foreign associations;                                  
Foreign partnerships;
Individuals with foreign citizenship; and
Immigrants who do not have a "green card."

now, if you have a "green card", you're okay - you're an exception.  but!

(same link as above)

Domestic Subsidiaries and Foreign-Owned Corporations
A U.S. subsidiary of a foreign corporation or a U.S. corporation that is owned by foreign nationals may be subject to the prohibition, as discussed below.

PAC Contributions for Federal Activity

A domestic subsidiary of a foreign corporation may not establish a federal political action committee (PAC) to make federal contributions if:

The foreign parent corporation finances the PAC's establishment, administration, or solicitation costs; or
Individual foreign nationals:
Participate in the operation of the PAC;
Serve as officers of the PAC;
Participated in the selection of persons who operate the PAC; or
Make decisions regarding PAC contributions or expenditure.  11 CFR 110.20(i).
(See also AOs 2000-17, 1995-15, 1990-8, 1989-29, and 1989-20.)

but wait! there's MORE!
Corporate Contributions for Nonfederal Activity
Additionally, a domestic subsidiary of a foreign corporation (or a domestic corporation owned by foreign nationals) may not donate funds or anything of value in connection with state or local elections if:

These activities are financed by the foreign parent or owner; or
Individual foreign nationals are involved in any way in the making of donations to nonfederal candidates and committees.[1]
Please note that many states place additional restrictions on donations made to nonfederal candidates and committees.  11 CFR 110.20(i).  (See also AOs 1992-16, 1985-3, 1982-10, and Matter Under Review (MUR) 2892.)

but now we get to the meat and potatoes of this issue!
Volunteer Activity
Generally, an individual may volunteer personal services to a federal candidate or federal political committee without making a contribution.  The Act provides this volunteer "exemption" as long as the individual performing the service is not compensated by anyone.  11 CFR 100.74.  The Commission has addressed applicability of this exemption to volunteer activity by a foreign national, as explained below.

In AO 1987-25, the Commission allowed a foreign national student to provide uncompensated volunteer services to a Presidential campaign.  By contrast, the decision in AO 1981-51 prohibited a foreign national artist from donating his services in connection with fundraising for a Senate campaign.[2]

Non-election Activity by Foreign Nationals
Despite the general prohibition on foreign national contributions and donations, foreign nationals may lawfully engage in political activity that is not connected with any election to political office at the federal, state, or local levels.  The FEC has clarified such activity with respect to individuals' activities.

so, a foreign national can get involved on an ISSUE but NOT a candidate's campaign on ANY level during an election, even one way downticket!.
In AO 1989-32, the Commission concluded that although foreign nationals could make disbursements solely to influence ballot issues, a foreign national could not contribute to a ballot committee that had coordinated its efforts with a nonfederal candidate's re-election campaign.  the second section expressly points out that opposing an "issue" (such as bias in the media) is okay as long as there is NO mention of candidates/political offices/parties/incumbant federal officeholders or any past or future election!  (WOW! THAT'S harsh!  a ban throughout history!)

In AO 1984-41, the Commission allowed a foreign national to underwrite the broadcast of apolitical ads that attempted to expose the alleged political bias of the media.  The Commission found that these ads were not election influencing because they did not mention candidates, political offices, political parties, incumbent federal officeholders or any past or future election.[3]

not done here yet and i really DO have a VERY SIGNIFICANT POINT TO MAKE at the end of this diary - wait for it.... wait for it!!!

check out these two sets of "restrictions" and see if you are going where i'm going with this...

Assisting Foreign National Contributions or Donations

Under Commission regulations  it is unlawful to knowingly provide substantial assistance to foreign nationals making contributions or donations in connection with any U.S. election.  11 CFR 110.20(h).  "Substantial assistance" refers to active involvement in the solicitation, making, receipt or acceptance of a foreign national contribution or donation with the intent of facilitating the successful completion of the transaction.  This prohibition includes, but is not limited to individuals who act as conduits or intermediaries.  67 FR 69945-6 (November 19, 2002) [PDF].

Soliciting, Accepting, or Receiving Contributions and Donations from Foreign Nationals

As noted earlier, the Act prohibits knowingly soliciting, accepting or receiving contributions or donations from foreign nationals.  In this context, "knowingly" means that a person:

Has actual knowledge that the funds solicited, accepted, or received are from a foreign national;
Is aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to believe that the funds solicited, accepted, or received are likely to be from a foreign national;
Is aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to inquire whether the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national.
11 CFR 110.20(a)(4)(i), (ii) and (iii).

Pertinent facts that may lead to inquiry by the recipient include, but are not limited to the following: A donor or contributor uses a foreign passport, provides a foreign address,

makes a contribution from a foreign bank, or resides abroad.  Obtaining a copy of a current and valid U.S. passport would satisfy the duty to inquire whether the funds solicited, accepted, or received are from a foreign national.  11 CFR 110.20(a)(7).

okay.... here's the process when foreign nationals are suspected of making a contribution:
Monitoring Prohibited Contributions
When a federal political committee (a committee active in federal elections) receives a contribution it believes may be from a foreign national, it must:

Return the contribution to the donor without depositing it; or
Deposit the contribution and take steps to determine its legality, as described below.
Either action must be taken within 10 days of the treasurer's receipt.  11 CFR 103.3(b)

If the committee decides to deposit the contribution, the treasurer must make sure that the funds are not spent because they may have to be refunded.  Additionally, he or she must maintain a written record explaining why the contribution may be prohibited.[4]  11 CFR 103.3(b)(4) and (5).  The legality of the contribution must be confirmed within 30 days of the treasurer's receipt, or the committee must issue a refund.[5]

If the committee deposits a contribution that appears to be legal, but later discovers that the deposited contribution is from a foreign national, it must refund the contribution within 30 days of making the discovery.  If a committee lacks sufficient funds to make a refund when a prohibited contribution is discovered, it must use the next funds it receives.  11 CFR 103.3(b)(1) and (2).

okaaaaaaaaayyyyyy - ready for the punch line?

here it comes in spades!

ROMNEY IS HOLDING FUNDRAISERS IN LONDON!  he's holding them with barclays bankers and more -

Barclays executives have donated over $1 million to Romney’s campaign, according to the Guardian, and many are expected to be in attendance at Thursday’s fundraiser, raising eyebrows on both sides of the pond.

Former Barclays CEO Bob Diamond bowed out as host of Romney’s fundraiser after resigning in the wake of a scandal in which major banks colluded to artificially lower the London interbank offered rate (LIBOR), the rate at which banks loan to one another. Diamond has donated $2,500 to the Romney campaign.

but, he isn't stopping there - he has many MORE "foreign nationals" attending...
Former Barclays CEO Bob Diamond bowed out as host of Romney’s fundraiser after resigning in the wake of a scandal in which major banks colluded to artificially lower the London interbank offered rate (LIBOR), the rate at which banks loan to one another. Diamond has donated $2,500 to the Romney campaign.

Eighty-two other Barclays employees have donated to Romney, according to the Associated Press. Patrick Durkin, Barclays’ chief lobbyist in D.C., is a co-host and has raised more than $1 million for Romney.

this is not setting well with the brits...
Headlines in the last few days have drawn the connection between Romney, his financial industry-focused fundraiser and the LIBOR scandal, threatening to bolster Democrats’ message that Romney is more interested in helping Wall Street than Main Street.

On top of Romney’s rough start in London, which not only includes negative coverage of his fundraiser but also anger over his skepticism on London’s preparedness to host the Summer Olympic Games, the Guardian picked up on a report that the fundraiser is slashing ticket prices in order to attract last-minute attendees. Dinner tickets, which were being sold for $25,000 and up, are now going for $10,000, according to the report.

The Romney campaign did not respond to requests for comment.

from another article... members of parliament are telling barclay's executives to STOP raising money for romney's campaign - they've already raised over a million dollars.  soooooo, now barclay's executives are all expat americans?

but the bank has spoken out, saying THEY aren't fund raising - it is all "personal"...

Romney arrived in the UK on Wednesday for a series of meetings with David Cameron and other political figures before attending two fundraising events and the Olympics this weekend.

An early-day motion (EDM) signed by 11 MPs last week demanded the bank and its directors stop working to bolster Romney's election campaign war chest and concentrate on repairing confidence and trust in the banking system instead.

But in a letter to the signatories of the motion, Cyrus Ardalan, a vice-chairman of Barclays and head of the UK and European government relations, said the bank was not a supporter of the presidential hopeful.

"I ... would like to clarify that all political activity undertaken by Barclays' US employees, including personal fundraising for specific candidates, is done so in a personal capacity, and not on behalf of Barclays," he wrote.

"Barclays is politically non-partisan, makes no political donations nor seeks to influence the political activities of its employees."

mps are raising red flags over this and other "secret fundraisers" that have more international "supporters" shelling out money...
MPs tell Barclays to stop fundraising for Mitt Romney

Bank at centre of Libor-setting scandal says it is non-partisan and donations are made by employees in a personal capacity

MPs including Jim Cunningham, Mark Durkan, Margaret Richie and John McDonnell raised concerns that at least 15 of Barclays Capital's most senior bankers based in the US have donated the maximum allowable individual donation per election to the Romney campaign.

They also criticised the fact that Durkin has already reportedly raised over $1m for the Romney campaign.

Other hosts of the event, which is being held at a secret location understood to be a five-star hotel in central London, include Dwight Poler, the managing director of the European arm of Bain Capital, the private equity house founded by Romney, and Eric Varvel, the chief executive of Credit Suisse's investment banking arm.

Among 47 named co-hosts are Raj Bhattacharyya, a managing director at Deutsche Bank, Karl Peterson, the European boss of private equity firm TPG Capital. Also present will be Woody Johnson, the owner of American football team the New York Jets and a great-grandson of the founder of Johnson & Johnson.

Guests who can't quite stretch to the $50,000-$75,000 required for dinner with Romney are invited to a 5pm reception, which costs from $2,500 a head.

then,there's the little israeli bash planned...

here's the scoop from the link above:

Mitt Romney is reportedly planning a fundraiser in Jerusalem during his visit to Israel later this month.

The Jerusalem Post reports that donors will be charged "$60,000 or more per plate" at the event. Romney is jointly raising money with the Republican National Committee, and $75,000 is the maximum donation to the Romney Victory Fund.

perhaps mittens is just trying to carry the citizens united ruling to yet another test case... or has he and his campaign not read the fec rules on campaign contributions?

and who better to understand how to skirt the law than the libor participants!  so, mitt has a big bash fundraiser with them, too!

now, i know that rmoney will claim that ALL these donors are expat americans - all legal to give him money, money, money - especially

* Deutsche Bank managing director Raj Bhattacharyya

* HSBC managing director Whitfield Hines

Executives from Goldman Sachs, Blackstone and Wells Fargo Securities—and, of course, Bain Capital Europe—are also on the list.

Why would these Americans associated with international banks be giving maximum money to this particular presidential candidate? Gee, could it have anything to do with the fact that there are calls for criminal prosecution of the bankers who were involved in interest rate manipulations that effectively rigged the rates that helped to determine who consumers in the United States and other countries obtained mortgages and paid on credit cards?

“Much more needs to be done,” Senators Carl Levin (D-MI) and Jack Reed( D-RI) and ten of their colleagues wrote in a mid-July letter to financial regulators and Attorney General Eric Holder. “Banks and their employees found to have broken the law should face appropriate criminal prosecution and civil action.”

Electing a friendly president, who might put the brakes on those prosecutions, just became a very high priority for the men who pull the financial strings not just on Wall Street but in London.

Approached by Britain’s Telegraph, one invitee hailed Romney’s “American understanding of capitalism. A prominent lawyer who will be attending one of Romney’s London bashes explained that the Republican candidate understands “very important things [that] people here in the UK also understand.”

That sort of “understanding” is worth a lot to embattled bankers. Certainly, the $75,000 it will cost for what the Independent describes as a “chance to whisper some of their own policy preferences into the ear of the man who may—or may not—be US president.”

i want proof that each and every attendee is an american citizen.  every single donor must be registered and listed and verified that they are an american (either naturalized, native born or green card holder.

and, is this money going into an account in the u.s or will it miraculously "vanish" into a suisse account or cayman account.

since rmoney doesn't think the rules apply to him, how do we make sure the fec holds him accountable for these overseas fundraisers?

we need to go viral about where and from whom he is raking in the money (even at half price tickets) and someone needs to be on the ground near that fundraiser to take pictures of the guests and verify they are indeed americans.

let's hope rmoney follows the path of rafalca - and is eliminated from the competition early on.  (not to rag on rafalca, but she is dreadfully anxious and unhappy when eberling rides her.  she may have heard that if she loses, she has to either swim home or ride on top of the plane.

okay - have at it folks, and when i find the number for the fec after these funders are done, i'll post and we can start our own campaign to have each and every donor verified!  (provided the rmoneys don't "lose" the money on the way back to the u.s.


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  •  People who donate are required to (16+ / 0-)

    show their U.S. Passport. There have been fundraisers for President Obama overseas too.

    For me, Mitt reminds me of Jeff Bridges in Starman. He's like an alien that hasn't read the entire manual. You know, he's going, "Nice to be in a place where the trees are the right size. -- Robin Williams on Letterman 26 Apr 2012

    by hungrycoyote on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 02:54:18 PM PDT

  •  Damn you (4+ / 0-)
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    I want to vote for "All of the Above" in your poll.

    As to Romney's fiscal shennanigans, with enough shell corporations I'm sure it can be done all 'legally'. British firm opens a subsidary in US, gives it money to "set up operations" the American director of the subsidary "decides" that donating to a SuperPAC would be a good way to "set up operations". In December of 2012 the subsidary closes down for financial reasons.

    A bigger issue will be when he's in Israel will he manage to start WWIII by insulting everyone possible? This man has NO business being on the world stage as a political leader. I never thought I'd say it but he makes Bush look compitent (only in comparison).

    Many people thought Bush was "the kind of guy you wanted to have a beer with". People are beginning to realize that Romney is "the kind of guy you want to pour a beer on".

    by ontheleftcoast on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 02:54:25 PM PDT

    •  Foreign Policy: Amercia Great, You Suck (7+ / 0-)

      I wrote this tongue in cheek snarky thought in a comment a couple of days ago.

      At the time, I had no idea that I had been so prophetic.

      I suppose I should sign up to run for the office of the Next Mormon Prophet. Oh, the fun  I would have shaking things up. Heh.

      The sociopath isn't even attending his wife's event. He tells us that the horse is a "treatment" for Ann's MS and that he's very proud of her.  I have a family member who have MS. He used to vote for Republicans. That made up lie changed his mind. It's actually a cruel and insulting comment. But medical expenses can be written off. The brilliant experience business person shows his true colors.

      The horse is trained by high-priced elite specialist dressage trainers, but Willard credits himself for doing this for his wife. He threw money at it, so he did the work, right? The horse shows up on his one and only most useless tax return as it's own corporation and a $67,000 expense the he writes off on HIS tax return. Iirc, this isn't a joint tax return. I wonder if it shows up as a medical expense, too. I suspect that there's a medical fund in there somewhere, too.

      I just can't bring myself to call this jerk a "man" for pulling this shit. He;s a fucking asshole jerk sumbitch to me.

      In my world, blowing off your wife's interest in dressage at the figging Olympics is something that would invite thoughts of divorcing the jerk. I don't think I know anyone who would do such a thing. But he's running for office, for Pete's sake.

      Corporations are horses, my friend.

      Jeebus, what a Jerk!

      "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

      by GrumpyOldGeek on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 03:37:07 PM PDT

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      •  How about the other (2+ / 0-)
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        66 entries from around the world in the events?  

        Olympic Equestrian Site

        Equestrianism made its Summer Olympics debut at the 1900 Summer Olympics in Paris, France. It disappeared until 1912, but has appeared at every Summer Olympic Games since. ...Wikipedia
        Why not rail against the whole event and those that participate  as a moral outrage?

        The Mittster is a stooge.  

        But we're gonna hang a hat on having a horse in the Olympics?  Really?

        Somebody said Party! I got excited. I love Parties! Especially Parties with exclamation marks! Now I'm sad because there's not a Party! h/t AnnetteK ;-)

        by EdMass on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 03:49:06 PM PDT

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        •  most of those who show aren't people who (8+ / 0-)

          are doing it for the "power and glory" of the tax deduction (not allowed, btw, as another posted pointed out today).

          also, watch the other riders and the relationships with their horses.  MOST are beautiful.

          SOME are not.  eberling is not one of the riders who is doing this for the love of dressage.  watch rafalca - she is nervous, anxious and not a happy horse (watch anky von gruesen;s horse, too - she is famous for a now banned brutally cruel technique that physically damaged the horse called "rolled kur")

          so mitt isn't the only jerk in the stable... but he is a huge one!

          most riders love what they do and love their horses. the japanese rider in his 70s is one of those who bring love to this beautiful sport.

          mittens and ann get the grief they deserve due to their total lack of empathy for animals (think seamous) - to them, animals are means to an end - their own fame.

          i ride dressage, i love dressage, i love the interaction with the horse i love.  

          the rmoneys are in no way the same in their behavior toward their horse interactions or this sport.  the fact that supports that is when a previously owned horse was drugged and sold as a sound dressage horse when the horse had physical injuries making him incapable of working due to pain.  to recoup their money (only focus of the rmoneys), the horse was drugged to oblivion and sold to an unsuspecting buyer who TRUSTED them - until the drugs wore off.  they were sued.


          •  My son rides dressage (3+ / 0-)
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            has done so for 3 years (He's 25) . It's amazing how horse and rider communicate -- a touch of the knee here or there, no stirrups, amazing.

             He's working in NM this summer and only Western is's only temporary.  

            Somebody said Party! I got excited. I love Parties! Especially Parties with exclamation marks! Now I'm sad because there's not a Party! h/t AnnetteK ;-)

            by EdMass on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 04:11:47 PM PDT

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            •  western dressage is becoming quite big... (5+ / 0-)

              the balance and light communication are the same at lower levels - the real change in discipline comes when the rider and horse reach the upper levels of both sports.

              neck reining is simply a longer rein using the outside rein to bend/turn instead of a shorter rein doing the same thing!

              yes, it really IS amazing how the communication works.  sani and i now have the "halt" down to simply thinking "halt at X then you get a cookie!"  i think it and his shoulder reaches X and BOOM!  then he turns his head around for that cookie!  8^)

              you both become one mind and it is absolutely beautiful and almost effortless when done right.

              •  Years ago at a county park, I saw (2+ / 0-)
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                some western dressage, I think.  The horse moved with the nose almost in the dirt, at a slow walk, with the rein extremely loose.  The posture of the horse, with the humped back, looked like the horse was in pain, maybe from a kidney problem.  But no one around seemed upset.  When the next horse came out, it moved the same. And yet another.

                It's amazing what they can train a horse to do.  
                There was  a cross country ride on tv a few weeks ago. That horse was part pony and only about 13 1/2 hands.  But could it go.

                Democrats - We represent America!

                by phonegery on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 04:50:26 PM PDT

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                •  here is western dressage - it is awesome! (2+ / 0-)
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                  it is ALL about the easiness of the horse's movement - this tape shows  Eitan Beth-Halachmy  as he explains it.

                  in the second tape, the rider combines western dressage and freestyle western reining (double time) - but if you watch, the horse is relaxed and soft and moves with his rider - enjoying the process!

                  both disciplines work ONLY when the horse AND rider are fit and comfortable and balanced.

                •  oh, and that's called "walking on a long rein" (2+ / 0-)
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                  horses love it - they get to stretch their backs (and raise it underneath) the rider - and it is very comfortable for them - they tend to be very relaxed when the reins are long.

          •  THAT'S the real Willard (2+ / 0-)
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            The guy who dumps sawdust into the oil to quiet the engine noise when he sells you his used car.

            I missed that little detail about Willard being the jerk that he is. I'm not surprised. A guy who assaults a classmate and can't seem to remember doing this is a person I avoid. A guy who doesn't realize that he's an animal abuser is a person I avoid. A guy who abuses an animal with drugs and fraud to save a buck is a person I avoid. A guy who takes credit for work done by other people because he threw money at them is a person I avoid. A guy who tells those other people that they're jealous of his money is a person I avoid. And on, and on, and on.

            I've met a few folks who were into polo, for example. One was one of the wealthiest in the World at the time. (a Busch family member). He generously funded more than one stable of the better ponies. He was the opposite of Willard in every way. He genuinely loved horses, the competition, and the polo organizations everywhere. He enjoyed participating in polo matches and exhibitions, too.

            Yes, I've run across a few truly awful arrogant jerks, too. Two of my childhood friends competed in Olympic, national, and international figure skating events. And collected medals of all colors.

            And I've met a lot of other skaters, their families, coaches, sponsors, and friends. A number of parents behave worse than Willard, imo. I didn't expect that. But you're right. There are other really awful jerks walking among us.

            I've managed and been managed by a number of folks who were competitors in national, international and Olympic competitions. Every single one of these folks were really, really, good at their jobs and good, down to Earth, regular people.

            "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

            by GrumpyOldGeek on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 07:03:05 PM PDT

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            •  again, you're right - especially about the olympic (1+ / 0-)
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              dressage - for a rider to get that far, USUALLY that relationship has to be there between horse and rider - otherwise, the scores show the lack.

              eberling? politics, imho, plain and simple.  money to support the team.


              there are so many better horses out there that deserved this chance - and, to be fair to rafalca, she is beautiful - her "problems" stem from who sits atop her.

        •  I'm not railing against any Olympic event (4+ / 0-)
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          I'm railing against Willard's astonishing lack of empathy, his arrogance, his lack of social skills, his missing concept of supporting his wife's interests, taking credit for "creating" the business, using this as his tax deduction but not his wife's, and on and on.

          Where in all of this did you get the idea that having a horse in the Olympics is not a great honor and a good thing?

          Seriously, Romney's an asshole. That's it.

          I know a few folks who are into equestrian activities. Most of them do this out of love, live on a shoestring budget, and sacrifice a lot. Sponsorship and funds aren't available for too many of these dedicated people.

          Romney didn't throw his money at any other Olympic event participant. And he doesn't even have the thought of attending and cheering for the one that he funded.

          "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

          by GrumpyOldGeek on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 05:38:51 PM PDT

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          •  um, i didn't get that idea - i agree with you (1+ / 0-)
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            totally!  it IS a great honor and good thing - when the rider and horse deserve it.  i've known riders AND horses who competed in the olympics - and medaled.

            those riders (like the ones who will win in london) will have a very different relationship with their horse than poor rafalca has.  i'm willing to go on the line here and say she will not make it to the finals - no where near the medals.

            watch for the horses that look so awesome that you just are DYING to be up there with them.  that isn't what happens when you watch rafalca.  she is far too nervous and anxious - and is not supported by her rider in what she is asked to do.

            i really loathe romney and i strongly dislike eberling and his style of riding.  

            as for that shoestring - i choose my pony over food - good for the diet.  i don't do any outside stuff - movies? nope.  restaurants? nope.  vacations? nope.

            it doesn't matter, i'd rather be with my horse anyway.  he is my passion and dressage is our "playing" of choice!

  •  I was wondering about this also. Since I have no (3+ / 0-)
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    legal background I don't feel qualified to comment or support your conclusions. Have you considered sending a kosmail to Adam B?

    We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

    by Tamar on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 02:56:14 PM PDT

  •  Both campaigns are raising $ in foreign countries (10+ / 0-)

    Fundraising Abroad: No ‘Bundling’ at U.S. Embassy Visa Desks Allowed

    The campaigns of President Barack Obama and Republican Mitt Romney each have held fundraisers abroad. More are planned, including an event featuring George Clooney for Obama in Geneva in late August.
    This cycle, Obama has raised $603,000 at overseas events, including a July 11 reception in Shanghai, according to the Sunlight Foundation. Earlier this year, Obama bundlers held a “cocktails and light supper” fundraiser in Geneva. The top ticket price was $35,800.

    Incumbency offers many fundraising advantages, but it comes with some costs. And Obama has lost some of his best money-men (and women) to diplomacy, like Lou Susman in London, Charles Rivkin in Paris and Alan Solomont in Madrid.

    The president appointed 24 of his 2008 campaign bundlers to ambassadorships, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Collectively, they raised more than $10 million. While a few have come home (two left in the wake of critical inspector general reports on embassy management), more than 20 remain in their ambassador’s residences.

    Goose?  Gander?

    Just another reason to get $$ out of politics imho.

    Somebody said Party! I got excited. I love Parties! Especially Parties with exclamation marks! Now I'm sad because there's not a Party! h/t AnnetteK ;-)

    by EdMass on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 02:57:27 PM PDT

    •  BOTH need the proper oversight and paperwork (2+ / 0-)
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      to ensure that the donors are u.s. citizens.  that i have no objections.  i am quite sure the paperwork will be there for the obama campaign.

      however, since romney has such an issue with providing paperwork when it comes to money, i want to see this checked very very closely!

      •  Forty members of Congress have dual Citizenship. (2+ / 0-)
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        Why single out Dual Citizens in the Congress? (Senators(13) and Congressmen/Representatives(27)
        It's perfectly legal.  

        Democrats - We represent America!

        by phonegery on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 05:09:11 PM PDT

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        •  um, where did you get that blockquote? (1+ / 0-)
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          i'm not concerned with legal fundraising - i'm concerned about the influence of money from foreign sources that are trying to influence the candidate.

          did you read the link where the mps in parliament are VERY upset that romney is meeting with the bankers of the libor scandal and fraud?

          money talks - and i want to know whose money and what is it saying.

          americans can donate up to the limit and i have no problem with that - those who are NOT american voters have no business trying to influence our elections any more than we have in trying to influence the outcome of other national elections outside our own.

          that said, the point here is that if rmoney is taking foreign donations, he is breaking the law.  i want to know if all those fundraisers are legitimate - and, yes, i want to know the same thing about obama's foreign funding!

        •  That's false, and worse. (0+ / 0-)

          That site is merely listing all the Jewish-Americans in Congress. Anti-semitic to allege dual citizenship without evidence.

  •  As others have noted... (12+ / 0-)

    ...both campaigns are raising money abroad, but not from foreign nationals. Barclay's Bob Diamond, for instance, is a U.S.-born American. It's a big bank. They have lots of high-level American employees.

    The real issue is finding a way to get big money out of politics altogether.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 03:16:50 PM PDT

    •  diamond can contribute - but if barclays is (3+ / 0-)
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      "helping", then according to the fec, they are in violation.  i was fascinated with the MPs telling barclays to back away.

      granted, barclays claimed that everything was being done on a "personal" basis - but 85 top execs from barclays all woke up one morning and said, "OH! i think i'm gonna go raise money for mitt!"

      i want to see the paperwork carefully reviewed by the fec - and do it for both sides.  

      yep - your last sentence sums it up best - get big money out.

      limit donations - public funding - fairness doctrine - limit packs and make them expose donor lists.  it's the pacs i see as the biggest and easiest way to move large donations from foreign nationals into the mix.

  •  Interestingly (5+ / 0-)

    we green card holders are allowed to contribute but we are not allowed to vote - go figure.

  •  there are lotsa US bankers in London. (4+ / 0-)
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    so those are probably the contributors.  I'd even bet ya a nickel that they're all Americans.

  •  oops! nodded off as soon as i hit publish! (1+ / 0-)
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  •  In theory, good point. In practice, all (2+ / 0-)
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    contributors have to prove their US citizenship. Dems fundraise abroad as well.

    •  i just keep thinking that if we have this much (2+ / 0-)
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      trouble getting to mitts tax returns, then how easy will it be to access the accurate and true records of his fund raisers.

      one little extra thought, if he has any paid volunteers (how about donations of facilities?) that aren't u.s. citizens, then he's also in violation.

      is donating a "Venue" owned by a foreign national also a "donation" in violation of the fec?

      i really want to see the books opened on these fundraisers!

      my guess is it will never happen though - closed up and sealed and unavailable, things will be, is my guess.

      •  Does Mitt, or any of his immediate family, (2+ / 0-)
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        have dual citizenship with any other countries?  

        Democrats - We represent America!

        by phonegery on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 05:13:29 PM PDT

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      •  All donations over $200 are disclosed. Donor name (1+ / 0-)
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        and occupation for those donations is available online. The issue of venues is a more interesting one and there may be smth there. But frankly with all the superPACs why would people bother violating campaign laws in such an obvious way?

        •  my question arises at that $10,000 plate (0+ / 0-)

          fundraiser - how is that legal?

          rather WHY is that legal~  both sides do it out of the need for money - but it is so damned wrong!

          i guess what bothers me is those $10,000 fundraisers in foreigm countries!  THAT shouldn't be legal to have the money laundered through a "fundraiser" from foreign nationals - and i'm thinking that is what is happening.

          i wish there were a way to get more information on what money is raised and who is doing the "paying" for those tickets!  (although, i gather not too many, since there is now a "fire sale" on mitten's latest party)

          •  Yes, 10k is legal. In fact, legal limit is over (2+ / 0-)
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            30k. 2.5k to the campaign, the rest to RNC (or DNC). Donations by foreigners via domestic intermediaries are illegal. I have no idea how common they are but there were plenty of scandals about them. The most recent one involves Michael Grimm (Republican congressman from Staten Island). I don't think location of the fundraiser matters in this regard.

            All donations are online although it takes months for information to get there:



  •  Well, there you have it ... (2+ / 0-)
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    I'd been toying with the idea of taking some time off to volunteer for the Obama campaign (or a campaign to get more Dems in Congress), but it would seem that as a Canadian that's not kosher. Well, I wish you guys the very best - not only because it's right for Americans, but it's also in the best interests of Canadians and world citizens in general.

    •  you can volunteer - you just can't be paid for (1+ / 0-)
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      doing so.  that is the distinction - it is the money aspect.  we'd LOVE to have you phonebank, call - heck, even explain why a canadian thinks obama is best - but the fec rules are about money changing hands.


      we luv ya canucks!  ( i think that is the right term....)

      •  I'm not so sure an American wants ... (0+ / 0-)

        ... to be told what a Canadian thinks. :) (Nor do we really want Americans to tell us how to vote either, so I'm entirely sympathetic.) I was thinking more of a support role, like maybe calling to remind people to vote (I guess I could do that from Toronto?).

        "Canuck" is a term used to refer to Canadians, but I think we mostly use it to refer to the Vancouver hockey team. No one I know self-identifies as a Canuck. But then again, I can't speak for the ~ 34.9 million of us. :)

  •  I would give Willard the benefit of the doubt BUT (1+ / 0-)
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    he lies about everything especially the politically damaging stuff, he's very secretive and has an interesting interpretation of events both real and imagined.  Basically he acts as if the law does not apply to him.  Thanks to Citizens United I am concerned.  I mentioned the lying, right?

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