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So???  You must be asking yourself...well it's a big deal because it might point to a couple of sub plots that might be going on here.....

1.  It adds a significant amount of credibility to what Harry is saying.  Reid is not only a senator, leader of the Democrats in the Senate, leader of the Senate BUT he is also a Mormon.  That adds a lot of heft to what he has to say.  You may think it's not important but for those sitting on the fence, that is a critical point.  Trust me...I've used it as the last resort in my arguments and it's ALWAYS been the last nail in the coffin.

2.  This may also point to a broader narrative.  Mitt has always been Mitt.  He has assumed that normal rules don't apply to him(Seamus, bullying kids, offshore accounts, dressage, retroactivity etc. etc. etc.).  He has thrown his wealth around as a shield to protect him from the riff raff.  That could also mean that the number of people he has pissed of in his life in the Mormon community is also significant.  The Mormons are perhaps not ALL united in their support(remember the Huntsman's).  There are probably some pretty interesting stories to be told, if they ever come out.  The fact that a fairly senior, prominent Mormon is willing to go on the Senate floor and call out Mitt is pretty incredible, if you think about it?  If Mitt has been Mitt all his life, then his behavior has probably not changed.  Imagine if you were a young Mormon person when Mitt was off in France living in a villa with servants etc. doing his mission and you were off in some corner of the third world...you might hold a grudge.

3.  The "you people" comment was not just words uttered by Ann Romney...it's a way of thinking, it's a way of life for the uber rich.   I've seen it, been there, experienced it...it's palpable and very real.  And it breeds a ton of resentment.  If Mitt and his family have been accorded some kind of exalted status amongst the Mormon faith because of his wealth, it has to have created a fair amount of backlash.

By the way, I saw some people start calling him Rmoney...a slight modification of that would be R money......our money....hehehehehe!

I sure hope the Obama team does not let up on this issue.  I don't think Reid is correct in what he is saying BUT I do think that R Money cannot release the taxes for other reasons...too many foreign accounts, tax doges, residency issues between Utah and Mass. related to him running for governor etc. etc.

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  •  I think you are getting hotter and hotter (7+ / 0-)

    Mitt has done something within the Mormon Community to prompt getting outed on his taxes.

    As a former Auditor myself - when the subject withholds the records - in this case the Tax Returns - then the Auditor make a reasonable estimate based on the available facts.

    And in this case - this former Auditor concurs totally with Harry Reid.

    •  One theory is that (9+ / 0-)

      he did not tithe the required 10%.

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      by peacearena on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 06:06:45 AM PDT

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      •  heard that on the edges too (3+ / 0-)
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        but I'm assuming that the Presidency may be more important to Mitt than his standing in the church but I could be wrong.

      •  alternative theory (4+ / 0-)
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        Alternative theory is that he sends one set of numbers to the church and another set of numbers to the government.  The one year we do know something about his taxes, he tithed something like 17%.  Yet Ann has stated that they always give 10%.  That implies, to me, that he's more honest with the Mormons than with the IRS.

        But it's possible that there have been years that he bailed out on his tithes, claiming 'losses', and the church suspects that he had no such thing.  So it could be an attempt at an end-run from church authorities to get him to cough up back dues.

        But gee, it's all speculation.  Too bad he hasn't released his taxes, then we'd have to shut up about this.

      •  Mitt willing to tithe to church, but not to USA (0+ / 0-)

        Bet he gave more to the Mormon wingnuttery than to his country, and his records show it.
        I may change my tag line. "Mitt will not tithe to his country."

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        by ontario on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 08:19:24 AM PDT

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  •  Umm, really?? - referring to this: (2+ / 0-)
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    "he is also a Mormon.  That adds a lot of heft to what he has to say"

    strange, strange stuff!!

    •  well, it at least starts some (0+ / 0-)

      Mormon-no-Mormon action, which is better than nothing.


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      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 06:23:03 AM PDT

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    •  strange? (0+ / 0-)

      sorry...not sure what your comment is referring to....it adds a lot of heft because he is a fellow mormon criticizing Mitt...same as a african american democratic politician were to do the same to Obama?  It adds perceptional credence?

      •  not really. I give no shift to anything alan west (3+ / 0-)
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        has to say about anyone, especially the President.   Same goes with michael steele.  Really any of the AA critics they drag up.

        same as a african american democratic politician were to do the same to Obama
         It goes to the fact that you're putting a Mormon of the opposing party the same heft as a Mormon of the same party.  Reid is not a publican.  His religion makes no difference. He opposes rMoney regardless of any religion.

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        by dougymi on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 06:35:19 AM PDT

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      •  Maybe Harry has some good attributes (0+ / 0-)

        (with "maybe" being the key word there!) but being Mormon surely isn't one of them.

        Heck, that's the group that brought down Prop 8 in CA (and still has tax exempt status, for fuck's sake).

        So, belonging to a group of lying, bigoted, sacks of shits hardly enhances one's credibility in my view.

        And no, a AA dem criticizing Obama has no special resonance - for example that guy from NJ (the mayor of Camden) who dissed him over his anti-vulture capitalism electioneering . . .

  •  well (1+ / 0-)
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    Harry Reid is a convert to the religion.  Mitt was born of Mormon royalty, descended from one of the original families.  

    As outsiders we can never truly know about the hierarchical machinations within the Mormon community, but it's plausible that opportunities were offered to Mitt and his family that would not be available to someone who did not begin life within the religion.

  •  The mormons in Boston (3+ / 0-)
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    are talking about what a jerk Romney was as a Bishop.

    Romney was part of a little circle of elite sons of the elite at Brigham Young.  He and the others in this clique are descendents of the founders of the Mormon movement.  This little group of entitled guys decided that Mitt would be President.  

    How could such blatant arrogance not annoy other Mormons?  The Mormon's once an equalitarian community based on mutual help and pledged honesty has devolved into a cess pool of special interests and favoritism shown to the big donors.  And that kind of thing pushes against the actual teachings of the Mormon religion, so like any value based organization people complain, and factionalize and even come out and say the emperor is naked.

    Many Mormons find Romney and the LDS  elite obnoxious.  

    Harry Reed is a Mormon.

  •  Reid's pointed "Mitt's father would be ashamed" (5+ / 0-)
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    comment was highly interesting.  Not the sort of thing a politician usually says.  No, it was a Rebuke Card being played, with that comment.

    I wondered then if it had something to do with the father and son (Romneys) being Mormons, and if Mitt has shafted the Feds in paying his fair share, perhaps he has also shafted the Mormon Church?  And perhaps the source told Reid this also, (and perhaps the source too is a Mormon), but Reid wanted to keep the bully pulpit focused on the tax filings issue.

    Just conjecture on my part, but I repeat, it was eyebrow-raising for Reid to play the "shaming your father, Mitt" card the way that he did.

  •  Actually, the real question is (1+ / 0-)
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    Do the Dems want to resort to the same Rovian type of smear tactics the GOP has used successfully many many times?  Unfounded rumors, half-truths, innuendos, lies?

    Most Democrats and Independents could care less about a person's religious beliefs.  But a major element in the GOP (the Religious Right) has major fits about it.  Should the Dems play up to the fears of the GOP's constituents?  Should they point out that "Mormons aren't Christians", and cause them to cannibalize their own candidate?  

    Do the Democrats sink down to GOP level - or stick to higher principals (like the truth) and possibly lose the election?   The GOP has used the uninformed, non-political Americans (who believe everything they see and hear and don't "fact-check" anything) to their advantage.  Should the Dems join in the dirt?

  •  The fact that Harry Reid is a Mormon matters. (2+ / 0-)
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    I don't watch cable news but my parents do.  At the end of the day we discuss the news and Harry Reid came up.  My parents did not know Senator Reid is a Mormon and that little fact in their eyes gave him more credibility when he said Romney paid no taxes for 10 years.  They didn't expand on it and I didn't ask but seemed to have made a difference.  

  •  I can't (3+ / 0-)
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    shake the idea that this isn't a coincidence either. The "schism" thing makes sense in terms of there being a group of LDS who don't want to see him elected, knowing he'll screw things up and make them look awful in the long run? Or ... they know him well, and like him even less because of it.

    Also, referring to Senator Reid as "Harry" like that (which I believe he did) sounded a real "us and them" tone.

  •  It still bugs the hell outta me that he's a bishop (0+ / 0-)

    If Romney was a Catholic bishop, Jewish rabbi or any other clergyman it would similarly offend me. 'Pastors' make my skin crawl.

  •  More Credit Than He Deserves (1+ / 0-)
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    I find it fascinating that people think Romney is a "high ranking" Mormon official.  

    I have a lot of Mormon family and friends.  And they never heard of Romney until the Utah Olympics.  They have only heard of him since in the news, not in the church.

    I am also willing to bet that none of my Mormon family and friends know that Harry Reid is Mormon.  (There is a basic disconnect there.  If he isn't Republican, the thought that he could be Mormon never occurs.)

    While it is true Romney comes from a "Mormon Dynasty," that isn't all that special.  The Mormon founders had several of wives and dozens of kids who went on to have dozens more.  I've lost track of the number of Mormons who, when we're introduced, tell me they are the 5th great-grandson of Hyrum Smith or Brigham Young or whomever.  (All have been overtly saddened when I failed to be impressed.)

    The fact is that Romney failed to move up the Mormon ladder.  He was a bishop and stake president -- both local callings.  But then failed to keep moving up.  From there, "prominent Mormons" become Mission Presidents, Regional Representatives, Seventy, and Apostles.

    If you were to compare Romney's positions in the church to a political career, he would have gained some attention in his city, moved on to do some stuff at the county level, then failed to gain any state or national attention.  Hardly a "high ranking" official.

    Most of my Mormon family and friends will vote for Romney because he's Mormon.  But they have never considered him a "high ranking" Mormon.

    •  Of Course... (0+ / 0-)

      I said:

      Most of my Mormon family and friends will vote for Romney because he's Mormon.
      Of course, most of my Mormon family and friends would have voted for Santorum had he been nominated, simply because he was the Republican candidate.

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