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While we all thought it was Elizabeth Warren who would be the keynoter, it turns out she is being given a prime time speaking slot; the actual Keynote Address will be Julian Castro, the mayor of San Antonio, Texas.

I think this a good idea.... more, and video after the squiggly thing.

Mayor Castro is 37 years old, and while he narrowly lost his first run at that office in 2005, he won in 2009 with just over 56% of the vote, and won re-election with an astounding 82% of the vote.

This is definitely a play by the Democratic Party for Texas.  Not in 2012- the chances that President Obama wins that state or even the Democrats win the open Senate race are close to nil, but with the demographics of the state changing,  (See Cachy's excellent diary from the other day, Projecting Texas: The Coming Democratic Plurality) this is how we start to make the move from red to purple to blue happen in the Lone Star State.   Personally, I think the change in Texas can happen long before 2024.

Here's a video that Mayor Castro and the DNC released about his upcoming speech:

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  •  Thinking about Texas when they'll lose Iowa (2+ / 0-)
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    TexMex, Dallasdoc

    I don't know where the party is going.  Still lusting after red state culture.  Carolinas, Texas - huge turnoff for this Yankee.  

    •  Rethink! (11+ / 0-)

      This is about building the FUTURE of the Democratic party or staying stagnant. The demographic reality shows that Hispanic voters are the future of any American party. And if the Repugs have been so dumb to reject Latinos because of myopic xenophobia, why should Democrats leave a perfect gift on the electoral table?

      A Yank like you can decide for yourself where your future lies. I thought we were a reality based community here. Facts, FACTS FACTS & numbers.

      This is a savvy & smart move. Even more so after the Repugs used and spit out Rubio.

      "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

      by zizi on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 06:39:06 AM PDT

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      •  Reinforcing the racial divide concerns me (0+ / 0-)

        The Republicans are doing it and we're doubling down.  Sure we want Hispanics but do we really want the choice of parties to be driven by race?  Is that the future?  

        I don't see what this does for him in the middle west.  He's thinking about the future.  He ought to be thinking about the present.

        •  What racial divide? (1+ / 0-)
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          Are Latinos not part of this country? Why would you describe a true reflection of America's diversity "racial divide"? Is it "racial" only when non-Anglos get an opportunity? So when Whites get to do something it is "norm", right? Your blinkered thinking really reveals itself. Shame

          "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

          by zizi on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 06:54:14 AM PDT

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          •  It is racial (0+ / 0-)

            If one party defines itself as white and the other defines itself as brown.  I'd much prefer fighting the class war.  

            But hey - I'm worried about Social Security and that is oh so 20th century.

            •  Well Bill Clinton and Elizabeth Warren are white.. (1+ / 0-)
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              So you can breathe easier.  As is VP Biden.  

            •  Do you know what Castro has done in San Antonio? (5+ / 0-)

              you only see him as brown and not middle class right? You only see his color and not his accomplishments and ideas right? Who's invoking race and painting one party as 'brown"? Does the diverse coalition of the Democratic party make it "brown" whatever that means?

              Yours is warped thinking

              "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

              by zizi on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:21:15 AM PDT

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              •  Do you know what Keith Ellison has done in (0+ / 0-)

                Minneapolis?  I expect not. I'm just saying I'm not getting how the messaging is going to help Obama from PA - Iowa.

                •  What about Keith Ellison? (0+ / 0-)

                  He's a fine congressman who has pushed important Middle Class legislation when Democrats controlled the House. But of course we don't have that in the news except when Islamophobic bigots have hounded him. If he had been chosen to keynote the DNC that too would have been a brilliant choice. What's your point?

                  "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

                  by zizi on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:38:01 AM PDT

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                  •  Keith got elected because liberals like me voted (0+ / 0-)

                    For him - I still fail to see how a southern Hispanic strategy plays in the middle west in the absence of clarity on economic issues.  Maybe it is because Minnesota is supposedly safe so I am seeing no campaign but I just don't see it and even on my many trips to Iowa I'm not seeing it.

                    •  What about your voting for him? (4+ / 0-)

                      You voted for Keith Ellison, so what? you think you did HIM a favor by voting for him? Is that how you measure your vote? Well then if you cannot vote to preserve your own economic interest then that's your loss. That you quickly jumped to seeing Castro in cultural/ethnic but not economic terms says more about you than him.

                      It is one thing to state a preference for somebody else to be keynote speaker. But that doesn't give you the right to disparage another person being chosen and baselessly state that they've only been chosen to fit a racial slot.

                      If you have not taken the time to research Julian Castro then better get on it fast instead of displaying gross ignorance here. The fact that you consider him as "southern Hispanic strategy" is precisely the root of your warped thinking. And Bill Clinton in primetime is not a "southern strategy". Of course you don't think of Bill Clinton in those so-called "demographic terms. Who is Bill Clinton supposed to be appealing to? And likewise E. Warren who speaks immediately before him? Your antenna only sees Hispanics in demographic and no other important terms?

                      Get a clue!

                      Here is a video to get started:

                      "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

                      by zizi on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:08:21 AM PDT

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                    •  Here's more for you to ruminate on (0+ / 0-)

                      Even Repug strategist Mark McKinnon said as far back as 2010 that Julian Castro has been on everyone's radar as  a possible future first Hispanic President cuz of how dynamic he has been in Texas

                      http://univisionnews.tumblr.com/...

                      "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

                      by zizi on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:22:21 AM PDT

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                  •  And I would be THRILLED (0+ / 0-)

                    If the leader of the progressive caucus was allowed to give a rip roaring speech on economic justice -  but that isn't going to happen.

                    •  Watch Wednesday night... (0+ / 0-)

                      "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

                      by durrati on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:04:58 AM PDT

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                    •  A little googling would tell you Castro's pedigree (3+ / 0-)
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                      Castro's mother Rosie Castro was firebrand activist who fought alongside Cesar Chavez in the 1960s & 70s. She lived in poverty and to cook food to get money to pay her maternity bills when she gave birth to Julian & his twin brother Joaquim. His narrative is about going everywhere with his mother and absorbing the contours of the struggle of civil rights.

                      So get informed before passing judgment on Castro

                      "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

                      by zizi on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:17:50 AM PDT

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              •  Not to mention Castro's humble origins (3+ / 0-)
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                and impressive accomplishments in the face of real challenges.

                THAT is a winning story anywhere, by anyone.  And Castro has it.  Watch and listen to him.  Great future Dem. leader.  From Texas.

                Torture is Wrong! We live near W so you don't have to. Send love.

                by tom 47 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:25:06 AM PDT

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            •  Careful (0+ / 0-)

              it sounds like you are objecting to the choice of Castro as keynote speaker on the basis of his race.

              If so, the Democratic Party is the wrong place for you, and I'm not sorry.

    •  Pity they passed up Warren (2+ / 0-)
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      The future of the party would be best assured by going back to its New Deal roots, and taking up the mantle of rebuilding the middle class.  Apparently that's not the message the president wants to highlight in a keynote address.  

      Tremendous missed opportunity.  This is tactics, not strategy.  I wish I could say I was surprised.  I'm sure Mayor Castro is a fine man, but he's not the face of rebuilding the middle class.    

      Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

      by Dallasdoc on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 06:48:22 AM PDT

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      •  Not sure I get the tactics either (0+ / 0-)

        If you go from PA to MN what you have is older and whiter. You still need some of those voters.

      •  Castro does not represent the middle class? (9+ / 0-)

        What bull are you spewing here? Only Warren can represent the middle class? When Barack Obama was chosen 8 yrs ago, you believe it was not because of commitment to New Deal but race? You reveal your own warped thinking and its a shame.

        how are hitherto disempowered Americans then to get access to showcase their potential if nobody gives them a chance? Is Is it only old foggies who can articulate a Middle class vision? What about the growth and future of the Democratic party?

        Tactics my foot. This is brilliant strategy for revitalizing and rebuilding the Democratic party. Take off your blinders

        "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

        by zizi on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 06:58:45 AM PDT

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        •  Who represents middle class issues nationally? (2+ / 0-)
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          Who is the best speaker on economic populism in the country?  Who could best reposition the party to speak to economic anxieties and the unfairness of the current system?  Maybe Mayor Castro is Elizabeth Warren's equal, but he'll have to give a hell of a speech to do what Elizabeth Warren does every day on the campaign trail.  

          By not picking her, the Obama campaign shows where its priorities lie.  I'd be delighted to be surprised and see Castro prove Warren's equal on economic issues, but that's going to be one hell of a reach.

          Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

          by Dallasdoc on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:06:30 AM PDT

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          •  They moved Warren to Wednesday night (3+ / 0-)
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            just before Clinton's nomination speech so that she and Bill can double down on the economic message...

            "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

            by durrati on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:07:45 AM PDT

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            •  Bill Clinton? (2+ / 0-)
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              Seriously?  There's a classic case of the messenger stepping on the message.  The guy who signed Glass-Steagall repeal, and made Bob Rubin AND Larry Summers his treasury secretaries is going to credibly reinforce Warren's message?

              Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

              by Dallasdoc on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:13:04 AM PDT

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              •  Right! (1+ / 0-)
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                durrati

                Bill Clinton has no credibility with American voters on the economy. What did he ever do for the economy? People think back to the Clinton years and all they remember is peace and prosperity (and blowjobs). And he's totally unpopular now. His approval rating is only in the mid 60's.

                I agree with you. Terrible choice.

              •  Talk to me Dallas (0+ / 0-)

                when you elect your first matchless progressive president, which will be with my vote BTW, but you'll have to scare up another 10 or 12 million....hopefully only another election cycle or two. Til then I'll settle for Bill and Barack and the progress they offer in the nonce.

                "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

                by durrati on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:27:15 PM PDT

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                •  Seriously? A pony argument? (1+ / 0-)
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                  I'll talk about how our presidents and our Democratic politicians fall short of what they should be doing as long as I've got breath in my body.  You can't get better by always settling for less, and who's going to light a fire under them to do better except Democratic voters demanding better?  You can settle for less, for what they're willing to give you, but I damn sure won't.

                  Bill Clinton did good things as president, but he advanced the very financial consolidation of the economy that Elizabeth Warren is battling against.  And he did it deliberately and comprehensively by handing the economy over to Bob Rubin.  To ignore that is to be wilfully blind.  That's why Warren followed by Clinton is such a non sequitur.

                  Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

                  by Dallasdoc on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 04:05:30 PM PDT

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                  •  We have elected (0+ / 0-)

                    exactly three terms for democrats in the past thirty years, two of which can be accounted for by Ross Perot - and one other which can be credited to the R's fragging the whole shitbox of an economy they had created - siphoning off from the R's the voters that both parties still need to elect a president in a two way race - soft republicans and socially conservative democrats.

                    Until you can demonstrate that we can win a national election with Liz Warren heading the ticket you can yammer til you are blue in the face and  I will still support dems who can win because there is no acceptable alternative....

                    "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

                    by durrati on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 04:31:04 PM PDT

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                    •  We elected a progressive Dem in 2008 (0+ / 0-)

                      The fact that he turned into yet another Wall Street friendly corporatist who's playing a populist again for re-election is not our fault.  For that matter, Bill Clinton campaigned as much more of a populist than he governed as.  Democrats held the House for 40 years while the impression of the party as the New Deal's champion held.  When that faded, so did their reliable hold on the House.

                      Electing populists is not the Democratic party's problem.  Holding them accountable for going back on their election promises and keeping them from selling out to oligarchs has been its problem.

                      Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

                      by Dallasdoc on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 05:16:57 PM PDT

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                    •   (0+ / 0-)

                      The fact that he turned into yet another Wall Street friendly corporatist who's playing a populist again for re-election is not our fault.  For that matter, Bill Clinton campaigned as much more of a populist than he governed as.  Democrats held the House for 40 years while the impression of the party as the New Deal's champion held.  When that faded, so did their reliable hold on the House.

                      Electing populists is not the Democratic party's problem.  Holding them accountable for going back on their election promises and keeping them from selling out to oligarchs has been its problem.

                      Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

                      by Dallasdoc on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 05:17:07 PM PDT

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                      •  Could not disagree with your analysis more. (0+ / 0-)

                        Both Clinton and Obama govern(ed) as moderate to progressive, Clinton appointed a woman as AG, raised taxes on the rich, passed the Family Medical and Leave Act and tackled Heathcare while Obama has his list. Both were punished in the mid-terms because the 'thugs convinced the electorate that they had outpaced their mandate (you may argue that both were punished by their base for not peddling their cart fast enough to which I will reply, if that's the case, the base are idiots.)

                        No, it wasn't abandonment of the New Deal that cost the Dems the House either time it was a result of the GOP being able to characterize each president as veering too far to the left.  

                         

                        "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

                        by durrati on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 06:31:09 PM PDT

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                        •  Nonsense (0+ / 0-)

                          It was Democrats not veering far enough left.  The ACA was basically Romneycare, and Republicans demonized a complicated insurance subsidy bill.  Would Medicare for All have been harder to pass?  Probably not, because people would have understood it.  And it certainly would not have been more disastrous in the 2010 midterm.

                          Bill Clinton passed NAFTA and alienated a good deal of his base in his first year, which explains his 1994 defeat better than anything else.  The idea that he was too progressive is a revisionist fantasy.  

                          Republicans demonized Democrats as being socialist throughout and after the New Deal, and except for two Congresses in the 1950's Democrats never lost the House.  Only in the 1990's, when they stopped passing legislation like Medicare and turned into free traders, did the Republicans have a chance to boot them out of power.  

                          Democrats are always more successful when they fight for the middle class.  When they listen to the moderate Republicans of the DLC and the Third Way, they get in serious trouble.  Republicans only win when voters can't tell the difference between the parties.  

                          Obama passing a Republican health care bill and downsizing the stimulus (and larding it up with useless tax breaks) is what lost him the 112th Congress.  If you want proof, listen to him on the campaign trail vs. how he's sounded since his last election.

                          Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

                          by Dallasdoc on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 06:49:00 PM PDT

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                          •  this is possibly (0+ / 0-)

                            the most preposterous paragraph I've ever read on dkos:

                            It was Democrats not veering far enough left.  The ACA was basically Romneycare, and Republicans demonized a complicated insurance subsidy bill.  Would Medicare for All have been harder to pass?  Probably not, because people would have understood it.  And it certainly would not have been more disastrous in the 2010 midterm.
                            In every purple state in the union R's are running on curbing entitlements and "saving" Medicare from the encroaching Obamacare hordes.

                            Do you get out much?

                            The Contract With America was a precursor to the Ryan Budget. And still Americans voted for it.

                            I agree that Democrats must always fight for the middle class, as both presidents have.

                            But if Obama campaigns now as a populist more so than Clinton,who tacked to the center did, it is because  the addition to the equation of the sensible millennium generation and the stark raving lunacy of the teahadists  have allowed him more lateral movement.

                            "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

                            by durrati on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:58:13 PM PDT

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                          •  I get out plenty, thanks (1+ / 0-)
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                            I understand the Stockholm Syndrome too many Democrats have, thinking that because Republicans attack them the answer is to become more like their attackers and blur the differences.  That's exactly the attitude you seem to have, and it couldn't be more wrong.

                            Democrats are losing because they don't provide enough of a contrast between the parties, and Obama has been a prime example of that.  He tried to constantly compromise and give ground to Republicans throughout most of his term, and it produced a catastrophic midterm loss.  He didn't attack Republican extremists and champion traditional Democratic values, and critics here pointed that out in years of pie fights with Obama's die-hard defenders.  You think appointing Tim Geithner and Larry Summers was "fighting for the middle class"?  You think HAMP was analogous to the WPA?  Now that's preposterous.

                            The Third Way approach that Obama and party leaders generally have governed by in recent decades is in large part what has allowed Republicans to become more extreme, by shifting Overton windows to the right and failing to attack their extremism.  Obama's campaign recognizes this, sort of, because his job's on the line.  But he didn't govern this way, preferring to placate Blue Dogs and corporatists in his party instead of holding their feet to the fire.  Instead it was the CPC and progressives in the Senate who were told to suck it up and come along with the moderate Republican bills Obama favored.  How'd that work out?  You can't blame progressive policies for losses, because they weren't followed for the most part.  Polls show they're a hell of a lot more popular than Democratic politicians, and there's a very good reason for that.

                            Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

                            by Dallasdoc on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 05:34:37 AM PDT

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                          •  I won't argue anymore (0+ / 0-)

                            once someone with your viewpoint pulls out the "Obama should have taken a magic pill and passed more progressive legislation through the constipated Senate" argument I realize that no amount of rebuttal will change their mind.

                            I contend the President did what he had to do and actually did a pretty good job with it.

                            "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

                            by durrati on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 07:42:06 AM PDT

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                          •  Neither of can prove our case (1+ / 0-)
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                            Since the president didn't try to pass different legislation.  But given the number of Democrats in the Senate, and the degree of arm-twisting it took to pass what he did, it's a reasonable position to take that a similar amount of effort could have passed more popular, more easily understood legislation.

                            The political climate was cast by the president's accommodationist stances with Republicans, instead of a more confrontational partisan tone.  Given the horrible results in 2010 of his approach, can't you see that a more partisan tone might have been at least equally successful?

                            Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

                            by Dallasdoc on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 08:00:45 AM PDT

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                          •  Simply...No (0+ / 0-)

                            McConnell et al were not going to respond to favorably to more partisan approaches or to less partisan approaches, to war or pestilence or the wrath of God almighty. Faced with an opponent with consummate political skills and the wind at his back they decided to barricade the keep, pull up the drawbridge, take hostages and prepare the holy hand grenade.

                            They could do this because the country is so polarized now that 90% of GOP Senate seats could not be pried from their grasp using the jaws of life.

                            Most everything the President did in his first two years was designed to avoid the filibuster by working on the few GOP Senators that would be vulnerable in their re-election bids.

                            He got just enough of their votes to pass some fairly good legislation.

                            Unfortunately the Republican Governors and state legislators attacked on his flank, effectively thwarting all efforts to create and keep jobs.

                            The R's aren't playing beanbag....its all out war.

                             

                            "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

                            by durrati on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 08:18:09 AM PDT

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                          •  Not my point at all (0+ / 0-)

                            Of course Republicans aren't going to play along.  Obama had no control over that, despite three years of trying to pretend he did.

                            Republicans are operating as a parliamentary party, and the Democrats' problem is that they're not responding in kind.  The only effective approach is for Democrats to provide a clear policy contrast and ruthlessly impose party discipline on Congressional Democrats.  That's the missing piece, leadership on the Hill.  Harry Reid is in large part responsible for failures in the last Congress, but so was Obama for not acting as a strong party leader.  If Democrats had done that, under his leadership, then they could have passed what they wanted and not needed Republicans.

                            Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

                            by Dallasdoc on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 12:03:07 PM PDT

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                          •  There were only enough Democrats (0+ / 0-)

                            to overcome the filibuster in the Senate for 14 weeks of his entire first term...any other version of that hard truth is either agitprop or urban legend.

                            "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

                            by durrati on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 05:48:31 PM PDT

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                          •  They passed the ACA with reconciliation (0+ / 0-)

                            They could have packaged a huge amount of stimulus, Medicare expansion to under 65's, and a bunch of other programs in a giant budget bill that would pass under reconciliation, to overcome McConnell's filibuster threats.  They didn't do that.  Why not?  Poor leadership.  

                            The fact that the tactics they used barely worked doesn't mean that more aggressive ones wouldn't have worked at all.  They probably would have worked a lot better, with enough Democratic senate arms twisted to pass a reconciliation omnibus bill.

                            Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

                            by Dallasdoc on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 07:14:47 PM PDT

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                          •  if they had done that (0+ / 0-)

                            the Roberts' Court would have been open to striking down the whole shebang, with the support of the media and the electorate...

                            "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

                            by durrati on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 07:27:01 PM PDT

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                          •  Based on what? (1+ / 0-)
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                            Your argument has been reduced to excusing incompetence by asserting that the alternative is futility.  You could hypothesize that the Roberts court could strike down pretty much anything, as an excuse for not doing anything meaningful or effective.

                            Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

                            by Dallasdoc on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 08:12:49 PM PDT

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                          •  based on the Hughes Court (0+ / 0-)

                            which gutted the New Deal and nearly cost FDR the 1940 election...

                            It was a near thing, Robert's decision not to strike down the ACA, using reconciliation to destroy private insurers and dedicate another trillion dollars to stimulus would have provoked a Constitutional Crisis and a big loss.

                            We would still be without any kind of HC reform...

                            "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

                            by durrati on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:04:22 PM PDT

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                          •  You confirm my objection (0+ / 0-)

                            If Medicare were expanded they'd have no pretext to strike that down, since Medicare's been legal for almost 50 years.  Stimulus funds are ordinary government business, budgeting decisions well within normal governmental purview.  Other similar programs and tax hikes for gazillionaires don't raise any Constitutional questions.

                            Your argument is silly.  You need to find a better excuse for lousy leadership and poor tactical and policy choices.

                            Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

                            by Dallasdoc on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 05:18:45 AM PDT

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                          •  The expansion of Medicare (0+ / 0-)

                            W/O what could be called a valid stamp by the Senate - i.e. passed over a filibuster - could be vacated. Same with stimulus, which is regular government business but isn't normally filibustered.

                            The problem with the way R's are playing the game is that they are forcing the Dems to consider whether or not to get rid of the filibuster completely.

                            Many here have called for Harry to do just that without thinking through the consequences. The only time we would need the filibuster is when we are in the minority and the R's are trying to run roughshod over the constitution.

                            I think that Senate Dems, like FDR when he tried to get around the Hughes court, would face electoral consequences of routinely using reconciliation to pass legislation over the minority's objection. And I believe the solution can only be found in elections, by causing the R's to pay for their obstruction at the ballot box. When we get a bullet proof majority and consensus in the party we can look at modifying the rules of the filibuster so that it can't so easily be abused.

                            "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

                            by durrati on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 05:57:13 AM PDT

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                          •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

                            The filibuster is extra-Constitutional, so I fail to see any argument for why the court would consider that argument.  Reconciliation is in fact regular order for budgetary items, and expanding Medicare is well within normal practice of budgetary concerns.  Your SCOTUS argument is still incoherent.

                            Dems should have got rid of the filibuster completely at the beginning of this Congress.  Even Tom Udall's proposal was relatively timid compared with the need.  Harry Reid sees that, however belatedly.  He was preserving the filibuster for the possibility of Dems losing the Senate after this election.  His decision, and the paralysis it prolonged, only makes that more likely.  It was stupid and short-sighted, like so much of Washington Dems' actions in recent decades.  You think if Mitch McConnell becomes Majority Leader he'll let the filibuster survive so Dems can use it as he has?  Think again.  

                            Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

                            by Dallasdoc on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 06:02:50 AM PDT

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                          •  Well, he'll need 60 votes (0+ / 0-)

                            to get rid of it.

                            Reid's frustration, much as I understand it, is no reason for our side to give up the filibuster voluntarily. The GOP has proven the need for a check on a simple majority repeatedly in the past decade. I think there should be limits on it's use but don't favor getting rid of it.

                            As too my SCOTUS argument being incoherent, let me try to be clear. I believe the court would act against Dems repeatedly using reconciliation to overcome filibusters, moreover I believe the public would also punish us as they did in the 1938 mid-terms reacting to FDR's courtpacking scheme.

                            "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

                            by durrati on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 07:25:34 AM PDT

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                          •  He doen't need 60 at the start of a Congress (0+ / 0-)

                            Rules can be changed at the beginning of a Congress with simple majority vote, as Tom Udall pointed out with his Constitutional option at the beginning of this one.  He wasn't supported by Reid or the leadership, and the paralysis we've seen is directly consequent to that decision.

                            Your SCOTUS argument is based on belief, not evidence or reasoning.  And as I've tried to show you, there's no good reason to believe what you do in the specific cases I've cited.  But belief doesn't need reason, does it?

                            Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

                            by Dallasdoc on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 07:52:28 AM PDT

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          •  Dallasdoc, I gave money to the E. Warren campaign. (0+ / 0-)

            Keep in mind that the GOP want to bury her alive or eat her half-cooked.

            She is very qualified to be the keynote speaker BUT she will be very polarizing. That is exactly what the GOP is waiting for. Forget about the DNC convention. The news 24/7 will be about the "nasty, liar, corrupt" DNC keynote speaker, Elizabeth Warren.

            And that may affect her chance in the MA Senate race.

            •  Seriously? (0+ / 0-)

              We can't have her keynote because the GOP will attack?  This should be the fight the Democrats feature throughout the campaign.  They're running an asshole plutocrat and holding the economy hostage to tax cuts for billionaires, while taking huge gobs of money from them.  Elizabeth Warren would throw the parties into sharp relief on the most important issue in the campaign, and put Democrats in the best possible light.

              If they want to go with "nasty, liar, corrupt," then pointing to their presidential candidate and using those same words won't end well for them.

              Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

              by Dallasdoc on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:42:59 AM PDT

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        •  I totally get it (0+ / 0-)

          That you don't want the old foggie vote.  You don't need to worry about getting it.  

          •  i don't think you understand the demographics (5+ / 0-)

            when i waited tables in texas, the old joke was that the definition of "tex-mex" was "white people working FOH, mexicans in the kitchen."  to this day, i still call spinach "spinaca."

            anyhoo, a few years back, i was in virginia visiting family and guess what?  the definition held there, too.

            you know what else?  last time i visited my grandpa in bumfucknowhere, indiana, we stood in line behind a latino family at the store.

            if you think our latino populations are relegated to the south/southwest, i've got some oceanfront property in arizona that might interest you.

            Die with your boots on. If you're gonna try, well stick around. Gonna cry? Just move along. The truth of all predictions is always in your hands. - Iron Maiden

            by Cedwyn on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:33:59 AM PDT

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          •  Talk about chasing a hopeless (0+ / 0-)

            demographic.

            Cede the old fogey vote to Mitt, because he is an old fogey. He was born that way.

            •  You just have your own biases (0+ / 0-)

              That's what I am talking about.  You aren't trying to win the 2020 election.  I think you folks don't have a clue how many old white voters there are in the Midwest.  You don't want them?  Well you lose.  Go ahead and tell them they are not your party.  Well I expect Bill Clinton won't forget them but he might not be enough.

      •  I do think Warren's spot (4+ / 0-)

        leading into Bill Clinton's speech will also attract a lot of viewers.  Their speeches may be the headlines for the next few days.  It's a great combination.

        The truth always matters.

        by texasmom on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:14:00 AM PDT

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        •  We'll see (2+ / 0-)
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          Warren is one of many speechifiers at the convention, as she's positioned.  Her issues could be magnified by Clinton's nominating speech, but that'll be out of her control.  Bill Clinton is hardly the best advocate for the issues Warren champions, though, needless to say.

          Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. --- Howard Zinn

          by Dallasdoc on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:15:39 AM PDT

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      •  He may not be the face you're looking for (1+ / 0-)
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        but the United States will be a minority majority within the next generation.

        If the middle class is going to be rebuilt, it will be faces like Mayor Castro's who do the building.

    •  There are more Democrats in Texas (15+ / 0-)

      then there are in many northern states. Just because we have been outvoted in recent elections is not a reason to ignore us. I don't know about the whole "red state culture" thing. This is where I live. I will be proud to see a young energetic Latino Texan as the Democratic keynote speaker, and I think it will energize a lot of potential voters, and not just in Texas, who might otherwise have stayed home.

    •  that's the kind of thinking (3+ / 0-)
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      that gives Yankees a bad name. And just unless you've forgotten, there are New England states with  wingnut problems, too.

      •  There are lots of Latino citizens here in Mass. (2+ / 0-)
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        and in other New England states as well.  It will be important to motivate them to get out and vote.  The Warren camp understands this and so do the unions.

        "Better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a sprit of charity than the constant omissions of a government frozen in the ice of it's own indifference." F.D. Roosevelt

        by brae70 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:48:51 AM PDT

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  •  This is strategic thinking par exellence (11+ / 0-)

    The GOP has rejected the single largest group that is going to be the lifeblood of American politics in the near future. President Obama is smart to think of the future consolidation of the Democratic coalition, regardless of what happens this November. Long term thinking baby Ha!

    This is even sweeter in view of the way the GOP just treated Rubio, and spit him out.

    Both Julian Castro and his twin brother Joaquim Castro are perfectly poised to be big players in growing the strength of Latinos in the Democratic party. It puts Texas on notice for a future Blue state Coup D'etat.

    And on a snark side, their last names will irritate the Goopers to no end. How "communist" Ha!

    "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

    by zizi on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 06:43:59 AM PDT

  •  Great news! (12+ / 0-)

    Our mayor is everything the Dems need on the national stage - smart, young, good looking (face it - looks count for a lot in our society!) - with lots of good progresive initiatives being implemented here deep in the red-country part of the country.

    Good to showcase an outstanding young-ish Democrat with oodles of camera-ready good looks, but he is also the future of the party and we need to make sure the huge demographic he represents is not only included but in a position to drive the party, and the country.

    And, he is just a decent, smart, competent man in addition to all the "bells and whistles" of looks and ethnic identity...the surface stuff is nice but he backs it all up with lots of intellectual firepower and hard work.

    I am so looking forward to seeing him deliver the address! So proud of our good Mayor and not surprised to see him being featured on the national stage.

    I remember a young guy from Illinois giving a speech one year at the Democratic convention.....not sure what happened to him. Oh - RIGHT! :-)

    "one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress" -- John Adams

    by blue armadillo on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 06:51:01 AM PDT

    •  I am thrilled beyond measure (7+ / 0-)

      And it is so sad to see some folks on this thread mouthing bigoted dissent without having any facts to back up their nonsense. They simply assume Castro was chosen because of ethnicity and not his actual accomplishments as you lucidly enumerate here. yeah the same old same old. If you are not Caucasian then you must have been chosen because of race and not your competence. That thinking galls me to no end.

      Thanks for the info on Castro.

      "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

      by zizi on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:02:33 AM PDT

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    •  We've seen him speak twice (7+ / 0-)

      and were impressed with his ability to connect with the audience - or crowd, in the case of the TX Save Our Schools rally last spring.  

      I think Elizabeth Warren's speech leading into Pres. Clinton's address may also be a prime spot - a lot of people will be settling down to hear Bill.  I think they will provide a good one-two punch.  

      The truth always matters.

      by texasmom on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:05:29 AM PDT

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  •  This means that the GOP is now forced to put (4+ / 0-)
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    Rubio on in prime time.  And all they have is hate, so Rubio will go full Teabagger to placate all those White people in the audience.

    In the words of Inigo Montoya...

    "Humiliations galore"

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:10:21 AM PDT

  •  Disturbing comments on this thread (11+ / 0-)

    I am deeply disturbed by some of the comments on this thread regarding the choice of Julian Castro to Keynote the DNC. Some seem to think he's been simply because of his ethnicity and I find that thinking offensive. It would be one thing if these commenters knew about the RECORD of Castro before leaping to baseless conclusions about his qualification to speak.

    It is one thing to tout Elizabeth Warren as the better choice. That is an opinion that one can advocate. However to disparage another choice for baseless "ethnic" reasons is to do exactly what the other party does - bigotry. What makes the dissenters not think that Castro TOO is an advocate for Middle class values?

    Here's Castro speaking, and check out what he has done in San Antonio before disparaging the choice to have him speak.

    The future of the Democratic party lies in energizing it on all fronts, else it dies.

    "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

    by zizi on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:32:55 AM PDT

  •  Here's Julian CAstro giving TED talk (6+ / 0-)

    Here he's talking about Education

    "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

    by zizi on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:46:25 AM PDT

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