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{Diary updated to include recent rampage killing at the Sikh temple at Oak Creek, WI on 8/5/2012)

This is for the family of and for Christina Taylor-Green, an innocent child shot down in cold blood by a madman armed with deadly weapons, and all the rest who continue to suffer from our obvious domestic terror problem. I refuse to concede to armed madmen and to the sad enablers of these madmen-- currently "serving" in our Congress and the sad enablers running the NRA. Everything in our Constitution and contained in any sort of moral/religious code demands we must take action.

I'm not interested in endless "analysis" of the problem. we've seen this movie several times now. There is a discernible pattern.

Let's hold off for now on the snarky references to the great Phillip K. Dick. I've read most of his books, some of them twice. I know enough to guess he'd be wondering why
we don't do alot more to stop the carnage-- given the technology at our disposal, and the gigantic amount of our tax dollars spent by local, state, federal law enforcement and various security agencies (16? of them).

Common threads in his work: Statism (corruption, fascism) and the pitfalls of UNreality. Solzhenitsyn also covers this (unreality) with his prescient observations regarding our "technosphere"... but this is for another diary.

This won't be the thread for endless hand-wringing, re: what is and what is not an assault weapon.. what is/is not an automatic weapon. Again, we've seen this movie before. Congress made the call on this before; time to do it again with some expansion.

Not interested in sacrificing further innocent lives, including dozens of children per year, on the altar of the Second Amendment. That said, nothing as drastic as repeal of the Second Amendment is needed.

I'm not implying ALL mass murders can be preempted. I am stating some of them obviously can be and it's time for our various "security" agencies like the DHS and law enforcement to get on board much more actively.

My apology for the length of the diary; I think the subject matter justifies.

Mission Statement of the Dept. of Homeland Security

The Department of Homeland Security has a vital mission: to secure the nation from the many threats we face. This requires the dedication of more than 240,000 employees in jobs that range from aviation and border security to emergency response, from cybersecurity analyst to chemical facility inspector. Our duties are wide-ranging, but our goal is clear - keeping America safe.
Where is the security? Who exactly is evaluating the performance of this Department? What is the metric for success?
The United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is a cabinet department of the United States federal government, created in response to the September 11 attacks, and with the primary responsibilities of protecting the United States of America and U.S. Territories (including Protectorates)[vague] from and responding to terrorist attacks, man-made accidents, and natural disasters. In fiscal year 2011 it was allocated a budget of $98.8 billion and spent, net, $66.4 billion.
Nearly $100 Billion dollars per year alloted.

"The Joker" was the last straw, IMHO. That, plus Trayvon Martin, the four year old child shot in the head in Brooklyn recently, and now the rampage killing of peaceful, God seeking Sikhs in Oak Creek, WI. All totally beyond acceptable.

It's time for Congress to answer for their denial and lack of sense of urgency regarding our all too frequent  domestic terror problem. And I'm not just referring to the repuglicans. The carnage and terror requires we move beyond partisanship.

When President Clinton and the one percenters in Congress decided they wanted NAFTA, they put it on the legislative fast track and got it done in what? 60 days at the most? Obviously things can get done in DC.

I'm looking primarily (for now) at the recent Oak Creek, WI Sikh Temple rampage killing, the Aurora case, the VA Tech shooter, Jared Loughner (shooter of congresswoman Giffords) and the Northern Illinois Univ. shooter. There is a discernible pattern here, it's definitely actionable, IF the appropriate resources are committed.

Rampage Killer Commonalities:

One of the obvious, discernible traits of the shooters: mildly or very mentally ill, detached from reality.
Two: Anti-social behavior. Few, if any, long term relationships.
Three: On prescription medications (anti-depressants and/or other legal/illegal drugs) and allowed to purchase guns.
Four: A personal emotional event/upheaval which starts a downward spiral; with weapons/ammo being purchased during the spiral.
Five: The shooters are in their 20's-30's age wise.
Six: The venues chosen by the shooters are mostly public places with numerous people
sitting/standing in close proximity to one another. The shooters plan carefully for and intend a maximum number of deaths.
Seven: The shooters bring multiple deadly weapons and numerous rounds/clips of ammunition; again, the intent is maximum number of deaths.
Eight: The shooters are using credit cards to purchase their weapons and ammo. I think some of us remember the scene in M. Moore's Bowling for Columbine.
Nine: The shooters are spending time on/posting on anti social/anti government/tin foil hat websites.
Ten: Almost all rampage murderers are male, many are caucasian.
Eleven: Currently or ex Military.
(#Eleven should have been included in the first diary.)

The fact our considerable resources/technology are not committed to stopping the carnage is weak and unacceptable. We're floundering morally as a nation/people.

Oak Creek, WI Sikh Temple shooting (Date of shooting: 8/5/2012, Number of deaths: 6 [Not including Page, shot dead by police] Nine total people shot, including the President of the Temple. Venue: Sikh Meditation Temple with members present. Age of shooter: 40).

The six victims of Sunday's attack were identified by police as five men -- Sita Singh, 41; Ranjit Singh, 49; Satwant Singh Kaleka, 65; Prakash Singh, 39, and Suveg Singh, 84 -- and one woman, 41-year-old Paramjit Kaur.
This rampage killing is particularly disgusting. The Sikhs are peaceful, God seeking people who are trying to make the world a better place. They are known for their  devotion to spirituality, kindness and hospitality. They are known for helping people in dire straights. They are Americans.

While details are obv forthcoming regarding the shooter, the markers I describe above are already evident with Mr. Page:

He appears to have been a loner; not many long lasting personal relationships. His neigghbors have stated he would not make eye contact with them. anti social, anti-government behavior exhibited in his song writing and membership in two "skinhead" "white power" bands. he is a caucasian male.

He frequented white supremicist websites and posted there. Length of time he's been at this? The SPLC has been tracking him for a decade.

At age 40, he's older than the other rampage killers mentioned here, but still young enough to be in the range/stats described below, near the end of the diary.

Weapon used:

Wisconsin shooter Wade Michael Page used a Springfield 9mm semiautomatic handgun during the attack on a Sikh temple. The gun had been purchased legally at a gun shop in the Milwaukee area. Before moving to Wisconsin, Page had been issued five separate gun purchase permits in North Carolina after passing a background check in May 2008. Semiautomatic handguns are frequently used by mass shooters. It turns out that suspected shooter James Holmes in Aurora, Colo., Jared Loughner in Tucson, Ariz., and Seung-Hui Cho at Virginia Tech all used similar semiautomatic handguns with high-capacity magazines. One gun expert said, “There is no valid reason for civilians to have assault rifles, semiautomatic handguns, and high-capacity magazines.”
The semi-automatic handgun, whether Glock or not, appears to be the weapon of choice of rampage killers.

Mr. P's meds:

Not enough info available yet to know whether he was using legal/illegal drugs.

NPR is again reporting this morning (8/7/2012) that the Southern Poverty Law Center has been tracking Page's white supremicist behavior for a decade. I'm going to look into this, to determine what tracking means in this case. I suspect they are monitoring various neo-Nazi, white supremicist websites.

Northern Illinois Univ shooting (Date of shooting: 2/14/2008, Number of deaths: 6 [including Kazmierczak, who committed suicide] 22 total people shot. Venue: Univ. Lecture Hall wiith class in session. Around 120 students in the lecture hall. Age of shooter: 27).

We were told that Steven Kazmierczak, who killed five students and then himself at NIU one year ago, was a sweet, unassuming, overachieving grad student who inexplicably snapped. He was not.
Steven Kazmierczak wanted infamy. He wanted video game-style bloodshed. And perhaps most of all, he wanted to punish Northern Illinois University, the "surrogate family" that had kept his demons at bay but that he felt ultimately abandoned him.

In the 18 months leading up to his lecture hall massacre, Kazmierczak's mother died, he lost his job as a corrections officer and he became angry because he believed NIU had de-emphasized his graduate program, leading him to transfer to another university, according to a 300-page report released by the university Thursday.

A newly released psychological profile contained in the report suggests that everything about the attack signified something in Kazmierczak's troubled mind: the location, the date, the victims.

The report offers the most detailed account to date of Kazmierczak's troubled life, including repeated suicide attempts that required hospitalization, unresolved conflicts with his parents stemming from their decision to institutionalize him and interest in satanic rituals.

The 27-page profile of Kazmierczak, written by an independent psychologist hired by NIU for about $10,000, states that the shooter had been diagnosed as a teenager with schizoaffective disorder, a disabling mental illness characterized by a combination of schizophrenia and a mood disorder such as manic-depression.

 The profile suggests he increased the difficulty of his shooting spree as if it were one of his beloved video games. When he had emptied the shotgun and walked down into the audience with his handguns, he fired at only those who ran or ducked. Those who sat frozen in their seats, the easiest targets, were ignored.

 Kazmierczak, 27, made it difficult for investigators to identify a motive. He didn't leave a suicide note. The hard drive of his computer has never been found. He tossed out his cell phone's memory card.

Steven Kazmierczak entered a large auditorium-style lecture hall in Cole Hall (Auditorium 101) with approximately 120 students, where an oceanography class was in session. Kazmierczak was wearing dark brown boots with laces, jeans, a black t-shirt with the word "Terrorist" written across the chest imposed over an image of an assault rifle; a coat; a black knit hat; and a black utility belt with two magazine holsters, a holster for a handgun, three handguns (a 9mm Glock 19, a 9mm Kurz Sig Sauer P232, and a .380 Hi-Point CF380), eight loaded magazines, and a knife. He also carried in a 12 gauge Remington Sportsman 48 shotgun concealed in a guitar case. Once he donned the weapons, he approached the auditorium. Kazmierczak entered the auditorium from the vestibule, using a door at the extreme southwest corner of the room, which led directly to the stage in front of the classroom; it was there he stood and fired into the crowd of students. He opened the door with such extreme force that many witnesses described him as "kicking the door in".
Sound familar? What other rampage killers used Glocks? and why are they so popular with them? (Video game connection?)

Mr. K's meds: (numerous)

ABC News reports that his behavior seemed to become more erratic in the weeks leading up to the shooting, and that it is believed he stopped taking medication beforehand.His girlfriend, Jessica Baty, confirmed that Kazmierczak was taking Xanax (anti-anxiety), Ambien (sleep aid), and Prozac (antidepressant), all of which were prescribed to him by a psychiatrist. She said that he stopped taking Prozac about three weeks prior to the February 14 shooting.
OK, anyone who knows anything regarding anti-depressant meds knows you don't quit them cold turkey. your doctor/psychiatrist has to approve and monitor you for weeks, and you are weaned off the meds over time.

And there's no mystery any longer regarding the rather large problem with Prozac.

Tucson, AZ shooting (Date of shooting: January 8, 2011, Number of deaths: 6, including nine year old Christina-Taylor Green and Chief U.S. District Court Judge John Roll. Dem. Congresswoman Gabby Giffords severely injured, her congressional career ruined. 20 total people shot. Venue: Shopping mall; exterior area. Age of shooter: 22).

Folks, let's face it: Mr. Loughner is a mess, and there were numerous RED flags prior to his meltdown. He's obviously out there in Tin Foil Hat territory. Why was this very disturbed person allowed to purchase guns and ammo?

Glock again:

Loughner allegedly purchased the 9mm Glock pistol used in the shooting from a Sportsman's Warehouse in Tucson on November 30, 2010.[24] The night before the shooting, he left a message on a friend's voicemail saying, "Hey man, it's Jared. Me and you had good times. Peace out. Later."[20] In a MySpace post the morning of the shooting at 4:12 am, he wrote,

Goodbye friends. Please don't be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven't talked to one person who is literate. I want to make it out alive. The longest war in the history of the United States. Goodbye. I'm saddened with the current currency and job employment. I had a bully at school. Thank you. P.S. --plead the fifth![60]

Photos on the MySpace page showed a close-up picture of a handgun sitting atop a document titled "United States History."

OK, just looking at the above, and again, forget the psychoanalysis for now: WHAT is he babbling about? Why on earth should we allow this guy to purchase deadly weapons? Is there much coherence here? Is he merely a "regular" hunter/sport shooter?
Other evidence seized from his home included an envelope from a safe with messages such as "I planned ahead," "My assassination" and the name "Giffords" next to what appears to be Loughner's signature. Police say he purchased the Glock pistol used in the attack in November.
"I planned ahead". Here we have the perfect foil for those proclaiming "Gee, we just can't stop these guys, we don't what they are doing". It's well known Loughner was all over tin foil hat websites-- where he exhibited behavior and made statements so utterly bizzare that even people in the one UFO site he frequented tagged him as a lunatic.

This is not trackable? This can't be surveilled and raise BIG red flags? Sorry, I don't buy it.

Drug use: again significant.

Zach Osler, a high school classmate of Loughner's, and his closest friend, indicated that Loughner's life began to unravel after his high school girlfriend broke up with him, and he then began to abuse alcohol and drugs, specifically Salvia divinorum (a natural hallucinogen illegal in some states). Another longtime friend, Kylie Smith, added that he had used cannabis (marijuana), psychedelic mushrooms, and LSD around that same time.[19] Loughner quit using marijuana (as well as alcohol and tobacco) in late 2008 and has not used it since, according to one of his longtime friends.[20] The U.S. Army confirmed that Loughner had been rejected as "unqualified" for service in 2008.[21][22][23] According to military sources, Loughner admitted to marijuana use on numerous occasions during the application process.
Regarding Salvia:
Salvia Divinorum is a drug, legal in some states, and is a hallucinogen. Though proponents of the herb that is either smoked, chewed, inhaled, or its juice drunk believe salvia is safe, the National Institute on Drug Abuse NIDA says otherwise.

The NIDA says about Salvia, “People who abuse salvia generally experience hallucinations or “psychotomimetic” episodes (a transient experience that mimics a psychosis).

NO red flags here?

Virginia Tech shooting, Blacksburg, VA (Date of shooting: April 16, 2007. Number of deaths: 32, with 49 total people shot in two incidents on Campus. Shooter Seung-Hui Cho committed suicide after second attack. Venue: West Ambler Johnston Hall, Norris Hall; school was in session during attacks. Age of shooter: 23).

Cho, a senior English major at Virginia Tech, had previously been diagnosed with a severe anxiety disorder. During much of his middle school and high school years, he received therapy and special education support. After graduating from high school, Cho enrolled at Virginia Tech. Because of federal privacy laws, Virginia Tech was unaware of Cho's previous diagnosis or the accommodations he had been granted at school. In 2005, Cho was accused of stalking two female students. After an investigation, a Virginia special justice declared Cho mentally ill and ordered him to attend treatment.[4] Lucinda Roy, a professor and former chairwoman of the English department, had also asked Cho to seek counseling.[5] Cho's mother also turned to her church for help.
Thus far I've looked at only three mass murders in the U.S.; each shooter is mentally ill and is being allowed to purchase deadly weapons. Even if the HIPPA laws were not in place, why would I believe admissions officials at any university would stop this guy from attending their college? He's a paying customer, right?

IMHO, Mr. Cho should not have been allowed to attend university. He clearly had deep psychological/social problems and was on a very short fuse. Anything could have set him off. He was a threat to the life safety of the general public.

The massacre prompted the state of Virginia to close legal loopholes that had previously allowed Cho, an individual adjudicated as mentally unsound, to purchase handguns without detection by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). It also led to passage of the first major federal gun control measure in more than 13 years. The law strengthening the NICS was signed by President George W. Bush on January 5, 2008.
You mean it is in fact possible/legal to slow down/stop the purchase of deadly weapons by mentallu ill persons?

Can I just ask: Does any "political leader" in the United States know the meaning of the word "proactive"?

Approximately 10–12 minutes after the second attack began, Cho shot himself in the head.[37] He died in Jocelyne Couture-Nowak's Intermediate French class, room 211. During this second assault, he had fired at least 174 rounds,[21] killing 30 people and wounding 17 more.[1][37] All of the victims were shot at least three times each; of the 30 killed, 28 were shot in the head.[38][39] During the investigation, State Police Superintendent William Flaherty told a state panel that police found 203 live rounds in Norris Hall. "He was well prepared to continue...," Flaherty testified.[40]

During the two attacks, Cho killed five faculty members and 27 students before committing suicide.[41] The Virginia Tech Review Panel reported that Cho's gunshots wounded 17 other people; six more were injured when they jumped from second-story windows to escape.[1] Sydney J. Vail, the director of the trauma center at Carilion Roanoke Memorial Hospital, said that Cho's choice of 9 mm hollow point ammunition increased the severity of the injuries.[42] Conversely, due to the limited penetration depth of hollow point bullets, it is likely that Colman would have died had they not been used.

To our hunter friends: Is hollow point ammo used for hunting?

Glock again:

Cho used two firearms during the attacks: a .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic handgun and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 handgun.[12] The shootings occurred in separate incidents, with the first at West Ambler Johnston Hall, during which Cho killed two pupils, and the second at Norris Hall, where the other 31 deaths, including that of Cho himself, as well as all the nonlethal injuries, occurred.
Indeed, it was his intellectual failure that may have driven him to kill. Mr. Cho’s ambition to become a “great writer” was stamped out during college by the negative reactions of professors and students, and also by rejection of a book proposal he wrote.

“These rejections were devastating to him and he fantasized about getting revenge,” Mr. Depue wrote.

A second component of his anger may have stemmed from the economic inequality that became painfully apparent to him at Virginia Tech. While his college bills were paid by his hard-working blue-collar parents, “he was constantly aware of his classmates taking from their affluent parents and squandering their money on luxuries and alcohol.”

With his failure at writing and his disgust at the “haves” combining to motivate him, the remaining question surrounds the timing: why Mr. Cho acted when he did.

“Graduation was only weeks away, but for Cho it was not an occasion for joy,” Mr. Depue said. “Rather it was a time of fear and dread.”

I'm not finding anything regarding use of drugs, legal/illegal by Mr. Cho. Regardless, clearly he was profoundly mentally ill and exhibited anti social behavior, stalking behavior, etc. prior to his meltdown.

Finally: The Joker.

Aurora, CO shooting (Date of shooting: July 20, 2012. Number of deaths: 12, with 70 total people shot, including a thee month old infant. Venue: Century 16 Movie Theater complex; screening midnight premier of The Dark Knight Rises movie. Age of shooter: 25).

Glock handgun again:

On May 22, 2012, Holmes purchased his first weapon, a .40-caliber Glock pistol, at a Gander Mountain shop in Aurora, and six days later a Remington Model 870 shotgun at a Bass Pro Shops in Denver. On June 7, just hours after failing his oral exam at the university,[29] he purchased a Smith & Wesson M&P15 semi-automatic rifle, with a second .40-caliber Glock pistol following on July 6. All the weapons were bought legally. In the four months prior to the shooting, Holmes also bought 3000 rounds of ammunition for the pistols, 3000 rounds for the M&P15, and 350 shells for the shotgun over the internet.On July 2, he placed an order for a Blackhawk Urban Assault Vest, two magazine holders and a knife at an online retailer.
On June 25, less than a month before the shooting, Holmes emailed an application to join a gun club in Byers, Colorado. The owner, Glenn Rotkovich, called him several times throughout the following days to invite him to a mandatory orientation, but could only reach his answering machine. Due to the nature of Holmes' voice mail, which he described as "bizarre, freaky", "guttural, spoken with a deep voice, incoherent and rambling" Rotkovich instructed his staff to inform him if Holmes should show up, though Holmes neither made his appearance at the gun range, nor called back.[45] “In hindsight, looking back -- and if I’d seen the movies -- maybe I’d say it was like the Joker -- I would have gotten the Joker out of it,” Rotkovich said. “It was like somebody was trying to be as weird as possible,” he said.
Trying to be as weird as possible. WTF??
The gunman threw a canister emitting a gas or smoke, partially obscuring the audience members' vision, making their throats and skin itch, and causing eye irritation.[9] He then fired a 12-gauge Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun, first at the ceiling and then at the audience. He also fired a Smith & Wesson M&P15 semi-automatic rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, which malfunctioned after reportedly firing fewer than 30 rounds. Finally, he fired a .40-caliber Glock 22 handgun.He shot first to the back of the room, and then toward people in the aisles. Some bullets passed through the wall and hit people in the adjacent theater 8, which was screening the same movie. Witnesses said the multiplex's fire alarm system began sounding soon after the attack began and staff told people in theater 8 to evacuate. One witness said that she was hesitant to leave because someone yelled that there was someone shooting in the lobby and that they shouldn't leave.
Drug use:
Holmes' defense attorneys claim he was a "psychiatric patient" of the medical director of Anschutz's Student Mental Health Services prior to the Aurora shooting; however, the prosecution disagrees with that claim. Four days after the release of the defense attorney's motion, the judge required this information to be blacked out.
There doesn't seem to be any details regarding drug use (legal/illegal) by Holmes. Obviously Holmes is disturbed. He should not have been allowed to purchase guns, ammo, tear gas canisters, etc.
James Eagan Holmes — suspected in the Aurora movie-theater attack — was seeing a University of Colorado psychiatrist to whom he allegedly mailed a notebook before the July 20 massacre, court documents reveal.

Friday's disclosure came in the wake of two days of news stories about the contents of the notebook, which several news outlets reported contained details of Holmes' alleged murderous plan. Those reports were based on unnamed law enforcement sources.

Just like I don't buy into the CNN-hyped baloney regarding Holmes the "master bomb maker", I'm not concerned with this notebook.

We don't need the notebook to know Holmes planned his performance for four months, and had 50 packages with various ammo, gear, etc., delivered to his home and workplace. did he make any of these purchases with cash? or was everything purchase using his credit card?

Also, I'm reading Holmes received a $26K stipend (from the University?). I'd like to know how much of this was used to purchase guns/ammo/gear.

The United States cannot push back a debate about gun control after the mass shooting in Colorado, according to Colin Goddard, who was shot four times during the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre.

“We just upped the ante for the worst mass shooting in our country’s history, and now is not the time to talk about solutions?” he said on Democracy Now. “It is beyond time to talk about solutions. This conversation should have happened before this shooting in the first place. It is insane when you hear this from people who say they want to put distance between it. This is when people are outraged. This is when people realize that this could happen to them. I mean, everyone goes to movies. Everybody tries to make opening night.”

How do rampage killers like Holmes and the others described above compare to overall statistics:
Only 17.6% of mass killers are between the ages of 18 and 24 years old. Mass murderers do make up a larger share among the population at large in the 18 to 24 and 25- to 34-year-old demographic, but the plurality, 35.8% of rampage killers, are actually 35- to 49-year-olds. This percentage is well above the 20.5% of the entire population that is 35-49 years-old. Few mass murderers are above the age of 50.

Overall, the median age for rampage killers is 33 years old compared to the 27 years old median for all murders, which are both lower than the median age United States population of 37.

I would like to see the stats on this since year 2000.

Operative sentence:
"Mass murderers do make up a larger share among the population at large in the 18 to 24 and 25- to 34-year-old demographic..."

Conclusions/Next Steps:

1. Congress must again ban assault weapons/military style assault weapons, and the sales of large capacity magazines to civilians. Ban these sales at shops and at the gun shows.

2. Universities must be allowed to know the mental health status of student applicants. If universities are going to allow attendance by mentally ill studetnts, the students must be monitored closely. Most universities already have staff who do this sort of work.

3. Congress must create a, if you will, "rampage killer unit" within the FBI, DHS, or other appropriate security agency.

4. Let's dispense with the nonsense "we can't surveil everyone". Wrong, it's already being done. Please read Jame Bamford, etc. The TIA program never really went away.

5. Point the surveillance lens at the "right" people to preempt rampage killings, using the obvious markers any of us can look at and see are there. The perps in the five cases I looked at are buying more or less the exact same handgun. this is not a trend, not a marker? That's just one marker.

Yes, this will be somewhat difficult, but the notion it is impossible is total nonsense.

One more thing regarding Glock handguns:

But the handgun he used, the Glock Pistol, has proved the weapon of choice for spree killers across the world.

Norwegian far-Right extremist Anders Behring Breivik used a Glock 17 to kill most of the 67 people he shot dead during his massacre on the island of Utoya a year ago this Sunday.

Sweden's Peter Mangs, the man accused of being behind to more than a dozen shootings of immigrants in the city of Malmo, owned a Glock 19.

Germany's Robert Steinhäuser, who killed 17 people in the 2001 Erfurt massacre, used a Glock 17.

In the US, the weapon crops up still more frequently.

The truly tragic aspect of the Aurora disaster is the perp planned for four months; red flags and warning signs everywhere. Four months.

The notion Holmes' guns/ammo/body armor purchases were "normal". Normal for who? yes, possibly for a person who was already a gun owner, tho' I have to question the full body armor (why is this available to civilians?) the tear gas grenades, the drum magazine, and the gunpowder used in the devices he set up in his apartment.

Sorry, this is not normal behavior for a young college student with a promising future ahead of him.

Regarding the Big Brother hysteria.. that horse left the barn long ago. My position is if more determined surveillance can save the life of ONE Christina Taylor-Green, it's well worth it.

Thank you for reading.

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  •  Tip Jar (8+ / 0-)

    "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 12:42:20 PM PDT

  •  SPLC Info: (2+ / 0-)
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    Superpole, lyvwyr101

    Only quibble I have with them is their author on Pagan hate groups paints with too broad a brush...most Pagans aren't racist asshats, only a few in the Nordic branches are, and not all of them are, either.

    As I said, I heard the local NPR station broadcast the shooting in 2008, and the day care worker at my church was trampled in that classroom. We can, we must, do better. Ammo control, gun access control, mental health support, believing the DHS about RW hate groups, all must work together to stop this shit from happening again. I don't want more dead students in my community, more dead members of my parents' church
    from right-wing lies, more "oh, this is such a tragedy" handwringing without action, damn it.

    Stand up and fight back. Keep this from happening in the first place.

    •  RIGHT ON (2+ / 0-)
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      allergywoman, lyvwyr101

      allergywoman. thank you for your input!

      we have to put wayyyyy more pressure on congress to get off their asses on this... and it's just too bad if it's not "politically convenient" for democrats to do what needs to be done

      "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

      by Superpole on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 01:23:31 PM PDT

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    •  Not going to happen. (0+ / 0-)

      Ammo control or gun access control.  But we can definitely do more where it concerns tracking and treating people suffering from mental disorders, keeping tabs on hate groups, and keeping citizens aware of proscribed persons.

  •  The link for this diary needs to travel! (1+ / 0-)
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    This is a great Diary---comprehensive----thorough----and a calm and reasoned approach to this nightmare.

    It's easier to get killed in this country than it is to vote---- for God's sake: how sad.

    What happened---here?

    A country this big----this powerful---this wealthy----and we cannnot control public shooting massacres?


    How high does the bodycount have to be?

    "If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns."--Cheryl Wheeler

    by lyvwyr101 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 01:34:57 PM PDT

    •  Correct, and let's be clear (1+ / 0-)
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      what other nations put up with this?

      Japan? they have like 6 murders per year there.

      Australia? Great Britain?

      who? who can match us on the pathetic bodycount?

      "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

      by Superpole on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 02:03:12 PM PDT

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      •  Why are Americans putting up with this? (1+ / 0-)
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        Somebody yells, "Second Amendment rights" and we  piss our pants!


        ..............too bad if it's not "politically convenient" for democrats to do what needs to be done.
        It had better become "politically convenient."

        Literally----lives hang in the balance.

        We're not asking for a miracle---here----all we're asking for is what they supposedly do best.:


        How can our legislators even look people in the eye in this country?

        A huge---powerful country like this and we cannot control public shooting massacres?

        Ludicrous-----and shameful.

        "If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns."--Cheryl Wheeler

        by lyvwyr101 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 02:56:57 PM PDT

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        •  They think they're NOT putting up with it... (2+ / 0-)
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          by thinking that more people like them with more guns can prevent gun massacres from happening if only they had been able to be at the perfect place at the perfect time to stop the shooter with a perfectly placed shot from their perfectly aimed gun from their perfect situation awareness and their perfect training.

          I understand wanting to serve, I understanding wanting to be a hero. What I don't understand is wanting to be and thinking they can be a superhero. But, they're more afraid of government than random wackaloons hell bent on homicide.

          -We need Healthcare Reform... but i'm selfish, I Need Healthcare reform-

          by JPax on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 04:16:52 PM PDT

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          •  Agreed-totally. (0+ / 0-)

            Great point-

            ..............thinking that more people like them with more guns can prevent gun massacres from happening if only they had been able to be at the perfect place at the perfect time to stop the shooter with a perfectly placed shot from their perfectly aimed gun from their perfect situation awareness and their perfect training.
            This is fantasy-thinking----but being shot and killed is not a fantasy for the victims.

            Dead is dead----and dead is forever.

            "If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns."--Cheryl Wheeler

            by lyvwyr101 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 08:55:03 AM PDT

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  •  NO Death Penalty for Loughner? (1+ / 0-)
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    I disagree.

    you can't get away with murdering a federal judge, nearly murdering a congresswoman, and the murder of the others, including nine year old Christina Green.

    this is wrong.

    Jared Lee Loughner pleaded guilty Tuesday to going on a shooting rampage at a political gathering, killing six people and wounding 13 others, including his intended target, then-Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.

    Loughner's plea spares him the death penalty and came soon after a federal judge found that months of forcibly medicating him to treat his schizophrenia had made the 23-year-old college dropout competent.

    At one point, Judge Larry A. Burns asked Loughner if he understood the charges against him and what the government would need to convict him.

    "Yes, I understand," Loughner replied.

    The judge said that Loughner was a different person and that he is able to help his lawyers in his defense. Burns said that observing Loughner in the court left "no question that he understands what's happening today."

    "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 02:07:29 PM PDT

    •  The counter-argument is that the death penalty (0+ / 0-)

      applied with certainty, while acting as a deterrent for some people, may cause other assailants to be even more violent because they are certain that they will die if caught. If we spare wackaloons, then people who think they're not wackaloony may assume they would be eligible for the death penalty and act accordingly. (Such as taking their own life, or shooting it out to the bitter end, and while we may not morally care if they kill themselves, we might learn something about the psychology and physiology from keeping them alive.)

      Instead of using excuses for not executing a murder because of mitigating circumstances, we should make them ALL flip a coin or draw straws or roll a die. That way no one, no matter what motivation, knows for sure that they will face execution or not. Those who don't get execution can face life in jail or other punishments we might contrive. (I have several ideas for changing the penal system.)

      -We need Healthcare Reform... but i'm selfish, I Need Healthcare reform-

      by JPax on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 04:25:27 PM PDT

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      •  Wackaloon? Really? (0+ / 0-)

        Until people with a serious mental illness are treated as someone with a medical illness and not someone who is "bad" and therefore justified in being called derogatory terms such as "wackaloons", maybe we will start helping them, instead of killing them.

  •  We love guns & killing too much (2+ / 0-)
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    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 02:34:21 PM PDT

  •  A lot of these rampage killings (1+ / 0-)
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    have certain things in common-

    Interesting article.

    "If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns."--Cheryl Wheeler

    by lyvwyr101 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 03:18:56 PM PDT

  •  I don't necessarily agree or disagree with some of (0+ / 0-)

    your prescriptions, but I think that something along those lines might be achievable will still protecting patient rights and allowing ownership of weapons. It all depends on implementation, which is lacking and the lack of which allows for speculation that allows people to disagree with strawmen they create. So, you may want to flesh out your ideas.

     I'm working on coming up with some specific ideas, so I may post a diary about that too.

    BTW, a formatting suggestion: you may want to bold the conclusions section to make it stand out, in case someone wants to skip over the individual case histories and get to the point of your diary. Maybe use a horizontal rule too (HTML code: <hr>).

    -We need Healthcare Reform... but i'm selfish, I Need Healthcare reform-

    by JPax on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 04:34:10 PM PDT

  •  Here's a community (0+ / 0-)

    that is addressing this issue--

    "If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns."--Cheryl Wheeler

    by lyvwyr101 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 06:42:21 PM PDT

  •  Be nice if the Brady Bunch actually helped out. (0+ / 0-)

    You know, while the rest of the country was working on reducing violence over the past two decades.

  •  Mental Illness and Colleges (0+ / 0-)

    Regarding your idea that colleges should know the mental health status of all of it's students, symptoms of serious mental illnesses such as schizophrenia commonly manifest during college, so there may be no diagnosis at the time of admission.  People who have the susceptibility for a mental illness can develop symptoms from stress, or from other factors such as trauma, pot (especially the new stuff), PCP, or other factors.

    Also, please realize that people with serious mental illness are just as UNLIKELY to commit violence as anyone else,  unless they are untreated. Yes, James Holmes was in treatment, but we do not know the extent or if he was compliant.  Even then, people with untreated mental illness or who are treated but are still symptomatic (hallucinations, delusion) are more likely to be victims of violence, not perpetrators of violence.  

    I do think that colleges should have better protocols to help students who are obviously having problems, as James Holmes was.  There are a lot of things that could be done in a more supportive manner, rather than just "monitoring" them closely.  Perhaps early on, he could have gotten peer support - there are great peer run support groups. Perhaps he could have gotten more than just 50 minutes on the couch. I am not sure what else was done to try and help him.  

    Finally, due to HIPPA laws,  often family members are not given information that could help their sons and daughters in school.  

    Please learn more about the problems with the mental health system itself.

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