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Chick Fil A recently had an appreciation day that, as far as I can tell, was a big success. Today protestors are having a "kiss in" in which homosexuals kiss at Chick Fil A. I encourage opponents of Chick Fil A to protest in whatever way they want. Dan Cathy is a large corporate owner who needs to feel things in his pocketbook. Unfortunately, sometimes in their zeal, people step over a line.

I think that anger and zeal need to be properly addressed to the right individuals. For instance, we know that the economy is in such a predicament that a large portion of the population may be trapped working low wage jobs for years to come. We know that for many students coming out of college, jobs aren't opening up, or companies are trying to squeeze workers with high qualifications into low paying slots. In the search for work, people need something to get by, and often food service is a place where work is available.

For people working the mundane routine of fast food service, it may be nice to rely on a company that provides a consistent day off every week. This applies whether a person is a student or a laid off worker looking for something better. For students it's a place to earn money while putting time into their studies. For some it's the only job available. When the difference is deciding between whether to work at Chick Fil A, McDonald's or Wendy's, a person doesn't always have a choice, especially when considering limited mobility.

For instance, the local university has fast food stores within it and around it. Within a half hour's walking distance are a series of fast food stores and other mid level restaurants. Some people only have the experience, and the mobility, to work in places like these. I'd even argue that, the same as a person doesn't often choose to take unemployment aid, they also don't choose to make a life of living in fast food service. It's a result of circumstances.

So when it comes to protesting, zeal must be properly placed. A Biblical Proverb, Proverbs 19:2, says "It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way." For protestors of Chick Fil A, the protest must be smart. In the same way that the foibles of conservative draw instant condemnation from the progressive circles, the foibles of progressives will draw instant condemnation from conservatives. What happens is an increasing divide between the two sides, arguing over video clips and talking points.

The gay community needs to be loud and vocal about demanding its equal rights. There's no place in America where a person should be denied visiting rights to a partner in the hospital, or economic benefits when engaging in a healthy relationship, benefits denied to them simply on the basis of orientation. However, wars are won by picking the right battles. Berating a minimum wage employee for a job they might not have much choice in doesn't further a cause, as much as provide smug indulgence for the one berating.

For owners like Cathy, confrontations like these do nothing but earn more sympathy. This patron was a CFO and college lecturer of finance berating a low wage worker at a fast food restaurant. He should have know better, honestly, and it does nothing to affect Cathy or earn sympathy for gay rights. Instead it became a right wing talking point. So again, protest. Please, withhold your money from Chick Fil A, if your conscience tells you to. Whatever you do, though, address your zeal appropriately. Address it toward people like Cathy who wield the money, not the low wage workers that get used like pawns already.

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  •  I agree, don't like the video... (8+ / 0-)

    ...taking it out on a girl who may or may not even know what Chik-Fil-Hate actually does with their profits doesn't advance the debate one bit.

    Kudos to her for reacting calmly and courteously to that ambush.

  •  This pie fight already happened in another diary. (2+ / 0-)
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    Please, don't create a venue for another one.

    I applaud what this guy did, and it's wrong that he got fired from his job because of this video. I will not "sit down and shut up" like you and your group want.

    "smug indulgence"... like diaries and comments saying we shouldn't stand up against Chick Fil A.

    Before someone else says "I'm not saying you shouldn't protest," yeah, you are.

    BTW, I actually agree with businesses that choose to close on Sunday. Having a consistent day off is nice.

    Attitudes like this is why liberals always seem to lose more than  the conservatives do. We're too afraid of offending somebody. (except for offending other liberals, like in this pie fight about the same subject.)

    Maybe I shouldn't link it, but the group that opposes protests against Chick Fil A should see the ugly results of their "Inappropriate zeal".

    "I read this- Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. I read every last word of this garbage, and because of this piece of $#!^ I'm never reading again!"-Officer Barbrady

    by Broke And Unemployed on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 01:37:23 PM PDT

    •  I support (6+ / 0-)

      Today's kiss in protest. I don't support berating a low level employee.

    •  This diarist has a valid point. (5+ / 0-)
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      MKSinSA, Spit, MWV, Prachar, Dirtandiron

      Do I care if people are offended by gays kissing? No. Do I care if they want to lump me in with that jackass who ripped into a low level employee who has zero power to change the dynamics of the company she works for? Absolutely.

      No one opposes protesting them. That wasn't a protest, that was an ambush, a pointless exercise in further humiliating someone with no power to change the status quo.

      While many minority groups are the target for discrimination, few face this hostility without the support and acceptance of their family as do many glbt youth.

      by azrefugee on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 02:47:40 PM PDT

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    •  This diary isn't a pie fighter, unless you choose (0+ / 0-)

      to make it one.  I haven't checked out the link you referenced yet, and maybe that one was.

      The diarist just pointed out that there are good tactics and  bad tactics.  Smart moves and dumb moves.  Adam Smith, the corporate executive who made the video, might  have intended to help the cause, but he most certainly didn't.

      His video and the backlash to it took up precious space in the argument.  Chick-fil-A has a record setting day on Wednesday, and the focus should have been on the counter protest on Friday.  We should have expected some good viral video coming off of that?  Do we?  Not really.  But Adam Smith's gone viral.  His firing gets about as much news coverage as the Kiss-A-Chick protest, and now his YouTube apology to Rachel.

      Mr Smith didn't help the cause at all.  He hurt it.  The diarist isn't creating a pie fight in my eyes, he's only asking that we learn from Mr. Smith's mistakes.

      Dont Mourn, Organize !#konisurrender

      by cks175 on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 07:18:11 PM PDT

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  •  "Homosexuals" kissing? (4+ / 0-)

    You may be technically right, but that's not how most people talk about gay folks these days.

    Just sayin'.

  •  Oh and let me guess -- YOU'RE the person (3+ / 0-)

    who has the final say on where "the line" is, or where it is "appropriate" to address one's zeal.

    Pure unadulterated arrogance.  Women would still be unable to vote if the likes of you had your way.

    •  Nice, bashing a call for civility (0+ / 0-)

      How is the Civil Rights movement remembered? How is the Women's Suffrage movement remembered?

      “Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal.” MLK Jr

      a little bit of this, a little bit of that

      by MWV on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 05:06:36 PM PDT

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  •  I had another idea.... (1+ / 0-)
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    in regards to giving Chick-fil-a the business.

    Why don't we have protestors out in front of chick-fil-as all over the country protesting with horribly graphic pics like the right-wing crazies do to Planned Parenthood?  They could be pics of gay people doing gay stuff or they could be graphic pictures of chickens - either way, sounds like a recipe for hilarity and also making a point.

    Facts are liberally bias

    by SuzieQ4624 on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 01:54:33 PM PDT

    •  "Why don't we..." (1+ / 0-)
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      Why don't we have protestors out in front of chick-fil-as all over the country protesting with horribly graphic pics like the right-wing crazies do to Planned Parenthood?
      Um, because most civilized people find that kind of thing repulsive?  I can't imagine anything positive that would come out of such an action.
    •  Don't like your connecting gays to animal torture. (0+ / 0-)
      with horribly graphic pics like the right-wing crazies do to Planned Parenthood?  They could be pics of gay people doing gay stuff or they could be graphic pictures of chickens
      Using HORRIBLY GRAPHIC pics of GAY PEOPLE or CHICKENS?????  

      So in your eyes, reinforcing the connotation that GAY IS BAD helps the cause how?  

      Dont Mourn, Organize !#konisurrender

      by cks175 on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 07:31:40 PM PDT

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      •  OMG, I have no idea how you.... (0+ / 0-)

        even got that idea from what I said.  

        I was only suggesting to use the right wings own idiotic behavior against them.  They believe seeing a picture of an aborted fetus will stop people from going to planned parenthood and therefore hurt their business.  So maybe using a picture of a decapitated chicken would stop people from eating chicken sandwiches, which would hurt Chickfilas business.  Or people that are really that homophobic, seeing a picture of two guys kissing might make them think twice about going to Chickfila.  I don't think gayness is bad, but obviously there are some people out there that do, so if a picture of two guys making out prevents them from reinforcing Chickfila's horrendously bad behavior by patronizing their restaurant, seems like a win-win.  How is having a picture of two guys kissing different than last week's kiss in, where live gay guys were kissing?  Please, explain the difference to me, I am very curious.

        Being hypersenstive to everything doesn't help the cause either, just an FYI.

        Facts are liberally bias

        by SuzieQ4624 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 08:30:11 AM PDT

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  •  Those low wage workers have enough shit (7+ / 0-)

    to deal with.  Have you ever worked that gig? It sucks.  it sucks hard.  It's not like it was a career choice they aspired to.

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    by The Dead Man on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 01:58:01 PM PDT

  •  That Dude In That Video (10+ / 0-)

    is an asshole. The women, well I stand with her. It is so easy to say you hate this or that. She is just working and trying to get a pay check. End of story.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 02:11:00 PM PDT

    •  I stand with the guy.. (0+ / 0-)

      ...that expressed his opinion. So expressing your opinion is being an asshole?

      I guess we'll just fight with each other while Chick Fil A rakes in the profits.

      "I read this- Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. I read every last word of this garbage, and because of this piece of $#!^ I'm never reading again!"-Officer Barbrady

      by Broke And Unemployed on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 02:19:54 PM PDT

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      •  The guy was wrong, it was a planned act of random (4+ / 0-)
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        verbal assault and he video taped his deed and uploaded it to shame her even more on a national level.

        Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

        I does nothing, zero, zip to help a worthy fight for gay equality.  Nothing!

      •  Sometimes (3+ / 0-)
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        expressing your opinion is being an asshole. Not necessarily, no, but sometimes, it can be.

        "I don't know how you can live with yourself" to a low-paid employee who needs to handle her rent and bills and probably has her own complex thoughts on all of it but fundamentally probably needed a job in a bad economy -- that goes into asshole.

        And the guy can take his "I'm straight, by the way" crap and shove it, as far as my queer former-food-service-employee ass is concerned. Tired of it.

        Aim it the right way.

        •  "straight, by the way. Not a gay gene in me"? WTF (0+ / 0-)

          What the hell was that supposed to mean?

          That statement reeks of white privilege.   In other words, we should take his words more seriously because he is a straight white male, speaking for all the "little people"

          Fuck him.

          Dont Mourn, Organize !#konisurrender

          by cks175 on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 07:38:58 PM PDT

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  •  Watching That Video Gives Me The Same Feeling (5+ / 1-)

    as watching this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    The Republican Party is Simply a Coalition of Greed and Hate

    by kerplunk on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 03:48:26 PM PDT

    •  Link is the Tea Party mocking a Parkinson's victim (0+ / 0-)

      just to warn people before they click your link and fall into your little trap.

      Wow. That's not the same at all. Comparing this guy talking about gay rights to the Tea Party picking on a disabled man is completely wrong. You can disagree with his actions, but damn. Sorry. Chic Fil A protesters are not the hateful Tea Party.

      And HR'd for it. Get on Twitter and tell your friends to uprate it, then complain about supposed HR abuse. But I will always throw a donut at anyone who compares any liberal action to that crap unless it's really warranted. (Spoiler: It's not) WTF.

      "I read this- Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. I read every last word of this garbage, and because of this piece of $#!^ I'm never reading again!"-Officer Barbrady

      by Broke And Unemployed on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 04:25:40 PM PDT

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      •  Hey well give me a donut too. I feel the same and (1+ / 0-)
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        I asked you in the other diary this question but you had no answer:

         Let me ask you how you would feel about a video showing a red neck tea bagger driving thru a Starbucks window and videotaping himself degrading a 20 year old girl for 30 seconds about how she should be ashamed because she works for a company who gives money to support killing babies?  He then takes that video and loads it up on You Tube....you ok with that?

        Would you be appalled??  Shouldn't he be able to fight corporations in politics??  If he didn't grab her or yell, then does it make it ok?  He only told her how he feels, didn't he?

        No, that would make him a ass too....plain and simple.

        What this guy in this video did was wrong all day long!  Period.  

        Give me a donut and I uprated kerplunk because you had no reason to HR him to begin with.

        •  You can chase me from diary to diary if you want (0+ / 0-)

          but I didn't read this message either. I won't take the bait. I'm done arguing with you.

          "I read this- Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. I read every last word of this garbage, and because of this piece of $#!^ I'm never reading again!"-Officer Barbrady

          by Broke And Unemployed on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 05:59:49 PM PDT

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  •  How do you make billionaires feel pain? (0+ / 0-)

    Serious question.  If the target is as incredibly wealthy as the Cathy family, exactly what possible pain can you dish out in absence of a felony conviction for...well...something?

  •  Good point. (0+ / 0-)

    I've gotten overly combative in some 2nd Amendment talks recently, but the consensus among RKBA is and has been that honest question, anwser and reproach--with a bit of generosity--works a hell of a lot better than casting stones.  Didn't much think of it until this Chick-Fil-A mess came to head, but after watching that video I at least should take a look back at how I've treated people in arguments and do better.

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