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Here's a thought (and I know those are dangerous from time to time)... But if President Obama was saying one month (May of this year) that we needed more investment in roads and bridges, because they were in "desperate need of repair" then how can he turn around and say later (July of this year) that "if you've got a business, somebody else made that happen" referring to the roads and bridges that "somebody" invested in, but which he had previously said are in desperate need of repair? The two thoughts do not seem to add up, or even seem to be able to exist at the same time in the same head. Can someone explain that?

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  •  We had a better economy in the past (5+ / 0-)

    When we invested more in roads and bridges.  If we invested more in infrastructure now, then more people would have businesses and more people would be employed by those businesses.  Those businesses don't just pop up out of nowhere.

  •  Quite simple. (9+ / 0-)

    Rethugs cut investment in infrastructure after they got what they wanted out of it.

    They are fully willing to take advantage of other peoples money, as long as they personally do not have to pay for it.

    We need investment in infrastructure PRECISELY because the Rethugs didn't make their businesses all by themselves.  

    Perfectly consistent.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 09:47:57 PM PDT

  •  If roads and bridges exist (7+ / 0-)

    Then somebody invested in them in the past.  I agree.  You had a logical lapse.

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 10:03:25 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for your concern. (3+ / 0-)
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    kyril, Ahianne, Smoh

    If you're lucky this diary will go a little better than your other one, which seems to have been deleted. What was that about?

  •  Maybe it's just me, but I totally don't see (7+ / 0-)

    dissonance between the two statements. At all.

    Having something is one thing. Repairing and maintaining it is another. EVERYONE pays for both.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 10:36:31 PM PDT

  •  I take it (6+ / 0-)
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    Lost and Found, hannah, TFinSF, JeffW, Ahianne, Smoh

    you don't have a firm grasp of the concept of time.

  •  You're comparing apples and lemons (7+ / 0-)

    But I think you know that.

    Apples:
    This page takes you to a listing of all of the items that comprise America's infrastructure.  These are the things our President says are in "desperate need of repair".  See, the really funny thing about infrastructure is that once you build it, you have to maintain it.  If you don't maintain it, it's going to break.  Generally if it breaks - and there's an apple beneath it, you get applesauce.

    Lemons:
    This page takes you to a list of all of the infrastructure items businesses paid for directly.  I'll bet that you noticed that the second link doesn't go anywhere.  That's because businesses don't directly pay for America's infrastructure.  With me so far?  

    So, if business doesn't directly pay for infrastructure, logic would dictate that the President is right, "somebody else made that happen".  But here's where it gets cute.  So despite the fact that much of our nations infrastructure is now composed of lemons - business people  get free lemonade by using the infrastructure without actually having built or maintained an inch of it.  In other words "they didn't build that".  

    You seem like the intellectually curious type.  
    So here's a little more:
    If you look at the box on the left of the infrastructure page, you'll see that America is considered structurally deficient by our country's civil engineers.  That means lots of potential applesauce (and if businesses will have to go out of their way for their free lemonade, they are going to make you pay for it).  

    FYI Civil Engineers don't drive trains - they generally build and repair things. They go to colleges and universities (where critical thinking is dispensed) to learn how to build, maintain, and repair things which could kill people (back to the  applesauce thing) if they break.  

    I know that parsing the President's statements to make him sound silly is a lot of fun, but looking at that list and making sure your son or daughter isn't turned to applesauce would be a much better use of your time.

    I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

    by Hey338Too on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 11:34:38 PM PDT

    •  That's an interesting comment, and for you to (5+ / 0-)

      leave it where very few people will ever see it seems like a missed opportunity. You might consider turning it into a diary.

    •  People who take the intent for the act (3+ / 0-)
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      don't get the difference between meaning to get something done and actually doing it.
      It's not just our current interlocutor who seems to have that problem. Exxon Mobil has an ad up touting natural gas in which it is claimed that "all it takes is the idea," to have a hundred year supply.
      It's this kind of thinking which "creates jobs" by "encouraging job creators." It's all in the right prompt.

      Also, some people cannot distinguish between quantity and quality -- in this case, the number of roads and bridges and whether or not they'll hold up in a storm. Perhaps it's a form v. function problem -- what a thing is versus what it does. If doing/movement/change are not able to be perceived, then there's nothing to see.

      I think Plato first introduced us to people whose perception of reality is restricted to the sense of sight. In his allegory of the cave, the denizens seem to register neither sound, nor smell, nor temperature, nor the movement of air. It's as if the other four basic senses were turned off.
      Is it the lack of a sense of touch which accounts for some people having no sense of

      direction
      distance
      order
      sequence
      circumstance
      situation

      for being "out of touch?" We don't really know much about our skin, the largest organ in the body.  What information does it transmit?  We are learning that some people are super-sensitive and some people are in-sensitive. We're all variable.

      Willard's forte = "catch 'n' cage". He's not into "catch and release."

      by hannah on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 12:46:10 AM PDT

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    •  I think his supposed intellectual interest only (5+ / 0-)

      goes as far  as his political position and trying to be clever like his favorite talking head. It is the sillest question I have heard here and it has to have something to do with tea.

      How can you tell when Rmoney is lying? His lips are moving. Fear is the Mind Killer

      by boophus on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 01:38:36 AM PDT

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    •  I agree with lost and found. (1+ / 0-)
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      Hey338Too

      This is a great comment and diary worthy.  Thanks.

      Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

      by Smoh on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 07:58:09 AM PDT

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  •  This diary is definitely a logical lapse. (5+ / 0-)

    Are you really arguing that the roads and bridges we have, even those in need of repair, were built by the businesses that depend on them?  Many of these businesses get so much corporate welfare they pay hardly any taxes at all.

    ....no longer in SF.... -9.00, -7.38

    by TFinSF on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 03:18:51 AM PDT

  •  you ask: (4+ / 0-)

    'The two thoughts do not seem to add up, or even seem to be able to exist at the same time in the same head. Can someone explain that?'

    i guess logic is in the head of the beholder then, eh?

    'Well-behaved women seldom make historyā€¯ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

    by dear occupant on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 03:29:15 AM PDT

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